Ethnic food is now appropriative! :rolleyes:
Better shut down every pizza parlor in America since they don't make it the authentic Italian way. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/20/oberlin-students-cafeteria-food-is-racist.html
QuoteOberlin College Students: Cafeteria Food Is Racist
The noted liberal arts school explores new frontiers in getting offended.
University dining halls aren't exactly famous for serving gourmet dishes, but Oberlin students say their meals aren't merely bad—they are racially inauthentic, and thus, a form of microaggression.
It's one thing to quietly gripe about the quality of dorm food (students have likely been doing that for centuries). It's quite another to accuse the dining room staff of stealing from Asian culture because they didn't prepare the General Tso's chicken with the correct sauce.
And yet, here's what one Oberlin student had to say about the dining hall's sushi bar:
"When you're cooking a country's dish for other people, including ones who have never tried the original dish before, you're also representing the meaning of the dish as well as its culture," student Tomoyo Joshi told The Oberlin Review. "So if people not from that heritage take food, modify it and serve it as 'authentic,' it is appropriative."
Cultural appropriation, readers will recall, allegedly occurs when people borrow the traditions of another ethnic or religious group. Liberal students at a Canadian university, for example, recently shut down a free yoga class for disabled students because yoga has its origins in Hinduism, meaning it doesn't belong to white people and they shouldn't practice it. This kind of thinking is actually bafflingly illiberal—who's to say that culture itself belongs to anyone?—and yet it's usually left-leaning students waging weirdly nativist campaigns of forced isolation on foreign cuisines and customs.
The culinary critics at Oberlin, however, aren't just mad that the cafeteria has appropriated their culture—they're mad that it's been appropriated poorly.
"It was ridiculous," student Diep Nguyen told The Oberlin Review (the "it," in question was a banh mi sandwich with the wrong bun). "How could they just throw out something completely different and label it as another country's traditional food?"
For one thing, the banh mi sandwich is itself the product of the blurring of cultural boundaries: French and Vietnamese.
For another, there's something deliciously ironic about Oberlin students—some of the most privileged people in the world, as evidenced by the $50,000 they pay annually in tuition—whining about the bun-thickness of meals prepared by lowly paid cafeteria workers. As academic and writer Fredrik de Boer noted on Twitter, "When you're defending the cultural authenticity of GENERAL TSO'S CHICKEN, you're a living Portlandia sketch."
These students could certainly stand a bit of mockery. They could also stand to broaden their horizons. For some reason, too many otherwise liberal kids think cultural transformation is a kind of genocide—different societies have a right to stay exactly the way they are, untouched by modernity, they think.
But they are just plain wrong: Blending the best elements of different social traditions and creating something new (and possibly more fascinating) is praiseworthy and progressive. Maybe Oberlin's banh mi sandwich should be judged not by how closely it apes the original, but whether it tastes as good?
Unfortunately, the cafeteria is not the only place where Oberlin students want a kind of cultural-appropriation-free safe space. The desire to re-enforce traditional cultural boundaries also manifests itself in a new list of demands recently released by black students.
Among the 14-page document's most notable items is this: Black students want a "safe space for Africana identifying students" set up in each of various campus buildings. Given that white student allies of protesters were ejected from similar black safe spaces at the University of Missouri and other campuses, it seems fair to assume these Oberlin radicals are proposing something akin to segregated safe spaces.
Previous generations of activists fought for equal treatment and equal access to facilities for all students, regardless of color. They fought against racial segregation on campuses—including at Oberlin, which betrayed its legacy of fierce opposition to slavery by segregating its campus in the 1880s.
But it sound like separate facilities are exactly what today's radical students want. In addition to blacks-only safe spaces, they want to hire more professors, administrators, and psychologists of color—and they assert the right of black students (and only black students) to have the final say on the continued employment of these people. Consider this representative request:
"We DEMAND a written form that assures us of the institution's commitment to increase the number of black psychologists within the Counseling Center. Furthermore, we DEMAND that Black students be able to sit in on the interviews of these HIGHLY QUALIFIED candidates in order to ensure that these professionals cater to the needs of the Black students. We also DEMAND the hiring of Black healers/non western health practitioners because not everyone finds comfort and healing solely from a psychologist."
Activists also want black student leaders to be compensated $8.20 an hour for their organizing efforts. They want members of the Oberlin community who offended them banished. They want no fewer than four buildings renamed.
If all of their demands were met, two things would happen. First, since most of the items require separate and distinct services for black students, there would be a lot less racial intermixing. Second, because the cost of hiring all these new employees and providing so many services is prohibitive, tuition would skyrocket. Oberlin would become much less affordable for the very students most dissatisfied with the college; it would also become weirdly segregated.
Students have every right to make unreasonable demands—even if those demands are as ridiculous as racially-sensitive banh mi sandwhiches and racially-segregated safe spaces. But they deserve every drop of criticism they get in return.
They wonder why so many school shootings.
It was a bit much when we had Turkish food on the day to commemorate the Armenian genocide or the time that mammies appeared with watermelon and fried chicken on a night themed African American Heritage.
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
They wonder why so many school shootings.
Come on, just because he posts a few too many threads a times doesn't warrant that comparison. :mad:
Quote from: mongers on December 21, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
Come on, just because he posts a few too many threads a times doesn't warrant that comparison. :mad:
You're the one who bitches when he doesn't post some story you noticed.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 21, 2015, 09:32:59 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 21, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
Come on, just because he posts a few too many threads a times doesn't warrant that comparison. :mad:
You're the one who bitches when he doesn't post some story you noticed.
If Tim was crazy enough to be let out of the army, he wouldn't be asking.
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 09:30:14 PM
It was a bit much when we had Turkish food on the day to commemorate the Armenian genocide or the time that mammies appeared with watermelon and fried chicken on a night themed African American Heritage.
There's no way that happened :lol:
Thankfully, Oberlin only has around 3000 students. Hopefully, they will eventually fade like Antioch did in Yellow Springs.
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 09:30:14 PM
It was a bit much when we had Turkish food on the day to commemorate the Armenian genocide or the time that mammies appeared with watermelon and fried chicken on a night themed African American Heritage.
Stanford man. I am glad I stayed in more enlightened Texas.
Man I always wanted to say that.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2015, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 09:30:14 PM
It was a bit much when we had Turkish food on the day to commemorate the Armenian genocide or the time that mammies appeared with watermelon and fried chicken on a night themed African American Heritage.
There's no way that happened :lol:
They both did. The first was definitely down to lack of awareness as the food manager was mortified when she found out. The latter also happened and I know as I was pushed by the other black students to boycott dinner. I was very hungry that night. -_-
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2015, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 09:30:14 PM
It was a bit much when we had Turkish food on the day to commemorate the Armenian genocide or the time that mammies appeared with watermelon and fried chicken on a night themed African American Heritage.
There's no way that happened :lol:
They both did. The first was definitely down to lack of awareness as the food manager was mortified when she found out. The latter also happened and I know as I was pushed by the other black students to boycott dinner. I was very hungry that night. -_-
Ah well the first was an honest mistake. I can only assume the second was because the guy running the food facilities that night got drunk.
They put up a Pan-African flag for good measure too. :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
They both did. The first was definitely down to lack of awareness as the food manager was mortified when she found out. The latter also happened and I know as I was pushed by the other black students to boycott dinner. I was very hungry that night. -_-
Where did they find the mammies?
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2015, 11:52:51 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2015, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 09:30:14 PM
It was a bit much when we had Turkish food on the day to commemorate the Armenian genocide or the time that mammies appeared with watermelon and fried chicken on a night themed African American Heritage.
There's no way that happened :lol:
They both did. The first was definitely down to lack of awareness as the food manager was mortified when she found out. The latter also happened and I know as I was pushed by the other black students to boycott dinner. I was very hungry that night. -_-
Ah well the first was an honest mistake. I can only assume the second was because the guy running the food facilities that night got drunk.
Probably a foreign chef that looked up African American food on google the week before.
My company had a similar incident. It announced we had signed endorsement deals with several rappers on the day we celebrated black history month, and gave out free chicken wings to everyone for lunch (on such occasions everyone gets free lunch, but this is the first time the lunch was chicken wings).
Just chicken wings? How odd. I don't usually see wing bars as related to that stereotype.
As someone with Italian heritage, Pizza parlors are fine. As some one with Irish heritage, nobody should be forced to eat that crap.
Quote from: Valmy on December 22, 2015, 12:06:11 AM
Just chicken wings? How odd. I don't usually see wing bars as related to that stereotype.
I don't remember what the side was. Probably chips or something along with carrots or celery. It is lunch for everyone so everyone gets the same thing and it needs to be easy to pass out. Usually we get premade subway sandwiches or chicken sandwiches from Chick Fil A. Sometimes dominos which makes everyone sad and one terrible day that will hopefully never repeat it was hardees.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 22, 2015, 12:10:11 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 22, 2015, 12:06:11 AM
Just chicken wings? How odd. I don't usually see wing bars as related to that stereotype.
I don't remember what the side was. Probably chips or something along with carrots or celery. It is lunch for everyone so everyone gets the same thing and it needs to be easy to pass out. Usually we get premade subway sandwiches or chicken sandwiches from Chick Fil A. Sometimes dominos which makes everyone sad and one terrible day that will hopefully never repeat it was hardees.
Hardess is fucking awesome.
Dominos ain't bad for chain pizza either.
Chick-Fil-A engages in microaggressions against atheists.
Hardess probably engages in microaggessions against the bowels.
Actually, I think that serving Hardee's "food" to anyone counts as an atrocity.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 22, 2015, 12:32:56 AM
Hardess is fucking awesome.
Dominos ain't bad for chain pizza either.
I can't believe you are in a position to educate children.
Quote from: ToniChick-Fil-A engages in microaggressions against atheists.
Yes, but it is tasty as far as fast food goes, which at lunchtime overcomes a lot.
Quote from: ToniHardess probably engages in microaggessions against the bowels.
There is nothing micro about it.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 22, 2015, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 22, 2015, 12:32:56 AM
Hardess is fucking awesome.
Dominos ain't bad for chain pizza either.
I can't believe you are in a position to educate children.
Local pizza places are of course superior, but amongst chain resteraunts its pizza is pretty good. Certainly better than Pizza Hut.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 22, 2015, 12:57:22 AM
Local pizza places are of course superior, but amongst chain resteraunts its pizza is pretty good. Certainly better than Pizza Hut.
Pizza Hut is also an abomination. I think some frozen pizzas are better. I think Papa Johns is better. California Pizza Kitchen is better.
But we are really dumbing down this competition if we are comparing it to other bad restaurants. I groan when given Dominos pizza for lunch not because of its relative place in the chain pizza hierarchy, but because it has the dual whammy of being unhealthy and tasting bad.
Quote"We DEMAND a written form that assures us of the institution's commitment to increase the number of black psychologists within the Counseling Center. Furthermore, we DEMAND that Black students be able to sit in on the interviews of these HIGHLY QUALIFIED candidates in order to ensure that these professionals cater to the needs of the Black students. We also DEMAND the hiring of Black healers/non western health practitioners because not everyone finds comfort and healing solely from a psychologist."
This must be a joke. :huh:
Hallal meat should be killed by real Muslims otherwise it isn't authentic. ;)
I guess it's a sign that racial equality is now at a pretty good stage that all they have to moan about is poor quality sushi.
Quote from: Tyr on December 22, 2015, 01:50:33 AM
I guess it's a sign that racial equality is now at a pretty good stage that all they have to moan about is poor quality sushi.
It's absolutely not, which makes this posturing and carrying on much worse. There are real problems they should be protesting.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 22, 2015, 02:24:46 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 22, 2015, 01:50:33 AM
I guess it's a sign that racial equality is now at a pretty good stage that all they have to moan about is poor quality sushi.
It's absolutely not, which makes this posturing and carrying on much worse. There are real problems they should be protesting.
Yes, I think that, at least in some areas, we are going backwards.
Quote from: Martinus on December 22, 2015, 01:35:43 AM
Quote"We DEMAND a written form that assures us of the institution's commitment to increase the number of black psychologists within the Counseling Center. Furthermore, we DEMAND that Black students be able to sit in on the interviews of these HIGHLY QUALIFIED candidates in order to ensure that these professionals cater to the needs of the Black students. We also DEMAND the hiring of Black healers/non western health practitioners because not everyone finds comfort and healing solely from a psychologist."
This must be a joke. :huh:
Oh they are.
Oberlin is where the fat girls who couldn't get into Wellesley go. It's a terrible place. Best to avoid. :P
Hardee's is better than McDonald's or Wendy's(for burgers at least, though I like their chicken sandwiches). Though really, it's such a quick and simple meal you can prepare one at home and spend less time and money than going to the drive-through.
It's funny how relentlessly racist & sociopathic one can be as long as you do it under the guise of socjus. :showoff:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 22, 2015, 05:18:31 AM
Hardee's is better than McDonald's or Wendy's(for burgers at least, though I like their chicken sandwiches). Though really, it's such a quick and simple meal you can prepare one at home and spend less time and money than going to the drive-through.
Finally someone shows up in the thread who can spell Hardee's correctly. :hug:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 22, 2015, 12:03:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
They both did. The first was definitely down to lack of awareness as the food manager was mortified when she found out. The latter also happened and I know as I was pushed by the other black students to boycott dinner. I was very hungry that night. -_-
Where did they find the mammies?
Seedy's kitchen.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 22, 2015, 02:24:46 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 22, 2015, 01:50:33 AM
I guess it's a sign that racial equality is now at a pretty good stage that all they have to moan about is poor quality sushi.
It's absolutely not, which makes this posturing and carrying on much worse. There are real problems they should be protesting.
What should they be protesting?
Quality of students?
Isn't General Tso's chicken like the American version of actual Chinese food?
Quote from: Archy on December 22, 2015, 01:41:17 AM
Hallal meat should be killed by real Muslims otherwise it isn't authentic. ;)
Really? Sometimes Muslims rely on kosher meat since the ritual is pretty close. :smarty:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 22, 2015, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: Archy on December 22, 2015, 01:41:17 AM
Hallal meat should be killed by real Muslims otherwise it isn't authentic. ;)
Really? Sometimes Muslims rely on kosher meat since the ritual is pretty close. :smarty:
Just making the same redenation as those students. They'll decide what ethnic food should be.
Quote from: celedhring on December 22, 2015, 09:14:14 AM
Isn't General Tso's chicken like the American version of actual Chinese food?
Not THE version. We eat other stuff too. My understanding is General Tso's is one of the dishes that Chinese invented in the US.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 22, 2015, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: Archy on December 22, 2015, 01:41:17 AM
Hallal meat should be killed by real Muslims otherwise it isn't authentic. ;)
Really? Sometimes Muslims rely on kosher meat since the ritual is pretty close. :smarty:
IIRC the only requirements (beyond not being from one of the forbidden animals) is that a person of the book slaughter the animal a certain way (slice the neck and let it bleed out) and murmur Allah's name. So it can be a Jew, Christian or Muslim doing the slaughtering.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 22, 2015, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: Archy on December 22, 2015, 01:41:17 AM
Hallal meat should be killed by real Muslims otherwise it isn't authentic. ;)
Really? Sometimes Muslims rely on kosher meat since the ritual is pretty close. :smarty:
A lot of muslims don't really care about halal if they're hungry and its there.
Btw, this should make conservatives think: six month after the SCOTUS legalized gay marriage, you narry hear a peep from the gays. Yet 60 years after the SCOTUS ended segregation, blacks are still not satisfied. Ergo: gays are much easier to appease. :P
Eh, with all the "safe space" whining, they seem to want segregation back.
Quote from: Legbiter on December 22, 2015, 04:30:15 PM
Eh, with all the "safe space" whining, they seem to want segregation back.
That's true too.
Quote from: Martinus on December 22, 2015, 04:28:25 PM
Btw, this should make conservatives think: six month after the SCOTUS legalized gay marriage, you narry hear a peep from the gays.
Instead we hear about the transgendered.
I think that's a pretty good point Marty.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 22, 2015, 02:06:56 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 22, 2015, 09:14:14 AM
Isn't General Tso's chicken like the American version of actual Chinese food?
Not THE version. We eat other stuff too. My understanding is General Tso's is one of the dishes that Chinese invented in the US.
Taiwanese in NYC I think.
http://www.thesearchforgeneraltso.com/
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 22, 2015, 02:34:58 AM
Yes, I think that, at least in some areas, we are going backwards.
Huh. Perhaps only in the sense we white people are more aware of how racist some of our compatriots are now that they have the internet around. It seems to me things are moving forward everywhere.
Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2015, 01:34:28 AM
Huh. Perhaps only in the sense we white people are more aware of how racist some of our compatriots are now that they have the internet around. It seems to me things are moving forward everywhere.
The notion that this is only about the attitudes and opinions of "we white people" is part of the problem.
Reverse racism does not exist. :contract:
Students are some of the dumbest people in America. They should simply be ignored.
Quote from: The Brain on December 23, 2015, 04:02:02 AM
Students are some of the dumbest people in America. They should simply be ignored.
Yep.
Quote from: garbon on December 23, 2015, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 23, 2015, 04:02:02 AM
Students are some of the dumbest people in America. They should simply be ignored.
Yep.
And by extension a similar approach should be applied to people depending on how recently their completed their education. :smarty:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 22, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 22, 2015, 04:28:25 PM
Btw, this should make conservatives think: six month after the SCOTUS legalized gay marriage, you narry hear a peep from the gays.
Instead we hear about the transgendered.
True, but that's not "gays demanding more" per se. It would be more as if, after getting their political rights, black people demanded rights for another ethnic group. Or something like legal recognition of great ape personhood.
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
Or something like legal recognition of great ape personhood.
:XD:
Quote from: Ancient Demon on December 23, 2015, 03:04:37 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2015, 01:34:28 AM
Huh. Perhaps only in the sense we white people are more aware of how racist some of our compatriots are now that they have the internet around. It seems to me things are moving forward everywhere.
The notion that this is only about the attitudes and opinions of "we white people" is part of the problem.
I guess I thought Dick was referring to things like the UKIP and Trump so that is where I went.
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 22, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 22, 2015, 04:28:25 PM
Btw, this should make conservatives think: six month after the SCOTUS legalized gay marriage, you narry hear a peep from the gays.
Instead we hear about the transgendered.
True, but that's not "gays demanding more" per se. It would be more as if, after getting their political rights, black people demanded rights for another ethnic group. Or something like legal recognition of great ape personhood.
<_<
Quote from: garbon on December 22, 2015, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 22, 2015, 04:48:05 PM
I think that's a pretty good point Marty.
:hmm:
I can't help but think Marty's got the attitude, of "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".
Quote from: Razgovory on December 23, 2015, 01:17:41 PM
I can't help but think Marty's got the attitude, of "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".
Like a rich guy who decides to go all socialist? :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 23, 2015, 03:04:40 PM
Like a rich guy who decides to go all socialist? :P
Not like that at all.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 23, 2015, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 23, 2015, 01:17:41 PM
I can't help but think Marty's got the attitude, of "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".
Like a rich guy who decides to go all socialist? :P
:huh: That's like the opposite of what I was thinking.