Been reading about it for more than an hour, now they say 4 or 5 dead. :mad: :(
Sucks :(
Yeah, sucks big time. Hits hard as we worry about this type of thing all the time. We have been at elevated threat conditions for a while now.
Very personal for me because I have friends in that reserve center, some have deployed with me, I have been there multiple times to train and for ceremonies. Some are also cops in the area, one in their SWAT, I bet he has been busy today.
Shit. Sorry, man.
4 marines killed. :(
:(
Surprise, surprise <_<
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chattanooga-shootings-four-marines-gunman-dead-rampage-tennessee-military-facilities-n393266
QuoteThe gunman was identified by a senior federal official as Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24. He was a naturalized U-S citizen from Kuwait, the official said.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 16, 2015, 06:34:12 PM
Surprise, surprise <_<
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chattanooga-shootings-four-marines-gunman-dead-rampage-tennessee-military-facilities-n393266
QuoteThe gunman was identified by a senior federal official as Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24. He was a naturalized U-S citizen from Kuwait, the official said.
:rolleyes: Did you expect him to be 50 years old?
Quote from: DGuller on July 16, 2015, 06:55:36 PM
:rolleyes: Did you expect him to be 50 years old?
Of course not. That's why he was being sarcastic when he said it was a surprise.
How senseless.
This record is broken.
Quote from: The Brain on July 17, 2015, 11:04:21 AM
This record is broken.
Is it?
CNN expert said today we can't be sure if Mohammed Youssef Abdulazzez is a muslim name:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQpYYbitW5c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQpYYbitW5c)
Quote from: Martim Silva on July 17, 2015, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 17, 2015, 11:04:21 AM
This record is broken.
Sounds indeed Christian to me
Is it?
CNN expert said today we can't be sure if Mohammed Youssef Abdulazzez is a muslim name:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQpYYbitW5c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQpYYbitW5c)
Whatever half the Hindus I know are named Mohammed.
That is just horrible. I wonder if he is another of those paranoid loners.
:(
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/us/chattanooga-tennessee-shooting-investigation-mohammod-abdulazeez.html?_r=0
QuoteCHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — Marines and sailors risked their lives for one another in Chattanooga last week, trying to distract the gunman who assaulted a naval center, helping people scale a fence for safety and returning fire at the attacker, law enforcement officials said Wednesday.
Some of the five servicemen who were fatally wounded effectively sacrificed themselves during the assault on Thursday, diverting the gunman from a larger group of potential victims, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation into the killings.
"This could have been a lot worse," said the official, who did not want to be identified because he was not authorized to discuss the investigation. "It could have been a horrible, horrible massacre — so much worse."
At a news conference here, the F.B.I. confirmed that at least one service member shot at the attacker, but did not say whether he had managed to wound the gunman, Mohammod Abdulazeez, who was killed minutes later in a shootout with the Chattanooga police.
"A service member from inside the facility observed him and opened fire on him, firing several rounds at him," said Edward W. Reinhold, the special agent in charge of the F.B.I.'s Knoxville office. Two guns belonging to service members were recovered from the scene, he said, and "at least one of those weapons had been discharged."
Mr. Abdulazeez had written about the submission to God demanded by Islam, about martyrdom and suicide, and about seeing the world as a dark and painful place.
Investigators are trying to determine if he came into contact with extremists who might have radicalized him, inspiring or even directing his attack. But Mr. Reinhold cautioned on Wednesday that it was too early to answer such questions, saying that agents were pursuing nearly 400 leads in the case.
"At this point we're treating him as a homegrown violent extremist," he said.
"We do not have any indication that anyone else was assisting him that day," he added, but he did not address the possibility of prior help.
James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, said on Wednesday night that investigators were still combing through Mr. Abdulazeez's cellphone and laptop to learn more about his influences, motivations and contacts.
"We're literally trying to understand every second of his life over the last couple of years, at least," Mr. Comey said at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado.
The four Marines and one sailor who were fatally shot were all apparently killed by Mr. Abdulazeez, Mr. Reinhold said when asked about the possibility that police officers or a fellow service member had accidentally shot any of the victims.
"All indications are — and we do not have the ballistic reports back — preliminarily, it looks like all victims were killed with the same weapon," he said.
Offering new details on the shooting, Mr. Reinhold described a chaotic and terrifying confrontation at the naval training center, lasting just three to five minutes.
Mr. Abdulazeez, 24, first drove up to a military recruitment office and, without getting out of his rented silver convertible, opened fire.
Then he raced off, with the police not far behind, and at the naval training center a few miles away, he crashed through the security gate and got out of his car with an assault rifle — apparently the only weapon he used — and a handgun, leaving a third firearm in the car.
He fired as he approached the building and shot the first person he encountered inside, Mr. Reinhold said, as others scrambled for cover.
"The shooter made entry into the building, proceeded to move through the building, pursuing the sailors and Marines who were attempting to evade him," Mr. Reinhold said.
Maj. Gen. Paul W. Brier of the Marines said: "Our Marines reacted the way you would expect, rapidly going room to room, getting people to safety. After they had gotten to safety, some willingly ran back into the fight. All of us can be extremely proud of what our Marines did that day."
Mr. Abdulazeez went out through the back of the building, Mr. Reinhold said, and into the fenced-in motor pool area, where "two service members attempted to provide cover and assist the military personnel attempting to get over the fence."
It was there, he said, that four of the five victims were killed and that the police caught up to the gunman. In the shootout that followed, an officer was wounded, and Mr. Abdulazeez was killed.
"There were hundreds of rounds fired" by Mr. Abdulazeez and the Chattanooga police, said the law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, making for an unusually complex forensics effort to piece together what happened. He said that Mr. Abdulazeez had used a derivative of an AK-47 assault rifle.
Witness accounts and the volume of shots fired have raised questions about whether the gun was fully automatic or had been modified to be operate that way. Mr. Reinhold did not confirm the specific type of assault rifle used, but said none of the weapons had been modified.
He said investigators knew where the guns had been purchased, but he would not say where, or whether they had been bought legally.
The gunman killed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David Wyatt, Sgt. Carson Holmquist and Lance Cpl. Squire Wells, all of the Marines, and Randall Smith, a Navy petty officer second class.
Mr. Abdulazeez was born in Kuwait to Jordanian parents, but he spent most of his life in the Chattanooga area and was a naturalized American citizen. Investigators are combing through his electronic communications and his travel history, including a seven-month stay in Jordan last year.
One of his uncles has been detained in Jordan for questioning by American and Jordanian intelligence officials.
"The F.B.I. will explore every possibility and every relative that he has, no matter where they are located," Mr. Reinhold said.
Quote from: Valmy on July 17, 2015, 03:59:28 PM
Whatever half the Indians I know are named Mohammed.
FYPY!
Anyone heard from Siegy?!
Siegey would never join the Navy.
QuoteIn a Switch, Civilians Guard Military
After five killed in Tennessee shootings, armed citizens taking on job of guarding recruiters.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usnews.com%2Fdims4%2FUSNEWS%2F5469e6e%2F2147483647%2Fresize%2F652x%253E%2Fquality%2F85%2F%3Furl%3D%252Fcmsmedia%252F54%252Ff8a2dbdfc44b44999cc44c24a14c14%252Fmedia%253A1eae4ff211004fb3bc125e14151557fcChattanoogaShooting-GuardingRecruiters.JPEG&hash=d82455a9e0b611d0ab102731e71f84817426c75d)
Allen Bowles, left, and Clint Janney stand guard Tuesday outside a military recruiting center in Columbus, Ohio.
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Gun-toting citizens are showing up at military recruiting centers around the country, saying they plan to protect recruiters following last week's killing of four Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
The citizens, some of them private militia members, said they're supporting the recruiters, who by military directive are not armed.
"We're here to serve and protect," Clint Janney said Tuesday, wearing a Taurus 9mm handgun as he stood in a parking lot across from a recruiting center on the west side of Columbus. "What the government won't do, we will do."
Similar posts have been set up outside recruitment centers in several cities around the country, including Madison, Wisconsin; Hiram, Georgia; Phoenix; and several sites in Tennessee, including Murfreesboro.
There's no evidence that such centers are in danger, and the government isn't changing how they're staffed, although some governors have temporarily moved National Guard recruiting centers to armories and several have authorized Guard personnel to carry weapons at state facilities.
Janney, 38, who runs his own garage door company, is a member of the Ohio branch of the "3 Percent Irregulars" militia. He was joined by four other members of the militia, some of whom arrived Tuesday and others who'd been there since Friday. In Ohio and many states, it is legal to carry an openly displayed handgun or rifle.
The men sat in lawn chairs, occasionally dipping into a cooler for bottles of water, or stood around talking. Some people came by to thank them; others didn't seem aware of their presence in the large plaza.
Franklin County Sheriff Zach Scott said that as long as the owner of the plaza didn't ask them to leave, the men were not violating any laws. Scott has instructed deputies to check on recruiting centers, but not the volunteer guards.
Employees of a medical supply center next door to the recruiting center said they understood the volunteers' intentions but weren't thrilled about their presence. Customers leaving the store said they appreciated the volunteers but thought professional security guards would be better.
"They could just go crazy with the shooting. You just don't know their state of mind," said Kimm McLaughlin, 44, of nearby Grove City.
On Tuesday, the founder and president of Oath Keepers, a Las Vegas-based Constitution activist group made up of current and former veterans and first responders such as paramedics, issued a national call to members to guard centers. Many were already guarding centers in Tennessee, Arkansas and Oklahoma, president Stewart Rhodes said.
Rhodes said it's "absolutely insane" that recruiters aren't allowed to be armed.
"They're sitting ducks," Rhodes said. "They'd be better off if they were walking down the streets of Baghdad, because at least in Baghdad, they could move. Here, they're stationary."
Capt. Jim Stenger, a Marine Corps public affairs officer for the recruiting district that includes parts of seven Midwestern states, said he hopes the gun-toting civilians will go home.
"While we greatly appreciate the support of the American public during this tragedy, we ask that citizens do not stand guard at our recruiting offices," Stenger said in an emailed statement. "Our continued public trust lies among our trained first responders for the safety of the communities where we live and work."
A 1992 Department of Defense directive restricts weapons to law enforcement or military police on federal property, which would include recruiting centers. The U.S. Army Recruiting Command doesn't have a position on the citizens' actions as long as they aren't disrupting the recruiting centers, spokesman Brian Lepley said.
He said that while tragic, such incidents have happened only twice in six years at recruiting centers: in Chattanooga last week, and in Little Rock, Arkansas, in a 2009 shooting that killed one soldier and injured another.
"Recruiting stations need to be out in the public; we need to be out where young people are," Lepley said. Most recruiters are Afghanistan and Iraq war veterans well trained in dealing with shooters, he added.
A group of veterans and their supporters began guarding a Navy-Marine recruiting station in Madison, Wisconsin, on Friday.
"Just civic pride," said David Walters, a 30-year-old Army veteran from Baraboo, north of Madison. "It's good to show that people can still come together."
He took his turn in front of the station Tuesday with Chip Beduhn, a 44-year-old security guard also from Baraboo. Walters said he was carrying a concealed weapon and would be comfortable with violence if someone tried to attack the station.
In Arizona, armed members of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's volunteer posses patrolled Tuesday around Army Reserve offices in Buckeye, about 30 miles west of downtown Phoenix.
The sheriff said he decided to have three posse members patrol after an Army Reserve captain requested extra security. Posse members are patrolling the area just outside the Reserve grounds, but Arpaio said they would enter the property if extra security was needed. The sheriff has used posse volunteers for similar patrols in the past.
In Hiram, Georgia, about 30 miles northwest of Atlanta, a group of four or five people stood outside a recruiting office Friday with their personal firearms as a show of support. They had a pop-up tent, a few lawn chairs and American flags, Police Chief Todd Vande Zande said.
"If it makes them feel better as American citizens and they're not doing anything illegal, then I'm all for it," he said.
Only in America
Strangely they did not show up to defend black churches.
Just what are you implying, Sir?
Quote from: The Brain on July 23, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
Just what are you implying, Sir?
That we have had this rash of mass shootings like this and strangely this was the first one that mobilized the militia.
My rash isn't of mass shootings. :)
Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
Strangely they did not show up to defend black churches.
When I lived in Detroit I used to take the American Institute of Architect's guide to the city and explore some of the neighborhood. One district is called "Piety Hill" due to the large number of churches (and synagogue) along the main artery Woodward Avenue. Today these are all black churches, and the surrounding neighborhood isn't the best. As I was walking there everyone stared at me and seemed to be thinking something along the lines of, "My stars, a white person; just like on Seinfeld." A gang of armed white men showing up to defend one of those churches would have ended up very, very badly for everyone.
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2015, 10:23:55 AM
A gang of armed white men showing up to defend one of those churches would have ended up very, very badly for everyone.
What do they have against law abiding patriotic citizens? :(
Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
Strangely they did not show up to defend black churches.
Some did.
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
Strangely they did not show up to defend black churches.
Some did.
Did they? Well go militia. Needed to attract more publicity.
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
Strangely they did not show up to defend black churches.
Some did.
It doesn't count when they show up with gas cans!
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2015, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
Strangely they did not show up to defend black churches.
Some did.
Did they? Well go militia. Needed to attract more publicity.
Go posse, actually. And it was probably mostly another "Sheriff Joe" publicity stunt :P
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/19/sheriff-church-protection/28996519/
They shouldn't have to depend on prosecutorial discretion here :wacko:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/navy-denies-rumors-sailor-will-be-charged-for-stopping-chattanooga-shooter/
Quote
Navy Denies Rumors Sailor Will Be Charged for Stopping Chattanooga Shooter
by Ken Meyer | 6:14 pm, August 3rd, 2015
In the weeks following the Chattanooga Shooting, rumors have circulated about whether the military personnel who fired back at Mohammod Youssef Abdulazeez could face charges for firing a gun on federal property. The Navy responded to those reports on Monday, saying that the stories were false and investigations are still ongoing.
"Stories of Navy personnel being charged with an offense are not true," the Navy said in a reply to a Facebook question. "There is still a long way to go in reviewing the facts of this tragic incident, but at this time we can confirm no service member has been charged with an offense."
Many of the rumors began when former representative Allen West expressed his outrage in a blog about how he heard that Chattanooga personnel were being charged for defending themselves. Various media sources and figures have spread these reports across the Internet, including Jim Webb in a recent tweet:
Quote from: Jim WebbNavy charging LCDR Tim White w/ a crime for trying to defend our sailors & Marines in #Chattanooga? He deserves a medal, not an indictment.
Officials have previously said that Lt. Cmdr Timothy White could have been charged on the grounds that his shots contributed to the chaos of the attack, but such charges would be "extremely unlikely." Lt. Tim Hawkins said on Monday that the Navy is continuing to cooperate with the FBI, but reiterated that "there's a long way to go in reviewing all the facts of this case."
You can see the Navy's response here:
https://www.facebook.com/USNavy/posts/10152971607592823
QuoteStories of Navy personnel being charged with an offense are not true. There is still a long way to go in reviewing the facts of this tragic incident, but at this time we can confirm no service member has been charged with an offense.
Sounds like a story made up out of ether by some moron, and picked up by other morons. Since prosecutors are under obligation to act like adults, they cannot deny it strenuously enough to nip this in the bud.
It's hard to believe a story like this showed up on mediaite.com.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 03, 2015, 06:39:38 PM
They shouldn't have to depend on prosecutorial discretion here :wacko:
Yes they should. That's what prosecutorial discretion is for.
Quote from: DGuller on August 03, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Sounds like a story made up out of ether by some moron, and picked up by other morons. Since prosecutors are under obligation to act like adults, they cannot deny it strenuously enough to nip this in the bud.
It made the rounds on Facebook as the Gospel truth, so it accomplished its purpose.