Watching John Oliver now and he is claiming there is no statutory paid maternity leave in the US? Is it true? I find it hard to believe.
Yes, it's true.
Wow. Did you guys make it to the 20th century yet?
You also don't need to give any vacation time and can fire people for no reason at all.
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 11:43:57 AM
Wow. Did you guys make it to the 20th century yet?
I'm not saying the American system is perfect, but it works okay. I think there is a reason more Poles want to work in America than vice versa.
I just find it bizarre. America is the richest country in the world and a lot of politicians use every opportunity to say they are pro-family. So you can't really afford paying your female employees after they give birth to babies? I mean, Poland is not a rich country and neither we are a socialist paradise but we can somehow afford a 20+ week fully paid maternity leave for new mothers (the duration is longer if multiple babies are born).
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 11:49:42 AM
I just find it bizarre. America is the richest country in the world and a lot of politicians use every opportunity to say they are pro-family. So you can't really afford paying your female employees after they give birth to babies? I mean, Poland is not a rich country and neither we are a socialist paradise but we can somehow afford a 20+ week fully paid maternity leave for new mothers (the duration is longer if multiple babies are born).
Paid maternity and paternity leave isn't uncommon here--I'm not sure how common. I haven't heard of a salaried job that didn't include paid vacation.
These things just aren't mandated by law. Lots of theories out there on why America is different than Europe in these regards. We don't have the same social and religious traditions. Also lots of Americans don't really relate to our underclass. The marginal hotel maid etc. in America is probably black or Mexican/Salvadoran/etc. In Poland that maid is probably Polish, or possibly other eastern European.
Martinus, if you really want to be shocked by how different America is from Europe, did you know that in certain places*, an employer can tell his male and female employees to have sex with each other while he watches and films, and if they don't comply he can terminate them?
*porn production studios
Quote from: alfred russel on May 30, 2015, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 11:49:42 AM
I just find it bizarre. America is the richest country in the world and a lot of politicians use every opportunity to say they are pro-family. So you can't really afford paying your female employees after they give birth to babies? I mean, Poland is not a rich country and neither we are a socialist paradise but we can somehow afford a 20+ week fully paid maternity leave for new mothers (the duration is longer if multiple babies are born).
Paid maternity and paternity leave isn't uncommon here--I'm not sure how common. I haven't heard of a salaried job that didn't include paid vacation.
These things just aren't mandated by law. Lots of theories out there on why America is different than Europe in these regards. We don't have the same social and religious traditions. Also lots of Americans don't really relate to our underclass. The marginal hotel maid etc. in America is probably black or Mexican/Salvadoran/etc. In Poland that maid is probably Polish, or possibly other eastern European.
My cleaning lady is Ukrainian. Not sure how this parses with a paid maternity leave.
Getting paid for not working is socialist and if there is something we won't tolerate around here it is socialists.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 30, 2015, 12:02:17 PM
Martinus, if you really want to be shocked by how different America is from Europe, did you know that in certain places*, an employer can tell his male and female employees to have sex with each other while he watches and films, and if they don't comply he can terminate them?
*porn production studios
I'm pretty sure they're all contractors, not statutory employees.
Anyway, another thread where Martinus feigns shock because there are differences between America and Europe. Did he make it to college yet?
(Which is not to say that it's a good thing that our labor regulation regime is backward and threadbare, only that I have no idea why anyone would be surprised that the United States, a society practically founded upon market liberalism, has a backward and threadbare labor regulation regime.)
Other thread ideas:
Is it true that you can deny the Holocaust in the US?
Is it true that 18 year olds can join the military but not drink alcohol in the US?
Is it true that gays, lesbians, and transgender people have no federal workforce protection in the US?
Is it true that you don't need to pay waged employees overtime if they're classified as "professionals" in the US?
Is it true that not every vote for president counts equally in the US?
Is it true that the capital gains tax rate is less than the top marginal income tax rate in the US?
Is it true that there is no single-payer healthcare system in the US?
Believe it or not, all these things are true!
So where's the revolution?
Pregnant women don't make good urban terrorists.
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 11:40:13 AM
Watching John Oliver now and he is claiming there is no statutory paid maternity leave in the US? Is it true? I find it hard to believe.
There is statutory rape though. Which is ironic.
Oh look, an "America sucks" thread. Haven't had one of these in a while I don't think. :sleep:
Quote from: Caliga on May 30, 2015, 01:17:07 PM
Oh look, an "America sucks" thread. Haven't had one of these in a while I don't think. :sleep:
And from Marti, nonetheless!
Marty files a brief on behalf of a client:
"Are those guys really doing this? I can't believe it!"
There is no federal statutory paid maternity leave. Some cities and states do it though. Yet not every woman in the country moves to those places. Puzzling.
Even Tyr would cringe at this thread.
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 01:05:18 PM
So where's the revolution?
We had one already to keep Europeans from telling us what to do, and we won. So why the fuck should we let Europeans tell us what to do anyway?
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 11:49:42 AM
I just find it bizarre. America is the richest country in the world and a lot of politicians use every opportunity to say they are pro-family. So you can't really afford paying your female employees after they give birth to babies? I mean, Poland is not a rich country and neither we are a socialist paradise but we can somehow afford a 20+ week fully paid maternity leave for new mothers (the duration is longer if multiple babies are born).
"They do something different to us, and they are richer than us. How is the two possible at the same time?!!!"
Quote from: Tamas on May 30, 2015, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 11:49:42 AM
I just find it bizarre. America is the richest country in the world and a lot of politicians use every opportunity to say they are pro-family. So you can't really afford paying your female employees after they give birth to babies? I mean, Poland is not a rich country and neither we are a socialist paradise but we can somehow afford a 20+ week fully paid maternity leave for new mothers (the duration is longer if multiple babies are born).
"They do something different to us, and they are richer than us. How is the two possible at the same time?!!!"
Is this a quotation from someone who has issues with English grammar?
Well no shit Grabon.
Seems like a cheap and unnecessary shot - Marti's shit was dumb enough. :P
Quote from: garbon on May 30, 2015, 04:46:04 PM
Seems like a cheap and unnecessary shot - Marti's shit was dumb enough. :P
It's a cheap and unnecessary shot if, like a UK Green, you think there is no relationship between job creation, employment, wealth, and loading up employers with expensive mandates.
I meant the writing it in some sort of stereotypical eastern euro speak.
So nothing at all to do with the cheapness or the necessity. And you're ragging on other people's writing?
Stanford and Son wouldn't do that I don't think.
I'm a little perplexed why Marty would care. He's not a woman, and he hates children. I'm surprised it he evens supports maternity leave since it's discriminatory towards gay men.
Quote from: Caliga on May 30, 2015, 01:17:07 PM
Oh look, an "America sucks" thread. Haven't had one of these in a while I don't think. :sleep:
Truth hurts.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 30, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
So nothing at all to do with the cheapness or the necessity. And you're ragging on other people's writing?
:mellow:
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2015, 11:40:13 AM
Watching John Oliver now and he is claiming there is no statutory paid maternity leave in the US? Is it true? I find it hard to believe.
Did you think Oliver was fibbing or did you have some other reason for creating this thread?
Not, now. Marty is reporting his findings back to the Law-moot.
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A potato sacrifice!
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 01, 2015, 04:57:47 PM
A potato sacrifice!
They're gruesome. They take a mature potato and poke out its eyes.