Jesus, get moving people this is the thread.
BTW, fuck the Broncos.
What a dumbass thread title. No verve, no panache.
Yi always the critic.
Anyways Niners had worse off season ever?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 16, 2015, 08:12:08 PM
What a dumbass thread title. No verve, no panache.
But it has authenticity.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 16, 2015, 08:12:08 PM
What a dumbass thread title. No verve, no panache.
I am not about verve, I am about the cold, hard truth.
CdM gave us a topical and funny thread title every week. Now we get one unfunny thread title for the entire year?
Quote from: alfred russel on August 16, 2015, 08:25:33 PM
CdM gave us a topical and funny thread title every week. Now we get one unfunny thread title for the entire year?
No shit. If we were willing to settle for this kind of pap we could have gotten a bald accountant to do the job instead of some hoity-toity HAZMAT stuffed shirt.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 16, 2015, 08:49:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 16, 2015, 08:25:33 PM
CdM gave us a topical and funny thread title every week. Now we get one unfunny thread title for the entire year?
No shit. If we were willing to settle for this kind of pap we could have gotten a bald accountant to do the job instead of some hoity-toity HAZMAT stuffed shirt.
Fuck you.
Wow.
Just wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zerCjxd9OgQ
This thread so far...
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Fuck you.
So, besides the Jets, which other teams would benefit from having one of their linebackers break their starting QB's face?
Hmm. It occurs to me that Buffalo might be in that category. Maybe that's why Ryan signed IK.
QuoteIt's a torn ACL for #Panthers WR Kelvin Benjamin
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/634114996918702080
I'm flying to Tampa for the Monday night game. I have to use a still capture system I've never used before and will probably get yelled at by coaches.
OH MY GOD SOME NFL PLAYERS DIP
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463209/nfl-smokeless-tobacco-habit-too-not-just-baseball
Hey Clowney supposedly actually practiced without pain, so that's a thing (for now).
Quote from: derspiess on August 20, 2015, 01:17:08 PM
OH MY GOD SOME NFL PLAYERS DIP
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463209/nfl-smokeless-tobacco-habit-too-not-just-baseball
Now all children are going to start dipping :weep:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 20, 2015, 07:51:04 PM
Hey Clowney supposedly actually practiced without pain, so that's a thing (for now).
Way to jinx him MBM.
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 07:43:10 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 20, 2015, 01:17:08 PM
OH MY GOD SOME NFL PLAYERS DIP
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463209/nfl-smokeless-tobacco-habit-too-not-just-baseball
Now all children are going to start dipping :weep:
The one good thing about the article is that it had a link to the Earl Campbell Skoal commercial. I had totally forgotten about that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20nALZkx5SU
RG3 has a concussion. The Lions were really beating on him:
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Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 07:43:27 AM
Way to jinx him MBM.
Pfft like he needs my help in that department.
Damn Lions. I know people don't like the guy but it is still pre-season.
RG3's career needs to end soon for his own body's sake.
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:04:40 AM
Damn Lions. I know people don't like the guy but it is still pre-season.
RG3's career needs to end soon for his own body's sake.
It would help if he actually had an offensive line blocking pass rushers for him. :P
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 21, 2015, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:04:40 AM
Damn Lions. I know people don't like the guy but it is still pre-season.
RG3's career needs to end soon for his own body's sake.
It would help if he actually had an offensive line blocking pass rushers for him. :P
That was a delayed blitz. The line was holding fine.
https://youtu.be/3eVF9uBbuqc
#maddenseason
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 02:24:19 PM
That was a delayed blitz. The line was holding fine.
Yeah. That's on 3. You might take that hit for the completion in the playoffs, but definitely not pre-season.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2015, 03:43:03 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 02:24:19 PM
That was a delayed blitz. The line was holding fine.
Yeah. That's on 3. You might take that hit for the completion in the playoffs, but definitely not pre-season.
I get the sentiment, but it is probably hard to develop multiple speeds of playing depending on the importance of the game. I've heard players say the only way to approach playing in the preseason is to go full speed, because playing timid just gets you hurt.
Now I realize this is not completely apples to apples since we are talking 2s on 2s and 3s on 3s but neither of Washington's other QBs were sacked that game. RG3 just attracts hits.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 03:47:27 PM
I get the sentiment, but it is probably hard to develop multiple speeds of playing depending on the importance of the game. I've heard players say the only way to approach playing in the preseason is to go full speed, because playing timid just gets you hurt.
Perhaps this is splitting a hair, but that hit wasn't a function of speed, it was about stepping into a throw instead of ducking, juking, or assuming the fetal. It's the same kind of judgement used when they throw the ball OB instead of taking a sack.
Got home at 4am this morning. Was in the office at 7:30am. Was gonna take today off but I have like five meetings scheduled.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on August 22, 2015, 01:37:30 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2015, 07:18:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on August 16, 2015, 10:51:14 PM
Fuck you, Directory Boy
Can I be: Paul Barras?
Since you can't be Bonaparte, yes. :frog:
Sweet. Nobody enjoyed the French Revolution like Barras did and then he got to retire to live thirty years in decadent luxury.
Quote from: derspiess on August 25, 2015, 08:28:56 AM
Got home at 4am this morning. Was in the office at 7:30am. Was gonna take today off but I have like five meetings scheduled.
i saw the late ass check in at airport this morning. How went the job down Tampa way?
My LLFL team looks pretty decent. :)
Quote from: katmai on August 25, 2015, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 25, 2015, 08:28:56 AM
Got home at 4am this morning. Was in the office at 7:30am. Was gonna take today off but I have like five meetings scheduled.
i saw the late ass check in at airport this morning. How went the job down Tampa way?
I did my job without getting yelled at. Not that it helped much.
Quote from: derspiess on August 26, 2015, 06:55:14 AM
Quote from: katmai on August 25, 2015, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 25, 2015, 08:28:56 AM
Got home at 4am this morning. Was in the office at 7:30am. Was gonna take today off but I have like five meetings scheduled.
i saw the late ass check in at airport this morning. How went the job down Tampa way?
I did my job without getting yelled at. Not that it helped much.
This describes 99% of my life. :D
A Redskiins fan's closet:
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Meanwhile, in Cleveland:
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What desperate loser got a Kirk Cousins jersey?
I have two Redskins Jersey. John Riggins and Art Monk baby. There actually should be a rule that only players from the 80s are allowed to have their jerseys sold.
Browns signed Blue Hen alum Pat Devlin. Would be nice to somehow see him start against Flacco in a game.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2015, 09:43:06 PM
My LLFL team looks pretty decent. :)
My season is over in the pre-season. <_<
Ryan Mallett overslept and missed practice. Dumbass.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2015, 12:13:57 PM
What desperate loser got a Kirk Cousins jersey?
I have two Redskins Jersey. John Riggins and Art Monk baby. There actually should be a rule that only players from the 80s are allowed to have their jerseys sold.
I don't care what rules you pass, I will never give up my Ron Mexico jersey. :P
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 27, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
Ryan Mallett overslept and missed practice. Dumbass.
I was going to call him a loser, but then I remembered that today I slept in a bit and was late for a meeting, and I do this about once a week.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 27, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 27, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
Ryan Mallett overslept and missed practice. Dumbass.
I was going to call him a loser, but then I remembered that today I slept in a bit and was late for a meeting, and I do this about once a week.
Yeah, but he probably has a lot more on the line than you do. This is just something you do not do in the NFL. Ever.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 27, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
I don't care what rules you pass, I will never give up my Ron Mexico jersey. :P
That rule only applies to Redskins jerseys :P
Any future Hall of Fame QBs in the current crop?
So, the judge gives Brady a grand slam win in "deflategate," as I predicted.
QuoteBerman, in a 40-page decision that found several "significant legal deficiencies" in the N.F.L. case, ruled that Brady was not treated fairly and could not be suspended for deflating footballs because he was not aware such misconduct could lead to the kind of punishment he received...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/sports/football/tom-brady-suspension-deflategate.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/sports/football/tom-brady-suspension-deflategate.html)
And this was with the NFL head office's chosen judge. A regular judge would have suspended Goodell for four games. How much longer are the owners going to tolerate even a stooge commissioner when he looks so bad, so often?
I know. Everybody pretty much hates Goodell. I mean not as much as CdM hated his predecessor.
Quote from: grumbler on September 03, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
So, the judge gives Brady a grand slam win in "deflategate," as I predicted.
QuoteBerman, in a 40-page decision that found several "significant legal deficiencies" in the N.F.L. case, ruled that Brady was not treated fairly and could not be suspended for deflating footballs because he was not aware such misconduct could lead to the kind of punishment he received...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/sports/football/tom-brady-suspension-deflategate.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/sports/football/tom-brady-suspension-deflategate.html)
And this was with the NFL head office's chosen judge. A regular judge would have suspended Goodell for four games. How much longer are the owners going to tolerate even a stooge commissioner when he looks so bad, so often?
Yeah, I liked his reasoning, it was solid.
The balls were deflated.
Brady knew it.
Brady interfered with the investigation.
But since Brady did not know he could be suspended for this, then the suspension cannot stand.
A slam dunk result for Pats fans everywhere.
You did some nice and well timed editing of the piece their grumblers. Here is the full sentence:
QuoteBerman, in a 40-page decision that found several "significant legal deficiencies" in the N.F.L. case, ruled that Brady was not treated fairly and could not be suspended for deflating footballs because he was not aware such misconduct could lead to the kind of punishment he received.
So this ruling is simply that Brady is not allowed to be suspended for being a cheater - not that he isn't a cheater.
I was glad he cheated but he should have admitted it and been suspended. For two games. Like in a sane NFL.
Now I want you to keep on cheating Brady but denying it was not cool. Nobody really gives a damn about slightly inflating balls. Just like nobody is booting Jerry Rice out of the Hall of Fame for stickum. Football games are not won or lost on that shit, but I appreciate the effort.
You only say that because you hate the Pats.
So "I didn't know I could be punished for this" is a valid defense now?
Quote from: Syt on September 03, 2015, 04:30:18 PM
So "I didn't know I could be punished for this" is a valid defense now?
In our legal system, there are laws that list out forbidden activities, and associated punishments. Ignorance of those laws isn't considered a defense, but the NFL rules don't mirror our legal system. If you don't have a rule with an associated punishment in the rulebook, and you don't have precedent to let people know the general penalties you want to impose for breaking the rule, then why shouldn't it be a valid defense?
Quote from: alfred russel on September 03, 2015, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 03, 2015, 04:30:18 PM
So "I didn't know I could be punished for this" is a valid defense now?
In our legal system, there are laws that list out forbidden activities, and associated punishments. Ignorance of those laws isn't considered a defense, but the NFL rules don't mirror our legal system. If you don't have a rule with an associated punishment in the rulebook, and you don't have precedent to let people know the general penalties you want to impose for breaking the rule, then why shouldn't it be a valid defense?
Actually, within reason, it should.
I don't really have any problem with this ruling per se - it is basically saying that yeah, Bradya nd the Pats are a bunch of cheaters, but the NFL fucked up and didn't spell out how being a cheating piece of shit can be punished (or not), so they violated what amounts to a private contract between the NFL and the players union.
That is unfortunate, in that it is just going to encourage more cheating, but from the standpoint of the legal finding, it seems pretty reasonable, and consistent.
What is really sad is how people will use this as some kind of exoneration of cheating and then lying about it. And even that is understandable - few people are capable of objective reasoning when it comes to their heroes.
Personally, I always admired Brady as a guy who did things the right way - hyper-competitive, tough, smart, and dedicated. As a kind of half-assed Pats fan (just because they ended up with a couple great Arizona players) that was cool. But certainly he isn't anyone one can admire for doing things the right way anymore.
Quote from: Berkut on September 03, 2015, 04:04:42 PM
Yeah, I liked his reasoning, it was solid.
The balls were deflated.
There is no evidence that the deflation of the balls was due to any cause other than the deflation expected under the Ideal Gas Law. The Colts balls deflated in the cold, as well.
Besides, the ball deflation scenario set out by Wells is impossible. One man precisely deflating 12 footballs in 58 seconds in a tiny bathroom? Not possible, especially when four people couldn't even
measure more than 14 footballs in 15 minutes.
QuoteBrady knew it.
There is absolutely no evidence of this.
QuoteBrady interfered with the investigation.
This is a flat-out fabrication. Brady did the minimum he could to help the Wells witchunt, true, but he provided Wells with all the knowledge Wells needed, and Wells refused to use it. Brady met with Wells every time he was requested to, and answered every one of Wells's questions.
QuoteBut since Brady did not know he could be suspended for this, then the suspension cannot stand.
Goodell cannot make up his own system of justice, true. Ex post facto doesn't work in a court of law.
QuoteA slam dunk result for Pats fans everywhere.
Also a slam dunk result for fans of justice everywhere.
QuoteYou did some nice and well timed editing of the piece their grumblers. Here is the full sentence:
QuoteBerman, in a 40-page decision that found several "significant legal deficiencies" in the N.F.L. case, ruled that Brady was not treated fairly and could not be suspended for deflating footballs because he was not aware such misconduct could lead to the kind of punishment he received.
I directly quoted the article, changing not a word. Even
your quote is identical to mine. Why are you lying about some fictional "editing?" Can't you just eat your crow honestly?
QuoteSo this ruling is simply that Brady is not allowed to be suspended for being a cheater - not that he isn't a cheater./quote]
The case wasn't about some fictional "cheating," it was about whether Brady received due process in the arbitration procedure. He didn't, to the point that Judge Berman, even though he tried his best to get Goodell to realize how moronic he was being and settle the suit, had to simply toss out Goodell's kangaroo justice.
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2015, 04:13:01 PM
I was glad he cheated but he should have admitted it and been suspended. For two games. Like in a sane NFL.
Now I want you to keep on cheating Brady but denying it was not cool. Nobody really gives a damn about slightly inflating balls. Just like nobody is booting Jerry Rice out of the Hall of Fame for stickum. Football games are not won or lost on that shit, but I appreciate the effort.
There isn't even any evidence that any cheating occurred, let alone that Brady cheated.
Valmy, why don't you just admit that you, not Craig James, killed those five hookers at SMU? Denying it isn't cool.
Quote from: Syt on September 03, 2015, 04:30:18 PM
So "I didn't know I could be punished for this" is a valid defense now?
Yes. Unless something is an offense according to league rules, it isn't an offense, and you can't be punished for it.
I will admit that the tears of the Languish Pats-haters are delicious. I'm not Pats fan, but I love seeing blind partisans weep.
I was kind of interested in seeing how that kid Garoppolo was going to do.
Glorious Victory! :punk:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-arrogance-of-roger-goodell-215731603.html
Quote
The arrogance of Roger Goodell
Yahoo Sports By Dan Wetzel 57 minutes ago
Deflate-gate was a case born of ignorance and lost through arrogance.
There was so much arrogance that Roger Goodell was sitting there in April – after New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft conceded defeat, two draft picks, a million bucks and incalculable prestige – and the commissioner still couldn't resist pushing for more.
A pound of Patriots flesh wasn't enough. He had to get one from Tom Brady too and now, after getting slapped around Thursday by U.S. District Court Judge Richard M. Berman, it's Goodell who is the one walking out of here wounded and Brady gliding into the season as some kind of unsuspended martyr.
Oh, Roger had it all in his hands back in May. Kraft magnanimously/foolishly dropped the threat of litigation for the good of the NFL. He accepted the Wells report as fact, indefinitely suspended two locker room attendants and was just going to hope time heals all reputations. It was a terrible move; one Kraft himself has admitted was a mistake and even apologized for.
All Goodell had to do was the gentlemanly thing, the thing Kraft expected, and that was make a global settlement offer that included dropping Brady's conclusion of guilt and four-game suspension. It would have quickly and effectively ended the quarterback's appeal and further discovery into the NFL's conduct in the case.
The NFL machine had won, beaten even the mighty Patriots in a battle that was more about public relations than the actual facts around whether the footballs were tampered with during the AFC championship game. Public perception had been flooded by false, yet highly prejudicial stories that the NFL refused to correct, a narrative that made it almost impossible for the Patriots to fight back.
The Wells report was still believed to be "independent" because at that point no one knew that the NFL's general counsel had actually edited it, meaning it wasn't independent at all. Rival owners, fans and players were united.
[Related: Fall guy won't be Roger Goodell]
Goodell was going down in history as the victor, refusing to play favorites even with his favorite owner. All those that were screaming about the flaws in the Wells report would have been dismissed with Pat the Patriot logoed tin foil hats.
Goodell's NFL, however, has the tact of a falling safe, a strange cowboy culture where it must push for every last drop of blood, no matter how imprudent it is to continue the battle.
This is how the whole thing started, after all.
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Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations, didn't know anything about Ideal Gas Law back on Jan. 19. As such, the investigation into how footballs became deflated during the AFC championship game in January between the Patriots and the Indianapolis Colts began with the belief that any football measured that night below 12.5 PSI was a sign of purposeful cheating, rather than natural deflation. And any number that was well below 12.5 – say in the 11s – must therefore be the result of a big, grand conspiracy.
That belief framed everything else. New England was running a scheme and the NFL gumshoes would prove it.
Only once they learned otherwise, once they found out that a ball can, quite naturally, be measured at 11.5, or that protocol after that game had two pumps with varying measurements that made the entire experiment worthless, or noted that no one ever cared about ball inflation levels before this and the rulebook was indifferent, or thought hard after none of the equipment guys cracked, or when no firm evidence was uncovered, or when there was nothing tying Brady to the possible deflations that night, they should've backed down.
A smart league office would have acted like a smart district attorney and expressed frustration at the lousy facts and poor police work and simply declined to prosecute because the case was weak. It happens.
There are plenty of suspicious things about the footballs that night, enough to look, enough to wonder, even still. There wasn't enough to prove guilt though.
And that's the big difference.
Instead the league tried to bulldoze along. It was enough to get Kraft to quit. It was time for Goodell to take a knee.
Instead he went after Brady, and forever and ever Roger Goodell is going to regret picking that fight.
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Misread the tailored suits and furry Uggs and styled haircuts at your own peril. The guy is tough.
Tom Brady wouldn't quit, wouldn't rattle, wouldn't back down.
Tom Brady wouldn't concede an inch and thus, by bringing in the lawyers, by bringing in the brilliant Jeffrey Kessler, he was able to get the whole ball of nonsense into Richard M. Berman's court of law, a place that lives far from riotous cable television debate shows and internet message boards.
Brady's appeal hearing with the NFL had been a complete farce, so outrageous that Goodell himself misrepresented Brady's own testimony in his decision, finding him guilty of something he never even said. Comparative punishments were invented, levels of guilt shifted, basic fairness was trampled upon.
.New England Patriots fans hold signs supporting quarterback Tom Brady during a team practice. (AP)
By taking on Brady, Goodell allowed Kessler to begin shooting holes not just in the Wells report, but in the kangaroo court that the NFL calls a disciplinary process. With Berman involved, the NFL was no longer able to seal testimony or control the narrative. From that point forward, not a single good thing happened for the league, as suddenly it was Goodell and the NFL on trial.
From the start almost anyone who was paying attention, anyone who was reading through all the documents and considering all the actions of the league, saw the duplicity involved here was astounding.
You could always keep going back to Square One: forget about reports of 11 of 12 footballs, the truth was and always has been that the league has no idea if the footballs were even unnaturally deflated in a scandal about unnaturally deflated footballs. Even the Wells report – buried deep, but still – essentially says as much.
The league first decided there was a scandal when there may not have been, then determined there was guilt in said scandal when there may not have been and then worked backward by any means necessary until that work caused a judge to call out the league.
Judge Berman didn't declare Brady innocent on Thursday; he declared the NFL guilty of violating federal law in trying to declare Brady guilty.
For instance, there is no written notice, or precedent of any kind, that a player can be suspended for being "generally aware" of someone else's actions. And Goodell couldn't just arbitrarily make up the corollary that being generally aware of someone else's equipment violation was akin to getting busted for performance enhancing drugs.
Per NFL rules, even if Brady was guilty he should have only faced a $5,512 fine, the judge said, not a quarter-season suspension.
It was further wrong of Goodell to prohibit Brady from asking questions of NFL counsel Jeff Pash simply because Goodell himself pre-determined Pash's testimony would be "cumulative." How would Goodell know what Pash was going to say? And how arrogant is the NFL that it thinks it can just suppress a witness?
"[Due to Pash's] designation as co-lead investigator with Ted Wells, it is logical that he could have valuable insight into the course and outcome of the Investigation ...," Berman aptly noted.
How about that the NFL was obligated to share evidence, a concept so basic and intrinsic and obvious that it was an actual punch line in "My Cousin Vinny."
"It's called disclosure," Mona Lisa Vito, Bill Belichick's favorite character, says, mocking Vinny's legal education.
"Fundamentally unfair," is how Berman put it in his decision.
(Let's a take a second here to note that the NFL lost a case in which it was outraged over Brady's supposed lack of cooperation and unwillingness to hand over evidence, in part because it was uncooperative and unwilling to hand over evidence. Seriously.)
Berman decided that Goodell also couldn't, during an appeals hearing, re-rule on the league's own original decision and determine new levels of guilt for Brady just because he felt like it. Gee, you think?
There was so much here that showed how the NFL, because it went after a speeding ticket like a homicide case, kept acting progressively more desperate as everything crumbled around it.
Yet none of it reaches the cool, considered environs of a federal courtroom if Goodell had just let Brady walk.
And then, even when it does get to Judge Berman, and he is so confrontational with the league that he sounds like a co-defense counsel, the NFL still refused to make any meaningful movement on a deal with Brady. It was their final failure to comprehend the cliff they were driving off.
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The league is living in a bubble in which it doesn't matter what's real, it's all about what it can get people to believe is real, including its owners.
Just this week a smart guy named Bob McNair, who happens to own the Houston Texans, sounded stupid when he publicly carried Goodell's water for him in a radio interview. How long do these billionaires want to keep doing that? That's the $44 million-per-year question.
What will it take for the league to revamp its disciplinary process into one that is more equitable and transparent and credible? When does it realize what even the NCAA has: being the bully isn't good for business.
If you paid close enough attention, deflate-gate was a giant circle of nonsense. The NFL banked on almost no one paying close attention.
Yet Goodell, by taking on Brady, all but assured it would wind up on the desk of someone paying extremely close attention: a learned, intelligent, federal judge.
It was ignorance of Ideal Gas Law that got this started. It was arrogance about how a fair mind would rule that ended it.
So Tom Brady plays in Foxborough next Thursday. And a rattled and embattled Roger Goodell has to stay home and watch on TV.
More NFL coverage on Yahoo Sports:
Bleh
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 03, 2015, 06:53:01 PM
Bleh
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As Valmy says if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. :ph34r:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart
So, basically, a federal judge has ruled that Tom Brady is too stupid to know that you can be suspended for cheating unless someone specifically tells him so.
That's how the arbitrary world of pro sports work. Rules have to be clear.
Quote from: dps on September 08, 2015, 08:32:01 PM
So, basically, a federal judge has ruled that Tom Brady is too stupid to know that you can be suspended for cheating unless someone specifically tells him so.
Well not exactly. He ruled that the league has to follow the CBA and Federal Labor Law; I'm not surprised you are confused though.
Quote from: sbr on September 08, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: dps on September 08, 2015, 08:32:01 PM
So, basically, a federal judge has ruled that Tom Brady is too stupid to know that you can be suspended for cheating unless someone specifically tells him so.
Well not exactly. He ruled that the league has to follow the CBA and Federal Labor Law; I'm not surprised you are confused though.
Ok, the CBA assumes players are too stupid to know they can be suspended for cheating unless specifically told so.
This is entirely consistent however for the Pats - "We didn't know that was illegal" was their defense for taping opponents and stealing their playcalling signs. That time Goodell helped them cover it up, this time he went after them hard.
Quote from: Berkut on September 09, 2015, 10:58:30 AM
This is entirely consistent however for the Pats - "We didn't know that was illegal" was their defense for taping opponents and stealing their playcalling signs. That time Goodell helped them cover it up, this time he went after them hard.
ESPN did a major investigation and that was their conclusion: Goodell and the league helped to cover-up and minimize the Spygate scandal, which actually infuriated the rest of the league. So when the Pats were caught again this was his "makeup call".
Interesting read if you have the time.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2015, 11:10:40 AM
ESPN did a major investigation
At first the scandal was about Brady. Everyone hated on Brady.
Then it was Brady vs. Goodell. In that matchup, the majority of the public hates Goodell more, and suddenly Brady is no longer the bad guy.
Now if Goodell can just make this ESPN vs. Goodell, he might come out of this okay.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 09, 2015, 11:24:42 AM
Now if Goodell can just make this ESPN vs. Goodell, he might come out of this okay.
People love ESPN. :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 09, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 09, 2015, 11:24:42 AM
Now if Goodell can just make this ESPN vs. Goodell, he might come out of this okay.
People love ESPN. :huh:
I'm sure some do, but many hate the network. Maybe mostly college football fans?
I thought the content of what the pats filmed was legal at that time, but it was the placement of the cameras that was the problem.
If I do remember correctly, while technically a violation it was a rather minor and silly thing for people to get worked up about.
Quote from: dps on September 08, 2015, 08:32:01 PM
So, basically, a federal judge has ruled that Tom Brady is too stupid to know that you can be suspended for cheating unless someone specifically tells him so.
No, he ruled that Goodell couldn't punish Brady as he did. The stupid seems more on your part than Brady's.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin link=topic=13191.msg905883#msg905883
Ok, the CBA assumes players are too stupid to know they can be suspended for cheating unless specifically told so.
The CBA assumes that players cannot be punished for actions that were not against the rules when taken.
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2015, 11:10:40 AM
ESPN did a major investigation and that was their conclusion: Goodell and the league helped to cover-up and minimize the Spygate scandal, which actually infuriated the rest of the league. So when the Pats were caught again this was his "makeup call".
Interesting read if you have the time.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart
It's an interesting article that somehow doesn't include anything from the many coaches who noted that they, too, analyzed opposing bench signals for use in later games. In fact, ESPN was filming the Jet's defensive coaches' signals, too, throughout the game.
Quote from: sbr on September 09, 2015, 02:10:27 PM
I thought the content of what the pats filmed was legal at that time, but it was the placement of the cameras that was the problem.
If I do remember correctly, while technically a violation it was a rather minor and silly thing for people to get worked up about.
That is correct. The violation was about as technical as it gets; had the camera been a few feet higher, it would have been okay.
Quote from: grumbler on September 09, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
That is correct. The violation was about as technical as it gets; had the camera been a few feet higher, it would have been okay.
More than a few feet, but yes the violation was of the location it was filmed from. Specifically, teams can't film from locations where the coaches can get access to the information during the game.
Of course, the bigger issue is that Goodell circulated a memo to all teams before the season reinforcing the rule and Belichick decided to ignore it. So the magnitude of the response was all Goodell butthurt.
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2015, 11:10:40 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 09, 2015, 10:58:30 AM
This is entirely consistent however for the Pats - "We didn't know that was illegal" was their defense for taping opponents and stealing their playcalling signs. That time Goodell helped them cover it up, this time he went after them hard.
ESPN did a major investigation and that was their conclusion: Goodell and the league helped to cover-up and minimize the Spygate scandal, which actually infuriated the rest of the league. So when the Pats were caught again this was his "makeup call".
Interesting read if you have the time.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart
Is any of this a revelation? First thing that came to my mind when the NFL announced its Deflategate punishment was that it was a make-up call. I'd have preferred Spygate to have been dealt with more severely, but since that ship had already sailed I was okay with the Deflategate punishment.
But is there any penalty suitable for the unforgivable crime of placing cameras slightly off kilter?
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2015, 04:49:07 PM
Is any of this a revelation? First thing that came to my mind when the NFL announced its Deflategate punishment was that it was a make-up call. I'd have preferred Spygate to have been dealt with more severely, but since that ship had already sailed I was okay with the Deflategate punishment.
The punishment against the team was probably okay, but to fine Tom Brady $2 million because you don't think you punished Robert Kraft or Bill Belichick enough seven years ago isn't "okay" with anyone who believes in justice.
Whether billionaires fine each other a few million here or there is of no moment to me. What was great about deflategate was the speed with which Goodell dispensed with any illusion that it wasn't a witch hunt. I am especially tickled that he paid Ted Wells millions of dollars to produce that stinking pile of horseshit, and that Wells sold his credibility for cash.
Goodell could have stuck with the fine and other punishments for the team, in accordance with his own rules, and even if it was a "makeup call" no one would mind or object. But, no, he had to spend millions of dollars of other peoples' money to make himself look like the world's second-biggest ass. That he got his comeuppance only makes the story sweeter.
Finally managed to watch the game, very pleased with the Pattiots performance, especially that of the defense.
Gronk is ridiculous! :lol:
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Rob Gronkowski is now tied with Jason Witten (57) for 5th All-Time in TE Receiving Touchdowns. Witten has played 191 Games. Gronk 66 games.
He really is...
Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2015, 11:17:38 PM
He really is...
It is like the biggest douchebag frat boy of all time was also a world class athlete. Well actually it is not like that at all...it is literally that.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2015, 11:46:19 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2015, 11:17:38 PM
He really is...
It is like the biggest douchebag frat boy of all time was also a world class athlete. Well actually it is not like that at all...it is literally that.
Indeed - I know that I give him a pass for being a gigantic 6 year old d-bag because he went to Arizona, but his asshattery is just so hard to really hate.
He is this giant man-beast-child.
He's got a brother or something thats a fullback for the Purple Menace Kstate. That Gronkowski seems to be pretty good too. Don't know if he's a douchebag or not though.
The did a sizzle potential pilot about him and his brothers last summer. Guess nothing ever came of it.
Quote from: katmai on September 13, 2015, 12:37:43 AM
The did a sizzle potential pilot about him and his brothers last summer. Guess nothing ever came of it.
Didn't they already do a reality show about the Pats?
(https://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/brady_opening.jpg)
Lemme guess, Tom Brady is the bottom left...
I'd say upper left. He's the pretty one who gets all the attention.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 13, 2015, 03:53:04 AM
I'd say upper left. He's the pretty one who gets all the attention.
Hmm, fair point. Take away the pig tails, and Cindy almost does bear a resemblance to Gronk. :P
I watched a game! :w00t:
Fuck. Not another season of this. Ugh. Looks like it'll be baseball into hockey again this year. :(
The slurs looking bad enough to make this season fucking suck but not sucky enough to get a top draft pick. So business as usual.
The commissioner of my work fantasy league with 12 people is letting 8 people make the playoffs, and the waiver position is set so the lowest in the league standings goes first each week.
Its bullshit. Basically why try when almost everyone makes the playoffs?
So my strategy will be to intentionally tank the first 3 weeks and lock up the top waiver position for the first half of the season, stockpiling a good team for a playoff push. I wonder when people will figure out what I'm doing, and if they will be pissed off?
Fucking new york giants.
Miss America weighs in on Deflategate.
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/13/9321267/miss-america-contestant-says-she-knows-tom-brady-cheated-immediately?ref=yfp (http://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/13/9321267/miss-america-contestant-says-she-knows-tom-brady-cheated-immediately?ref=yfp)
Bengals beat the raiders for the first time ever in Oakland. I don't care if it's the Raiders-- a west coast win is a pretty big thing for the Bungles. Dalton looked good, defense looked great, and Hill ran like a beast. AJ Green dropped a TD pass and needs to cut that shit out. But man, if Eifert stays healthy...
Great little football weekend. WVU won, Delaware won, Ohio U beat Marshall, and my son's and nephew's youth league teams won. Tommy's getting off to a great start in football. This past game he had a fumble recovery and 3 tackles on defense, and on offense he had 3 pancakes. Previous game he made a tackle on his first play. My nephew ran for a TD, threw for a TD, and had a defensive fumble recovery.
Watched the Baltimore-Denver game and the Buffalo-Indy game. I've got to say of the six teams I've seen play so far, the Bills have looked the best.
Quote from: katmai on September 13, 2015, 10:52:36 PM
Fucking new york giants.
I agree, Manning fucked over my fantasy team.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 15, 2015, 05:34:50 AM
Watched the Baltimore-Denver game and the Buffalo-Indy game. I've got to say of the six teams I've seen play so far, the Bills have looked the best.
And of course Week 1 is not too early to make such evaluations.
I'm watching Cowboys v. Eagles but I can't seem to find the Eagles anywhere. :hmm:
I watched the Thursday night game last night. All I can say is LOL at the Chiefs.
Sam Bradford is gonna need to enter witness protection to get out of Philadelphia alive.
Quote from: katmai on September 20, 2015, 06:08:11 PM
Sam Bradford is gonna need to enter witness protection to get out of Philadelphia alive.
Well, he sure isn't getting any protection from that OL.
Just watched the Pats game. The offense was great, very impressive. The defense started really strong, but kind of fell apart in the fourth. Lewis has to hold onto the ball better. The Bills were sloppy as hell, all the worst traits of a Rex Ryan team already showing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2015, 08:52:53 AM
The Bills were sloppy as hell, all the worst traits of a Rex Ryan team already showing.
Maybe not the best of the six teams you've watched?
Quote from: derspiess on September 21, 2015, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2015, 08:52:53 AM
The Bills were sloppy as hell, all the worst traits of a Rex Ryan team already showing.
Maybe not the best of the six teams you've watched?
:lol: They look like they have the potential to be, but Rex is going to piss it away.
I have no ill will towards the Colts or Neckbeard, but it does amuse me that so many 'experts' had them in the Super Bowl this year. Oh, and the Ravens are going to run away with the AFC North :D :D
Crazy-ass Bungles-Ravens game, but it had the correct final result. Another day I miss Seedy-- seems like WVU plays Maryland the same weekend the Bengals play the Ravens more often than not.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2015, 08:52:53 AM
Just watched the Pats game. The offense was great, very impressive. The defense started really strong, but kind of fell apart in the fourth.
I agree with that but the real disappointment was the performance of the Patriots dirty tricks team. Usually, against Ryan one expects the Patriots to roll out their newest and best cheats, but yesterday their fraud squad was just mailing it in. They may need an infusion of roguish blood to make another push deep into the postseason. There must be a couple low level ex-Nixon guys still alive?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2015, 05:16:03 PM
I agree with that but the real disappointment was the performance of the Patriots dirty tricks team. Usually, against Ryan one expects the Patriots to roll out their newest and best cheats, but yesterday their fraud squad was just mailing it in. They may need an infusion of roguish blood to make another push deep into the postseason. There must be a couple low level ex-Nixon guys still alive?
They don't need to try to keep some ex-Nixon dirty tricks zombies going in order to thug up their specialty roster. They can afford to pay for some typical lawyers.