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Title: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
No more Nigger Lake or Nigger River in Quebec.  The Toponimy Board will change their name to something more adequate to our modern times.
French text (http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/09/25/la-commission-de-toponymie-retire-les-mots-negre-et-nigger-de-onze-lieux_n_8198204.html)

I was unaware we had such places named like these.  They say some had historical meaning, but la Rivière du nègre (Nigger River) was likely named as such because its water is colored, muddier than other rivers.

While I'm usually against silly name changes, I think in this case it's a good thing.  We ain't in the 19th century anymore, after all.  The n word has become pejorative over time, it's no longer neutral.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 25, 2015, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd236bkdxj385sg.cloudfront.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F12%2Fblack-girl-frown1.png&hash=7b7af4775f470512b58bce40ab006fe8babb1287)
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 25, 2015, 05:05:04 PM
Sometimes a picture is not worth a thousand words.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 25, 2015, 05:15:20 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd236bkdxj385sg.cloudfront.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F07%2Fblack-woman-frowning-at-black-man.jpg&hash=4df811a37e961a6e40025c1592a00a1c812596d2)
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on September 25, 2015, 05:35:38 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flaurbanroundtable.typepad.com%2Fphotos%2Funcategorized%2Ftenniepierce.jpg&hash=073e272ee68781d1591c2a4a2e92ec9812875c8b)
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Tonitrus on September 25, 2015, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 25, 2015, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd236bkdxj385sg.cloudfront.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F12%2Fblack-girl-frown1.png&hash=7b7af4775f470512b58bce40ab006fe8babb1287)

But MLK used it!  :(
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Jaron on September 25, 2015, 05:47:12 PM
For years I thought Eddie was black. Recently I learned he just likes to pretend online for the chicks.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 25, 2015, 05:50:16 PM
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on September 25, 2015, 05:35:38 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flaurbanroundtable.typepad.com%2Fphotos%2Funcategorized%2Ftenniepierce.jpg&hash=073e272ee68781d1591c2a4a2e92ec9812875c8b)

God, can't even be original.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Fd682e3220cfb023dcaec766997042815%2Ftumblr_mlb5xtbSv41ql5yr7o1_500.gif&hash=834df21e22c15baa52d43834511cbdd7f3e2a8b9)
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 25, 2015, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 25, 2015, 05:47:12 PM
For years I thought Eddie was black. Recently I learned he just likes to pretend online for the chicks.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.acidcow.com%2Fpics%2F20100217%2Fgrizzly_bear_fight_01.jpg&hash=54754cea2bd738450815f610d5abe590cd4e10f7)
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 25, 2015, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 25, 2015, 05:47:12 PM
For years I thought Eddie was black. Recently I learned he just likes to pretend online for the chicks.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.acidcow.com%2Fpics%2F20100217%2Fgrizzly_bear_fight_01.jpg&hash=54754cea2bd738450815f610d5abe590cd4e10f7)

Roaring bears. Next?
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 25, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
Do you have a request?
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 25, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
'Bears' roaring.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 25, 2015, 06:28:54 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/14/b1/4b/14b14bdd72bd8563dd8a13996a4cd521.jpg)
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 25, 2015, 06:30:04 PM
I see only evidence of one. :(
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: The Brain on September 25, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
Asia should get rid of their paddies. :mad:
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".
There is no distinction in French.  Nègre could be nigger or negro.  If you call someone "un ostie de nègre" that would be "a fucking nigger".  In the times of the New France and early British colonial empire it might have meant something else (there wasn't many black slaves here, we did not require a lot of them like the Southern British & Antillian French colonies, so I never really paid attention - now where is Oexmelin when we need him??), but today, a "nègre" is really the equivalent of "nigger".
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 25, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 25, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
Asia should get rid of their paddies. :mad:

So should America.
/derspiess
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: alfred russel on September 25, 2015, 06:51:01 PM
Quote from: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
No more Nigger Lake or Nigger River in Quebec.  The Toponimy Board will change their name to something more adequate to our modern times.
French text (http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/09/25/la-commission-de-toponymie-retire-les-mots-negre-et-nigger-de-onze-lieux_n_8198204.html)

I was unaware we had such places named like these.  They say some had historical meaning, but la Rivière du nègre (Nigger River) was likely named as such because its water is colored, muddier than other rivers.

While I'm usually against silly name changes, I think in this case it's a good thing.  We ain't in the 19th century anymore, after all.  The n word has become pejorative over time, it's no longer neutral.

So words pejorative in toponyms are cool in thread titles?  :hmm:
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 25, 2015, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".
There is no distinction in French.  Nègre could be nigger or negro.  If you call someone "un ostie de nègre" that would be "a fucking nigger".  In the times of the New France and early British colonial empire it might have meant something else (there wasn't many black slaves here, we did not require a lot of them like the Southern British & Antillian French colonies, so I never really paid attention - now where is Oexmelin when we need him??), but today, a "nègre" is really the equivalent of "nigger".

Maybe in Québec, but the most offensive in French is definitively négro. Négre is old-fashioned, à la negro, but at the same time derogatory though it has lost some of its bite since some black intellectuals like Senghor or Aimé Césaire tried to reclaim it with, along with the négritude. I'd say avoid nègre but if you want to use a real insulting and racist word then it's négro time.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: viper37 on September 26, 2015, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 25, 2015, 06:51:01 PM
So words pejorative in toponyms are cool in thread titles?  :hmm:
Only on Languish.  This our way ;)
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: viper37 on September 26, 2015, 12:44:44 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 25, 2015, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".
There is no distinction in French.  Nègre could be nigger or negro.  If you call someone "un ostie de nègre" that would be "a fucking nigger".  In the times of the New France and early British colonial empire it might have meant something else (there wasn't many black slaves here, we did not require a lot of them like the Southern British & Antillian French colonies, so I never really paid attention - now where is Oexmelin when we need him??), but today, a "nègre" is really the equivalent of "nigger".

Maybe in Québec, but the most offensive in French is definitively négro. Négre is old-fashioned, à la negro, but at the same time derogatory though it has lost some of its bite since some black intellectuals like Senghor or Aimé Césaire tried to reclaim it with, along with the négritude. I'd say avoid nègre but if you want to use a real insulting and racist word then it's négro time.
Never heard anyone use the word négro here. 
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Martinus on September 26, 2015, 01:16:11 AM
Quote from: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".
There is no distinction in French.  Nègre could be nigger or negro.  If you call someone "un ostie de nègre" that would be "a fucking nigger".  In the times of the New France and early British colonial empire it might have meant something else (there wasn't many black slaves here, we did not require a lot of them like the Southern British & Antillian French colonies, so I never really paid attention - now where is Oexmelin when we need him??), but today, a "nègre" is really the equivalent of "nigger".

I think the point is that if the place was called "Negro Lake" and not "Nigger Lake" (in English), it may have been seen as less offensive...
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 26, 2015, 05:52:40 AM
Quote from: viper37 on September 26, 2015, 12:44:44 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 25, 2015, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".
There is no distinction in French.  Nègre could be nigger or negro.  If you call someone "un ostie de nègre" that would be "a fucking nigger".  In the times of the New France and early British colonial empire it might have meant something else (there wasn't many black slaves here, we did not require a lot of them like the Southern British & Antillian French colonies, so I never really paid attention - now where is Oexmelin when we need him??), but today, a "nègre" is really the equivalent of "nigger".

Maybe in Québec, but the most offensive in French is definitively négro. Négre is old-fashioned, à la negro, but at the same time derogatory though it has lost some of its bite since some black intellectuals like Senghor or Aimé Césaire tried to reclaim it with, along with the négritude. I'd say avoid nègre but if you want to use a real insulting and racist word then it's négro time.
Never heard anyone use the word négro here.

Try Le Roi Heenok. :)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roi_Heenok (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roi_Heenok)

Some "great" videos of him on youtube :D
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: viper37 on September 26, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2015, 01:16:11 AM
Quote from: viper37 on September 25, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Google translates nègre as negro. Which may be considered offensive by some, but is definitely not the "n word".
There is no distinction in French.  Nègre could be nigger or negro.  If you call someone "un ostie de nègre" that would be "a fucking nigger".  In the times of the New France and early British colonial empire it might have meant something else (there wasn't many black slaves here, we did not require a lot of them like the Southern British & Antillian French colonies, so I never really paid attention - now where is Oexmelin when we need him??), but today, a "nègre" is really the equivalent of "nigger".

I think the point is that if the place was called "Negro Lake" and not "Nigger Lake" (in English), it may have been seen as less offensive...
I understood the point, but the words used were both Nigger (Rocher Nigger (Rock)) and Nègre (Rivière du Nègre, Lac du Nègre).
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: viper37 on September 26, 2015, 10:53:31 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 26, 2015, 05:52:40 AM
Try Le Roi Heenok. :)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roi_Heenok (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roi_Heenok)

Some "great" videos of him on youtube :D

rap...  :bash:
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 26, 2015, 11:30:26 AM
Quote from: viper37 on September 26, 2015, 10:53:31 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 26, 2015, 05:52:40 AM
Try Le Roi Heenok. :)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roi_Heenok (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roi_Heenok)

Some "great" videos of him on youtube :D

rap...  :bash:

A "music" genre notorious for its use of the word nigger or négro in "French" rap.  :P
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: grumbler on September 26, 2015, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: viper37 on September 26, 2015, 12:44:44 AM
Never heard anyone use the word négro here.
They were too polite to say it to your face.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: derspiess on September 26, 2015, 07:29:49 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 25, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
Asia should get rid of their paddies. :mad:

So should America.
/derspiess

No shit.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Jaron on September 27, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
In French, do they use nigger for every reference to 'black' ?

Like:

Man 1: Why are you wearing nigger colors today?
Man 2: My wife just died.

Is that a thing?
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 27, 2015, 02:42:47 PM
I hate you. :lol:
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2015, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 27, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
In French, do they use nigger for every reference to 'black' ?

Like:

Man 1: Why are you wearing nigger colors today?
Man 2: My wife just died.

Is that a thing?

It's not a thing.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Rex Francorum on September 27, 2015, 07:39:55 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 27, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
In French, do they use nigger for every reference to 'black' ?

Like:

Man 1: Why are you wearing nigger colors today?
Man 2: My wife just died.

Is that a thing?

We will say "why are you wearing black colors today".
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: viper37 on September 28, 2015, 12:47:41 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 27, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
In French, do they use nigger for every reference to 'black' ?

Like:

Man 1: Why are you wearing nigger colors today?
Man 2: My wife just died.

Is that a thing?
no, not really.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Martinus on September 28, 2015, 01:25:51 AM
What exactly are "black colours"? Is that some sort of a gang thing?
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 28, 2015, 04:26:28 AM
Quote from: viper37 on September 28, 2015, 12:47:41 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 27, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
In French, do they use nigger for every reference to 'black' ?

Like:

Man 1: Why are you wearing nigger colors today?
Man 2: My wife just died.

Is that a thing?
no, not really.

I thought Jaron was not serious but if he was, generally black = noir. Though the PC police is starting to resent the term.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: katmai on September 28, 2015, 04:32:27 AM
if anyone ever thinks jaron is being serious, well that is their first mistake.
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: Jaron on September 28, 2015, 04:59:49 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 28, 2015, 04:32:27 AM
if anyone ever thinks jaron is being serious, well that is their first mistake.

:ike:
Title: Re: No more Nigger for Quebec
Post by: garbon on September 28, 2015, 07:50:12 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 28, 2015, 04:59:49 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 28, 2015, 04:32:27 AM
if anyone ever thinks jaron is being serious, well that is their first mistake.

:ike:

Fair though. ;)