Rhode Island and Providence Plantations ---> Rhode Island
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/us/30rename.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/us/30rename.html)
QuoteDefenders of the name say that the word "plantation" did not have a negative connotation when Rhode Island was founded in 1636
True, I heard that the Irish plantations were universally loved.
Good. It is about time America takes steps to right the wrongs of the past.
Quote from: Jaron on June 30, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
Good. It is about time America takes steps to right the wrongs of the past.
We can retro-abort you?
White guilt :x
"Rhode Island and Providence Plantations" - that is quite a lengthy official state name. Time for a change, perhaps. The state wants to drop the "Providence Plantations" part, but how about "Narragansett", named after the huge bay there. Yeah, I like that. :cool:
What? No way the old states tend to have cooler names I demand they stay that way.
They should drop the Rhode Island part instead, it makes them look like retards.
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2009, 08:06:57 AM
They should drop the Rhode Island part instead, it makes them look like retards.
:yes: Rhodes is in the AEGEAN, morons. :mad:
Next on the list: Lynchburg.
Absolutely not! :mad:
"Rhodesia" could be a good compromise :cool:
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2009, 01:03:31 AM
True, I heard that the Irish plantations were universally loved.
True but the New England plantations were symbols of religious freedom! And um...taking Indian land but then we can hardly whitewash that now can we?
Not really religious freedom as such. More a matter of getting to have your own go at being a bastard to members of different sects :D
Quote from: Caliga on June 30, 2009, 08:57:21 AM
Raciss. :)
As far as I know mostly white people worked on the New England Plantations unless what I know of Plymouth Plantation is alot different than what I am told. Heck Rhode Island outlawed slaver in 1652 for fucksake, so Rhode Island guilt over slavery is ridiculously stupid from a historical point of view. There never was slavery there that I know of.
It was called Providence Plantation because...well...it was an agricultural settlement. People need to grow a brain.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 30, 2009, 09:00:49 AM
Not really religious freedom as such. More a matter of getting to have your own go at being a bastard to members of different sects :D
True :P
But not in Rhode Island they were founded on a ridiculously liberal, for the time, charter and were a refuge for persecuted religious groups.
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2009, 09:03:28 AM
Quote from: Caliga on June 30, 2009, 08:57:21 AM
Raciss. :)
As far as I know mostly white people worked on the New England Plantations unless what I know of Plymouth Plantation is alot different than what I am told. Heck Rhode Island outlawed slaver in 1652 for fucksake, so Rhode Island guilt over slavery is ridiculously stupid from a historical point of view. There never was slavery there that I know of.
That law was ignored from the late 1680s onward and RI was a big player in the slave trade.
http://www.projo.com/extra/2006/slavery/day1/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 09:12:04 AM
That law was ignored from the late 1680s onward and RI was a big player in the slave trade.
http://www.projo.com/extra/2006/slavery/day1/
Whoops. Well I can still love Roger Williams even if I now despise Rhode Island and everything it stands for.
But still Roger Williams named it 'Providence Plantations' intending it to NOT have slaves. I demand his memory be respected!
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2009, 09:03:28 AM
As far as I know mostly white people worked on the New England Plantations unless what I know of Plymouth Plantation is alot different than what I am told. Heck Rhode Island outlawed slaver in 1652 for fucksake, so Rhode Island guilt over slavery is ridiculously stupid from a historical point of view. There never was slavery there that I know of.
It was called Providence Plantation because...well...it was an agricultural settlement. People need to grow a brain.
Dude, I know that... but Al Sharpton doesn't, which is who I'm channeling whenever I post in Ebonics. :cool:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2009, 09:03:28 AM
Quote from: Caliga on June 30, 2009, 08:57:21 AM
Raciss. :)
As far as I know mostly white people worked on the New England Plantations unless what I know of Plymouth Plantation is alot different than what I am told. Heck Rhode Island outlawed slaver in 1652 for fucksake, so Rhode Island guilt over slavery is ridiculously stupid from a historical point of view. There never was slavery there that I know of.
That law was ignored from the late 1680s onward and RI was a big player in the slave trade.
http://www.projo.com/extra/2006/slavery/day1/
Dewolf's grave site as pictured gets extra marks for ultra creepiness. Looks like the set for a movie about hauntings. :D
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2009, 09:03:28 AM
Quote from: Caliga on June 30, 2009, 08:57:21 AM
Raciss. :)
As far as I know mostly white people worked on the New England Plantations unless what I know of Plymouth Plantation is alot different than what I am told. Heck Rhode Island outlawed slaver in 1652 for fucksake, so Rhode Island guilt over slavery is ridiculously stupid from a historical point of view. There never was slavery there that I know of.
It was called Providence Plantation because...well...it was an agricultural settlement. People need to grow a brain.
Slavery was illegal in England from time immemorial.
Didn't really stop them.
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2009, 08:06:57 AM
They should drop the Rhode Island part instead, it makes them look like retards.
Why?
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2009, 09:52:37 AM
Slavery was illegal in England from time immemorial.
Didn't really stop them.
I guess I missed the huge influx of chattel Slavery into England.
I am talking about the colonies here. I think the rule always was you couldn't bring your slaves with you to Blighty.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2009, 08:06:57 AM
They should drop the Rhode Island part instead, it makes them look like retards.
Why?
Its not an island, Rhode island is just a tiny part of it; a part I was unaware even existed until I looked up why it had such a name.
QuoteI guess I missed the huge influx of chattel Slavery into England.
I am talking about the colonies here. I think the rule always was you couldn't bring your slaves with you to Blighty.
Some did have slaves in Britain still, it took a court case from one of them to confirm this was illegal.
But more the point is the English still profited enourmously out of slavery despite it being illegal at home.
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2009, 12:59:04 PM
Its not an island, Rhode island is just a tiny part of it; a part I was unaware even existed until I looked up why it had such a name.
:lol:
Dude, THAT'S WHY it is "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations".
Rhode Island = Rhode (Aquidneck) Island
Providence Plantations = mainland
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2009, 12:59:04 PM
Some did have slaves in Britain still, it took a court case from one of them to confirm this was illegal.
But more the point is the English still profited enourmously out of slavery despite it being illegal at home.
So did Rhode Island (though it seems I was wrong about there never being slaves in Rhode Island itself).
But still you are not going to change the name of a place in England because it has a name similar to things that used to be worked by slaves in a different location out of slave guilt right?
If we had to rename every place in America with a name that came about because of a whim, mistake, misunderstanding or misinterpretation we'd have to rename at least half the damn country.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 01:47:53 PM
If we had to rename every place in America with a name that came about because of a whim, mistake, misunderstanding or misinterpretation we'd have to rename at least half the damn country.
I want Kentucky renamed back to its original name, Transylvania. :menace:
Quote from: Caliga on June 30, 2009, 01:48:27 PM
I want Kentucky renamed back to its original name, Transylvania. :menace:
You want Kentucky to be fought over by Romanians and Hungarians?
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2009, 01:49:14 PM
You want Kentucky to be fought over by Romanians and Hungarians?
That'd be nice, now that you mention it. They might leave behind: booty :perv:
Rhode Island, 1045 sq. miles of pure awesomeness.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.visitrhodeisland.com%2Fimages%2Fimg_state_map_lg.jpg&hash=aee4ae2d273754340a0953e1df534e3229d5227e)
The other RI is less third-worldish.
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2009, 03:22:31 PM
The other RI is less third-worldish.
:yeahright: How so?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2009, 03:22:31 PM
The other RI is less third-worldish.
:yeahright: How so?
Providence is the gay capital of the east coast. Third world places aren't generally decadent enough to achieve something like that. :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 30, 2009, 05:07:45 PM
Providence is the gay capital of the east coast.
It is? :huh:
He said gay, not homosexual.
This is pathetically niggardly, trying to save money on stationary ink :ultra:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 30, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Yep. So I've been led to believe.
It's the gay summer resort of New England.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
It's the gay summer resort of New England.
I'd rather go to Provincetown if I were looking to hangout with gays.
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2009, 06:54:26 PM
I'd rather go to Provincetown if I were looking to hangout with gays.
I read it wrong, meant Provincetown. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
I read it wrong, meant Provincetown. :Embarrass:
Yeah when MiM first said Providence, I started thinking he really meant Provincetown.
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
I read it wrong, meant Provincetown. :Embarrass:
Yeah when MiM first said Providence, I started thinking he really meant Provincetown.
Indeed. Providence is the greaseball and scumbag capital of the East Coast. Well, except for Boston.
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
I read it wrong, meant Provincetown. :Embarrass:
Yeah when MiM first said Providence, I started thinking he really meant Provincetown.
Indeed. Providence is the greaseball and scumbag capital of the East Coast. Well, except for Boston.
Quite. I got them mixed up. Point conceded: Rhode Island is in the third world.
Anyway, taking the Providence part out of the name is a bit like calling the entire UK "Northern Ireland", isn't it?
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
I read it wrong, meant Provincetown. :Embarrass:
Yeah when MiM first said Providence, I started thinking he really meant Provincetown.
Indeed. Providence is the greaseball and scumbag capital of the East Coast. Well, except for Boston.
If by greaseball you mean Italian I gotta object, Rhode Island is by far the most Italian state in the nation.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
I read it wrong, meant Provincetown. :Embarrass:
Yeah when MiM first said Providence, I started thinking he really meant Provincetown.
Indeed. Providence is the greaseball and scumbag capital of the East Coast. Well, except for Boston.
If by greaseball you mean Italian I gotta object, Rhode Island is by far the most Italian state in the nation.
But when you add in the scumbags, Boston wins out.
Seemed I exaggerated when I sad by far, we just edge out Connecticut.
Both Boston and Providence are lovely, that is all.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 30, 2009, 08:35:11 PM
Quite. I got them mixed up. Point conceded: Rhode Island is in the third world.
At any rate, I'd assign Manhattan to be gay capital of the east. Provincetown is a village.
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2009, 11:48:47 PM
Both Boston and Providence are lovely, that is all.
:hug:
Quote from: Caliga on June 30, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2009, 12:59:04 PM
Its not an island, Rhode island is just a tiny part of it; a part I was unaware even existed until I looked up why it had such a name.
:lol:
Dude, THAT'S WHY it is "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations".
Rhode Island = Rhode (Aquidneck) Island
Providence Plantations = mainland
Exactly.
That's why dropping the second part of the name is stupid :contract:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
Seemed I exaggerated when I sad by far, we just edge out Connecticut.
I would assume you only just edge out New Jersey as well. Seems like more than half of the white people I know from Jersey have Eye-talian last names.
Quote from: Tyr on July 01, 2009, 06:01:40 AM
That's why dropping the second part of the name is stupid :contract:
:huh: I thought you were saying that it's stupid that the state is named "Rhode Island" (or rather generally known as that).
Quote from: Caliga on July 01, 2009, 06:51:14 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 01, 2009, 06:01:40 AM
That's why dropping the second part of the name is stupid :contract:
:huh: I thought you were saying that it's stupid that the state is named "Rhode Island" (or rather generally known as that).
It is a bit but the official name helps explain it. To change the official name to the common name though would just leave it totally daft.
It's like someone from Northern Ireland saying they're British. It makes no sense, they're from Ireland; until you see the country is called the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Quote from: Caliga on July 01, 2009, 06:49:52 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
Seemed I exaggerated when I sad by far, we just edge out Connecticut.
I would assume you only just edge out New Jersey as well. Seems like more than half of the white people I know from Jersey have Eye-talian last names.
New Jersey 17.9%, Connecticut 18.6%, Rhode Island 19%.
Much of Rhode Island has sea shore; lots of beaches. I think it's a rule there that everyone has to have a nice beach within a certain distance of their home. :)
Quote from: KRonn on July 01, 2009, 10:52:58 AM
Much of Rhode Island has sea shore; lots of beaches. I think it's a rule there that everyone has to have a nice beach within a certain distance of their home. :)
Of course we're talking about Northeast which is on the Atlantic. Nice beaches in that part of the world are rather impossible. :(
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