http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/11/motorists-alerted-ban-smoking-cars-prevent-surge-fines
QuoteMotorists and passengers in England and Wales are being warned they will soon be breaking the law if they smoke in a vehicle carrying a person under 18. From 1 October, they face fixed penalty fines of £50 – with drivers at risk of being fined twice if they have failed to stop a passenger smoking and are smoking themselves.
The Department of Health is stepping up publicity to increase awareness of the new rules seven weeks before they are introduced to prevent a surge in fines.
The chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, said: "Children breathe faster than adults so they are much more exposed to the dangers of second-hand smoke. Their airways, lungs and immune systems are still developing so are much more at risk from harm.
"We want children to grow up free from harm and we need parents to understand why smoking in vehicles is so dangerous. 80% of smoke is invisible so even if you think you are being careful you cannot see where the smoke is going."
Jane Ellison, a health minister, said: "Research has shown that around a third of children who are exposed to smoke in vehicles don't feel able to ask the person to stop because they feel frightened or embarrassed. We want all children to grow up free from the burden of disease that tobacco brings."
The government says surveys suggest about a third of children – 3 million – are exposed to smoke in vehicles. Officials also believe about 200 children a week visit GPs because of the effect of second-hand smoke in cars.
The exposure to toxins could result in diseases such as bronchitis, pneumonia, meningitis and cancer, they say.
Fixed penalty notices can already be issued for breaches of bans on smoking in enclosed public places, while smoking in work vehicles and on public transport is already banned. But the new health measures potentially represent a big extension of the powers of police and of staff working for local authorities.
Private cars, except convertibles and coupes with their roofs fully down and stowed, will have to be smoke free if they carry anyone else but the driver. Smoking in a car with an open sunroof will still render adults liable to fines if there are under-18s aboard, though a 17-year-old who is smoking alone in a private vehicle will not be committing an offence.
Sitting in the open doorway of an enclosed vehicle is also covered by the legislation. The new rules do not cover e-cigarette use and will only apply to motorhomes, campervans and caravans when they are being used as vehicles, not when they are being used as living spaces.
Good thing.
I think it is awfully polite that they are reminding everyone that this will be going into effect.
Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2015, 09:32:14 AM
I think it is awfully polite that they are reminding everyone that this will be going into effect.
:huh:
If the policy objective is to stop the behavior, why wouldn't they warn about it?
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 09, 2015, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2015, 09:32:14 AM
I think it is awfully polite that they are reminding everyone that this will be going into effect.
:huh:
If the policy objective is to stop the behavior, why wouldn't they warn about it?
to flood their coffers with fine money?
:yes:
Should people smoke alone? Doesn't sound very healthy.
When I smoke alone, I prefer to be by myself.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 09, 2015, 03:33:38 PM
When I smoke alone, I prefer to be by myself.
When I'm alone, I'm smoking hott. :cool:
what's the research on permanent damage from second hand smoke in short intervals? honest question - the only stories i've ever heard involve employees working for decades in a smoke environment.
if there is no permanent damage from short intervals, then why ban it? obesity has to cause greater societal harm at this point than smoking. so few people smoke that this feels like beating a dying horse.
Few people smoke in the UK? :huh:
Yeah, even mongers smokes according to his last post.
Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2015, 07:17:02 PM
Few people smoke in the UK? :huh:
i assumed people smoke about as little in the UK as those in the US. just looked it up, and the UK has only a slightly higher percentage.
Quote from: LaCroix on September 09, 2015, 05:56:26 PM
what's the research on permanent damage from second hand smoke in short intervals? honest question - the only stories i've ever heard involve employees working for decades in a smoke environment.
if there is no permanent damage from short intervals, then why ban it? obesity has to cause greater societal harm at this point than smoking. so few people smoke that this feels like beating a dying horse.
smoking is way worse for your health than run of the mill obesity.
Quote from: Fate on September 09, 2015, 07:59:11 PMsmoking is way worse for your health than run of the mill obesity.
i didn't say otherwise
I'm glad my life got to be at least half over (and maybe more!) before the nanny state took over.
Quote from: Fate on September 09, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on September 09, 2015, 05:56:26 PM
what's the research on permanent damage from second hand smoke in short intervals? honest question - the only stories i've ever heard involve employees working for decades in a smoke environment.
if there is no permanent damage from short intervals, then why ban it? obesity has to cause greater societal harm at this point than smoking. so few people smoke that this feels like beating a dying horse.
smoking is way worse for your health than run of the mill obesity.
On an individual basis sure...but as an overall public health problem, maybe obesity has overtaken smoking?
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 09, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: Fate on September 09, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on September 09, 2015, 05:56:26 PM
what's the research on permanent damage from second hand smoke in short intervals? honest question - the only stories i've ever heard involve employees working for decades in a smoke environment.
if there is no permanent damage from short intervals, then why ban it? obesity has to cause greater societal harm at this point than smoking. so few people smoke that this feels like beating a dying horse.
smoking is way worse for your health than run of the mill obesity.
On an individual basis sure...but as an overall public health problem, maybe obesity has overtaken smoking?
Certainly it's possible in aggregate. There are way more obese people than smokers in the US. Globally though, smoking by far is the greater cause of preventable mortality of the two.
Smoking is easy to avoid. Eating is not :blush:
I'm always bemused when I pass people who're smoking whilst driving, firstly the revenue on gas means they might be paying 1 pound in tax for every 10 miles they drive, plus the duty/revenue on a 20-pack of cigarettes is now approaching 5 pounds. :bleeding:
It's like they're publicly stating they wish to die poor and doubly trying to bring that about by both smoking and trying to operate fast moving machine with often just one hand. :hmm:
QuoteResearch has shown that around a third of children who are exposed to smoke in vehicles don't feel able to ask the person to stop because they feel frightened or embarrassed.
:bleeding: