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Title: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: garbon on May 14, 2015, 04:34:15 AM
https://gma.yahoo.com/amtrak-engineer-very-distraught-doesnt-remember-crash-attorney-044400565--abc-news-topstories.html

QuoteThe engineer of the Amtrak train that crashed in Philadelphia "has absolutely no recollection of the incident or anything unusual" and "no explanation" for what caused the crash, his attorney told ABC News.

The engineer, Brandon Bostian, 32, of Queens, New York, was "very distraught" to learn that the crash killed at least seven people, the attorney, Robert Goggin, told ABC News. He added that Bostian voluntarily turned over a blood sample and his cell phone and is cooperating with authorities.

"I asked him if he had any medical issues," Goggin said. "He said he had none. He's on no medications ... He has no health issues to speak of and just has no explanation."

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Goggin noted Bostian suffered injuries in the crash, including a concussion and injuries to his legs that required treatment at a hospital.

"He remembers driving the train," Goggin said. "He remembers going to that area generally, [but] has absolutely no recollection of the incident or anything unusual. He recalls -- the next thing he recalls is being thrown around, coming to, finding his bag, getting his cell phone and dialing 911."

Later, however, Bostian learned the details.

"The television was on in the police district, and the constant count and recounting of the incident was being broadcast in his face all morning, and he was distraught," Goggin said.

Though Bostian retained an attorney, Goggin said, he has not stopped cooperating with police, and was willing to speak to National Transportation Safety Board investigators, as well.

An NTSB board member said an initial review of the train's data recorder shows that the train was going 106 mph three seconds before the recording ended, when the engineer pressed the full emergency brake application. The train was going 102 mph at the end of the recording. There is a 50 mph limit at the curve where the train derailed and a 70 mph limit for regional trains in the area preceding the curve, so the reason why the train was going so fast will be one of the biggest questions facing investigators.

Goggin said Bostian does not remember setting the emergency brake.

"He said he was pulling into speed-restricted track," Goggin said. "It was on speed-restricted track, and the next thing he recalls is waking up and looking for his cell phone."

Goggin said his client spent a great deal of time with police before he arrived.

"He was at the disposal of the police for six hours before I -- or five hours -- before I got on scene," Goggin said.

"Among other things, they indicated that they wanted to get a search warrant for his blood, which we consented to," Goggin added. "He said, 'You don't need a search warrant, happy to give it to you.' It had already been drawn at Einstein Hospital. They asked for his cell phone, which they had. [We] said, 'Have it. Take all the information you want. You don't need a search warrant for that either. We'll give it to you.' I'm assuming [authorities asked for the phone] because they want to see whether he was on the telephone at the time of the accident. So he's cooperated, and not only that, he's indicated that he would make himself available to the police if they need any more information."

Goggin described his client's physical condition as "pretty beat up." Besides a concussion, he said, "He's got 14 staples in his head, several stitches in his leg. He has one leg, the other leg immobilized with a knee problem. What he looked was exhausted."

Even so, Goggin said, Bostian shares the same concerns as other interested parties.

"The main concern is just the overwhelming tragedy, the loss of life, the injuries to so many people," Goggin said. "That's really the concern right now. That's his concern, that's the union's concern, I'm certain [it's] Amtrak's concern. It's a tragedy on all fronts."

According to his LinkedIn profile, Bostian has worked at Amtrak for nearly nine years, the first half of which he spent as a passenger conductor before he became a passenger engineer in December 2010.

:hmm:
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Liep on May 14, 2015, 04:46:44 AM
I don't get it. You have trains travelling in (at least) 80mph zones without automatic speed detection and braking?
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: The Brain on May 14, 2015, 06:53:51 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 14, 2015, 04:46:44 AM
I don't get it. You have trains travelling in (at least) 80mph zones without automatic speed detection and braking?

It's in one of the Amendments.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 14, 2015, 08:01:34 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 14, 2015, 04:46:44 AM
I don't get it. You have trains travelling in (at least) 80mph zones without automatic speed detection and braking?

That section of track did not have the override system installed yet.  The deadline is the end of this year.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: lustindarkness on May 14, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
 :hmm:
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 09:12:42 AM
I told you people, Mr. Glass is behind this.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: KRonn on May 14, 2015, 10:17:46 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 14, 2015, 08:01:34 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 14, 2015, 04:46:44 AM
I don't get it. You have trains travelling in (at least) 80mph zones without automatic speed detection and braking?

That section of track did not have the override system installed yet.  The deadline is the end of this year.

This is what I've seen reported also. Also, I have to assume there are warnings in the engineer area? That was mentioned in some reporting but no idea how valid it is, and also speculated that the warnings can be turned off.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: derspiess on May 14, 2015, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 14, 2015, 06:53:51 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 14, 2015, 04:46:44 AM
I don't get it. You have trains travelling in (at least) 80mph zones without automatic speed detection and braking?

It's in one of the Amendments.

:lol:
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: The Minsky Moment on May 14, 2015, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 14, 2015, 08:01:34 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 14, 2015, 04:46:44 AM
I don't get it. You have trains travelling in (at least) 80mph zones without automatic speed detection and braking?

That section of track did not have the override system installed yet.  The deadline is the end of this year.

Yeah crappy underfunded US infrastructure FTL
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 14, 2015, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 09:12:42 AM
I told you people, Mr. Glass is behind this.
Hell, listening to the news this morning that was my first thought.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 01:42:21 PM
I really wish M. Night Shalaamaadingdong had made sequels to that movie instead of making Signs and *shudder* The Village.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 14, 2015, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 01:42:21 PM
I really wish M. Night Shalaamaadingdong had made sequels to that movie instead of making Signs and *shudder* The Village.
I quite enjoyed it.  I don't think it had enough explosions to get any backing though. God knows, he squandered his talent after.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Barrister on May 14, 2015, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 01:42:21 PM
I really wish M. Night Shalaamaadingdong had made sequels to that movie instead of making Signs and *shudder* The Village.

The Village was like the last watchable M Night movie.

Afterwards came the real stinkers - Lady in the Water and The Happening. :x
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 14, 2015, 02:07:08 PM
The Village was like the last watchable M Night movie.
I mean I didn't walk out, but I LOLed at the ridiculous plot.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: The Brain on May 14, 2015, 02:09:52 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 14, 2015, 02:07:08 PM
The Village was like the last watchable M Night movie.
I mean I didn't walk out, but I LOLed at the ridiculous plot.

Not enough fruit trees?
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: garbon on May 14, 2015, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 14, 2015, 02:07:08 PM
The Village was like the last watchable M Night movie.
I mean I didn't walk out, but I LOLed at the ridiculous plot.

I felt like walking out...
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: lustindarkness on May 14, 2015, 02:17:31 PM
Has anyone looked closely at the train derailement pictures? There better not be a Mr Glass on his wheelchair looking around.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 14, 2015, 02:09:52 PM
Not enough fruit trees?
:D

Do you do stuff like that at work too?
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: derspiess on May 14, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
Apparently it's all the Republicans' fault.

That would be the cue for Seedy to jump in and give me an MSNBC tirade about how it really is their fault.  I miss that guy :(
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 14, 2015, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 14, 2015, 02:07:08 PM
The Village was like the last watchable M Night movie.

I actually found the twist surprising. Which is more than I can say for The Sixth Sense.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: The Brain on May 14, 2015, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 14, 2015, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 14, 2015, 02:09:52 PM
Not enough fruit trees?
:D

Do you do stuff like that at work too?

All the time.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Caliga on May 15, 2015, 06:42:06 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 14, 2015, 04:07:28 PM
I actually found the twist surprising. Which is more than I can say for The Sixth Sense.
Princesca guessed the twist to The Sixth Sense before she even saw the movie, just from the basic details of the plot her mother described to her. :D
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: lustindarkness on May 15, 2015, 08:16:07 AM
I did not figure out The Sixth Sense until a bit late in the movie.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: The Brain on May 15, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
I jizzed in my pants.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: derspiess on May 15, 2015, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 15, 2015, 08:16:07 AM
I did not figure out The Sixth Sense until a bit late in the movie.

I put off watching it, so naturally about 40 people I knew spoiled it for me.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: garbon on May 15, 2015, 09:05:25 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2015, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 15, 2015, 08:16:07 AM
I did not figure out The Sixth Sense until a bit late in the movie.

I put off watching it, so naturally about 40 people I knew spoiled it for me.

:yes:
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: garbon on May 15, 2015, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
I jizzed in my pants.

You are into the dead now too? :yeahright:
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: KRonn on May 15, 2015, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 14, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
Apparently it's all the Republicans' fault.

That would be the cue for Seedy to jump in and give me an MSNBC tirade about how it really is their fault.  I miss that guy :(

What happened with CDM??
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Siege on May 15, 2015, 09:13:17 AM
Did the religion of peace attacked again?
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 15, 2015, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 15, 2015, 09:13:17 AM
Did the religion of peace attacked again?

Nope.  Driver fucked up.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Siege on May 15, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
You sure the driver was not muslim?
There is a lot of recent muslim converts.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 15, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
Not sure.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Razgovory on May 15, 2015, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 15, 2015, 09:13:17 AM
Did the religion of peace attacked again?


Hey, remember when you lied and claimed the Germanwings crash was caused by a Muslim.  I remember, and I'll make sure everyone else remembers as well.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Barrister on May 15, 2015, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: KRonn on May 15, 2015, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 14, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
Apparently it's all the Republicans' fault.

That would be the cue for Seedy to jump in and give me an MSNBC tirade about how it really is their fault.  I miss that guy :(

What happened with CDM??

He stopped posting here.

Someone had his number and called him - he's fine.  Just not posting here.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Razgovory on May 15, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
Grumbler and Berkut have his number.  I talked a little with him over Steam.  I don't think he'll be coming back. 
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Valmy on May 15, 2015, 11:19:04 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 15, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
I don't think he'll be coming back. 

Really? Ah man :(
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 15, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 15, 2015, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
I jizzed in my pants.

You are into the dead now too? :yeahright:

https://youtu.be/VLnWf1sQkjY?t=1m47s (https://youtu.be/VLnWf1sQkjY?t=1m47s)
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Habbaku on May 15, 2015, 03:14:16 PM
I have confidence he will be back at some point, but it seems more like in the long term than short.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: lustindarkness on May 15, 2015, 03:21:20 PM
:(
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: derspiess on May 15, 2015, 03:28:44 PM
So I guess the forum was affecting his life negatively?  I don't see how you can't compartmentalize an internet discussion forum from other parts of your life.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Siege on May 15, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
What happened to CdM?
I mean, he was always cool and shit, not hysterical like Martinus when he left.

So, what motivated an squared away guy like CdM to leave?
We all got time constrains, but I for one, find Languish is very effective at keeping me grounded by discussing shit with people that totally disagree with me. I don't post as much as I would like to, or comment as much as you deserve, but I still drive by and say hello.

Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 15, 2015, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 15, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
So, what motivated an squared away guy like CdM to leave?

He hasn't been that squared away since he lost his job at SVI a couple years ago. You haven't been paying much attention.
Title: Re: Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 15, 2015, 04:09:46 PM
Quite elliptical.