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Title: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2015, 06:53:14 AM
Apparently there's a heated internet discussion about whether this dress is black/blue or gold/white.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F40.media.tumblr.com%2F8d21810e051971e683aeba4f6824a30d%2Ftumblr_nkf9k3aJYZ1rary66o1_500.jpg&hash=b83ed95b5525922a012df3e36ccf10d883ff28a4)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn01.cdn.justjared.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fheadlines%2F2015%2F02%2Fthis-dress-is-causing-twitter-debate.jpg&hash=df2ebecde10604c650bbdc7454f0a12f59bc43dc)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.utsandiego.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F2015%2F02%2F26%2Fthe_dress_r620x349.jpg%3F75d51d0aea2efce5189afce216053cbc530c46a8&hash=0e2b8c1d3221689031d331ec22ee63f264978f80)

I see it Gold/White.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
The dress is actually blue and black.  That shot is heavily overexposed or something.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:01:40 AM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, did you just edit that post?
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
I could swear it was white and gold, then i googled and found the dress in better lighting and now i can only see it as black and blue
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 07:02:48 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
The dress is actually blue and black.  That shot is heavily overexposed or something.

Yes but I think whoever sees the picture as blue and black or close to it needs to fucking stop using a near pitch-black monitor
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Grey Fox on February 27, 2015, 07:05:17 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 07:02:48 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
The dress is actually blue and black.  That shot is heavily overexposed or something.

Yes but I think whoever sees the picture as blue and black or close to it needs to fucking stop using a near pitch-black monitor

That has nothing to do with it. I use a dark monitor & I see it has white & gold.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:07:18 AM
That actually freaked me out a bit, but apparently it's the brain playing tricks as usual. It has to do with what light setting you perceive there is, if like me you thought it was back lighting and that the colours was underplayed you would see white and gold, but when you know it's really heavy lighting it clearly becomes black and blue.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 27, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
Syt is 18% gray.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2015, 09:41:47 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:07:18 AM
That actually freaked me out a bit, but apparently it's the brain playing tricks as usual. It has to do with what light setting you perceive there is, if like me you thought it was back lighting and that the colours was underplayed you would see white and gold, but when you know it's really heavy lighting it clearly becomes black and blue.

So yeah, I was getting kinda frustrated that I couldn't will myself to see it blue/black, even though I understand that those are the correct colors.

I've now looked at a few articles, including ones where they balanced the picture to show the real colors clearly, and now the original pictures suddenly are clearly bleached blue/black. :wacko:

(Though looking at it longer it fades back to white/gold. I'm never again giving Ancient Greeks for distinguishing colors by light vs. dark rather than hue and having one word that might mean dark blue/dark green/brown/black/... and others that might mean light blue/light green/yellow/...).
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 09:43:35 AM
The dress is a lie?
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
I am tired of hearing about that stupid dress.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: mongers on February 27, 2015, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
I am tired of hearing about that stupid dress.

End of Western civilization as we know it? :unsure:
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 27, 2015, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
I am tired of hearing about that stupid dress.

End of Western civilization as we know it? :unsure:

I guess I just have more important things in life to worry about.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: mongers on February 27, 2015, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 27, 2015, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
I am tired of hearing about that stupid dress.

End of Western civilization as we know it? :unsure:

I guess I just have more important things in life to worry about.

No Lusti, I was agreeing with you. :)
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 27, 2015, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 27, 2015, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
I am tired of hearing about that stupid dress.

End of Western civilization as we know it? :unsure:

I guess I just have more important things in life to worry about.

No Lusti, I was agreeing with you. :)

Yes, I know. And Western Civilization has ended as we know it anyway, see: reality TV.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Iormlund on February 27, 2015, 10:29:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 07:02:48 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
The dress is actually blue and black.  That shot is heavily overexposed or something.

Yes but I think whoever sees the picture as blue and black or close to it needs to fucking stop using a near pitch-black monitor

I see blue and black clear as day, and I have a 2560x1440 IPS monitor with very good color fidelity.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: mongers on February 27, 2015, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 27, 2015, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 27, 2015, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
I am tired of hearing about that stupid dress.

End of Western civilization as we know it? :unsure:

I guess I just have more important things in life to worry about.

No Lusti, I was agreeing with you. :)

Yes, I know. And Western Civilization has ended as we know it anyway, see: reality TV.

I blame it on BBC producers with too much time on their hand, trawling Twitter and mumsnet etc for these silly non-stories. :rolleyes:

But you know, I bet this'll make out national news programmes this evening. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 10:32:29 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 27, 2015, 10:29:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 07:02:48 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
The dress is actually blue and black.  That shot is heavily overexposed or something.

Yes but I think whoever sees the picture as blue and black or close to it needs to fucking stop using a near pitch-black monitor

I see blue and black clear as day, and I have a 2560x1440 IPS monitor with very good color fidelity.


I still see white and gold, but I don't know what the fuss is all about, it is a badly made photo displayed on a myriad of monitors with a myriad of picture settings etc. Now, if the clothing could produce this effect when seen directly by people, THAT would be interesting. But it doesn't, of course, because on the non-fucked up photos I see the original colours.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 10:32:29 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 27, 2015, 10:29:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 07:02:48 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
The dress is actually blue and black.  That shot is heavily overexposed or something.

Yes but I think whoever sees the picture as blue and black or close to it needs to fucking stop using a near pitch-black monitor

I see blue and black clear as day, and I have a 2560x1440 IPS monitor with very good color fidelity.


I still see white and gold, but I don't know what the fuss is all about, it is a badly made photo displayed on a myriad of monitors with a myriad of picture settings etc. Now, if the clothing could produce this effect when seen directly by people, THAT would be interesting. But it doesn't, of course, because on the non-fucked up photos I see the original colours.

A and B are the same colours, do you think that would depend on what monitors you were looking at?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F6%2F60%2FGrey_square_optical_illusion.PNG%2F772px-Grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG&hash=ed0e715a0580226b7eff4484b3fa58d277ca7f5f)
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Josquius on February 27, 2015, 12:13:16 PM
I saw so many postings about that thing before I finally saw an article that explained it.
It is obviously blue and black.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: crazy canuck on February 27, 2015, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
I could swear it was white and gold, then i googled and found the dress in better lighting and now i can only see it as black and blue

It is white and gold.  Although my boys both see black and blue.  Mike and Mike did a poll on it for their show this morning and most people say black and blue.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2015, 12:37:06 PM
An Austrian news site has a poll, too.
- Gold/White
- Black/Blue
- I think a bag of rice fell over in China
- I think a bag of rice fell over in China - it was gold/white
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Barrister on February 27, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2015, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
I could swear it was white and gold, then i googled and found the dress in better lighting and now i can only see it as black and blue

It is white and gold.  Although my boys both see black and blue.  Mike and Mike did a poll on it for their show this morning and most people say black and blue.

The dress is, in fact, blue and black.

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Tonitrus on February 27, 2015, 12:53:13 PM
Even in the so-called obvious "black and blue" pics, it still looks mostly white/gold.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: crazy canuck on February 27, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 27, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2015, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
I could swear it was white and gold, then i googled and found the dress in better lighting and now i can only see it as black and blue

It is white and gold.  Although my boys both see black and blue.  Mike and Mike did a poll on it for their show this morning and most people say black and blue.

The dress is, in fact, blue and black.

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/

That article was posted to make the black and blue crowd feel better about their incorrect choice.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Tamas on February 27, 2015, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 27, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2015, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
I could swear it was white and gold, then i googled and found the dress in better lighting and now i can only see it as black and blue

It is white and gold.  Although my boys both see black and blue.  Mike and Mike did a poll on it for their show this morning and most people say black and blue.

The dress is, in fact, blue and black.

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/

That article was posted to make the black and blue crowd feel better about their incorrect choice.

:yes:
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 27, 2015, 12:53:13 PM
Even in the so-called obvious "black and blue" pics, it still looks mostly white/gold.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-0A5b5UMAESb6Z.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on February 27, 2015, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
A and B are the same colours, do you think that would depend on what monitors you were looking at?

having looked at the image data in Gimp, I think this illusion only works because the colors are greyscale.  "Grey" is created by setting the red, green, and blue channels to the same value.  The image creates the shadowing effect on the chessboard by shifting the intensity of the grey value, which means changing the three channels by the same amount.  The shadow in the cylinder requires adjusting the balance of the channels, thus the colors will still look different when taken out of context.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2015, 01:34:32 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/white-and-gold-black-and-blue-dress-the-colors-the-colors-ahhhh

QuoteSo the entire world is melting down over the color of this dress. Some people see white and gold. Others see blue and black.

I've now (somehow) seen both, looking at the same image, at different times.

I've also been trying to understand how this is possible all morning, and this image below finally helped me do that. Basically, when looking at the photo of the dress, our brains are trying to figure out if it's a blue/black dress in yellow light or a white/gold dress with a blue shadow over it.

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/9n4knln.jpg)

To us, both of those things render about the same, so our brains have to make a snap decision.

Still confused? Me too. This whole thing is a mess. I'm going to take a nap.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
The whole thing is hilarious, even the broadsheet papers are picking up on this. :lol:
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
The whole thing is hilarious, even the broadsheet papers are picking up on this. :lol:

I saw it on the news in the canteen in my office this morning.  I was thinking 'amazing I had not seen on Languish'.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Josquius on February 27, 2015, 01:50:12 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
The whole thing is hilarious, even the broadsheet papers are picking up on this. :lol:
Its quite interesting. Such a quick burning thing.
At least I hope it is quick burning
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
I saw it on the news in the canteen in my office this morning.  I was thinking 'amazing I had not seen on Languish'.
Weird, my canteen only contains water.  I want one of these super-high tech canteens I guess you can get in Texas. :hmm:
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 27, 2015, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
I saw it on the news in the canteen in my office this morning.  I was thinking 'amazing I had not seen on Languish'.
Weird, my canteen only contains water.  I want one of these super-high tech canteens I guess you can get in Texas. :hmm:

Sorry I strangely used a British-ism there without realizing it.

Cafeteria ok?

Wait why is your canteen filled with water?  Going hiking?
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: derspiess on February 27, 2015, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Sorry I strangely used a British-ism there without realizing it.

Cafeteria ok?

Nope, too late.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on February 27, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 27, 2015, 01:34:32 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/white-and-gold-black-and-blue-dress-the-colors-the-colors-ahhhh

Those shadowed areas look distinctly different to me.

The general premise is sound, though.  "Color" is the portion of the visible spectrum not absorbed by the object in question.  Thus, the appearance of the object will change based on the actual spectral content of the light illuminating the object.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 27, 2015, 01:54:46 PM
Nope, too late.

Never too late to stop the encroachment of British-isms into our pure American vocabulary.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2015, 02:34:25 PM
(https://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/10990557_1581630708761207_951034251_n.jpg)

(https://i.imgflip.com/i74dc.jpg)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.meme.am%2Finstances%2F250x250%2F59655634.jpg&hash=f9531d80712c2bd65a2b4dd04bc98678a8c603d3)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.meme.am%2Finstances%2F250x250%2F59678312.jpg&hash=fbba387d7ea79a545572da83a80629a746157953)

(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-internet-is-freaking-out-over-the-color-of-this-dress-6.jpg?w=600&h=232)
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:03:33 PM
I strongly feel the dress should have its own (possibly pinned) thread :o
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
If anything ever deserved a megathread it would be #thedress.

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on February 27, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 27, 2015, 01:34:32 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/white-and-gold-black-and-blue-dress-the-colors-the-colors-ahhhh

Those shadowed areas look distinctly different to me.

The general premise is sound, though.  "Color" is the portion of the visible spectrum not absorbed by the object in question.  Thus, the appearance of the object will change based on the actual spectral content of the light illuminating the object.

They look the same to me. This is a quick copy paste image:
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Syt on February 27, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 27, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
If anything ever deserved a megathread it would be #thedress.

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on February 27, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 27, 2015, 01:34:32 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/white-and-gold-black-and-blue-dress-the-colors-the-colors-ahhhh

Those shadowed areas look distinctly different to me.

The general premise is sound, though.  "Color" is the portion of the visible spectrum not absorbed by the object in question.  Thus, the appearance of the object will change based on the actual spectral content of the light illuminating the object.

They look the same to me. This is a quick copy paste image:

I did a check in Photoshop, and they're not the same shade, though I guess they exaggerated for effect.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
I am really really baffled by this. My mind is still blown.

However best thing about the dress is that 90% of my work day was spent talking to people about the dress.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
A dress has not been discussed this much in America since the days of Clinton.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 27, 2015, 03:25:39 PM
Fireblade is a librarian at a public library and they have a road sign. Today it read "It's black and blue" :D
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Buzzfeed have polled on the issue. I'm young at heart :w00t:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/age-makes-you-black-and-blue
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:03:33 PM
I strongly feel the dress should have its own (possibly pinned) thread :o

Thanks <_<
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 27, 2015, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Buzzfeed have polled on the issue. I'm young at heart :w00t:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/age-makes-you-black-and-blue

Me too! That or gays are like dogs.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Malthus on February 27, 2015, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 27, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:03:33 PM
I strongly feel the dress should have its own (possibly pinned) thread :o

Thanks <_<

Say yes to the dress.  :D
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Buzzfeed have polled on the issue. I'm young at heart :w00t:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/age-makes-you-black-and-blue

I guess I am as well.  Looks white and gold to me.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Liep on February 27, 2015, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Buzzfeed have polled on the issue. I'm young at heart :w00t:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/age-makes-you-black-and-blue

I guess I am as well.  Looks white and gold to me.

I was too, but then I started reading about it and it made me old and cynical. :(
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 27, 2015, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Buzzfeed have polled on the issue. I'm young at heart :w00t:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/age-makes-you-black-and-blue

Me too! That or gays are like dogs.
1 human year is 7 gay years? We operate on a different frequency?
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 27, 2015, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 27, 2015, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Buzzfeed have polled on the issue. I'm young at heart :w00t:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/age-makes-you-black-and-blue

Me too! That or gays are like dogs.
1 human year is 7 gay years? We operate on a different frequency?

Can't see colour properly. :P
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 27, 2015, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 27, 2015, 03:35:30 PM
Me too! That or gays are like dogs.
1 human year is 7 gay years? We operate on a different frequency?

Greeting each other by sniffing asses. LULZ
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 27, 2015, 04:01:02 PM
Can lick one's balls. Or at least, each other's?
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: frunk on February 27, 2015, 04:22:22 PM
If I'm close to the monitor it is white and gold.  When I view it from further away it becomes blue and black.  When I look at it at an angle it's light blueish/purplish.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: sbr on February 27, 2015, 11:38:04 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmRGeInh.jpg&hash=44cff2facdee571b258cf559eb11b01a69b85c02)
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Razgovory on February 28, 2015, 12:16:19 AM
I have always wonder how differently we experience qualia like colors.  Since everyone can only see through their own eyes (except blind people), there is no way to know if the blue someone else sees is perceived exactly the same as you perceive it.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 28, 2015, 12:24:07 AM
I really hope Locke and Descartes are having a good laugh over how this thing became the Most Important Thing In The World Today.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Syt on February 28, 2015, 02:38:18 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 28, 2015, 12:16:19 AM
I have always wonder how differently we experience qualia like colors.  Since everyone can only see through their own eyes (except blind people), there is no way to know if the blue someone else sees is perceived exactly the same as you perceive it.

:yes:

I seem to recall a study that vocabulary plays a role, too, in that if you have more words in a language to distinguish between shades then you will also find it easier to perceive the differences.

And also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_of_blue_and_green_in_various_languages
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Sheilbh on February 28, 2015, 02:45:18 AM
Yeah. I find it really fascinating that so everyone is naturally seeing it in such totally different ways and that, despite all the explanations I've read and real pictures I've seen I can't, no matter how much I try, see that dress as blue and black.

It's like an optical illusion that makes sense but that you still can't see.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Syt on February 28, 2015, 02:48:54 AM
I've since moved firmly to the blue/black camp, and have trouble to see it white/gold for more than a split second before it "morphs" back in to its real colors.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 28, 2015, 02:52:36 AM
To be honest, for me it really is sepia and lavender grey. :unsure:

Or, to put it differently, I am open to a debate about white vs. blue as the colour is somewhere in between and depending on lighting could be either - but there is no way in hell the other colour is black. It could be some darker brown shade (say, taupe) or it could be yellowish (ochre or copper, say), so gold is somewhere in the approximate range - but not black.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: The Brain on February 28, 2015, 03:39:20 AM
I say yes to the dress.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Syt on February 28, 2015, 03:48:20 AM
Here's a better graphic illustrating the blue shadow vs. yellow light decision the brain has to make when processing the image (it uses the same shades for the dress left and right according to Photoshop).

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F000%2F921%2F226%2F3ac.png&hash=fcdcd0eeec2c9fa7a26ca0d20542f7138b2bb7cc)
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 28, 2015, 03:50:33 AM
It still doesn't make the other colour "black".
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 28, 2015, 03:52:26 AM
And in that picture it's blue-grey and brown-yellow in both cases. :P
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Syt on February 28, 2015, 03:59:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 28, 2015, 03:50:33 AM
It still doesn't make the other colour "black".

No, if you check the color palette of the original picture in something like Photoshop then it's indeed not black.

However, the brain auto-adjusts color perception for environmental factors, like lights and shadows. Only that this image appears to be in a fuzzy range where the brain has problems deciding whether the dress is under intense yellow light or under a blue shade and can go either way.

It's kind of how the brain sometimes has trouble interpreting 3d data that's presented in 2d (e.g. the spinning dancer that seems to spin clockwise and/or counterclockwise).
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 28, 2015, 04:01:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 28, 2015, 02:52:36 AM
To be honest, for me it really is sepia and lavender grey. :unsure:

Or, to put it differently, I am open to a debate about white vs. blue as the colour is somewhere in between and depending on lighting could be either - but there is no way in hell the other colour is black. It could be some darker brown shade (say, taupe) or it could be yellowish (ochre or copper, say), so gold is somewhere in the approximate range - but not black.

Do you spend a lot of time studying the cards at paint stores?  :hmm:
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Monoriu on February 28, 2015, 04:08:45 AM
I only see blue and black.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 28, 2015, 04:17:33 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 28, 2015, 04:08:45 AM
I only see blue and black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mb0_SUx-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mb0_SUx-A) :punk:
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Liep on February 28, 2015, 08:38:17 AM
It's green.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2015/02/27/meet-the-business-owner-behind-the-blue-and-black-white-and-gold-dress/
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Kleves on February 28, 2015, 09:41:47 AM
I can't see it as anything but white/gold. Even in those graphics, both dresses look white/gold.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Martinus on February 28, 2015, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 28, 2015, 03:59:57 AM
It's kind of how the brain sometimes has trouble interpreting 3d data that's presented in 2d (e.g. the spinning dancer that seems to spin clockwise and/or counterclockwise).

I actually never, no matter how hard I tried, could see that dancer spinning in both directions - I always see her spinning in the same direction. :P
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Barrister on February 28, 2015, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 28, 2015, 02:52:36 AM
To be honest, for me it really is sepia and lavender grey. :unsure:

Or, to put it differently, I am open to a debate about white vs. blue as the colour is somewhere in between and depending on lighting could be either - but there is no way in hell the other colour is black. It could be some darker brown shade (say, taupe) or it could be yellowish (ochre or copper, say), so gold is somewhere in the approximate range - but not black.

First time I saw the picture I said it was blue and brown.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: celedhring on February 28, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 28, 2015, 02:45:18 AM
Yeah. I find it really fascinating that so everyone is naturally seeing it in such totally different ways and that, despite all the explanations I've read and real pictures I've seen I can't, no matter how much I try, see that dress as blue and black.

It's like an optical illusion that makes sense but that you still can't see.

Same here, I just can't see the black.  I sorta can see the case for blue, but that's never black in a million years to my eyes.
Title: Re: Re: The Off Topic Topic
Post by: Caliga on February 28, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Wait why is your canteen filled with water?  Going hiking?
Ok I lied... it's filled with bourbon. :blush:
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Valmy on February 28, 2015, 10:14:21 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 28, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Wait why is your canteen filled with water?  Going hiking?
Ok I lied... it's filled with bourbon. :blush:
:cool:
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Monoriu on March 01, 2015, 08:54:26 PM
My wife showed the picture to me, and I said "blue and black" without a second thought.  I thought it was a total non-story until she said that she saw white and gold. 

The real dress is blue and black, so I was right :yeah:

I have found that some optical illusions that work on others don't work on me.  One theory I have read is that people like me tend to be a "small picture" guy who focuses on the details and ignore the "big picture".  I see blue and say it is blue, ignoring all other hints in the photo which may influence others into thinking it is something else.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 01, 2015, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 28, 2015, 02:38:18 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 28, 2015, 12:16:19 AM
I have always wonder how differently we experience qualia like colors.  Since everyone can only see through their own eyes (except blind people), there is no way to know if the blue someone else sees is perceived exactly the same as you perceive it.

:yes:

I seem to recall a study that vocabulary plays a role, too, in that if you have more words in a language to distinguish between shades then you will also find it easier to perceive the differences.

And also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_of_blue_and_green_in_various_languages
:yes: There are definite times when Koreans mix them up when speaking in English
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Caliga on March 02, 2015, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 28, 2015, 10:14:21 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 28, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 27, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Wait why is your canteen filled with water?  Going hiking?
Ok I lied... it's filled with bourbon. :blush:
:cool:
Not anymore. :)
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 02, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
How was the hike?
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: crazy canuck on March 02, 2015, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 28, 2015, 02:45:18 AM
Yeah. I find it really fascinating that so everyone is naturally seeing it in such totally different ways and that, despite all the explanations I've read and real pictures I've seen I can't, no matter how much I try, see that dress as blue and black.

It's like an optical illusion that makes sense but that you still can't see.

Yeah, at least with things like the old/young lady you can train yourself to see both.  I can only see the white and gold no matter how much a try to see the black and blue.

Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: mongers on March 02, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
Can we take this dress, rap it up very carefully in brown paper, ask the three people who 'decide' internet memes to take it to Toronto, find the 'preppers' tunnel, get them to go down and place it, reverentially at the far end of the construction. And whilst they're doing that, get CdM to backfill the fucking tunnel using a JCB, which I'll have gladly paid for.   :)
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 02, 2015, 05:43:35 PM
I guess Mongers is off his meds or something.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Jacob on March 02, 2015, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 02, 2015, 05:43:35 PM
I guess Mongers is off his meds or something.

Maybe he sold them to afford a JCB?

How much does a JCB cost these days?
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: mongers on March 02, 2015, 05:56:52 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 02, 2015, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 02, 2015, 05:43:35 PM
I guess Mongers is off his meds or something.

Maybe he sold them to afford a JCB?

How much does a JCB cost these days?

Don't know, perhaps 25 grand?

edit:
this'll do, a bit above UKP 25,000 , but at least it's in Canada:

http://www.jcb.co.uk/Products/Used-Equipment-Home-Page/Used-Equipment-Detail-Page.aspx?LangID=1&stockID=5503 (http://www.jcb.co.uk/Products/Used-Equipment-Home-Page/Used-Equipment-Detail-Page.aspx?LangID=1&stockID=5503)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jcbstore.co.uk%2Ffilestore%2Ffilestoreview.aspx%3FFSI%3D2167&hash=a4720e1344aeee93476f140a870d61e9d1b9036c)
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Caliga on March 02, 2015, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 02, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
How was the hike?
The what now? :sleep:
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 02, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
 :D
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Liep on March 06, 2015, 01:55:22 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fekstrabladet.dk%2Fincoming%2Farticle5470741.ece%2FIMAGE_ALTERNATES%2Fp900%2FSalvation-Army-ad.jpg&hash=8548daa942795b2378802725391ea40e0aa269ff)
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
I laughed.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Grey Fox on March 06, 2015, 02:25:22 PM
I showed the picture, picture I see as White & Gold, to my 3½ years old and ask her what color is the dress. She answered Black & Blue.

It's one thing to know other people see it a different color than you do but your own kid that barely gets colors is a little unsettling.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: lustindarkness on March 06, 2015, 02:58:01 PM
The white and gold dress is still enjoying its 15 minutes?
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Syt on March 06, 2015, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
I laughed.

You do realize that it's an awareness campaign about physical abuse of women?
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2015, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: Syt on March 06, 2015, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2015, 02:23:19 PM
I laughed.

You do realize that it's an awareness campaign about physical abuse of women?

I sighed.
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: derspiess on March 06, 2015, 04:59:05 PM
Busted!
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2015, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 06, 2015, 04:59:05 PM
Busted!


(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wearysloth.com%2FGallery%2FActorsL%2F9702-15555.jpg&hash=522d9dcf93793b09a9fc632f288c662efda42fd5)


"You Americans, you're all the same.  Always overjoking for the wrong occasions."
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: alfred russel on March 06, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
Why do you think her knees are bruised?
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: The Brain on March 06, 2015, 05:10:20 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 06, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
Why do you think her knees are bruised?

^_^
Title: Re: The Dress Megathread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 06, 2015, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2015, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 06, 2015, 04:59:05 PM
Busted!


(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wearysloth.com%2FGallery%2FActorsL%2F9702-15555.jpg&hash=522d9dcf93793b09a9fc632f288c662efda42fd5)


"You Americans, you're all the same.  Always overjoking for the wrong occasions."


I laughed