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Of those I've only heard of Arians but have no opinion on them. Can you inform me which is the Jaron option?

Quote from: Liep on November 17, 2015, 07:45:45 PM
Of those I've only heard of Arians but have no opinion on them. Can you inform me which is the Jaron option?

Definitely the Borborites.

Missing the Adamites i.e celebrating the Mass naked and living naked in general, as well as Artotyrites: Eucharist with bread and cheese.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 17, 2015, 07:52:14 PM
Missing the Adamites i.e celebrating the Mass naked and living naked in general, as well as Artotyrites: Eucharist with bread and cheese.

I'd heard of the latter before but decided they were too minor to make the cut.  Never heard of the naked ancient Christian dudes though. :hmm:

Anyways, I've always been partial to my boy Marcion of Sinope. :cool:

I suppose one could add Gnostics and Cathars as well, though it's not exactly clear if the Cathars are the last hurrah of Gnostics or just some weird manicheans turned Christians.

Sethians are featured quite prominently in the Aubrey/Maturin series.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 17, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
Sethians are featured quite prominently in the Aubrey/Maturin series.

I wouldn't say "quite prominently", but yes they have a minor role in one of the 20 books (I've been re-reading them).

Quote from: Barrister on November 17, 2015, 09:00:59 PM
I wouldn't say "quite prominently", but yes they have a minor role in one of the 20 books (I've been re-reading them).

I thought it was more than one book, and while they're around Obrian won't shut up about them.

Wait...did the Arians come about after the time that the oceans drank Atlantis...or was that already in the age undreamed of?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 17, 2015, 09:04:56 PM

Quote from: Barrister on November 17, 2015, 09:00:59 PM
I wouldn't say "quite prominently", but yes they have a minor role in one of the 20 books (I've been re-reading them).

I thought it was more than one book, and while they're around Obrian won't shut up about them.

The Sethians are part of the Surprise's crew in the Letter of Marque.  There are a few different references to them, including a Rev Martin-as-narrator exposition on their beliefs.  They were briefly mentioned in the next book (Thirteen Gun Salute) and then nothing further IIRC (I'm on Nutmeg of Consolation at the moment).

It's kind of a weird poll if you don't include the types that actually survived.  Most of these are different flavors of gnostics.

Ebionites of course :unitarian:

Null vote. Pelagians.

Where are the Nestorians?

Quote from: PDH on November 17, 2015, 11:21:27 PM
Where are the Nestorians?

Not really an early sect. They didn't come along until after Constantine right?

Quite a few favourites there, but I ended up voting for Carpocratians. They knew how to party.

The foundations of the Mormon faith, which is definitely Christian, goes back to the time of ancient Israel. I think if you're going to include early Christian sects then it is fair to include Latter Day Saints.

 ^_^

Most languish thread ever.

Always had a soft spot for nestorians, but if they don't qualify then it's definitely the carpocratians (provided the tales of libertinism are correct and not libel from their rivals).

I stand with the Donatists. No quarter for those who renounce the faith! Also if you are condemned by Saint Augustine, you know you are doing something right.

Quote from: Caliga on November 17, 2015, 07:54:58 PM
Anyways, I've always been partial to my boy Marcion of Sinope. :cool:

I thought everyone in that part of the US was a fire and brimstone Old Testament type  :P

Quote from: crazy canuck on November 18, 2015, 08:10:03 AM
I thought everyone in that part of the US was a fire and brimstone Old Testament type  :P

You clearly haven't been listening. It's all Jesus this and Jesus that.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 18, 2015, 08:18:09 AM

Quote from: crazy canuck on November 18, 2015, 08:10:03 AM
I thought everyone in that part of the US was a fire and brimstone Old Testament type  :P

You clearly haven't been listening. It's all Jesus this and Jesus that.

With a good dose of Gays are teh Evil because the old testament tells me so

QuoteAnd it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Not a condemnation of homosexuality, exactly, but it is a positive assertion of heteronormativity.

ok, but that has nothing to do with all the bible thumpers citing the Old Testament to support their social conservatism.

The Testaments are generally in agreement regarding social conservative issues.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 18, 2015, 08:34:45 AM
The Testaments are generally in agreement regarding social conservative issues.

:huh:

Catharism.

Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2015, 11:29:03 PM

Quote from: PDH on November 17, 2015, 11:21:27 PM
Where are the Nestorians?

Not really an early sect. They didn't come along until after Constantine right?

I would say that any of the Roman sects/heresies should be here.  Nestorians are cool because they wandered off into unknown parts.

Quote from: Brazen on November 18, 2015, 08:39:08 AM
Catharism.

A bit of a late comer.  Although in the Gnostic tradition.

Quote from: Jaron on November 18, 2015, 02:15:13 AM
The foundations of the Mormon faith, which is definitely Christian, goes back to the time of ancient Israel. I think if you're going to include early Christian sects then it is fair to include Latter Day Saints.

:hug:

I omitted the Cathars because they're much too late for the period I was aiming for.  I probably should have clarified that I was thinking of pre-Council of Nicaea sects.

Quote from: Jaron on November 18, 2015, 02:15:13 AM
The foundations of the Mormon faith, which is definitely Christian, goes back to the time of ancient Israel. I think if you're going to include early Christian sects then it is fair to include Latter Day Saints.

:lol:

Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2015, 09:24:28 AM
I omitted the Cathars because they're much too late for the period I was aiming for.  I probably should have clarified that I was thinking of pre-Council of Nicaea sects.

Yeah if we are going to start picking groups like the Cathars we might as well be allowed to pick the Lutherans.

Quote from: celedhring on November 18, 2015, 04:37:24 AM
Always had a soft spot for nestorians, but if they don't qualify then it's definitely the carpocratians (provided the tales of libertinism are correct and not libel from their rivals).

Well, carpocratians seemed legit - I mean I know people who became virtually invisible after fucking everybody in their circle of friends...

Quote from: crazy canuck on November 18, 2015, 08:10:03 AM

Quote from: Caliga on November 17, 2015, 07:54:58 PM
Anyways, I've always been partial to my boy Marcion of Sinope. :cool:

I thought everyone in that part of the US was a fire and brimstone Old Testament type  :P

If I remember the Montanists correctly then the people you are thinking of are more like them.

"AH CAN SPEAK IN TONGUES CFJLFLHHLDHSHJSLLHXHCLLHD!!!!!"

Heh, this thread reminds me of when I was forced to take "Catholic lessons" with an old priest, in order to get married.

Turns out he was an enthusiast for early Christian sects, and that's what he felt comfortable talking about - once he learned I found his hobby interesting.

Not exactly sure that was what we were supposed to be doing ... but the "lessons" were a lot of fun and we parted best of friends.  :) Sadly, he passed away some time ago.  :(

Quote from: Malthus on November 19, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
Heh, this thread reminds me of when I was forced to take "Catholic lessons" with an old priest, in order to get married.

Turns out he was an enthusiast for early Christian sects, and that's what he felt comfortable talking about - once he learned I found his hobby interesting.

Not exactly sure that was what we were supposed to be doing ... but the "lessons" were a lot of fun and we parted best of friends.  :) Sadly, he passed away some time ago.  :(

Are you me? :wacko:

I had to do the same to get married by an Episcopal priest, and he enjoyed speaking to me about ancient Latin prose.  We had a good laugh or two about Suetonius's tabloid journalism. :cool:

He even gave me a Eucharist tray inscribed in Latin.  Not sure if he was 'allowed' to, but I still have it and consider it a prized possession.

He too died several years back.  RIP Father Joe. :(

Quote from: Caliga on November 19, 2015, 10:59:12 AM

Quote from: Malthus on November 19, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
Heh, this thread reminds me of when I was forced to take "Catholic lessons" with an old priest, in order to get married.

Turns out he was an enthusiast for early Christian sects, and that's what he felt comfortable talking about - once he learned I found his hobby interesting.

Not exactly sure that was what we were supposed to be doing ... but the "lessons" were a lot of fun and we parted best of friends.  :) Sadly, he passed away some time ago.  :(

Are you me? :wacko:

I had to do the same to get married by an Episcopal priest, and he enjoyed speaking to me about ancient Latin prose.  We had a good laugh or two about Suetonius's tabloid journalism. :cool:

He even gave me a Eucharist tray inscribed in Latin.  Not sure if he was 'allowed' to, but I still have it and consider it a prized possession.

He too died several years back.  RIP Father Joe. :(

Heh, I would have assumed this experience was so odd, that few others would have it.  :lol:

Oh well, I'll still have the time I was first introduced to my wife's parents ... only to read on their table while waiting for dinner a nasty religious screed about how "the Jews" tortured Jesus by stuffing his mouth with turds. "Hi, I'm your daughter's new boyfriend ... the Jew".  :)

Best part: it was a rosary diary, with each page a separate day - and the corners turned down to show you'd done the meditation that day. So I knew her parents had read (indeed, meditated) on that visual image - Jews stuffing turds into Jesus' mouth - that very day.  :D

Pretty sure few others have faced that ...

Jeez, and I thought Polish catholics were weird...

Quote from: Malthus on November 19, 2015, 11:25:59 AM
Pretty sure few others have faced that ...

Good thing you Jews have a good sense of humor.

You're sure they didn't fed you turds in the food?

Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Jeez, and I thought Polish catholics were weird...

I guess it was a product of having to expand the stations of the cross - in that the writers of the diary wanted a *different* nasty thing to happen to Jesus, one for every day of the year. Since the actual Bible doesn't actually record 365 nasty things done to Jesus, they had to get ... creative.  :D

Quote from: Valmy on November 19, 2015, 04:10:53 PM

Quote from: Malthus on November 19, 2015, 11:25:59 AM
Pretty sure few others have faced that ...

Good thing you Jews have a good sense of humor.

Heh - the odd part is, I got along with them perfectly fine, and still do.  ;)

That wasn't the end of the religious oddities.

Another time, we were at her house, her parents were out, we'd shut the bedroom door (she was at university but still used 'her room' on occasion), and were, as it were, making out - no clothes off mind, but still.

All of a sudden, the door pops open - and in jumps a priest, in full regalia, embroidered robes and all. I hadn't heard him coming into the house. In fact, the front door was locked!

He sees me, flummoxed, still in an embrace - and I see a maniacal grin on his face, as he spots his target ... us (specifically, me). He was holding some sort of metal tool (or, I thought, weapon) in his hand. He swung it, hard, right at my head ... and out of the end shoots a stream of water, that hits me right in the face!

I said something intelligent, like 'gaaahh'.  :lol:

Without a work, the priest pops back out of the door and shuts it behind him.

I am then informed that this is a ceremony that takes place every year - that the priest visits your house and sprinkles holy water in every room. Her parents, who knew the priest well, gave him a copy of the key and told him to just let himself in (he had many houses to do and they were not sure when they would be in). Naturally, seeing us there, he took the opportunity to have a little fun at our expense - particularly when he saw what we were up to. :lol:

You got the spray bottle treatment lol

Quote from: HVC on November 19, 2015, 04:51:54 PM
You got the spray bottle treatment lol

Basically, yes.  ;)

But it wasn't a bottle, more of a metal thingy like a short club with holes in a ball at the end of it. Looked at first sight like something to bash someone with.  :lol:

Edit: I googled - it is called an "aspergillum". Learn something new every day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergillum

Yeah it's a common tool of trade. You use it to spray holy water. Maybe he was hoping you'd burst into flames. :P

I remember those. And the incense version too.

Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
Yeah it's a common tool of trade. You use it to spray holy water. Maybe he was hoping you'd burst into flames. :P

Well, I have to admit, from what I remember it certainly killed the mood. ;)