The Ides of the world are wailing in protest.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-france-anorexia-idUSKBN0MU0JK20150403
QuoteFrance bans super-skinny models in anorexia clampdown
Lifestyle | Fri Apr 3, 2015 12:29pm EDT
PARIS | By Emile Picy
(Reuters) - France will ban excessively thin fashion models and expose modeling agents and the fashion houses that hire them to possible fines and even jail, under a new law passed on Friday.
The move by France, with its fashion and luxury industries worth tens of billions of euros, comes after a similar ban by Israel in 2013, while other countries, like Italy and Spain, rely on voluntary codes of conduct to protect models.
The measure is part of a campaign against anorexia by President Francois Hollande's government. Lawmakers also made it illegal to condone anorexia and said any re-touched photo that alters the bodily appearance of a model for commercial purposes must carry a message stating it had been manipulated.
"The activity of model is banned for any person whose Body Mass Index (BMI) is lower than levels proposed by health authorities and decreed by the ministers of health and labor," the legislation says.
The lawmaker behind the bill previously said models would have to present a medical certificate showing a BMI of at least 18, about 55 kg (121 lb) for a height of 1.75 meters (5.7 feet), before being hired for a job and for a few weeks afterwards.
The law, voted through the lower house of parliament by Hollande's Socialist majority despite opposition by conservative parliamentarians, envisages imprisonment of up to six months and a fine of 75,000 euros ($82,000) for any agency contravening it.
A second measure means that any website inciting a reader to "seek excessive thinness by encouraging eating restrictions for a prolonged period of time, resulting in risk of mortality or damage to health" will face up to a year in prison and fines of up to 100,000 euros.
Elite and IMG, two big modeling agencies present in France, both declined to comment on the moves.
Some 30,000-40,000 people in France suffer from anorexia, most of them teenagers, health experts estimate.
In 2010, Isabelle Caro, an anorexic 28-year-old former French fashion model, died after posing for a photographic campaign to raise awareness about the illness.
(Writing and additional reporting by Mark John; Editing by Crispian Balmer)
Five foot two and a hundred pounds will get you to 18%. I guess that sounds reasonable, but I do know a few women who wouldn't make it and are definitely not anorexic. Hate to discriminate against them.
5 7 121 is pretty damn skinny.
:mmm:
Overall, it's insane from a free speech standpoint alone, though I heartily approve of the law that requires Photoshopped images of human beings in market materials to be accompanied with a notice. Unfortunately, this isn't about preventing a public health hazard. It's another effort in the ongoing campaign to destroy body shame. On one hand, this comes from an good-hearted and ultimately legitimate place--media, especially media that seeks to sell beauty products and clothes, create an alternate universe of ultra-hot people that bears approximately zero resemblance to reality, yet is treated as "normal" by its consumers. There's a fair point to be made that this is terrible, because it warps our expectations for ourselves and others.
On the other hand, the campaign has wound up perverted by the insecurities it seeks to eradicate, arguing in earnest and rather delusionally that everyone is perfectly okay the way they are, that being fat is normal and fine, and that you have no duty to potential sexual partners to be basically attractive, something almost every human on Earth beneath the age of 40 is capable of being. This ideology is not only false, but when acted upon it is destructive of human happiness and the social order. N.b. the duty is equally applicable to men and women alike.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2015, 06:36:55 PM
The Ides of the world are wailing in protest.
Maybe Ide wouldn't have the body image issues he has if he didn't pick them up from the media.
Why does everyone think I have body dysmorphia? My girlfriend said so too. :(
Quote from: Ideologue on April 05, 2015, 07:41:42 PM
On the other hand, the campaign has wound up perverted by the insecurities it seeks to eradicate, arguing in earnest and rather delusionally that everyone is perfectly okay the way they are, that being fat is normal and fine, and that you have no duty to potential sexual partners to be basically attractive, something almost every human on Earth beneath the age of 40 is capable of being. This ideology is not only false, but when acted upon it is destructive of human happiness and the social order. N.b. the duty is equally applicable to men and women alike.
....But this is France. They're generally all slim and sexually attractive already.
Edit: Just looked it up. Average woman's BMI in France is 23, in the US it's 30 :blink:
Quote from: Ideologue on April 05, 2015, 07:44:03 PM
Why does everyone think I have body dysmorphia? My girlfriend said so too. :(
You aren't overweight for starters.
What is this wold coming to.
Quote from: Siege on April 05, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
What is this wold coming to.
Wasteland if the logging keeps up.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 05, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 05, 2015, 07:41:42 PM
On the other hand, the campaign has wound up perverted by the insecurities it seeks to eradicate, arguing in earnest and rather delusionally that everyone is perfectly okay the way they are, that being fat is normal and fine, and that you have no duty to potential sexual partners to be basically attractive, something almost every human on Earth beneath the age of 40 is capable of being. This ideology is not only false, but when acted upon it is destructive of human happiness and the social order. N.b. the duty is equally applicable to men and women alike.
....But this is France. They're generally all slim and sexually attractive already.
Edit: Just looked it up. Average woman's BMI in France is 23, in the US it's 30 :blink:
Yep. But let's wait for Jacob. I want to be told that an average BMI of motherfucking 30 doesn't distort the sexual market for the twentieth time.
(In fairness, men are a lot fatter these days too. You may want to pay attention, S, Mart, garbon, etc., because this affects you.)
I hope this is followed by the mirror measure that would ban people with BMI over a certain level from eating at McDonald's. Obesity is a much greater health concern for a much larger group of people than anorexia is, and at least models get paid for what they do.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 05, 2015, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 05, 2015, 07:44:03 PM
Why does everyone think I have body dysmorphia? My girlfriend said so too. :(
You aren't overweight for starters.
And if I were Grallon's seventeen year old boyfriend, that would be the sole criterion. :P
It's also occasionally untrue; I slip into BMI>25 every now and again. :weep:
I gained weight and my BMI is now nearly 27. :(
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2015, 12:42:04 AM
I hope this is followed by the mirror measure that would ban people with BMI over a certain level from eating at McDonald's. Obesity is a much greater health concern for a much larger group of people than anorexia is, and at least models get paid for what they do.
As much as obesity is a problem (though is it really in France?) you are missing the point.
Anorexic models are pushing and reinforcing an unnatural and unhealthy image to people.
I can't think of anyone who wants to be like a fat dude/chick going to MacDonalds.
Yes but with the advent of "anti-bullying" campaigns and witchhunts against "fat shaming" more and more unhealthy, obese people are being told that being as fat as they are is ok, and they should stop listening to people who tell them to get into a better shape. This is much greater public health concern than a handful of girls who become anorexic because of watching some models.
I, for one, I am perplexed that we ban marijuhana and restrict consumption of alcohol and cigarettes, but noone jails a mother who feeds her kid a Big Mac every day for child abuse.
So telling people to be OK with their bodies is worse than making them feel ashamed of their bodies.
Quote from: sbr on April 06, 2015, 01:22:45 AM
So telling people to be OK with their bodies is worse than making them feel ashamed of their bodies.
It depends in what condition their bodies are, wouldn't you agree? Telling an alcoholic or a drug addict to be ok with his addiction is probably worse than making him ashamed of it, no?
Unlike what all the hippy new age types tell you, shame is not always a destructive or dysfunctional emotion - being ashamed about one's shortcomings is usually the first step towards trying to overcome and correct them.
Banning work opportunities based on wage seems to be discriminatory. Does this work with the EU anti-discrimination rules?
Quote from: Zanza on April 06, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
Banning work opportunities based on wage seems to be discriminatory. Does this work with the EU anti-discrimination rules?
They're not the first in the EU to do so, so maybe, they might still be fighting it in the courts.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0403/France-bans-models-who-are-too-thin.-Should-US-follow-suit-video
QuoteFrance has joined Italy, Spain, and Israel in banning models that are "excessively thin" in advertising campaigns or on catwalks.
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2015, 12:37:50 AM
(In fairness, men are a lot fatter these days too. You may want to pay attention, S, Mart, garbon, etc., because this affects you.)
:unsure:
Quote from: Zanza on April 06, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
Banning work opportunities based on wage seems to be discriminatory. Does this work with the EU anti-discrimination rules?
I guess they could try to fit it under health and safety requirements. It may be a bit of a stretch, but still banning blind people from being bus drivers is not a discrimination based on disability either. ;)
I don't know about France itself but here, where quarter or more of the people are French, you pretty much never see a fat person :hmm:
I find anorexics as repulsive as the next guy, but hiding them from the world won't magically make the problem go away. France is retarded. And what's the next step? Will they help the Germans round them up and send them to the East?
Quote from: The Brain on April 06, 2015, 04:07:34 AM
I find anorexics as repulsive as the next guy, but hiding them from the world won't magically make the problem go away. France is retarded. And what's the next step? Will they help the Germans round them up and send them to the East?
Did they say they were going to lock them away? :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on April 06, 2015, 04:10:16 AM
Quote from: The Brain on April 06, 2015, 04:07:34 AM
I find anorexics as repulsive as the next guy, but hiding them from the world won't magically make the problem go away. France is retarded. And what's the next step? Will they help the Germans round them up and send them to the East?
Did they say they were going to lock them away? :unsure:
:unsure:
Not letting them be models is not the same as hiding them from the world. ;)
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2015, 03:18:27 AM
Quote from: Zanza on April 06, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
Banning work opportunities based on wage seems to be discriminatory. Does this work with the EU anti-discrimination rules?
I guess they could try to fit it under health and safety requirements. It may be a bit of a stretch, but still banning blind people from being bus drivers is not a discrimination based on disability either. ;)
Blind bus drivers are unfit to do their work by objective criteria. Thin models are obviously not as otherwise we wouldn't have this debate in the first place. As far as I can tell, the law seems to try to protect the public by not creating a "positive" image of anorexia or excessive thinness. It is not meant to protect the models themselves as anorexia can obviously not be made illegal, so it is not about their health and safety and merely limits their job opportunities.
Seems like the same objections could be made for any "plus size" models. But it's really about making fat people feel better about ourselves, not about the health of the models.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 06, 2015, 05:24:49 AM
Seems like the same objections could be made for any "plus size" models. But it's really about making fat people feel better about ourselves, not about the health of the models.
Are plus size models a common thing on French runways?
They're a common thing in catalogs.
Quote from: garbon on April 06, 2015, 05:25:57 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 06, 2015, 05:24:49 AM
Seems like the same objections could be made for any "plus size" models. But it's really about making fat people feel better about ourselves, not about the health of the models.
Are plus size models a common thing on French runways?
Why are french runways the sole criteria you mention for evaluating body types?
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2015, 12:48:33 AM
I gained weight and my BMI is now nearly 27. :(
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I *lost* weight and my BMI is nearly 32. :(
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 06, 2015, 05:33:53 AM
They're a common thing in catalogs.
I bow to your knowledge of European catalogs. :blush:
BMI is 24.2 and has been around there since I was about 17 with the exception of the 19-20 years for obvious reasons.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 06, 2015, 06:45:01 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2015, 12:48:33 AM
I gained weight and my BMI is now nearly 27. :(
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:D
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
It's also occasionally untrue; I slip into BMI>25 every now and again. :weep:
:console: You and me both. I did the calculation today and I'm 25.4 :bleeding:
I found this tool appropriately shaming:
http://www.nhs.uk/tools/pages/healthyweightcalculator.aspx
With its bolded all-caps
OVERWEIGHT :blush:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
It's also occasionally untrue; I slip into BMI>25 every now and again. :weep:
:console: You and me both. I did the calculation today and I'm 25.4 :bleeding:
I found this tool appropriately shaming:
http://www.nhs.uk/tools/pages/healthyweightcalculator.aspx
With its bolded all-caps OVERWEIGHT :blush:
Stones. :bleeding:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
It's also occasionally untrue; I slip into BMI>25 every now and again. :weep:
:console: You and me both. I did the calculation today and I'm 25.4 :bleeding:
I found this tool appropriately shaming:
http://www.nhs.uk/tools/pages/healthyweightcalculator.aspx
With its bolded all-caps OVERWEIGHT :blush:
38.7
No surprise. Although since I reached my full height I've never been as low as 12st 12lb which is supposed to be the maximum healthy weight for my body height. Yet when I was 19 (just before I went to University) my ribs were showing which I, personally, would consider a sign of being underweight. :hmm:
This is the most retarded thing ever.
Why does the goverment have to intervine and regulate this?
How are they going to enforced? More buracracy and more taxpayer expenditure.
Quote from: Agelastus on April 06, 2015, 09:33:58 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
It's also occasionally untrue; I slip into BMI>25 every now and again. :weep:
:console: You and me both. I did the calculation today and I'm 25.4 :bleeding:
I found this tool appropriately shaming:
http://www.nhs.uk/tools/pages/healthyweightcalculator.aspx
With its bolded all-caps OVERWEIGHT :blush:
38.7
No surprise. Although since I reached my full height I've never been as low as 12st 12lb which is supposed to be the maximum healthy weight for my body height. Yet when I was 19 (just before I went to University) my ribs were showing which I, personally, would consider a sign of being underweight. :hmm:
Sounds like you overshot the mark? :hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 06, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
BMI is 24.2 and has been around there since I was about 17 with the exception of the 19-20 years for obvious reasons.
How old are you Tim?
Quote from: garbon on April 06, 2015, 12:17:25 PM
Sounds like you overshot the mark? :hmm:
Several marks, probably, if you look at it like that! :)
For one thing, I'm over the weight limit of most of the exercise bikes sold on Amazon! :lol:
I'm well within what bmi terms "healthy weight" but I know enough to know that means little
I must admit, I heard about this and realized that the news has finally found that one thing about which I care the least: the employability of under-eating so-called "fashion" models in some other country.
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2015, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 06, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
BMI is 24.2 and has been around there since I was about 17 with the exception of the 19-20 years for obvious reasons.
How old are you Tim?
32
Hey of you can't make weight, just get implants. :lol:
Quote from: Agelastus on April 06, 2015, 09:33:58 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
It's also occasionally untrue; I slip into BMI>25 every now and again. :weep:
:console: You and me both. I did the calculation today and I'm 25.4 :bleeding:
I found this tool appropriately shaming:
http://www.nhs.uk/tools/pages/healthyweightcalculator.aspx
With its bolded all-caps OVERWEIGHT :blush:
38.7
No surprise. Although since I reached my full height I've never been as low as 12st 12lb which is supposed to be the maximum healthy weight for my body height. Yet when I was 19 (just before I went to University) my ribs were showing which I, personally, would consider a sign of being underweight. :hmm:
I'm at 37.8. :Embarrass:
I intend to be dropping that soon, though I need to get my sleeping in order. No way I'm going all the way down to 206, though. That would be unhealthy thin.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 06, 2015, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2015, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 06, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
BMI is 24.2 and has been around there since I was about 17 with the exception of the 19-20 years for obvious reasons.
How old are you Tim?
32
Ok, then it is pretty good.
According to the BMI formula, last time I sported a sixpack I was still 27 BMI though. I'm naturally very bulky.
Incidentally, going back to the whole "fat shaming" discussion - I don't think people are really getting fat shamed any more, quite the opposite.
I am friends on Facebook with a handful of really really obese people. These people constantly post pictures of shit they eat - and it's stuff that can clog your arteries just by looking at it - and noone calls them out on it.
Imagine having a friend who you know is a drug addict or an alcoholic posting pictures of heroin needles or vodka bottles from their latest binge - would all of their friends "like" it too?
Personally, I don't get the whole "fat pride" thing going on. It's not an image issue, it's a health issue. Being fat isn't healthy in the long run. You don't need to torture yourself to look like one of those models of beauty perpetrated upon us, but you should try to be healthy.
I know. Most of us get overweight with age and it is always a struggle in the long run (just as with other unhealthy things, such as booze, cigarettes, drugs etc.). But that is not the reason to just give up and say people who tell you this crap is bad for you are "bullies".
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 02:51:54 AM
I don't think people are really getting fat shamed any more
I would suggest not using social media as the only gauge of people's activities/behaviors. :P
Quote from: celedhring on April 07, 2015, 03:28:44 AM
Personally, I don't get the whole "fat pride" thing going on.
Just be glad you don't live over here.
http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/plus-size-boudoir-photo-shoot
:bleeding:
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 02:51:54 AM
I don't think people are really getting fat shamed any more
I would suggest not using social media as the only gauge of people's activities/behaviors. :P
Are you suggesting that more fat shaming happens offline than online?
France has finally done something right. Down with skinny chicks who look like gay dudes. :thumbsdown:
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 02:51:54 AM
I am friends on Facebook with a handful of really really obese people. These people constantly post pictures of shit they eat - and it's stuff that can clog your arteries just by looking at it - and noone calls them out on it.
Did you think poorly of me when I posted pictures of my smoked salmon? :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 02:51:54 AM
I am friends on Facebook with a handful of really really obese people. These people constantly post pictures of shit they eat - and it's stuff that can clog your arteries just by looking at it - and noone calls them out on it.
Did you think poorly of me when I posted pictures of my smoked salmon? :(
Salmon is pretty healthy, isn't it?
Yes but I had quinoa and rice with it. :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Yes but I had quinoa and rice with it. :(
Quinoa is good for you and as long as as the rice is some exotic-looking or -sounding variety the health nuts will give you a pass for it.
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Yes but I had quinoa and rice with it. :(
When did you become a fag?
Yeah salmon and rice are fine (havent noticed the post by the way). I mean crap like "icecream and chocolate burrito" or a steak "sandwich" between two "buns" of fried chicken with a side of fries.
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
Yeah salmon and rice are fine (havent noticed the post by the way). I mean crap like "icecream and chocolate burrito" or a steak "sandwich" between two "buns" of fried chicken with a side of fries.
My favorite is the hamburger where the buns are ... donuts. :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Burger
I generally eat like a teenager but I could never imagine eating a donut burger. Gross.
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Yes but I had quinoa and rice with it. :(
It's a kwee-no!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsjMAVhVVc
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
I mean crap like "icecream and chocolate burrito" or a steak "sandwich" between two "buns" of fried chicken with a side of fries.
I have yet to see a statistically-significant number of people actually eat they way you claim in this thread they do.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 07, 2015, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Yes but I had quinoa and rice with it. :(
When did you become a fag?
Princesca is responsible for the rice and quinoa. :)
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 07, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
I mean crap like "icecream and chocolate burrito" or a steak "sandwich" between two "buns" of fried chicken with a side of fries.
I have yet to see a statistically-significant number of people actually eat they way you claim in this thread they do.
The steak & fried chicken sandwich idea sounds intriguing though. :hmm:
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 07, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
I mean crap like "icecream and chocolate burrito" or a steak "sandwich" between two "buns" of fried chicken with a side of fries.
I have yet to see a statistically-significant number of people actually eat they way you claim in this thread they do.
Statistically-signifcant doesn't matter much in Martyland. He prefers to judge Americans by exaggerations and stuff he sees on South Park.
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 12:01:54 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 07, 2015, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Yes but I had quinoa and rice with it. :(
When did you become a fag?
Princesca is responsible for the rice and quinoa. :)
I guess the follow-up would be "when did Princesa turn you into a fag"?
Not a question I myself would ask, mind :goodboy:
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
Yeah salmon and rice are fine (havent noticed the post by the way). I mean crap like "icecream and chocolate burrito" or a steak "sandwich" between two "buns" of fried chicken with a side of fries.
I like to try shit like that on occasion, especially when I am in foreign countries. My BMI is 25 and I don't look particularly fat, so fuck it. :P
Eating one of those fried chocolate bars in Scotland is on my bucket list. :bowler:
It's a wonderful experience, as is chip shop haggis :mmm:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
as is chip shop haggis :mmm:
I am generally not a big fan of innards. I don't like most meat with bones either. I guess I'll be an early adopter of that lab grown artificial meat. That's just my kind of product. No ethic qualms and none of the nastier bits of living animals. :blush:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
It's a wonderful experience, as is chip shop haggis :mmm:
When I was going to high school, there was a local chip shop called "The Frying Scotsman" that served, among other things, haggis and deep-fried mars bars. I never tried either, but they were on the menu.
The odd thing about that place is that it was owned and run by a Chinese gentleman. If the "Scotsman" wasn't
doing the frying ... :huh: :yuk:
Quote from: Zanza on April 07, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
as is chip shop haggis :mmm:
I am generally not a big fan of innards. I don't like most meat with bones either. I guess I'll be an early adopter of that lab grown artificial meat. That's just my kind of product. No ethic qualms and none of the nastier bits of living animals. :blush:
I've yet to meet a person, whatever their fears beforehand, who has not enjoyed haggis. It's basically a peppery sausage :)
As to the rest you sound a lot like my mum actually.
Is haggis like blood sausage? Because I love it (at least the Polish version). Fried in butter with onions it is delicious.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
As to the rest you sound a lot like my mum actually.
Your mum must be a total badass.
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2015, 03:00:00 PM
Is haggis like blood sausage? Because I love it (at least the Polish version). Fried in butter with onions it is delicious.
Similar. But different in crucial ways. But I'm the same, I've yet to find a blood sausage I don't like: black pudding, boudin noir, morcilla :mmm:
White pudding is also marvellous.
You should check out "kaszanka" (maybe spelled "kashanka" or some such in the UK) in one of the Polish shops. :P
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.polskieradio.pl%2F8e62d4be-ed68-4060-a014-26d2f41135b6.file&hash=7e7ee77bb8ba761cec949a2eafc29808143f1752)
Ozwplzpnd. :(
edit: Damnit, you fixed it :P
Rikvrd!
:P
My main obsessions from Polish shops and cafes are pierogi and Marlenka cake :blush:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2015, 03:14:45 PM
My main obsessions from Polish shops and cafes are pierogi and Marlenka cake :blush:
Hmm, not sure I ever heard the name "Marlenka" before. What is it like?
Oh I just googled it. I didn't know it was called that. I didn't even know it was Polish! :P
You should try makowiec. :P
Makowiec :mmm:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkulinarne.info%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F03%2Fmakowiec-zawijany-4.jpg&hash=dd28a15049a05adccbd8ec9fbd6defd667d0841d)
I like sandoweic.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: Zanza on April 07, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
as is chip shop haggis :mmm:
I am generally not a big fan of innards. I don't like most meat with bones either. I guess I'll be an early adopter of that lab grown artificial meat. That's just my kind of product. No ethic qualms and none of the nastier bits of living animals. :blush:
I've yet to meet a person, whatever their fears beforehand, who has not enjoyed haggis. It's basically a peppery sausage :)
As to the rest you sound a lot like my mum actually.
Indeed - ordered haggis in a pub in Edinburgh was some apprehension, but it really just was like a sausage meat.
I also tried eating blood sausage as part of a "full scottish" breakfast, and that wasn't nearly as enjoyable. :yucky:
The black part in makowiec is a sweet moist poppy seed mass mixed with honey, raisins and candied fruit (especially orange peel). :mmm:
Apparently it's Armenian but the only places I see it are the Polish places :lol:
And of course will do, if I ever see it. I feel I've tried the poppy seed one but not the walnut variety :o
Maybe I should bring some to the London meet. Could get arrested for smuggling opiates though. :lol:
:o UKIP would go insane. Gay Polish lawyer who's worked in Brussels smuggling drugs.
Better than smuggling plums.
Carrot cake from Frisch's. :)
I love blood sausage. But it is hard to find in these parts.
Here's what I know of Polish food:
pierogi (I like em best with meat)
ponchki or however you spell those donut analogs
The end.
Kielbasa? Hello?
I think of that as Polish sausage.
Hm, wait :hmm: :Embarrass:
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2015, 06:17:54 PM
Here's what I know of Polish food:
pierogi (I like em best with meat)
ponchki or however you spell those donut analogs
The end.
Polish food is but a poor imitation of Ukrainian food, but you're missing quite a few classics...
As Yi (incorrectly) mentions, there's kubasa, but also holoptchi, borsht, kutia, pedeshkia, the eternal chicken kiev, even good old fashioned Ukrainian klieb...
(please note I have no idea hot to spell any of this good stuff - my Ukrainian is learned entirely phonetically)
Quote from: Barrister on April 07, 2015, 11:32:23 PM
As Yi (incorrectly) mentions,
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0286%2F5470%2Fproducts%2FPolska-Kielbasa-Polish-Sausage-Hillshire-Farm_1024x1024.jpg%3Fv%3D1424819192&hash=7d0c0f52e82e9d86d672d6802700a856f526be41)
This looks super artificial.
In any case, "Polish sausage" is a bit like "French cheese" or "Belgian beer". There are so many diverse types out there...
Some of my favourite ones are "kabanos", "sucha krakowska" ("dry Cracovian" sausage) and boar sausage.
Kabanos (this particular is made from horse meat but there are pork and poultry varieties too):
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.horecanet.pl%2Fgetmedia%2Fe77d7403-0ef5-45c5-90f3-34cf4bdde977%2Ftarczynski-kabanosy.jpg&hash=c6d45db8799e20d48dd2da9b6bf32567ced33df3)
Dry Cracovian:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bangla.pl%2Fzdjecia%2Fkrakowski-kredens-kielbasa-rotmistrza-krakowska-sucha-d30932_2_3950.jpg&hash=71d24a1edf95d454357247818e5731f6d3d9da36)
Wild boar:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.garnek.pl%2Fa.garnek.pl%2F016%2F430%2F16430364_800.0.jpg%2Fkielbasa-z-dzika.jpg&hash=7fff6c69cfcf4eca84bd118d2a8f963ba27a50bf)
:mmm:
Incidentally, I love how I went from rants against people who eat unhealthy to posting pictures of fat Polish specialties.
Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative. :P
I don't think horse meat would be all that popular in the North American market.
Also, the traditional Easter brunch dish: roasted "white" sausage:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbi.gazeta.pl%2Fim%2F4e%2F14%2Ff1%2Fz15799374Q%2CBiala-kielbasa-pieczona-z-pietruszka--czosnkiem-i-.jpg&hash=04a498eae577698a3fbce03f3f1b72afd9ff7534)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 08, 2015, 03:23:46 AM
I don't think horse meat would be all that popular in the North American market.
Yeah it's funny how these things are. But as I said there are plenty of non-horse meat kabanos.
Kielbasa is awesome.
I keep my exposure to Polish foods limited to the Polack cookies in the international aisle at Big Lots.
Quote from: Barrister on April 07, 2015, 11:32:23 PM
(please note I have no idea hot to spell any of this good stuff - my Ukrainian is learned entirely phonetically)
Don't worry, it's the same with me and Pennsylvania Dutch... most of it I've just heard spoken and never seen written.
"hog maw" (???) - our version of saumangen
"sitszenzeehauf" (???) - sit down!
edit: Oh Beeb, I've also had the Uke version of ponchkey... I think it's called 'pumpaha' ? :hmm:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2015, 07:35:01 AM
I keep my exposure to Polish foods limited to the Polack cookies in the international aisle at Big Lots.
They have those same cookies at Dollar General.
Quote from: Martinus on April 08, 2015, 03:16:15 AM
In any case, "Polish sausage" is a bit like "French cheese" or "Belgian beer". There are so many diverse types out there...
Even our Polacks in Chicaaago say "Polish Sausage". You'd think they'd be more specific.
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2015, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2015, 07:35:01 AM
I keep my exposure to Polish foods limited to the Polack cookies in the international aisle at Big Lots.
They have those same cookies at Dollar General.
I shop at better dollar stores. Like Dollar Tree.
They probably forgot how to make all those other kinds of sausage once they came over. :hmm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kXX0xxuF3A
Authoritarian bullshit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11513328/France-makes-glorifying-anorexia-online-punishable-by-prison.html
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France makes glorifying anorexia online punishable by prison
French parliament passes law to stamp out "thinspiration" websites that suggest being painfully thin is a lifestyle choice, but abandons amendment punishing agencies that employ very thin models.
By Henry Samuel, Paris
9:17PM BST 02 Apr 2015
Glorifying anorexia or excessive "skinniness" on the internet will be a criminal offence in France under a new law passed on Thursday.
A host of websites claim to offer beauty tips to girls as young as 12, including starving themselves to create stick legs and a yawning "thigh gap".
Now, those who run so-called "pro-ana" or "thinsipirational" websites risk a maximum year's imprisonment and a fine of €10,000 (£7,344) for "provoking people to excessive thinness by encouraging prolonged dietary restrictions that could expose them to a danger of death or directly impair their health".
The measure was voted as an amendment to a broader health reform.
However, a second proposal to slap fines and prison sentences on anyone employing undernourished fashion models was abandoned last week.
The measure, which sought to oblige models to provide medical certificates showing their Body Mass Index, or BMI, was dropped on the grounds that it would violate France's employment law on discrimination in job recruitment.
Maud Olivier and Catherine Coutelle, two Socialist members who tabled the successful amendment, said: "Some sites known as 'pro-ana' can push people into a vicious circle of anorexia and authorities cannot do anything about it."
They insisted that it would not threaten freedom of expression on the internet, but would help distinguish between harmful sites that celebrated anorexia, and those created to support women suffering from the condition.
Dr Olivier Véran, a Socialist MP and neurologist who tabled the amendment to ban particularly thin models from the catwalk, said he was disappointed not to be able to punish those who "promote malnutrition and commercially exploit people who are endangering their own health".
But he welcomed the successful amendment. "The social impact of the image promoted by fashion, in which women must be skinny to a pathological degree to be beautiful and go on the catwalk is very strong."
France's burgeoning fashion industry has often been criticised for promoting wafer thin models. Star Chanel designer Karl Lagerfeld recently insisted that the industry refused to employ women who were anorexic.
However, Ines Dauxerre, whose daughter Victoire, a former supermodel, had recovered from anorexia, said that talk of starvation diets was taboo in the fashion world.
"There really is pressure on them. They are congratulated for losing weight. They are measured for their thigh circumference, but the fashion world won't ever admit to it," Ms Dauxerre told Europe 1.
Up to an estimated 40,000 people suffer from anorexia in France, nine out of 10 of them women and girls.
Nah, it's just feel-good bullshit that legislators can use in their re-election campaigns. No one is going to admit that they "run" such sites, and they will continue to exist unabated. French parliamentarians may be slightly foolish, like all politicians, but they know they can't actually control the internet. China can't, and it's spending a fuckton of money and credibility trying.