QuoteHasids who beat gay black man try to dodge service in 'diverse' neighborhood
By Emily Saul August 9, 2016 | 1:48pm | Updated
Two Shomrim thugs who copped a cushy plea deal to dodge jail for beating a gay black man are now refusing to even do their community service — because it would be in a "culturally diverse neighborhood.''
Pinchas Braver, 22, and Abraham Winkler, 42, admitted to helping to beat fashion student Taj Patterson as he walked down a Williamsburg street in December 2013.
Taj Patterson was beaten by a group of Hasidic men in Williamsburg.
Patterson was pummeled so badly, he suffered a broken orbital socket and torn retina, leaving him permanently blind in one eye.
Braver, Winkler and a third man — all members of the Orthodox Jewish watchdog patrol group — were charged with gang hate crime, which can carry a prison sentence of up to 25 years.
Braver and Winkler agreed to plead guilty to unlawful imprisonment in exchange for three years' probation, paying $1,400 in restitution and performing 150 hours of community service in a "culturally diverse neighborhood.''
But the men are now trying to shirk their obligations under the deal.
They went to court in Brooklyn Tuesday saying they want to volunteer only at Chai Lifeline, an organization for sick Jewish children.
Prosecutors asked that the men's sentencing be delayed to give them time to evaluate Chai, which describes itself as an organization dedicated to offering "a number of services for Jewish children with life-threatening illness."
The parties are set to return to court next Tuesday.
Though five defendants were originally charged in the beating, the charges against two of them — Aharon Hollender and Joseph Fried — were dropped in 2014 and 2015. The remaining defendant, Mayer Heskovic, has opted to head to trial. He will return to court on Aug. 23.
The group was accused of attacking Patterson, then 22, as he was leaving a party at about 5 a.m. They ordered him to his knees and started screaming anti-gay slurs before stomping and kicking him.
Patterson filed a lawsuit against the city and the NYPD in June, claiming that the Shomrim have been given "favorable and preferential treatment" for years.
He alleges in the court papers that the investigation into his assault was flubbed after high-powered Shomrim members placed calls to the 90th Precinct.
Braver was even given a tour of the 19th Precinct after his attack on Patterson. The precinct was run at the time by now-disgraced ex-NYPD Deputy Chief James Grant, who has since been indicted on charges of conspiracy, bribery and fraud for allegedly accepting payola from Jewish businessmen.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/09/hasidic-hate-crime-attackers-trying-to-finagle-better-plea-deal/
Fuck it. Let's end Abrahamic religions altogether. They just can't fucking learn to play well with others.
"Thugs"? Racist.
QuoteFuck it. Let's end Abrahamic religions altogether. They just can't fucking learn to play well with others.
And how do you propose to achieve this objective? :hmm:
Anyway I think it is a bit different when there are nations executing people for being gay and a few random people in New York doing something.
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:03:08 PM
QuoteFuck it. Let's end Abrahamic religions altogether. They just can't fucking learn to play well with others.
And how do you propose to achieve this objective? :hmm:
Anyway I think it is a bit different when there are nations executing people for being gay and a few random people in New York doing something.
If they can assault gays there...
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:03:08 PM
QuoteFuck it. Let's end Abrahamic religions altogether. They just can't fucking learn to play well with others.
And how do you propose to achieve this objective? :hmm:
Anyway I think it is a bit different when there are nations executing people for being gay and a few random people in New York doing something.
I don't know. I am not proposing physical elimination, of course. But I do think Abrahamic religions are cancer. They stole a bunch of good ideas from Babylonians and Egyptians and completely distorted it. Time to call it quits and start something new.
No shit, ultra-Orthodox Jews are not that much different from other religious fanatics. The religion may be different, but the mindset is pretty much the same. They are also very effective in wielding their political power in a cohesive fashion, so they can brazenly get away with anything short of murder just by pressuring the politicians to back off.
I was under the impression you were Jewish Marty.
Quote from: Martinus on August 17, 2016, 04:05:52 PM
But I do think Abrahamic religions are cancer. They stole a bunch of good ideas from Babylonians and Egyptians and completely distorted it. Time to call it quits and start something new.
Nah I'm good. Besides I am not sure the Egyptian and Babylonians had perfect societies we really need to be returning to. I prefer our current distorted one.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 17, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
I was under the impression you were Jewish Marty.
Not sure if serious. :yeahright:
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 17, 2016, 04:05:52 PM
But I do think Abrahamic religions are cancer. They stole a bunch of good ideas from Babylonians and Egyptians and completely distorted it. Time to call it quits and start something new.
Nah I'm good. Besides I am not sure the Egyptian and Babylonians had perfect societies we really need to be returning to. I prefer our current distorted one.
Oh come on, you know I like Unitarians. But that has as much to do with fire-and-brimstone Christianity as the cult of Akhenaten had with the old style Egyptian pantheon. You guys are just much more enlightened than most other Christians.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 17, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
I was under the impression you were Jewish Marty.
:huh: He tips his boyfriends.
:lol:
I have no idea why I thought that. :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 17, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
I was under the impression you were Jewish Marty.
he's a pollack...they killed all the Jews there.
Think Marti had an Jewish boyfriend for a while :)
Perhaps he made that all about him and you got confused. But no, that doesn't sound like Marti at all :P
I still do. Sixth anniversary this summer. :P
Although admittedly his Jewishness is more of an affectation.
Quote from: Martinus on August 17, 2016, 04:21:50 PM
Sixth anniversary this summer. :P
Congrats! :cheers:
All Abrahamics faiths are deeply flawed and malevolent at their core. The only redeeming feature of Ultra-orthodox Jews is that (for the most part) they keep to themselves.
Quote from: The Brain on August 17, 2016, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 17, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
I was under the impression you were Jewish Marty.
:huh: He tips his boyfriends.
That's probably underplaying it.
Quote from: Martinus on August 17, 2016, 04:11:03 PM
But that has as much to do with fire-and-brimstone Christianity as the cult of Akhenaten had with the old style Egyptian pantheon. You guys are just much more enlightened than most other Christians.
If the implication is that the cult of Akhenaten was more "enlightened" than traditional Egyptian religion it is a mistaken premise.
Quote from: garbon on August 17, 2016, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 17, 2016, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 17, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
I was under the impression you were Jewish Marty.
:huh: He tips his boyfriends.
That's probably underplaying it.
This is how an "assist" is scored in professional sports, kids.
Is anyone surprised by Marty's reaction?
Quote from: Razgovory on August 17, 2016, 07:01:39 PM
Is anyone surprised by Marty's reaction?
Don't be mean
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Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 17, 2016, 04:05:52 PM
But I do think Abrahamic religions are cancer. They stole a bunch of good ideas from Babylonians and Egyptians and completely distorted it. Time to call it quits and start something new.
Nah I'm good. Besides I am not sure the Egyptian and Babylonians had perfect societies we really need to be returning to. I prefer our current distorted one.
well, the Egyptians were certainly ahead of their time. People already had walls were they could post cat pictures back then...
Quote from: viper37 on August 17, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 17, 2016, 04:05:52 PM
But I do think Abrahamic religions are cancer. They stole a bunch of good ideas from Babylonians and Egyptians and completely distorted it. Time to call it quits and start something new.
Nah I'm good. Besides I am not sure the Egyptian and Babylonians had perfect societies we really need to be returning to. I prefer our current distorted one.
well, the Egyptians were certainly ahead of their time. People already had walls were they could post cat pictures back then...
:lol:
Quote from: viper37 on August 17, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 17, 2016, 04:05:52 PM
But I do think Abrahamic religions are cancer. They stole a bunch of good ideas from Babylonians and Egyptians and completely distorted it. Time to call it quits and start something new.
Nah I'm good. Besides I am not sure the Egyptian and Babylonians had perfect societies we really need to be returning to. I prefer our current distorted one.
well, the Egyptians were certainly ahead of their time. People already had walls were they could post cat pictures back then...
Ok that's funny. :D
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:03:08 PM
QuoteFuck it. Let's end Abrahamic religions altogether. They just can't fucking learn to play well with others.
And how do you propose to achieve this objective? :hmm:
Education and improved quality of life helps.
Quote from: Tyr on August 18, 2016, 02:13:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 17, 2016, 04:03:08 PM
QuoteFuck it. Let's end Abrahamic religions altogether. They just can't fucking learn to play well with others.
And how do you propose to achieve this objective? :hmm:
Education and improved quality of life helps.
I used to think so but don't anymore - people need spirituality in their life and that need is not negated by fulfilling their other needs. Rather, it helps to foster alternative spiritual systems and proposals that are not based in Abrahamic* religions.
*I guess some sort of wishy-washy Jesus-y feely-goody stuff like Unitarianism could work, but nothing that involves the Old Testament or Qu'ran (at least read literally).
In terms of Islam very little of the objectionable stuff is in the Quran. The overwhelming majority of it is in the hadiths.
Quote from: Martinus on August 18, 2016, 03:15:45 AM
*I guess some sort of wishy-washy Jesus-y feely-goody stuff like Unitarianism could work
The Truth(tm) always works -_-
:P
Quote from: viper37 on August 17, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
well, the Egyptians were certainly ahead of their time. People already had walls were they could post cat pictures back then...
:lol:
Man what amazing visionaries.
WTF is an "Abrahamic" religion?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 18, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
WTF is an "Abrahamic" religion?
You know, the religions born from the promises of the Abrahamic covenant, when Abraham promised one son he would free the slaves and the other son thought he meant states' rights. Shit ain't been right since.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 18, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
WTF is an "Abrahamic" religion?
Ones that were created by the international Jewish conspiracy.
Quote from: Martinus on August 18, 2016, 03:15:45 AM
I used to think so but don't anymore - people need spirituality in their life and that need is not negated by fulfilling their other needs. Rather, it helps to foster alternative spiritual systems and proposals that are not based in Abrahamic* religions.
*I guess some sort of wishy-washy Jesus-y feely-goody stuff like Unitarianism could work, but nothing that involves the Old Testament or Qu'ran (at least read literally).
Some people do give in to new agey stuff but in the UK at least plenty get by without religion being an issue in their lives.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 18, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
WTF is an "Abrahamic" religion?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=abrahamic+religions
Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2016, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 18, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
WTF is an "Abrahamic" religion?
Ones that were created by the international Jewish conspiracy.
It's a fucking well known term. Surprised Minsky is ignorant of it.
Is it a well known fucking term?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 18, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
WTF is an "Abrahamic" religion?
There's a lot of who begat whom and some ziggurats.
So no actual answer from Martinus.
At least CDM came through.