Post your favorite French Revolution black people here:
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Yes did you know the patriotic and brave General Thomas-Alexandre Dumas once beat the entire Austrian Army all by himself? True story.
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Enemies to the revolution shall quake when denounced by Jean-Baptiste Belley in la Convention nationale.
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And could injustice and oppression stand before the righteous fury of the great Vincent Ogé? The answer is: yes. Yes it could. RIP.
And Julien Raimond, who I cannot find a picture of, was a tireless campaigner for liberty and equality...which allows us to forgive his slave owning ways.
Of course you could discuss black people from other places and other eras...but why?
I love his pose and facial expression in that portrait. :D
The French shall shiver in fear at the sight of Jorge Biassou, leader of the victorious Haitian revolt and General of the Spanish Army during the war of the First Coalition.
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The man was a Bourbon stooge :angry:
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Toussaint L'Ouverture, ruler of Haiti until his defeat by Bonapartists.
A truly great man. Who knew the winningrighteous path -_-
Bonaparte fucked up, but he knew jack shit about international trade and colonial matters. His policies in those areas were always spectacularly bad.
My man Jorge and Toussaint were pals until they split and ended in opposing sides in the colonial front of the First Coalition war.
Then Spain switched sides, and sent my dude to Florida to bore himself marching a small negro detachment in Saint Augustine.
Quote from: celedhring on February 01, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
My man Jorge and Toussaint were pals until they split and ended in opposing sides in the colonial front of the First Coalition war.
Then Spain switched sides, and sent my dude to Florida to bore himself marching a small negro detachment in Saint Augustine.
Toussaint was smart and was following the news from Europe. When the French started winning he swapped. Also the full abolition of slavery as one of the last moves done by the Jacobin led Republic probably didn't hurt.
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:51:32 PM
A truly great man. Who knew the winningrighteous path -_-
Bonaparte fucked up, but he knew jack shit about international trade and colonial matters. His policies in those areas were always spectacularly bad.
To be fair, every European ruler's policies regarding international trade and colonial matters in this era were always spectacularly bad.
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 03:01:03 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 01, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
My man Jorge and Toussaint were pals until they split and ended in opposing sides in the colonial front of the First Coalition war.
Then Spain switched sides, and sent my dude to Florida to bore himself marching a small negro detachment in Saint Augustine.
Toussaint was smart and was following the news from Europe. When the French started winning he swapped. Also the full abolition of slavery as one of the last moves done by the Jacobin led Republic probably didn't hurt.
Yet he ended up hanged by them :P
Quote from: celedhring on February 02, 2016, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 03:01:03 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 01, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
My man Jorge and Toussaint were pals until they split and ended in opposing sides in the colonial front of the First Coalition war.
Then Spain switched sides, and sent my dude to Florida to bore himself marching a small negro detachment in Saint Augustine.
Toussaint was smart and was following the news from Europe. When the French started winning he swapped. Also the full abolition of slavery as one of the last moves done by the Jacobin led Republic probably didn't hurt.
Yet he ended up hanged by them :P
Well, imprisoned (to die miserably in jail), anyway. Not that this is an improvement. ;)
Quote from: grumbler on February 02, 2016, 08:26:54 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2016, 02:51:32 PM
A truly great man. Who knew the winningrighteous path -_-
Bonaparte fucked up, but he knew jack shit about international trade and colonial matters. His policies in those areas were always spectacularly bad.
To be fair, every European ruler's policies regarding international trade and colonial matters in this era were always spectacularly bad.
But when all of your other initiatives are such impressive successes (at least in the era we are talking about) your miserable failures stand out more.
I'll eat some fried chicken and watermelon.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=u__W0Qa8v0k
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 02, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
I'll eat some fried chicken and watermelon.
I find this very offensive.
Neither Haiti nor France grew significant amounts of Watermelon during the Revolution :angry:
Watermelon is healthier than eating pure sugar cane.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 02, 2016, 11:19:48 PM
Watermelon is healthier than eating pure sugar cane.
But less profitable -_-
Valmy, I am curious: what have been your sources on the history of Haiti?
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So brave :cry:
In a just world, he would have lingered but a short time longer with the French Military and suppressed the Algerian insurrection with Le Pen.
As it is, there is every reason to hope and believe his half-Vietnamese daughter will restore the House of her father over the good people of Central Africa and regenerate that troubled land.
We needed a Bokassa reference on Languish! :lmfao:
Thanks Lettow! :cheers:
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 04, 2016, 02:27:57 AM
Valmy, I am curious: what have been your sources on the history of Haiti?
I have read two books in my life about Haitian Revolution:
1. This children's book I had as a kid: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51rAh866h3L._SX375_BO1%2C204%2C203%2C200_.jpg&hash=6730cc5a1d13f67f64947d90b20edf0787f3113c)
2. The Black Jacobins
I have, of course, seen it covered numerous times in books about the French Revolution and Napoleon though.
Mike Duncan is covering it presently in his podcast: http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/
Do you have any recommendations?
BHM, :punk: time to celebrate at taco bell.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 05, 2016, 08:23:46 PM
BHM, :punk: time to celebrate at taco bell.
What does BHM have to do with tacky border food fast food joints? :hmm:
Maybe it's attached to a KFC.
Quote from: Valmy on February 05, 2016, 04:26:22 PM
I have read two books in my life about Haitian Revolution
I think it is awesome, on both counts. I did not know about the illustrated book. I will also check the podcast.
I was curious, because want to know what filtered out in the general public in the US about the Haitian Revolution. I teach a class on the French and Haitian Revolutions and was debating separating them into two different courses, and was wondering about the draw of the HR for students.
only people I can see being especially interested by haitian revolution are black students, for the most part. if there's a sizable black community on your campus, go for it. but otherwise, I don't think students would care much about HR to take a course on it. I'd keep it together, maybe have a section on it with direct comparisons to FR. also, a class or two on why the american revolution succeeded versus the FR would be worthwhile (americans kept the structure of their society; was more an external revolution than internal, while the FR was more internal, which led to impact on foreign relations).
Quote from: LaCroix on February 08, 2016, 12:45:55 AM(americans kept the structure of their society; was more an external revolution than internal, while the FR was more internal, which led to impact on foreign relations).
its a good thing a came across this, otherwise, I would never have known what is the right thing to say in the classes I teach at the college level.
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 08, 2016, 01:03:39 AMits a good thing a came across this, otherwise, I would never have known what is the right thing to say in the classes I teach at the college level.
with the quality of some college level courses, you can never be too sure :P
plus for anyone else reading the thread. for me, that was one of the more interesting things I learned from an undergrad history course
Those who can't legally operate guillotines, teach courses on the French Revolution.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 08, 2016, 01:44:07 AM
Those who can't legally operate guillotines, teach courses on the French Revolution.
Au Revoir, Felicia
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 07, 2016, 09:17:35 PM
I think it is awesome, on both counts. I did not know about the illustrated book. I will also check the podcast.
I was curious, because want to know what filtered out in the general public in the US about the Haitian Revolution. I teach a class on the French and Haitian Revolutions and was debating separating them into two different courses, and was wondering about the draw of the HR for students.
I think Americans would be fascinated by the Haitian revolution if they knew anything about it, which they generally don't. I think any course you would offer on just Haiti would have to follow from a more general course, else you'd have no takers.
On topic to the thread title (:P), I thought it was interesting how Beyonce embraced a more 'political' black stance with her new video/song.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/beyonce-formation-video_us_56b67a09e4b08069c7a789e6
QuoteBeyoncé Is Back And Unapologetically Black In New Music Video
It's official: Beyoncé is back, she's "got hot sauce in her bag" and she's as unapologetically black as ever.
Queen B surprised us all on Saturday by dropping "Formation," a new song and accompanying music video -- and, needless to say, both are incredible.
The song, which runs nearly five minutes and was released the night before the singer's scheduled Super Bowl performance, is fierce, funky and freaking phenomenal. But what separates the video from most of her other mainstream work is its messages relating to race, identity and black culture.
The video is filled with some pretty powerful imagery, including a sinking New Orleans police car, a young kid in a black hoodie dancing in front of a lineup of cops, and a wall painted with the words "Stop Shooting Us." Oh, and there's a glorious cameo from Beyoncé's daughter, Blue Ivy, who's rocking her natural hair.
Basically, the video is a representation of the best of #BlackGirlMagic, #BlackLivesMatter and #BlackPride.
The video quickly drew praise from singer Solange, Beyoncé's younger sister who has never been one to stay quiet about important issues of race
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How are you apologetically black?
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2016, 03:20:14 PM
How are you apologetically black?
Yeah let's not have this discussion in this thread.
QuoteOn topic to the thread title
This is not history it just happened :angry: :P
QuoteI thought it was interesting how Beyonce embraced a more 'political' black stance with her new video/song.
I think it is a natural thing as you get older and want to make more of a difference in the world.
Quote from: Valmy on February 08, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2016, 03:20:14 PM
How are you apologetically black?
Yeah let's not have this discussion in this thread.
Probably best to stay well away from that in general come to think of it. :P
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2016, 03:20:14 PM
How are you apologetically black?
Just saw this in a book when I searched it:
QuoteBlack people are not allowed it seems, under any circumstances, to ever have a human reaction to police error or harassment. Even in Post-racial America....You are not allowed to get mad. You are not allowed to vice your opinion...You are supposed to be apologetically black. Sorry for being an obvious target of racism. How are you be born this color and attract this negative attention? I'm so very sorry for being born black in America. How can I make this up to you, Mr. Officer?
Quote from: Valmy on February 08, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
This is not history it just happened :angry: :P
It draw on historical imagery. :P
Quote from: Valmy on February 08, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
I think it is a natural thing as you get older and want to make more of a difference in the world.
Maybe though I don't know if most people become more radical as they age. That said, makes sense that now where she is established in her career she can make more pointed political-social statements.
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 03:37:53 PM
QuoteBlack people are not allowed it seems, under any circumstances, to ever have a human reaction to police error or harassment. Even in Post-racial America....You are not allowed to get mad. You are not allowed to vice your opinion...You are supposed to be apologetically black. Sorry for being an obvious target of racism. How are you be born this color and attract this negative attention? I'm so very sorry for being born black in America. How can I make this up to you, Mr. Officer?
Not allowed? They seem to be pretty loudly outraged about it. Generally a lot of people seem think justifiably so. So by whom? People who do not like black people anyway? Do they speak for everybody? And are the opinions of racists supposed to be given enormous weight and consideration?
I mean we may quibble about tactics or actions by this group or that individual but that is different.
But it does reference 'officer' so perhaps this is related to a specific incident involving a protest and some police.
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 03:39:11 PM
Maybe though I don't know if most people become more radical as they age. That said, makes sense that now where she is established in her career she can make more pointed political-social statements.
I don't know if that is such a radical statement. It seem pretty topical. But granted maybe I should watch the video, maybe it does have some radical statements I do see her flipping me off there. :P
Why would you vice your opinion?
Quote from: Valmy on February 08, 2016, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 03:39:11 PM
Maybe though I don't know if most people become more radical as they age. That said, makes sense that now where she is established in her career she can make more pointed political-social statements.
I don't know if that is such a radical statement. It seem pretty topical. But granted maybe I should watch the video, maybe it does have some radical statements I do see her flipping me off there. :P
It isn't radical in the context of things people are saying at large, but in the context of Beyonce who has mostly spent her musical time waxing lyrically about trying to get on a man or break up with a man, it is quite a shift. After all it is a message that has a power to alienate some.
Quote from: Valmy on February 08, 2016, 03:43:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 03:37:53 PM
QuoteBlack people are not allowed it seems, under any circumstances, to ever have a human reaction to police error or harassment. Even in Post-racial America....You are not allowed to get mad. You are not allowed to vice your opinion...You are supposed to be apologetically black. Sorry for being an obvious target of racism. How are you be born this color and attract this negative attention? I'm so very sorry for being born black in America. How can I make this up to you, Mr. Officer?
Not allowed? They seem to be pretty loudly outraged about it. Generally a lot of people seem think justifiably so. So by whom? People who do not like black people anyway? Do they speak for everybody? And are the opinions of racists supposed to be given enormous weight and consideration?
I mean we may quibble about tactics or actions by this group or that individual but that is different.
But it does reference 'officer' so perhaps this is related to a specific incident involving a protest and some police.
I think you can include as part of this as covering the people who say that black people should be speaking calmly and rationally about the issues they have been facing for years and years as if being wellspoken ever got people to give a damn.
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2016, 03:20:14 PM
How are you apologetically black?
Just saw this in a book when I searched it:
QuoteBlack people are not allowed it seems, under any circumstances, to ever have a human reaction to police error or harassment. Even in Post-racial America....You are not allowed to get mad. You are not allowed to vice your opinion...You are supposed to be apologetically black. Sorry for being an obvious target of racism. How are you be born this color and attract this negative attention? I'm so very sorry for being born black in America. How can I make this up to you, Mr. Officer?
Except I think that's wonderful advice for people of any colour in dealing with misbehaving authority figures. Don't argue with the man holding a gun. There are ways to seek your redress later on.
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 05:31:22 PM
It isn't radical in the context of things people are saying at large, but in the context of Beyonce who has mostly spent her musical time waxing lyrically about trying to get on a man or break up with a man, it is quite a shift. After all it is a message that has a power to alienate some.
I read an article way back about some marginal figure named Martin Luther King Jr. who somewhat qualifies your otherwise excellent observation.
Quote from: Barrister on February 08, 2016, 05:38:23 PM
Except I think that's wonderful advice for people of any colour in dealing with misbehaving authority figures. Don't argue with the man holding a gun. There are ways to seek your redress later on.
Except that arguing with an officer - which is something I would suggest can happen, out of the sheer sense of injustice, when you know you are innocent of any wrongdoing - when you are white can send you to jail. Arguing with an officer when you are black can send you to the morgue.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 05:31:22 PM
It isn't radical in the context of things people are saying at large, but in the context of Beyonce who has mostly spent her musical time waxing lyrically about trying to get on a man or break up with a man, it is quite a shift. After all it is a message that has a power to alienate some.
I read an article way back about some marginal figure named Martin Luther King Jr. who somewhat qualifies your otherwise excellent observation.
You are absolutely right. Eloquent speech can get you some places but it doesn't always and it doesn't always get you were you need to be. America's most recent spate of paying attention to the plight of black people didn't stem from such.
I would also suggest that the Civil Rights era saw a lot of what was considered impolite and disruptive behavior. The mountains didn't move solely because of some speeches.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
I read an article way back about some marginal figure named Martin Luther King Jr. who somewhat qualifies your otherwise excellent observation.
Only because King was not operating in a vaccum. There were other figures who made King a more palatable interlocutory.
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 05:55:29 PM
You are absolutely right. Eloquent speech can get you some places but it doesn't always and it doesn't always get you were you need to be. America's most recent spate of paying attention to the plight of black people didn't stem from such.
America's most recent spate of paying attention to the plight of black people stems from the invention of the camera phone, not from bangers burning down nail salons in Ferguson and looting CVS's in Baltimore.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 08, 2016, 05:55:29 PM
You are absolutely right. Eloquent speech can get you some places but it doesn't always and it doesn't always get you were you need to be. America's most recent spate of paying attention to the plight of black people didn't stem from such.
America's most recent spate of paying attention to the plight of black people stems from the invention of the camera phone, not from bangers burning down nail salons in Ferguson and looting CVS's in Baltimore.
If you think that is what I was talking about, you clearly don't know much about me. I was not advocating a Malcolm X-type approach. :huh:
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 08, 2016, 05:58:13 PM
Only because King was not operating in a vaccum. There were other figures who made King a more palatable interlocutory.
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. The way i see it MLK wasn't negotiating with negotiating with the power structure in Washington (if he was, what was he offering in return?). Rather, he was presenting the reality of injustice in the South to the American people, to move public opinion.
We have tapes of him working with LBJ, so he was doing some negotiating.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. The way i see it MLK wasn't negotiating with negotiating with the power structure in Washington (if he was, what was he offering in return?).
:huh: Of course he was. A very clear example is the march on Washington. What he was offering was whatever influence he had, over a movement capable of mobilizing thousands.
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 08, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 08, 2016, 05:38:23 PM
Except I think that's wonderful advice for people of any colour in dealing with misbehaving authority figures. Don't argue with the man holding a gun. There are ways to seek your redress later on.
Except that arguing with an officer - which is something I would suggest can happen, out of the sheer sense of injustice, when you know you are innocent of any wrongdoing - when you are white can send you to jail. Arguing with an officer when you are black can send you to the morgue.
Well it can send you to the Morgue when you are white or latino or whatever as well. Just at a lower rate. Also in a country where having a conviction can have you rejected a job, housing, voting rights, and so forth being sent to jail is all but a death sentence in my book. Now granted just putting you in jail for a bit is not a conviction but let us just say it would reflect badly on me.
The cops have a horrifyingly large amount of power to fuck you up if they want to. Anybody who does anything but bow your head and say 'yes officer' is a braver person than me.
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 07, 2016, 09:17:35 PM
I was curious, because want to know what filtered out in the general public in the US about the Haitian Revolution. I teach a class on the French and Haitian Revolutions and was debating separating them into two different courses, and was wondering about the draw of the HR for students.
It's a shame the HR gets short shrift now in anything other than dedicated Haitian or Latin American Studies, considering how its palpable presence in the antebellum era was the single greatest conceptual nightmare of the plantation culture of the South.
I say separate them, and roll the Haitian Revolution in with the other great Maroon insurrection and independence movements of Jamaica and Surinam, and even the Seminole Wars, their influence on Vesey, Turner, Prosser and John Brown, etc.
Slave revolts? Unconventional warfare? Men of color achieving autonomy, if not outright independence, through force of arms? That's a semester's worth of scaring the living shit out of creepy ass crackers right there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2016, 11:13:23 PM
That's a semester's worth of scaring the living shit out of creepy ass crackers right there.
Why are they taking the course?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 08, 2016, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2016, 11:13:23 PM
That's a semester's worth of scaring the living shit out of creepy ass crackers right there.
Why are they taking the course?
Gen Ed requirement.
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 08, 2016, 05:58:13 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
I read an article way back about some marginal figure named Martin Luther King Jr. who somewhat qualifies your otherwise excellent observation.
Only because King was not operating in a vaccum. There were other figures who made King a more palatable interlocutory.
So palatable he was assassinated.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2016, 11:13:23 PM
Slave revolts? Unconventional warfare? Men of color achieving autonomy, if not outright independence, through force of arms? That's a semester's worth of scaring the living shit out of creepy ass crackers right there.
You're weird.
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 08, 2016, 05:51:50 PMExcept that arguing with an officer - which is something I would suggest can happen, out of the sheer sense of injustice, when you know you are innocent of any wrongdoing - when you are white can send you to jail. Arguing with an officer when you are black can send you to the morgue.
doubt it has much to do with black and white, more poor and not-poor. you get a black guy who talks/acts/dresses white (not-poor), and the chances he's killed lower drastically. get a white guy who talks/acts/dresses black (poor), and the chances he's killed... etc.
at least usually
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2016, 11:13:23 PM
I say separate them, and roll the Haitian Revolution in with the other great Maroon insurrection and independence movements of Jamaica and Surinam, and even the Seminole Wars, their influence on Vesey, Turner, Prosser and John Brown, etc.
Slave revolts? Unconventional warfare? Men of color achieving autonomy, if not outright independence, through force of arms? That's a semester's worth of scaring the living shit out of creepy ass crackers right there.
It is not a bad idea, though would have to discuss with the colleague teaching Jamaican history. And though I understand, of course, the pedagogical value of the American comparison (and the influence of the HR cannot be overstated) some part of me wants to tell students that not every global event in history has to be about the bloody USA.
if you call it "atlantic history," you can maybe trick people into thinking it's mostly about USA
People who feel like they've been "tricked" into taking a class aren't likely to get much out of it.
doesn't matter. professor has high enrollment numbers = win for department; chair is pleased -> professor is happy
He'll have to do some fast talking until add/drop is over.
take home final or promises to provide students the exam questions pre-test ("I'll just pick 10 of the 50 questions")
the latter was some of the only times I ever read the assigned readings back in college. such a brilliant teaching method
Quote from: LaCroix on February 09, 2016, 03:29:34 AM
take home final or promises to provide students the exam questions pre-test ("I'll just pick 10 of the 50 questions")
the latter was some of the only times I ever read the assigned readings back in college. such a brilliant teaching method
No, the latter is not a brilliant method at all. I had a class like that where it just meant before the final that we had different members of the class meet to come up with the answer to the essay questions and then we all meant to talk through them all. So one week of 'learning' that I immediately let out of my head after the exam.
Quote from: garbon on February 09, 2016, 03:43:29 AM
No, the latter is not a brilliant method at all. I had a class like that where it just meant before the final that we had different members of the class meet to come up with the answer to the essay questions and then we all meant to talk through them all. So one week of 'learning' that I immediately let out of my head after the exam.
If a student is determined to forget everything he or she learns in a class after the exam, no exam can change that.
I always provide the possible essay prompts before the exam, and even let the students bring notes. If they can answer all of the essay questions before the exam starts, the exam has already served its purpose, and the students have gotten everything they can get from the course. Nothing can stop willful ignorance.
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
Nothing can stop willful ignorance.
Which is why I don't think it really conveys the benefit that LaCroix mentioned 'the latter was some of the only times I ever read the assigned readings back in college. such a brilliant teaching method.' That's really just how he reacted to that method but intrinsically I can't see why it would make you more likely to read the assigned readings.
Note, I should be clear that I don't have anything in particular against the method (though I suppose I do question what benefit filling out the essay at the test itself would have if I've already filled out all the essays in advanced by myself) but it is the supposed brilliance of it that I take issue with.
It wouldn't be February without a solemn look back at a man who fought against European hegemony when the world was young and the sins of the colonizers were yet undone. He struggled for the brotherhood of man, and saw his brother's head pitched before him. He saw with great vision the course of the oppressive imperialists, and it cost him an eye.
It may be that no man before or since has brought such fear to the hearts of white oppressors. No eulogy could be enough for this proud African warrior, but his memory lives on.
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Quote from: Lettow77 on February 09, 2016, 08:25:55 AM
It wouldn't be February without a solemn look back at a man who fought against European hegemony when the world was young and the sins of the colonizers were yet undone. He struggled for the brotherhood of man, and saw his brother's head pitched before him. He saw with great vision the course of the oppressive imperialists, and it cost him an eye.
It may be that no man before or since has brought such fear to the hearts of white oppressors. No eulogy could be enough for this proud African warrior, but his memory lives on.
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Nat Turner never wore a hat like that!
Quote from: Jaron on February 08, 2016, 03:39:16 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 08, 2016, 01:44:07 AM
Those who can't legally operate guillotines, teach courses on the French Revolution.
Au Revoir, Felicia
Straight out of Utah... On a friday
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 09, 2016, 01:51:09 AM
some part of me wants to tell students that not every global event in history has to be about the bloody USA.
You should have tought of that before signing on to teach in an American College :P
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 08, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 08, 2016, 05:38:23 PM
Except I think that's wonderful advice for people of any colour in dealing with misbehaving authority figures. Don't argue with the man holding a gun. There are ways to seek your redress later on.
Except that arguing with an officer - which is something I would suggest can happen, out of the sheer sense of injustice, when you know you are innocent of any wrongdoing - when you are white can send you to jail. Arguing with an officer when you are black can send you to the morgue.
do we have stats on that? 'Cause I think lots of white people end up dead in that same situation too, in the US.
Maybe white people are less likely to protest arrest because they feel it's racism, though.
Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Maybe white people are less likely to protest arrest because they feel it's racism, though.
It is complicated. But we do do crazy shit like create anti-government militias.
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
I always provide the possible essay prompts before the exam, and even let the students bring notes. If they can answer all of the essay questions before the exam starts, the exam has already served its purpose, and the students have gotten everything they can get from the course. Nothing can stop willful ignorance.
it used to be that we could bring our notes for finance and stats exams, or at the very least, one sheet of notes/formulas, but my university later changed the policy to no notes at all, not even a formula sheet. That puts the emphasis on learning like a drone, imho, rather than understanding what you do.
Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
I always provide the possible essay prompts before the exam, and even let the students bring notes. If they can answer all of the essay questions before the exam starts, the exam has already served its purpose, and the students have gotten everything they can get from the course. Nothing can stop willful ignorance.
it used to be that we could bring our notes for finance and stats exams, or at the very least, one sheet of notes/formulas, but my university later changed the policy to no notes at all, not even a formula sheet. That puts the emphasis on learning like a drone, imho, rather than understanding what you do.
I was a master at formula memorization. My grand stack of flashcards was a sight to behold come graduation. I have to say this skill is of limited utility as a professional Engineer :hmm:
My notes were always how to spell certain words.
Quote from: Valmy on February 09, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
I always provide the possible essay prompts before the exam, and even let the students bring notes. If they can answer all of the essay questions before the exam starts, the exam has already served its purpose, and the students have gotten everything they can get from the course. Nothing can stop willful ignorance.
it used to be that we could bring our notes for finance and stats exams, or at the very least, one sheet of notes/formulas, but my university later changed the policy to no notes at all, not even a formula sheet. That puts the emphasis on learning like a drone, imho, rather than understanding what you do.
I was a master at formula memorization. My grand stack of flashcards was a sight to behold come graduation. I have to say this skill is of limited utility as a professional Engineer :hmm:
I always sucked at formula memorization. The only D I ever got was in a Mineralogy course, which primarily revolved around trying to memorize the chemical composition of different minerals.
I was so happy when I learned that law school had open book exams. :weep:
Quote from: Valmy on February 09, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
I always provide the possible essay prompts before the exam, and even let the students bring notes. If they can answer all of the essay questions before the exam starts, the exam has already served its purpose, and the students have gotten everything they can get from the course. Nothing can stop willful ignorance.
it used to be that we could bring our notes for finance and stats exams, or at the very least, one sheet of notes/formulas, but my university later changed the policy to no notes at all, not even a formula sheet. That puts the emphasis on learning like a drone, imho, rather than understanding what you do.
I was a master at formula memorization. My grand stack of flashcards was a sight to behold come graduation. I have to say this skill is of limited utility as a professional Engineer :hmm:
I was always about the divided, foldable page. -_-
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 09, 2016, 08:25:55 AM
It may be that no man before or since has brought such fear to the hearts of white oppressors. No eulogy could be enough for this proud African warrior, but his memory lives on.
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Wait is that supposed to be Hannibal? Huh. Well I guess nobody can prove he DIDN'T look like that.
Quote from: Valmy on February 11, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Wait is that supposed to be Hannibal? Huh. Well I guess nobody can prove he DIDN'T look like that.
That's
exactly how I assume a descendant of Phoenician aristocrats would look like! :D
Next up: how Cleopatra, descendant of generations of Macedonian inbreeding, was Black.
Yeah, I thought we had a pretty good idea what Punics/Phoenicians looked like, and surely it isn't like that.
Quote from: celedhring on February 11, 2016, 03:47:54 PM
Yeah, I thought we had a pretty good idea what Punics/Phoenicians looked like, and surely it isn't like that.
From Lettow's write up it is Nat Turner, like I said. It looks a lot more like him (except for the hat) than it does Hannibal (or his brother Hasdrubal).
I'd say the colonizers had done a fair amount of sinning by Turner's time.
Quote from: Valmy on February 11, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Wait is that supposed to be Hannibal? Huh. Well I guess nobody can prove he DIDN'T look like that.
Hannibal Burress, maybe.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 11, 2016, 07:12:25 PM
I'd say the colonizers had done a fair amount of sinning by Turner's time.
Yes, but their since hadn't been undone yet.
Quote from: Valmy on February 11, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Wait is that supposed to be Hannibal?
I don't know, maybe it's one of those other African leaders who lead an army of elephants across the Alps.
Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Maybe white people are less likely to protest arrest because they feel it's racism, though.
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Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
do we have stats on that? 'Cause I think lots of white people end up dead in that same situation too, in the US.
Maybe white people are less likely to protest arrest because they feel it's racism, though.
No stats, but based on anecdotal evidence, a bunch of white men have not only just resisted and protested arrest, but occupied a federal building, threatening to shoot policemen with rifles in the process. None were harmed.
Quote from: Martinus on February 20, 2016, 01:16:51 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
do we have stats on that? 'Cause I think lots of white people end up dead in that same situation too, in the US.
Maybe white people are less likely to protest arrest because they feel it's racism, though.
No stats, but based on anecdotal evidence, a bunch of white men have not only just resisted and protested arrest, but occupied a federal building, threatening to shoot policemen with rifles in the process. None were harmed.
None were harmed, but one was shot to death? Okay...
Quote from: viper37 on February 09, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on February 08, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 08, 2016, 05:38:23 PM
Except I think that's wonderful advice for people of any colour in dealing with misbehaving authority figures. Don't argue with the man holding a gun. There are ways to seek your redress later on.
Except that arguing with an officer - which is something I would suggest can happen, out of the sheer sense of injustice, when you know you are innocent of any wrongdoing - when you are white can send you to jail. Arguing with an officer when you are black can send you to the morgue.
do we have stats on that? 'Cause I think lots of white people end up dead in that same situation too, in the US.
Maybe white people are less likely to protest arrest because they feel it's racism, though.
Black or white, you're most likely NOT going to get shot during interaction with the police, even if you're being rude and uncooperative. Granted, your chances of not being shot are better if you're white, but then again, your chances are also better if you're being polite and cooperative. You can't really do much about whether you're black or white, but you can do something about whether your being polite and cooperative or not. So really, your best bet, regardless of your race, is to be polite and cooperative.
I'll further grant that many cops take an obnoxious attitude that makes you want to be rude and uncooperative with them, and it can take a lot of self-discipline to not mouth off (or worse) to them, and that I personally haven't always been polite and cooperative. And interestingly, when I've actually done something wrong I've been more polite and cooperative than when I haven't actually done anything wrong, so the idea that you're just being hassled by the cops without any good reason leads to you being, uhm, difficult has some merit--at least it's anecdotally true in my case.)
And to be clear, by being cooperative, I don't mean that you should waive any of your rights, and, yes, I realize that some (many, most?) police officers will classify insisting on exercising your rights as being "uncooperative".
Just say 'yes massa' and it'll be alright.
Yes, because not being actively confrontational is equivalent of slavery. :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on February 20, 2016, 02:08:14 PM
Just say 'yes massa' and it'll be alright.
No way. That would imply I resent them on some level. And when some Texas Cop is losing his shit because you rolled through that one stop sign that is just a bad idea.
Quote from: Valmy on February 11, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 09, 2016, 08:25:55 AM
It may be that no man before or since has brought such fear to the hearts of white oppressors. No eulogy could be enough for this proud African warrior, but his memory lives on.
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Wait is that supposed to be Hannibal? Huh. Well I guess nobody can prove he DIDN'T look like that.
Actually I think that was suppose to be Demaryius Thomas coming to join the Broncos in Denver.
Quote from: garbon on February 20, 2016, 02:08:14 PM
Just say 'yes massa' and it'll be alright.
There are court officials in Ontario with the official title of "Master" (you address them as "Master [Smith] or just plain "Master"). They are lower on the judicial totem pole than judges, often dealing with stuff like scheduling motions. Being lesser, they are stereotypically reputed to have serious Napoleon complexes, and hassle young lawyers unmercifully over trifles.
One of the law students I articled with was a sassy Black chick, who said she found it difficult not to make fun of this fact. :D The temptation to say "yes, massa" when being unreasonably hassled by one of these dudes must have been overwhelming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_(judiciary)