Okay, one of Skip's more colorful friends on facebook claimed that
QuoteLincoln Memorial Washington DC. Inscription reads. "I Fight to Free No Man". The story behind how those words of Lincoln ever got up there must be quite interesting. In the late 50,s in school in Chicago we were taught the Civil War was primarily about States Rights and Lincoln "Free,d" only the runaway slaves in the North for political reasons to embarrass Britain and France To MINIMIZE THEIR SUPPORT Of THE Confederacy.
I could find no reference to this and called Bullshit. Does anyone know anything this supposed inscription?
Nope.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/171/410255470_8ccd730a07_z.jpg?zz=1)
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Scip has "interesting" Facebook friends, yes.
Standing chick beats sitting chicks.
Freeing slaves embarrassed Britain and France?
Quote from: Tyr on June 22, 2015, 04:15:29 AM
Freeing slaves embarrassed Britain and France?
I think he is implying that by making the ACW about slavery, Lincoln made the confederate side politically toxic for Britain and France, so that they would not support the confederacy.
Quote from: The Brain on June 22, 2015, 02:38:18 AM
Standing chick beats sitting chicks.
Good observation.
I'm trying to parse this statement.
QuoteI am neither pro nor anti CSA. I am Pro facts. Fact is this inscription is chiseled in stone on the portal of the entry way of Abe,s Memorial building in D.C. My wife and I have seen it several times, most recently in 1999. It just is. Interesting to me that no one can explain how it came to be there... most likely conjecture is its the first part of a Lincoln quote such as "I Fight to free no man... I fight to preserve the Union " or some such. But that is pure conjecture. U know before and during his term of Office old Lincoln was not a popular President -hated by many, after all he got U.S. into war, introduced fiat paper currency = the Greenback, and was father to the hated DRAFT. INTRODUCING involuntary servitude to conscript troops to fight against involuntary servitude. I find that funny in a perverse sort of way. Founded Liberia and gave them U.S. Constitution. Then he failed to follow thru with shipping back the illegal aliens cause he was killed . He did manage to get the 13th Amendment passed, but not ratified until after his assassination. So you can imagine how widely unpopular those actions were, especially when coupled with 500,000 deaths more or less. As I recall his successor was successfully impeached the administration was so unpopular, hated might be a better word. So it is what it is, go to Washington D.C. see it for yourself, take photos..
Lincoln was not the father of the draft. This was not the first time paper currency was used. Lincoln did not found Liberia. Colonization was never his plan. The South already seceded and illegally seized Federal property before he was sworn in. South Carolina fired on Fort Sumter, it did not fire on South Carolina. I think I have to call BS on his being pro facts. Is he aware of who Andrew Johnson was and why he was impeached in the first place? I can only assume he slept through first grade with his grasp on the facts.
Is your friend smart enough to breathe oxygen Scipio? Has he suffered some major brain damage of some sort? If not get new friends with IQs above 40 because that is pathetic.
He did encourage me to read "The Bell Curve", and the have someone explain it to me.
I love my favorite internet troll.
Is he like that in person? Is he really crazy?
Quote from: Scipio on June 22, 2015, 11:02:13 PM
I love my favorite internet troll.
But it seems at least 4 or 5 people who frequently post on your wall are some deluded hardcore racists.
He purposefully uses u to mean you when writing a long message
That's item number one on the idiot test.
Quote from: Martinus on June 23, 2015, 02:11:16 AM
Quote from: Scipio on June 22, 2015, 11:02:13 PM
I love my favorite internet troll.
But it seems at least 4 or 5 people who frequently post on your wall are some deluded hardcore racists.
He lives in Mississippi and hangs with libertarians. You do the math. I know Valmy will but upset with me on the last part but the guy goes on about FIAT CURRENCY! and the involuntary servitude of the draft. Two common Libertarian themes. Shipping African Americans to Africa because they are illegal aliens is a new one on me, though. There really weren't any illegal aliens in the US during the civil war period. There wasn't any law restrict who could come in or not. The status of former slaves was a bit of a hot topic, but it was addressed by the 14th amendment which Johnson tried to Veto. It was bullshit like that resulted in him being impeached.
Quote from: Scipio on June 22, 2015, 11:02:13 PM
I love my favorite internet troll.
Oh so it was a joke? Good one I guess.
He encouraged me to read, "The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War" I found a review http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=79
QuoteDespite its provocative insights and obvious rhetorical skill, however, The Real Lincoln is seriously compromised by careless errors of fact, misuse of sources, and faulty documentation. Although individually these flaws may seem trivial and inconsequential, taken together they constitute a near-fatal threat to DiLorenzo's credibility as a historian. A few examples indicate the scope of the problem: DiLorenzo's own article on Lincoln as "The Great Centralizer" appeared in the The Independent Review in 1998, not in 1988 (p. vii); Lincoln advised sending freed slaves to Liberia in a speech in 1854, not "during the war" (pp. 16–17); Lincoln was not a member of the Illinois state legislature in 1857 (p. 18); the commerce clause was not an "amendment," and Thomas Jefferson was not among the framers of the Constitution (pp. 69–70); Thaddeus Stevens was a Pennsylvania representative, not a senator (p. 140); and Fort Sumter was not a customs house (p. 242).
Unfortunately, these lapses are more than matched by a clumsy mishandling of sources that violates the presumed trust between author and reader. DiLorenzo claims, for example, that in the four years "between 1860 and 1864, population in the thirteen largest Northern cities rose by 70 percent" (p. 225). On the face of it, this statistic is absurd and defies common sense, and sure enough, the source DiLorenzo cites says that the growth occurred "in fifteen years." Page 11 says that Lincoln's law partner and biographer William Herndon was quoting his own recollections of Lincoln, but he really was quoting another biographer. A few pages later (p. 14), DiLorenzo claims that Lincoln, in his eulogy for Henry Clay, "mustered his best rhetorical talents to praise Clay," but all of the examples that follow come from the "beautiful language" of a newspaper that Lincoln was quoting at length. Moreover, Lincoln's supposed comment about the "deportation" of blacks in his Cooper Union speech was in fact a quotation from Thomas Jefferson, as Lincoln himself says (p. 18). In chapter 3, DiLorenzo claims that in a letter to Salmon P. Chase, Lincoln "admitted that the original [Emancipation] proclamation had no legal justification, except as a war measure" (p. 37). His source, however, is the recollections of a conversation (not a letter) that portrait artist Francis B. Carpenter (not Chase) had with Lincoln, and at no point do these recollections sustain DiLorenzo's summary of them. Moreover, in the reference for this section, DiLorenzo misidentifies the title of his source as Paul Angle's The American Reader, when in fact the jumbled material comes from Angle's The Lincoln Reader. Other errors include misplaced quotation marks, missing ellipses, and quotations with incorrect punctuation, capitalization, and wrong or missing words.
I think I found the source of the problem here.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2015, 08:14:28 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 23, 2015, 02:11:16 AM
Quote from: Scipio on June 22, 2015, 11:02:13 PM
I love my favorite internet troll.
But it seems at least 4 or 5 people who frequently post on your wall are some deluded hardcore racists.
He lives in Mississippi and hangs with libertarians. You do the math. I know Valmy will but upset with me on the last part but the guy goes on about FIAT CURRENCY! and the involuntary servitude of the draft. Two common Libertarian themes. Shipping African Americans to Africa because they are illegal aliens is a new one on me, though. There really weren't any illegal aliens in the US during the civil war period. There wasn't any law restrict who could come in or not. The status of former slaves was a bit of a hot topic, but it was addressed by the 14th amendment which Johnson tried to Veto. It was bullshit like that resulted in him being impeached.
FWIW, I don't see how anyone can argue that being drafted into the military
isn't a form of involuntary servitude. Maybe someone needs to point out to the wackier type of libertarian that we don't have a military draft right now, so it's not really an issue. Don't see how having a fiat currency is a libertarian issue, but then again, while I lean libertarian in a lot of ways, the more extreme ones are just nutjobs and I don't understand half of what they talk about.
I said that they are common libertarian themes. Fiat currency is a pretty common issue, particularly by Ron Paul gold bugs. I'd say that non-wacky libertarians are the minority.