The revolt has begun! :o
ttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/robot-crushes-contractor-death-vw-motor-plant-germany-n385541
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Robot Crushes Contractor to Death at VW Motor Plant in Germany
by M. Alex Johnson
Prosecutors are investigating the death of a worker who was crushed by a robotic system he was setting up at a Volkswagen plant in the Kassel district of Germany, authorities and VW said Wednesday.
Heiko Hillwig, a VW spokesman, told the local newspaper Hessische Niedersächsische Allgemeine that the man — who worked for a contractor and was identified only as being from the German state of Saxony — was killed Monday at a plant in the town of Baunatal, north of Frankfurt, where VW is starting a new production line for electric motors.
The robot grabbed the man and pressed him against a metal plate, crushing his chest, Hillwig said. The man was resuscitated but died a short time later at a hospital, he said.
The Kassel regional prosecutor's office said it's investigating whether negligence may have been involved and, if so, who was culpable. The contractor, not VW, operated the facility.
"Then we'll see if — and if so, against whom — charges are to be made," a spokesman for the prosecutor's office told the German news agency Deutsche Presse-Agentur.
Hillwig said all contractors are required to adhere to VW's workplace safety regulations.
It isn't like humans don't kill other humans accidentally. We can't expect robots to have a perfect safety record, but we should expect them to be better than humans.
Iormlund staging the perfect murder? Or is he in Poland at the moment?
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
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https://twitter.com/sarahoconnor_/status/616282747200479232 (https://twitter.com/sarahoconnor_/status/616282747200479232)
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
If you read Stirling's sequels to Terminator 2 (much better than the third movie), then this is how it starts. Skynet killing people in industrial "accidents" to see how humans react to machines out of control.
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:47:23 AM
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https://twitter.com/sarahoconnor_/status/616282747200479232 (https://twitter.com/sarahoconnor_/status/616282747200479232)
I feel kind of bad for that poor economics journalist. She has a passion for boring things and now people are bugging her over a movie series she has never even seen.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
If you read Stirling's sequels to Terminator 2 (much better than the third movie), then this is how it starts. Skynet killing people in industrial "accidents" to see how humans react to machines out of control.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Who is Stirling?
Clirice Stirling.
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
If you read Stirling's sequels to Terminator 2 (much better than the third movie), then this is how it starts. Skynet killing people in industrial "accidents" to see how humans react to machines out of control.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Who is Stirling?
S.M. Stirling is a best selling science fiction author. Before he became really big he wrote some licensed sequels to Terminator 2
http://www.amazon.com/Infiltrator-T2-S-M-Stirling/dp/0380808161
Ouch.
We have two Ford plants in Louisville and every once in a while someone gets seriously injured or killed at one of them. In fact, once of Princesca's good friends used to work at the Ford Kentucky Truck Plant and a pneumatic hammer that was re-positioning collided with her head by mistake. It fractured her skull and she's had neurological problems ever since.
Quote from: Caliga on July 02, 2015, 09:42:09 AM
Ouch.
We have two Ford plants in Louisville and every once in a while someone gets seriously injured or killed at one of them. In fact, once of Princesca's good friends used to work at the Ford Kentucky Truck Plant and a pneumatic hammer that was re-positioning collided with her head by mistake. It fractured her skull and she's had neurological problems ever since.
As long as it's not radiation it's not dangerous. At least according to the government.
Iormlund, control your minions!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
If you read Stirling's sequels to Terminator 2 (much better than the third movie), then this is how it starts. Skynet killing people in industrial "accidents" to see how humans react to machines out of control.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Who is Stirling?
S.M. Stirling is a best selling science fiction author. Before he became really big he wrote some licensed sequels to Terminator 2
http://www.amazon.com/Infiltrator-T2-S-M-Stirling/dp/0380808161
:x
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
If you read Stirling's sequels to Terminator 2 (much better than the third movie), then this is how it starts. Skynet killing people in industrial "accidents" to see how humans react to machines out of control.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Who is Stirling?
S.M. Stirling is a best selling science fiction author. Before he became really big he wrote some licensed sequels to Terminator 2
http://www.amazon.com/Infiltrator-T2-S-M-Stirling/dp/0380808161
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Princess Órlaith, heir to Rudi Mackenzie, Artos the First, High King of Montival, now wields the Sword of the Lady—and faces a new enemy. Fortunately, she also has a new ally in Reiko, Empress of Japan, who has been pursued to America by a conquering army from Asia.
To combat their mutual foe, Órlaith and Reiko embark on a quest to find the fabled Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi, the Grass-Cutting Sword, one of the three great treasures of the Japanese Imperial House. But dreams have revealed that the road to Kusanagi lies through the meganecropolis of the City of Angels, the greatest and most perilous of the dead cities...and beyond it, to a castle in the fearful Valley of Death. And their relentless enemy will stop at nothing to prevent them from succeeding.
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Quotefabled Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi, the Grass-Cutting Sword
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:lol:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
If you read Stirling's sequels to Terminator 2 (much better than the third movie), then this is how it starts. Skynet killing people in industrial "accidents" to see how humans react to machines out of control.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Who is Stirling?
S.M. Stirling is a best selling science fiction author. Before he became really big he wrote some licensed sequels to Terminator 2
http://www.amazon.com/Infiltrator-T2-S-M-Stirling/dp/0380808161 (http://www.amazon.com/Infiltrator-T2-S-M-Stirling/dp/0380808161)
Tim, you should be ashamed of yourself. If I was your mother I would curtain your internet privileges for a week for posting that filth.
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
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I think we should all reflect on the fact that we have never seen a picture of JR, Minsky, Keynes. And whatever other names this entity might use throughout the internet. The names change but one thing that remains constant is an immediate defense of the coming robot age.
I for one welcome our new robot overlords.
Quote from: celedhring on July 02, 2015, 05:32:46 AM
Iormlund staging the perfect murder? Or is he in Poland at the moment?
I have the perfect ali ... I mean, I'm on vacation in Spain, but I have indeed worked as a contractor in that plant (it's a few km from my house in Kassel).
I know nothing beyond what I read at the FT*, but my educated guess is this: He (and probably someone else) fucked up. Robot safety is fairly straightforward. You have a redundant circuit for emergency stops and another for perimeter protection. Either one of those shuts the power off and puts the brakes in automatically when the robots are in Auto mode.
For the robot to move while he was inside either:
a) Someone locked him in, then activated the station. Protocol asks for you to take measures to avoid this possibility (emergency buttons, anti-panic doors that always open from inside, physical locks to disable switches, etc). It would have to happen pretty fast because you can actually hear when a robot is online even if it is stopped (the servomotors make a whining sound).
b) Full-speed manual mode was set and he stood in the way (the robot always follows the same path). This requires someone to hold in his hand a 'dead man' switch (that will stop the motion immediately if you either press too hard or to softly).
c) Someone disabled safety measures (this requires one or several special passwords).
The latter is by far the most likely. It's fairly common to do without some safety features during commissioning to speed up things and cut costs, even if it should not be done. So someone fucked up, big time. He or she might do time for this.
* I had a laugh when I read the article in the FT. They way he phrased it it looks like we put fences around robots to keep them from smashing folks, when it is the other way around. We build fences around machines to keep
humans out. They are the ones that cause all the trouble.
Another fine product from the Pearson family.
Quote from: Iormlund on July 02, 2015, 11:35:48 AM
We build fences around machines to keep humans out. They are the ones that cause all the trouble.
And therefore must be destroyed.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
If you read Stirling's sequels to Terminator 2 (much better than the third movie), then this is how it starts. Skynet killing people in industrial "accidents" to see how humans react to machines out of control.
The revolt of the machines has begun! And it's years earlier than predicted! :ph34r:
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
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I think we should all reflect on the fact that we have never seen a picture of JR, Minsky, Keynes. And whatever other names this entity might use throughout the internet. The names change but one thing that remains constant is an immediate defense of the coming robot age.
:D
Quote from: Maximus on July 02, 2015, 12:23:10 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on July 02, 2015, 11:35:48 AM
We build fences around machines to keep humans out. They are the ones that cause all the trouble.
And therefore must be destroyed.
Why wouldn't we want to increase the universe's aggregate utility? :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
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I think we should all reflect on the fact that we have never seen a picture of JR, Minsky, Keynes. And whatever other names this entity might use throughout the internet. The names change but one thing that remains constant is an immediate defense of the coming robot age.
I have met him. :unsure:
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
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I think we should all reflect on the fact that we have never seen a picture of JR, Minsky, Keynes. And whatever other names this entity might use throughout the internet. The names change but one thing that remains constant is an immediate defense of the coming robot age.
I have met him. :unsure:
Living tissue over metal endoskeleton, right?
Quote from: Legbiter on July 02, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 02, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Police sketch of the main suspect. :ph34r:
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I think we should all reflect on the fact that we have never seen a picture of JR, Minsky, Keynes. And whatever other names this entity might use throughout the internet. The names change but one thing that remains constant is an immediate defense of the coming robot age.
I have met him. :unsure:
Living tissue over metal endoskeleton, right?
He looked like a normal human being to me. I saw him eat and everything.
He prefers the term artificial person himself.