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General Category => Off the Record => Topic started by: jimmy olsen on June 17, 2009, 05:54:50 PM

Title: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 17, 2009, 05:54:50 PM
Wow, that sucks. If it's really that widespread they should just relocate the population.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/17/montana.asbestos/

QuoteAsbestos cleanup 'emergency' declared in Montana town

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A northwest Montana town where asbestos contamination has killed more than 200 people will get more than $130 million in cleanup and medical assistance from the Obama administration, the Environmental Protection Agency announced Wednesday.

The declaration is the first issued by the agency, which has grappled with the "toxic legacy" of a mine outside Libby, Montana, since 1999, Administrator Lisa Jackson said.

The town was heavily contaminated with asbestos-laced dust that federal prosecutors said resulted in more than 200 deaths and 1,000 illnesses.

"For decades, the disease and death rate from asbestosis in the Libby area was staggeringly high -- much higher than the national average," Jackson told reporters.

Not only did dust from the mine spread all over Libby and the neighboring town of Troy for decades, but tailings from the facility also were used as fill for driveways, gardens and playgrounds, she said.

"Literally no matter where these residents turned, they were being exposed yet again," Jackson said. She said the declaration "should be a reminder of the serious consequences of mismanaging hazardous material."

EPA spokeswoman Adora Andy said $6 million from the Department of Health and Human Services will go to local health care providers to screen, diagnose and treat asbestos-related illnesses, while $125 million will go toward cleaning up contaminated areas. The new commitment brings the total amount the EPA has designated for the Libby area to $333 million, she said.

The agency still needs to conduct "significant research" into the health effects of the type of asbestos that has been spread around town since the 1920s, she said, and does not yet know how many properties will need to be cleaned up.

During Jackson's confirmation hearing in January, Montana Sen. Max Baucus said the valley's 12,000 residents had been "hung out to dry" and pressed Jackson to review the issue. Wednesday, Baucus presented Jackson and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius with a photo of one of his constituents, former miner Les Skramstad.

"He died, and others in Libby have died," said Baucus, a Democrat. "But the decision is the beginning of what needed to be done. It's the first time in American history that we've had this declaration, and I cannot think of a more fitting time and place for it than Libby, Montana."

Baucus is the former chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee and now leads the Finance Committee. He is a key architect of a still-being-drafted health care bill the Obama administration has said it wants to see pass this year.

The Libby operation began producing vermiculite -- a mineral often used in insulation -- in 1919. Dust from the plant covered patches of grass, dusted the tops of cars and drifted through the air in a hazy smoke that became a part of residents' daily lives.

But the product was contaminated with tremolite asbestos, a particularly toxic substance that has been linked to mesothelioma, a cancer that can attack the lining of the lungs, abdomen, or heart.

In May, a federal jury acquitted mine operator W.R. Grace and three of its former executives of criminal charges related to the contamination. Grace operated the facility from 1963 until it closed in 1990, and prosecutors argued that its executives knowingly released the substance and tried to hide the danger from the community.

Baucus said that despite the verdict, he still believes the company "knew it was contaminating the town."
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"Regrettably, the trial did not conclude the way I thought that it should," he said.

There was no immediate response from the company to the senator's remarks. During the three-month trial, Grace did not deny that the asbestos came from its mine, but it said it acted responsibly to clean up the contamination. It also paid millions in medical bills for area residents, and agreed in 2008 to pay $250 million to reimburse the EPA for its cleanup efforts.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on December 28, 2011, 08:42:14 AM
W.R. Grace strikes again.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: DGuller on December 28, 2011, 08:56:08 AM
I shudder to think when I remember in my youth in Ukraine, we had a couple of asbestos sheets stored in our apartment for someone to pick up.  That was in 1990ies.  For some time I couldn't grasp why in America those pretty white sheets were considered a scourge.  When I did grasp, I couldn't grasp how in Soviet Union it wasn't considered a scourge even in 1990ies.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Martinus on December 28, 2011, 10:30:07 AM
It was considered a scourge in Poland in 1990s too.

But look at the bright side - at least you didnt have radiation. Oh wait...
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2011, 10:55:57 AM
Quotewhere asbestos contamination has killed more than 200 people will get more than $130 million in cleanup and medical assistance from the Obama administration, the Environmental Protection Agency announced Wednesday.

Boy, won't it be fun to watch the GOP 2012 winner eliminate the EPA and save $130 million of the deficit.  BIG GUVMINT WRONG
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Maladict on December 28, 2011, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: DGuller on December 28, 2011, 08:56:08 AM
I shudder to think when I remember in my youth in Ukraine, we had a couple of asbestos sheets stored in our apartment for someone to pick up.  That was in 1990ies.  For some time I couldn't grasp why in America those pretty white sheets were considered a scourge.  When I did grasp, I couldn't grasp how in Soviet Union it wasn't considered a scourge even in 1990ies.

Those sheets are quite harmless as long as you don't break them apart, or sand them.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: DGuller on December 28, 2011, 11:44:26 AM
Quote from: Maladict on December 28, 2011, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: DGuller on December 28, 2011, 08:56:08 AM
I shudder to think when I remember in my youth in Ukraine, we had a couple of asbestos sheets stored in our apartment for someone to pick up.  That was in 1990ies.  For some time I couldn't grasp why in America those pretty white sheets were considered a scourge.  When I did grasp, I couldn't grasp how in Soviet Union it wasn't considered a scourge even in 1990ies.

Those sheets are quite harmless as long as you don't break them apart, or sand them.
Yes, I know that loose fibers and dust are what's dangerous.  Still, those sheets are not something I'd choose to have near me if I knew then what I know now.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 28, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 28, 2011, 08:42:14 AM
W.R. Grace strikes again.
Why did you bump a post from June 2009?  :huh:
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Ideologue on December 28, 2011, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 28, 2011, 08:56:08 AM
I shudder to think when I remember in my youth in Ukraine, we had a couple of asbestos sheets stored in our apartment for someone to pick up.  That was in 1990ies.  For some time I couldn't grasp why in America those pretty white sheets were considered a scourge.  When I did grasp, I couldn't grasp how in Soviet Union it wasn't considered a scourge even in 1990ies.

This is the most Russiantastic post ever, both in content and style.  It's about a deadly health concern ignored by society at large, and in relating your anecdote you only used one article, or maybe two if you argued the point.  You are a true Hero of Socialist Labor. :hug:

In Soviet Russia, asbestosis gets you!

Anyway, on the plus side, I guess this town will save a lot of money on fire insurance.

Quote from: TimWhy did you bump a post from June 2009?

Aw, hell.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on December 28, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
NO one responded to it and I thought it was worth discussing again. See? We generated content. Much needed content.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Ideologue on December 28, 2011, 11:40:30 PM
"In 1990ies, we have perestroika and Bon Jovi come to melt our face with sizzling guitar riff on Peace Festival.  Good time."








I know that was in 1989.  FU.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 28, 2011, 11:43:06 PM
What's with your Bon Jovi obsession?
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Ideologue on December 29, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
Their towering achievements in rock, of course.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: garbon on December 29, 2011, 02:09:39 AM
:yeahright:
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on December 29, 2011, 08:43:58 AM
He had one hell of a cameo on 30 Rock.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: KRonn on December 29, 2011, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 28, 2011, 08:56:08 AM
I shudder to think when I remember in my youth in Ukraine, we had a couple of asbestos sheets stored in our apartment for someone to pick up.  That was in 1990ies.  For some time I couldn't grasp why in America those pretty white sheets were considered a scourge.  When I did grasp, I couldn't grasp how in Soviet Union it wasn't considered a scourge even in 1990ies.
Recently there was a news story on Kazakhstan I think it was. A town there was dependent on the local asbestos mine, still mining the stuff and still a market for it.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Ideologue on December 29, 2011, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 29, 2011, 02:09:39 AM
:yeahright:

This is why I'm the Arbiter and you're not.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: garbon on December 29, 2011, 04:09:54 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 29, 2011, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 29, 2011, 02:09:39 AM
:yeahright:

This is why I'm the Arbiter and you're not.

Because you have white trash tastes?
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: Ideologue on December 29, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
Because I am a fair and impartial judge.  Look at you with your preconceptions.
Title: Re: Asbestos devastates Montana town.
Post by: garbon on December 29, 2011, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 29, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
Because I am a fair and impartial judge.  Look at you with your preconceptions.

Yes, I freely admit to my preconceptions whereas you pretend to have none.