It may be a sign of me growing old, but when someone asked this question recently, I could not name any. I am looking here for the likes of Marylin Manson, Kurt Cobain or Mick Jagger in their respective heyday and not pop startlets like Miley Cyrus, of course. Who fulfils that role for today's youths?
Christian rock bands.
I was asking myself the same thing and couldn't come up with any.
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Was Mick Jagger ever that counter-culture?
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Marilyn Manson was counter-culture too? I went to a couple of concerts in my 20s and I was as rebellious as Barnes & Noble's best seller stand.
Over here there's a sizable underground scene, from RATM wannabes to weird metal shit. Nothing musically breath thaking, but fits the bill.
Pop is now all. :cool:
Today's culture is moving too fast to become entrenched long enough to spawn or even warrant counter-cultural elements.
Like g says, now it's pretty much all pop, all the time.
Also, there's little barriers for musicians to reach their audiences nowadays so you don't really have the same "music they don't want you to listen to" aura. At least in the west.
Quote from: celedhring on April 23, 2016, 08:50:53 AM
Also, there's little barriers for musicians to reach their audiences nowadays so you don't really have the same "music they don't want you to listen to" aura. At least in the west.
Yeah, I think that is exactly it. Access to music is easy and immediate. There is no such thing as hunting down an alternative band's album. People can listen to whatever they want on demand.
I didn't know that music that wasn't readily accessible was defined as counter-culture.
Many traditional pillars / mores of society have also greatly weakened since the 60's (a process which has accelerated in the internet age), making it more difficult to define The Man against whom to rail, except perhaps economic elites.
So I guess bands that opt out of the "whole corporate mainstream sell-out thing, man," though such bands are a dime a dozen... and most are probably actually only there because they haven't made their splash yet. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2016, 10:29:52 AM
I didn't know that music that wasn't readily accessible was defined as counter-culture.
Its not. Its more the way the dominant culture is defined. You need that before you can define its counter. Those concepts don't make much sense anymore.
Think back, way back into the mists of time, when you could buy a record by Huey Lewis and the News anywhere but you had to go to a specialty record place to get anything that was House.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2016, 10:29:52 AM
I didn't know that music that wasn't readily accessible was defined as counter-culture.
Yeah, what CdM said - I disagree with your view on this guys. Kobain and Jager also sold a lot of records, it was more about representing some sort of rebellion from the mainstream. Right now it does not seem to exist.
In fact I am not sure how much Peter Wiggin was joking, but "Christian rock bands" is probably closer to the answer on this question than the likes of Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 23, 2016, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2016, 10:29:52 AM
I didn't know that music that wasn't readily accessible was defined as counter-culture.
Its not. Its more the way the dominant culture is defined. You need that before you can define its counter. Those concepts don't make much sense anymore.
Think back, way back into the mists of time, when you could buy a record by Huey Lewis and the News anywhere but you had to go to a specialty record place to get anything that was House.
The dominant culture right now is something along the lines of leftist progressive PC culture.
What does Milo think on this?
:lol:
Quote from: Martinus on April 23, 2016, 06:14:48 AM
It may be a sign of me growing old, but when someone asked this question recently, I could not name any. I am looking here for the likes of Marylin Manson, Kurt Cobain or Mick Jagger in their respective heyday and not pop startlets like Miley Cyrus, of course. Who fulfils that role for today's youths?
There isn't any counter culture because the Left won the cultural war long ago, becoming the establishment and censuring everything with political correctness, and in the cultural field there is not rebellion, outside of writing, because conservatives do not get culture, nor do they invest their time in it.
Liberal people by nature drift towards culture. Conservatives drift toward other sectors of the economy.
The thing is culture and education are the single most powerful forces shaping society.
Who the hell is Milo?
Quote from: Siege on April 26, 2016, 03:19:12 PM
Who the hell is Milo?
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They're way behind the times in Poland.
Quote from: Siege on April 26, 2016, 03:19:12 PM
Who the hell is Milo?
A Greek island where women don't have arms.
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Quote from: Martinus on April 23, 2016, 06:14:48 AM
It may be a sign of me growing old, but when someone asked this question recently, I could not name any. I am looking here for the likes of Marylin Manson, Kurt Cobain or Mick Jagger in their respective heyday and not pop startlets like Miley Cyrus, of course. Who fulfils that role for today's youths?
There isn't any counter culture because the Left won the cultural war long ago, becoming the establishment and censuring everything with political correctness, and in the cultural field there is not rebellion, outside of writing, because conservatives do not get culture, nor do they invest their time in it.
Liberal people by nature drift towards culture. Conservatives drift toward other sectors of the economy.
The thing is culture and education are the single most powerful forces shaping society.
See, you get him started. Now he doesn't know what he's talking about and God knows, nobody else does.