https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
It's meant to be pared with solar panels. Solar panels charge the battery, which then gets discharged at night when the panels aren't working.
This combined with some energy efficiency work can make your house basically an electrical island. It is going to be my project next house I buy :cool:
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
No, you modify the regulation has needed by social & technological changes.
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2016, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
It's meant to be pared with solar panels. Solar panels charge the battery, which then gets discharged at night when the panels aren't working.
ah, I see. Well, 3000$ for the battery, 3000$ for the solar panel, and I can get just enough power for my tv and audio system.
Still a tad pricey. Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.
It's good that it can store energy, but I wonder how it would fare in winter over here, how much of a charge I can get from the solar panel during non sunny days and if it could provide for heating during the night.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
No, you modify the regulation has needed by social & technological changes.
Like they did with Uber? :)
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
Still a tad pricey. Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.
It will not take that long. Things are moving along pretty quickly now. But note: solar resources might not be just great in Quebec. Large banks of these batteries might be great for supporting wind resources though. I know Texas is working on that.
Go full nuclear.
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2016, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
It's meant to be pared with solar panels. Solar panels charge the battery, which then gets discharged at night when the panels aren't working.
ah, I see. Well, 3000$ for the battery, 3000$ for the solar panel, and I can get just enough power for my tv and audio system.
Still a tad pricey. Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.
It's good that it can store energy, but I wonder how it would fare in winter over here, how much of a charge I can get from the solar panel during non sunny days.
I wonder what the costs savings would be over the life of the battery and what the costs are regarding maintaining/repairing the solar panels.
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
Still a tad pricey. Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.
It will not take that long. Things are moving along pretty quickly now. But note: solar resources might not be just great in Quebec. Large banks of these batteries might be great for supporting wind resources though. I know Texas is working on that.
the problem with Quebec is that the only thing we have en masse, and even that is changing, is snow. And water.
Most locations in "mainstream" Quebec aren't suitable for wind parks, there is not enough strong winds (and not often enough, mostly) along the St-Lawrence valley, except when your reach the Gaspé peninsula to sustain that. Basically, we can put such wind farms in eastern quebec, south&north of the river and higher up north. In places where there isn't much people.
I could see it replacing diesel generators for isolated communites though. It's an interesting technology.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 04, 2016, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2016, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
It's meant to be pared with solar panels. Solar panels charge the battery, which then gets discharged at night when the panels aren't working.
ah, I see. Well, 3000$ for the battery, 3000$ for the solar panel, and I can get just enough power for my tv and audio system.
Still a tad pricey. Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.
It's good that it can store energy, but I wonder how it would fare in winter over here, how much of a charge I can get from the solar panel during non sunny days.
I wonder what the costs savings would be over the life of the battery and what the costs are regarding maintaining/repairing the solar panels.
If I use my last bill as a sample:
First 30kwh/day are priced at at 0,0568$. Above that, 0,086$.
Ponderated average for 2 winter months: 0.0628$ per kwh for 2231 kwh.
A battery produces 10kwh for 3500$. I'm guessing it's a daily production of electricy (am I right Valmy?).
I would save 62.8 cents per day, for my billing period that means 37$.
Let's assume, for simplicity's sake that I consume 50% less energy during the summer months, and let's make it 6months of summer and 6 months of winter. That makes roughly 166$/year in economy.
If we forget time cost of money ( crime for any self respecting finance student), it takes 36 years to recuperate my investment.
The price of these things need to go down and the cost of electricity must rise.
EDIT: after some fact checking, solar panels would cost less than 1000$ for a 60w kitt. I have no idea how that translate into real world appliances, i.e. what I can power. Also, I have not taken into account any installation costs, nor the life expectancy of the panels.
Do you need to produce wind resources actually in Quebec? It is not like electrons cannot move quickly from one region to another, though I know Quebec has its own grid.
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
No, you modify the regulation has needed by social & technological changes.
Like they did with Uber? :)
Uber needs to die in a nuclear fire.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2016, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
No, you modify the regulation has needed by social & technological changes.
Like they did with Uber? :)
Uber needs to die in a nuclear fire.
no longer an option.
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 03:25:02 PM
EDIT: after some fact checking, solar panels would cost less than 1000$ for a 60w kitt. I have no idea how that translate into real world appliances, i.e. what I can power. Also, I have not taken into account any installation costs, nor the life expectancy of the panels.
A lightbulb or two? Some other stuff. Nothing crazy though. http://www.sunnyray.org/60-watt-solar-panel.htm
60 watt is nothing, but that looks awfully expensive compared to most solar panels I have seen (I haven't seen that many). What does the kit include, exactly? :hmm:
Biological warfare defense is standard on all kits.
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
This combined with some energy efficiency work can make your house basically an electrical island. It is going to be my project next house I buy :cool:
This is DC power, though. Don't you need a separate DC power distribution system? Sounds very expensive for not much benefit.
Quote from: grumbler on May 04, 2016, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
This combined with some energy efficiency work can make your house basically an electrical island. It is going to be my project next house I buy :cool:
This is DC power, though. Don't you need a separate DC power distribution system? Sounds very expensive for not much benefit.
Nah you just need an inverter. No big deal.
Doesn't look meaningful to people living in apartments.
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 08:27:13 PM
Nah you just need an inverter. No big deal.
Looking it up, inverters seem to be much more efficient than when I was dealing with them. Objection withdrawn.
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
Still a tad pricey. Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.
It will not take that long. Things are moving along pretty quickly now. But note: solar resources might not be just great in Quebec. Large banks of these batteries might be great for supporting wind resources though. I know Texas is working on that.
the problem with Quebec is that the only thing we have en masse, and even that is changing, is snow. And water.
Most locations in "mainstream" Quebec aren't suitable for wind parks, there is not enough strong winds (and not often enough, mostly) along the St-Lawrence valley, except when your reach the Gaspé peninsula to sustain that. Basically, we can put such wind farms in eastern quebec, south&north of the river and higher up north. In places where there isn't much people.
I could see it replacing diesel generators for isolated communites though. It's an interesting technology.
The other thing Quebec has is lots and lots of hydro-electric. IIRC you have some of the cheapest power in Canada, and all greenhouse gas free.
I'd be concerned about battery "memory" and lifespan.
Has Tesla made any money yet?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 02:33:29 AM
Has Tesla made any money yet?
They do have a sizeable margin on each car they sell when you just look at operating costs. They don't make anywhere near enough to finance their R&D and expansion from their sales though. They will need to raise capital later in the year.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 05, 2016, 02:28:34 AM
I'd be concerned about battery "memory" and lifespan.
Battery memory effect does not exist in Lithium batteries.
Quote from: Zanza on May 05, 2016, 03:01:34 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 05, 2016, 02:28:34 AM
I'd be concerned about battery "memory" and lifespan.
Battery memory effect does not exist in Lithium batteries.
I thought the effect was small but non-negligible :hmm:
Batteries still lose capacity over time, but it's not due to the memory effect that was observed with nickel-cadmium batteries.
If you want to keep your lithium based batteries good, you should never fully decharge (and less importantly charge) them but always keep them between say 20% and 80% capacity.
Quote from: Zanza on May 05, 2016, 04:30:10 AM
Batteries still lose capacity over time, but it's not due to the memory effect that was observed with nickel-cadmium batteries.
If you want to keep your lithium based batteries good, you should never fully decharge (and less importantly charge) them but always keep them between say 20% and 80% capacity.
I can keep them from going to below 20%. Usually. There is no way I can keep them below 80%. I am not going to watch batteries being recharged and disconnect them at 80%. I simply won't do that. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 02:33:29 AM
Has Tesla made any money yet?
Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.
Quote from: grumbler on May 04, 2016, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 08:27:13 PM
Nah you just need an inverter. No big deal.
Looking it up, inverters seem to be much more efficient than when I was dealing with them. Objection withdrawn.
Yep. Technology has come a long way recently.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2016, 06:12:14 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 02:33:29 AM
Has Tesla made any money yet?
Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.
Revenues are not profits Timmy.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2016, 06:12:14 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 02:33:29 AM
Has Tesla made any money yet?
Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.
Revenues are not profits Timmy.
Hey, he can only excel at one thing (English) at a time!
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 03:26:58 PM
Do you need to produce wind resources actually in Quebec? It is not like electrons cannot move quickly from one region to another, though I know Quebec has its own grid.
Importing electricity would likely cost more and remove any control we have on the prices.
Geographically speaking, I guess any coastal are could do, as well as Hudson Bay (Churchill, Manitoba, northern Ontario, northern Quebec) and Great lakes area (Thunderbay). US could be a possibility too, with Maine and Massachussets. But since they are actually importing electricity from us, I doubt it's a viable option.
Quote from: celedhring on May 04, 2016, 04:54:30 PM
60 watt is nothing, but that looks awfully expensive compared to most solar panels I have seen (I haven't seen that many). What does the kit include, exactly? :hmm:
I checked very quickly at Canadian Tire, a retail store, they showed a kit for the solar panel and some other kit for "universal installation", I added both. It's not like I've done extensive research accross multiple jurisdictions under multiple hypothesis ;)
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 04, 2016, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
Still a tad pricey. Interesting concept, but I don't see myself getting something like that until a decade or more.
It will not take that long. Things are moving along pretty quickly now. But note: solar resources might not be just great in Quebec. Large banks of these batteries might be great for supporting wind resources though. I know Texas is working on that.
the problem with Quebec is that the only thing we have en masse, and even that is changing, is snow. And water.
Most locations in "mainstream" Quebec aren't suitable for wind parks, there is not enough strong winds (and not often enough, mostly) along the St-Lawrence valley, except when your reach the Gaspé peninsula to sustain that. Basically, we can put such wind farms in eastern quebec, south&north of the river and higher up north. In places where there isn't much people.
I could see it replacing diesel generators for isolated communites though. It's an interesting technology.
The other thing Quebec has is lots and lots of hydro-electric. IIRC you have some of the cheapest power in Canada, and all greenhouse gas free.
The greens are against harnessing river power. The Quebec government has decided to invest in wind power, at an higher cost than we sell electricity to our neighbours and not so neighbours.
Since they tried using wind power as the main source of power, it costs more than if it was used intelligently, to supplement hydro-power, to reduce the size of the required damns.
But that's what happens when you listen to the hard left.
Quote from: Monoriu on May 05, 2016, 04:43:44 AM
I can keep them from going to below 20%. Usually. There is no way I can keep them below 80%. I am not going to watch batteries being recharged and disconnect them at 80%. I simply won't do that. :P
however, it should be fairly easy to have battery charger that will just do that for you. Start the charge at 20%, stop it at 80%. I'm sure it can be done.
For all their barking about being concerned about global warming the leftists sure work hard to keep coal plants pumping out the CO2. The constant refrain that nobody should ever make hard choices and it is either purity or nothing makes leftists horrible allies as a group.
Quote from: viper37 on May 05, 2016, 02:36:16 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on May 05, 2016, 04:43:44 AM
I can keep them from going to below 20%. Usually. There is no way I can keep them below 80%. I am not going to watch batteries being recharged and disconnect them at 80%. I simply won't do that. :P
however, it should be fairly easy to have battery charger that will do just that for your. Start the charge at 20%, stop it at 80%. I'm sure it can be done.
Especially with something like a big battery bank for your home.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2016, 06:12:14 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 02:33:29 AM
Has Tesla made any money yet?
Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.
Revenues are not profits Timmy.
No, but you usually do not generate profits without sales. Having no ideas of their costs structure, it's impossible for me to tell if it's enough or too little, but it's a start. And I do think they make more than 2% gross profit per car sale.
Based on their past operating expenses 10 Billion should put them in the black pretty decisively. But they tend to keep expanding their operations as revenue increases.
Quote from: Valmy on May 05, 2016, 02:36:45 PM
For all their barking about being concerned about global warming the leftists sure work hard to keep coal plants pumping out the CO2. The constant refrain that nobody should ever make hard choices and it is either purity or nothing makes leftists horrible allies as a group.
That's what I've been arguing for years. Other parties I've voted for too, and they were ridiculed. We have lots of hydro power, more than any other provinces except maybe BC, and we can also generate wind up north, to supplement our hydro power.
Other provinces and US states often rely on coal to produce their electricity. If we produce more and build the power lines, jointly, we can convince them to shut down these plants and reduce CO2 emissions. As it is now, the choice for these states&provinces is nuclear or coal. Easy to figure why they go for coal power.
Thank God for cheap, delicious fracked natural gas. :mmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 02:52:28 PM
Thank God for cheap, delicious fracked natural gas. :mmm:
Fracking is absolutely essential in the short term. Solar and wind and other technologies are on their way but if you are serious about global warming you need to support fracking...at least for awhile as distasteful as that might be for some. Yet Bernie Sanders wants to ban it nation wide.
Nuclear!!!
Quote from: Valmy on May 05, 2016, 02:40:53 PM
Based on their past operating expenses 10 Billion should put them in the black pretty decisively. But they tend to keep expanding their operations as revenue increases.
Not sure how indicative past operating expenses are. They want to make a different product for the mass market now and mass market cars tend to have much lower margins than high-end cars. The only company that can consistently pull off good profits from mass market cars is Toyota. Which is generally seen as the best manufacturer in the world. Musk made the claim that he wants to become the best manufacturer in the world. Other car companies have tried to emulate Toyota for decades, but couldn't quite pull it off. Let's see if he can do it.
Another issue that Tesla apparently already faces with the Model X is supplier quality and supply chain management. To ramp up your production from like 60k annual production to 500k production within two years not just stresses your own logistics and manufacturing processes, but also makes a very professional supplier capacity management necessary. Let's see if they can do that. All the other auto companies have a lot of problems with supply chain management.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2016, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 04, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy (https://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy)
Looks interesting, with a 3000 (7kwh)-3500$US (10kwh) entry point for the batteries. In a few years, it could be affordable enough for middle class homes.
Don't quite get how it's working though. You plug it in a wall, sure, but for the recharge part, you just bring it outside?
It's gonna be nice for Quebec were every home owner will need an energy producer license to operate these device. Now, maybe people will understand the cost of too much regulations. Or likely not.
No, you modify the regulation has needed by social & technological changes.
Like they did with Uber? :)
Taxis need to die in a nuclear fire.
Fixed. ;)
Anyway this thing might make solar panels worth buying again. I think one of the biggest solar companies that got wrecked by NVEnergy's Buffet regulation change is owned by Elon.
IMO nuclear is still a better option, if done right.
In a future, when batteries, solar and wind get more efficient, and you combine those with good old hydro/nuke/coal/whatever the power company in your area uses...
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 05, 2016, 04:49:10 PM
IMO nuclear is still a better option, if done right.
See? Ethnics agree with me.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2016, 06:12:14 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 02:33:29 AM
Has Tesla made any money yet?
Just took $300 million in down payments for 300,000 cars. The orders are worth more than 10 billion dollars.
Revenues are not profits Timmy.
They rack up orders like that and they'll get enough investment to cover expenses until they make a profit. Amazon didn't make a profit for like ten years and they got plenty of investment because they were selling more and more stuff every year.
Do you think any of that stuff is an answer to my question?
Elon Musk is still a fag.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2016, 09:51:41 PM
Do you think any of that stuff is an answer to my question?
I think it's patently obvious that my answer was no and it doesn't matter.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 05, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
Anyway this thing might make solar panels worth buying again. I think one of the biggest solar companies that got wrecked by NVEnergy's Buffet regulation change is owned by Elon.
just read about a new solar panel that is 40% more efficient than what we have today in producing energy. Basically, it uses the heat generated by the copper to heat water and use the hot water to heat a house. They've made some tests at -35C and it's working, now they're testing in Arizona to see how well it works in extreme heat.
Quote from: viper37 on May 06, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 05, 2016, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 05, 2016, 03:47:02 PM
Nuclear!!!
Fukushima ended that in the US.
I thought it stopped way before?
There was movement, due to the global warming business, to get it started again.
Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2016, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 06, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 05, 2016, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 05, 2016, 03:47:02 PM
Nuclear!!!
Fukushima ended that in the US.
I thought it stopped way before?
There was movement, due to the global warming business, to get it started again.
the problem with nuclear is that it is so much more expensive than the alternatives, at least in moderate-sized production. Virginia power still plans to build lake Anna 3, but it will be four times as expensive, per kWh over the next thirty years, than the equivalent wind farm off the VaCapes.