So I got the Civil War II game and 'To End all Wars' which I guess is WWI II. It kind of seems like WWI I loaded up as France and was attacking with penache and elan but I was getting really frustrated because I was creating all these new divisions and corps but I could not create new generals to command them...and while legendary names like de Castelnau and Dubail may inspire some I was kind of hoping to sack them eventually. But I could make new British Generals. And loading up some other scenarios I could make new Austrian and Russian and German generals as well. So I guess AGEOD is saying French generals are worth zero (and considering many of the most incompetent Central Powers generals have ratings higher than guys like Foche I guess they are kind of saying that) :P
But seriously really? Over a year after release and one of the major powers cannot make generals (and a remake of a six or seven year old game at that)? Does anybody else have this game? I have hunted around on the internet and nobody even seems to play anybody but the Germans.
I've been playing that one as well. As far as I can tell it's impossible to get in position to fight the battle of the Marne at the proper time. Who thought two week turns were a good idea? But yeah, everyone who isn't German comes across as really sucky. I haven't tried to buy generals. I just throw the ones I have at the enemy. This is not a good strategy, btw.
Civil War II is ruined by "National Fortitude" or however they named the mechanic that causes National Morale to steadily rise upward to a predetermined point.
Although you can in theory win the game with the other side losing will for the fight, in practice short of taking their capital this is impossible. The war can get much bloodier than historical, and at that completely one-sided, but it will continue on regardless.
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Here the North valiantly fights on, despite by the fall of '63 having lost more men than it ever would in the historical conflict. Besides their human losses, they couldn't hold Philadelphia, New York City, or Chicago. (It goes without saying the Border States are all Confederate.)
But whatever else may happen, Fortress Washington yet endures, so the North has no interest in a status quo peace, preferring instead to see if they can go double or nothing to lose Boston as well.
Since Tamas's name is on the product he really should be blamed.
I find it amusing that your complaint is that the North has not surrendered after losing Chicago and NYC, rather than the absurdity of a game about the "Civil War" where such a thing is even possible.
I am willing to make more allowances for the ineptitude and incompetence of the Yankee Host than for its fortitude or courage.
Quote from: Berkut on January 02, 2016, 09:25:56 PM
I find it amusing that your complaint is that the North has not surrendered after losing Chicago and NYC, rather than the absurdity of a game about the "Civil War" where such a thing is even possible.
That's why I didn't like the first AGEOD civil war game. I don't think most battles of civil war were fought in upstate New York.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 03, 2016, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 02, 2016, 09:25:56 PM
I find it amusing that your complaint is that the North has not surrendered after losing Chicago and NYC, rather than the absurdity of a game about the "Civil War" where such a thing is even possible.
That's why I didn't like the first AGEOD civil war game. I don't think most battles of civil war were fought in upstate New York.
If you play multiplayer they aren't.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 02, 2016, 09:03:49 PM
I've been playing that one as well. As far as I can tell it's impossible to get in position to fight the battle of the Marne at the proper time. Who thought two week turns were a good idea? But yeah, everyone who isn't German comes across as really sucky. I haven't tried to buy generals. I just throw the ones I have at the enemy. This is not a good strategy, btw.
In my game the Germans focused on the Russians so I attacked their flanks and broke thorugh...slowly. The French generals were so incompetent that they often did not activate. I mean geez I get the French Army was prepared to fight a different war than the one that was fought but they at least knew how to charge forward.
But I digress. I was looking for a place to get an answer on my 'making new French generals' bug and this was the forum I thought I was most likely to find an official response :P
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2016, 01:01:57 AM
But I digress. I was looking for a place to get an answer on my 'making new French generals' bug and this was the forum I thought I was most likely to find an official response :P
You need to use decisions (F12) to liberate 6 new Generals, costing 3 Engagement Points and 300 State Funds. You must move the "New General" Icon onto the France flag on the off-screen diplomacy section.
It's written right there and then on the tooltip for the New General decision. :rolleyes: It definitely works I've used that decision as the Eastern Entente.
Quote from: Drakken on January 03, 2016, 01:24:51 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2016, 01:01:57 AM
But I digress. I was looking for a place to get an answer on my 'making new French generals' bug and this was the forum I thought I was most likely to find an official response :P
You need to use decisions (F12) to liberate 6 new Generals, costing 3 Engagement Points and 300 State Funds. You must move the "New General" Icon onto the France flag on the off-screen diplomacy section.
It's written right there and then on the tooltip for the New General decision. :rolleyes: It definitely works I've used that decision as the Eastern Entente.
I am well aware of that dude. It works great with every faction besides the French.
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2016, 02:11:23 AM
Quote from: Drakken on January 03, 2016, 01:24:51 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2016, 01:01:57 AM
But I digress. I was looking for a place to get an answer on my 'making new French generals' bug and this was the forum I thought I was most likely to find an official response :P
You need to use decisions (F12) to liberate 6 new Generals, costing 3 Engagement Points and 300 State Funds. You must move the "New General" Icon onto the France flag on the off-screen diplomacy section.
It's written right there and then on the tooltip for the New General decision. :rolleyes: It definitely works I've used that decision as the Eastern Entente.
I am well aware of that dude. It works great with every faction besides the French.
I think someone failed to read your post before responding.
I got 30 years war at Tamas' suggestion and hated it.
My advice to anyone is never buy a game he recommends or at least do a lot of research beforehand - watch gameplay videos / get a demo if one exists / read player reviews.
Quote from: Jaron on January 03, 2016, 09:20:39 PM
I got 30 years war at Tamas' suggestion and hated it.
My advice to anyone is never buy a game he recommends or at least do a lot of research beforehand - watch gameplay videos / get a demo if one exists / read player reviews.
I would just generally say that AGEOD games generally aren't worth one's time.
I really want to like AGEOD's games but it rarely works out for me.
I did have fun in the one Civil War game I played in PBEM.
Quote from: Jaron on January 03, 2016, 09:20:39 PM
I got 30 years war at Tamas' suggestion and hated it.
My advice to anyone is never buy a game he recommends or at least do a lot of research beforehand - watch gameplay videos / get a demo if one exists / read player reviews.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
I really want to like AGEOD's games but it rarely works out for me.
I did have fun in the one Civil War game I played in PBEM.
I usually work my way through the tutorials, thoroughly study the starting situation, then wander off and read a book about whatever period the game is covering and never actually play a game :lol:
I trust Tampax. :)
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2016, 03:27:46 AM
:rolleyes:
Ack Tamas! Help me out here man. My dream of driving very slowly to the Rhine with my not activating French generals need fulfilling :(
Quote from: Valmy on January 04, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2016, 03:27:46 AM
:rolleyes:
Ack Tamas! Help me out here man. My dream of driving very slowly to the Rhine with my not activating French generals need fulfilling :(
This is the first time I hear about this issue :(
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
I really want to like AGEOD's games but it rarely works out for me.
Yep exactly.
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2016, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 04, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2016, 03:27:46 AM
:rolleyes:
Ack Tamas! Help me out here man. My dream of driving very slowly to the Rhine with my not activating French generals need fulfilling :(
This is the first time I hear about this issue :(
Some Producer you are!
Quote from: Razgovory on January 04, 2016, 02:28:04 PM
Some Producer you are!
To be fair to Tamas, as I said, almost everybody seems to only play the Central Powers :P
I hope it is easily fixable.
Could have at least asked you to try reinstalling. :P
Quote from: garbon on January 04, 2016, 02:38:28 PM
Could have at least asked you to try reinstalling. :P
My diagnosis so far is that Valmy doesn't know how to play :P
Seriously though, very busy day today mate. I'll try and check out this for you tomorrow.
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2016, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 04, 2016, 02:38:28 PM
Could have at least asked you to try reinstalling. :P
My diagnosis so far is that Valmy doesn't know how to play :P
Seriously though, very busy day today mate. I'll try and check out this for you tomorrow.
I hope that is the case :P
Thanks dude.
Quote from: Lettow77 on January 02, 2016, 09:05:46 PM
Civil War II is ruined by "National Fortitude" or however they named the mechanic that causes National Morale to steadily rise upward to a predetermined point.
Yeah it looks like you have to take Richmond/Washington to win. So best to play it with that being a primary goal though that is pretty stupid for the South. If the North has been checked from invading the South by 1864 (and lost a border state or two) it should be all over.
Quote from: Lettow77 on January 02, 2016, 09:05:46 PM
Here the North valiantly fights on, despite by the fall of '63 having lost more men than it ever would in the historical conflict. Besides their human losses, they couldn't hold Philadelphia, New York City, or Chicago. (It goes without saying the Border States are all Confederate.)
But whatever else may happen, Fortress Washington yet endures, so the North has no interest in a status quo peace, preferring instead to see if they can go double or nothing to lose Boston as well.
You left Brooklyn, bud. There's your mistake.
I got this game as well in hopes of playing the French. Looks like I'll wait to see if there is any resolution to this issue. :glare:
Quote from: Valmy on January 04, 2016, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: Lettow77 on January 02, 2016, 09:05:46 PM
Civil War II is ruined by "National Fortitude" or however they named the mechanic that causes National Morale to steadily rise upward to a predetermined point.
Yeah it looks like you have to take Richmond/Washington to win. So best to play it with that being a primary goal though that is pretty stupid for the South. If the North has been checked from invading the South by 1864 (and lost a border state or two) it should be all over.
Even if Lee had outmanuvered Meade completely and had a day or two unmolested to attack the city he wouldn't have been able to take it. The fortifications were too strong, by '63 he city was surrounded by sixty forts with interlocking fields of fire, garrisoned with 25,000 men with over 800 artillery pieces. Taking Washington by storm was as likely as the Wehrmacht pulling off Operation Sea Lion.
All they needed were AK-47s. :rolleyes:
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2016, 07:47:51 PM
Even if Lee had outmanuvered Meade completely and had a day or two unmolested to attack the city he wouldn't have been able to take it. The fortifications were too strong, by '63 he city was surrounded by sixty forts with interlocking fields of fire, garrisoned with 25,000 men with over 800 artillery pieces. Taking Washington by storm was as likely as the Wehrmacht pulling off Operation Sea Lion.
It could be argued that Washington DC would probably be in a state of panic after a defeat at Gettysburg, finding themselves with Lee's ANV camping just outside the city. :hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2016, 07:47:51 PM
Even if Lee had outmanuvered Meade completely and had a day or two unmolested to attack the city he wouldn't have been able to take it. The fortifications were too strong, by '63 he city was surrounded by sixty forts with interlocking fields of fire, garrisoned with 25,000 men with over 800 artillery pieces. Taking Washington by storm was as likely as the Wehrmacht pulling off Operation Sea Lion.
Lee wouldn't have taken it in "a day or two," but, left undisturbed, he would have taken it in a week or so. 25,000 men and sixty forts is inadequate force compared to the perimeter to be defended, and Washington's defenses were only as strong as their weakest point.
However, the chances Lee would ever be undisturbed for a week or so were nil, unless he had already shattered the AoP (which didn't happen to any army in the East)... and in that case, the war would be over before he needed to take Washington.
Grumbler, please don't be racist.
Quote from: Lettow77 on January 14, 2016, 08:56:41 AM
Grumbler, please don't be racist.
No worries, mate. Your rice bowl will always be safe from me.
It's 1916 and Germany has failed to capture Warsaw. French forces have seized Stuttgart and overrun the Ruhr valley. Hannover and Hessia are in imediate danger. Germany is still wining by a wide margin.
Seized Berlin in the Spring of 1917. War still going on. Guess I will have to capture Vienna as well.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 20, 2016, 11:12:23 PM
Seized Berlin in the Spring of 1917. War still going on. Guess I will have to capture Vienna as well.
Wait who are you playing here? Can you make French Generals?
Quote from: Valmy on January 21, 2016, 09:02:39 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 20, 2016, 11:12:23 PM
Seized Berlin in the Spring of 1917. War still going on. Guess I will have to capture Vienna as well.
Can you make French Generals?
Only Adolph Menjou.
But the only thing he is good for is killing off Kirk Douglas.
Quote from: Valmy on January 21, 2016, 09:02:39 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 20, 2016, 11:12:23 PM
Seized Berlin in the Spring of 1917. War still going on. Guess I will have to capture Vienna as well.
Wait who are you playing here? Can you make French Generals?
Yes. I can make French generals. I just drag the recruit general icon on to the flag of France where all the diplomacy stuff is. I don't know why you have this trouble. There might be a some invisible time limit that arbitrarily keeps you from buying French generals. Note that I have idea how to
promote generals. . I couldn't make Petain a army commander, I could only keep him as a corps commander.
The UI in this game is terrible and the manual and the tutorial are insufficient. It doesn't help that the game tells you things that aren't true. Either they were never true or changed in a patch. For instance it says that once the Americans join you can build American units but you also get free ones landing in France every few months. I get the free ones, but it never allows you to build any. Very annoying.
I finally defeated the Central Powers, exactly three years after the war began. I had to occupy nearly every German cities to get it though, and still it was only a "Major victory", not a decisive one. The only German cities I didn't take were the areas east of Berlin and the cities in Bavaria (which I bypassed during my Blitzkrieg into Germany). Interestingly I was able to bypass most of the fortified areas in both Austria and Germany. The ones in Germany I eventually encircled and reduced (which cost a lot of men), the ones in Austria I just bypassed. The Italians did not fight any grinding battles, in fact they didn't fight much at all.