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Title: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
It's Slate, but hey, maybe you'll read it anyways: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2015/01/australia_s_brothel_boom_as_the_country_s_mining_industry_expands_so_does.html
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
Executive summary? Comment? :outback:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: crazy canuck on January 02, 2015, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
Executive summary? Comment? :outback:

Mining provides economic multipliers.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 04:24:12 PM
Nationalize it.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
Rent control.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
It's Slate, but hey, maybe you'll read it anyways: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2015/01/australia_s_brothel_boom_as_the_country_s_mining_industry_expands_so_does.html

Is mostly just a puff piece about a specific brothel in Darwin, with interviews with a few of the prostitutes and the madam.  Not a single interviewee that was unconnected to the brothel.  Of course they're positive about it.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 04:51:37 PM
What did the customers say?
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 05:11:19 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 04:51:37 PM
What did the customers say?

Didn't interview any customers.  One is quoted as being overheard greeting a prostitute with:

QuoteLater, two men in their early 20s—both good-looking, one with a mane of trendy dreadlocks—are introduced to a gaggle of women. "What's your name, sorry?" Mr. Dreadlock asks politely. "Nice to meet you, I'm Christian."
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
Is mostly just a puff piece about a specific brothel in Darwin, with interviews with a few of the prostitutes and the madam.  Not a single interviewee that was unconnected to the brothel.  Of course they're positive about it.

Yeah mostly a puff piece; no profound insight into the state of prostitution, I don't think. For me the interesting bits were the status of prostitution in Australia (which I knew nothing about), and the fact that there's at least one national chain of upscale brothels.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
Oh man. Theyre really close to SE Asia too... If you nees me, I'll be in Brisbane.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
Oh man. Theyre really close to SE Asia too... If you nees me, I'll be in Brisbane.

I'd consider looking for work in the mining business rather than selling your body.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 06:24:34 PM
Hurtful! :o
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ed Anger on January 02, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 06:24:34 PM
Hurtful! :o

Ide's Australia Diary:

Day 1: Hey, they have such interesting animals here...OH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT THING?
Day 2: Ide dies
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 06:28:57 PM
It was a Ford Falcon GT.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 02, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
Ide's Australia Diary:

Day 1: Hey, they have such interesting animals here...OH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT THING?
Day 2: Ide dies


That's no bullshit.  They have some fucked up shit down under with more than two legs that can kill you quick.  It ain't all boxing kangaroos, man.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ed Anger on January 02, 2015, 06:32:09 PM
Dibs on Ide's Blu Ray collection.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
A dingo ate my Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 06:24:34 PM
Hurtful! :o

I didn't mean nothing by it. I'm not saying you couldn't make it, see, just that I don't think you'd like it.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Prostitution is one of those things where it doesn't make sense to keep it locked down as a criminal enterprise, but even if legal/regulated/taxed, all that good stuff, will still always be seen as a "low class" activity that often has soul-crushing effects on most of those involved.

High-end, glamorous escorts will be an exception, of course...but like very rich people in society, I think that will always be a tiny minority.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 06:31:02 PM
That's no bullshit.  They have some fucked up shit down under with more than two legs that can kill you quick.  It ain't all boxing kangaroos, man.

Speaking of which, I heard on the radio that the only mammal indigenous to New Zealand is the bat.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 06:51:38 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Prostitution is one of those things where it doesn't make sense to keep it locked down as a criminal enterprise, but even if legal/regulated/taxed, all that good stuff, will still always be seen as a "low class" activity that often has soul-crushing effects on most of those involved.

High-end, glamorous escorts will be an exception, of course...but like very rich people in society, I think that will always be a tiny minority.

I read an article on internet prostution (might have been posted here) that said the ladies felt empowered and that it was easy money.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
The same thing is said about pornography, and I don't doubt there are a number of women who feel that way, and make a good living.  I am just saying they are probably still far outnumbered by those who don't make very much, or fall into a spiral of exploitation, drug abuse, and overall crapiness.

For every Tera Patrick, there are probably dozens of Bang Bus one-and-goners.  :(

Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Razgovory on January 02, 2015, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
Executive summary? Comment? :outback:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOsNWFXo.jpg&hash=f3f36e569463874142bc715459554efdf89b6f92)
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Sheilbh on January 02, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Prostitution is one of those things where it doesn't make sense to keep it locked down as a criminal enterprise, but even if legal/regulated/taxed, all that good stuff, will still always be seen as a "low class" activity that often has soul-crushing effects on most of those involved.

High-end, glamorous escorts will be an exception, of course...but like very rich people in society, I think that will always be a tiny minority.
Sure it can. Swedish solution, criminalise the clients :contract:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:12:53 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
The same thing is said about pornography, and I don't doubt there are a number of women who feel that way, and make a good living.  I am just saying they are probably still far outnumbered by those who don't make very much, or fall into a spiral of exploitation, drug abuse, and overall crapiness.

For every Tera Patrick, there are probably dozens of Bang Bus one-and-goners.  :(

The probability of making the big time and how soul crushing the job is are two different things.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 02, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Prostitution is one of those things where it doesn't make sense to keep it locked down as a criminal enterprise, but even if legal/regulated/taxed, all that good stuff, will still always be seen as a "low class" activity that often has soul-crushing effects on most of those involved.

High-end, glamorous escorts will be an exception, of course...but like very rich people in society, I think that will always be a tiny minority.
Sure it can. Swedish solution, criminalise the clients :contract:

Drug dealers are bad and drug users are victims, yet....

Anyway, I wasn't kidding. Should be nationalized and used for the public good, since it obviously could be (jobs and providing a key mental health service to the underprivileged).
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:24:58 PM
You know Ide, there are other countries in the world that actually try to carry out your proscribed policies. :mellow:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Sheilbh on January 02, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
Drug dealers are bad and drug users are victims, yet....
Yep. They're absolutely consistent :o
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 07:30:30 PM
This is Ide's theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:24:58 PM
You know Ide, there are other countries in the world that actually try to carry out your proscribed policies. :mellow:

Yeah? Which one?
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 07:34:34 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:24:58 PM
You know Ide, there are other countries in the world that actually try to carry out your proscribed policies. :mellow:

Yeah? Which one?

What policies have you proscribed? Funding for liberal arts education?
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:33:29 PM
Yeah? Which one?

North Korea comes to mind.  Not a lot of private property there.  I think Cuba is pretty good on that front too.  Vietnam?  All the land is technically owned by the state in China.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:36:28 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 07:34:34 PM
What policies have you proscribed? Funding for liberal arts education?

Me?  I'm talking about Ide's nationalization program.

S/B prescribed instead of proscribed.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:33:29 PM
Yeah? Which one?

North Korea comes to mind.  Not a lot of private property there.  I think Cuba is pretty good on that front too.  Vietnam?  All the land is technically owned by the state in China.

I'm sorry, my policy is to wait until capitalism has developed the technological and industrial and educational base of a country to a point when communism can actually function. Hell, we may not be entirely ready yet, but it's time to start talking about the day when it's our country's only hope, and start readying the economy and society for the transition to a highly-controlled system.

North Korea. Get real.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ed Anger on January 02, 2015, 07:57:28 PM
I'm wearing a brown shirt just for you Ide.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 09:03:04 PM
They wore brown shirts in the RKKA.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ed Anger on January 02, 2015, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 09:03:04 PM
They wore brown shirts in the RKKA.

Stop it. You know what I mean.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Wings Over the World won't dictate what color your shirt is, Heinrich.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ed Anger on January 02, 2015, 09:09:34 PM
I will tell you what an Antioch student told me in 1993:

You'll be first against the wall.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
It's Slate, but hey, maybe you'll read it anyways: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2015/01/australia_s_brothel_boom_as_the_country_s_mining_industry_expands_so_does.html

Is mostly just a puff piece about a specific brothel in Darwin, with interviews with a few of the prostitutes and the madam.  Not a single interviewee that was unconnected to the brothel.  Of course they're positive about it.

Until the end, which finishes on a downer

Quote

"Langtrees is good—we see a lot of success but we also see a lot of failure," she acknowledges. "I lost a really good friend to suicide. It all was too much for her. She hung herself in a Perth Park."

Then Sue stops. She adds: "Today a 36-year-old woman came in to ask about work. Even though she was 36, we still sent her away to think about it. We always send them away. It's very important. Because, you know, each time they are sleeping with someone, they are selling part of their soul."
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: sbr on January 02, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
A dingo ate my Blu-Ray.

:lol:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
It's Slate, but hey, maybe you'll read it anyways: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2015/01/australia_s_brothel_boom_as_the_country_s_mining_industry_expands_so_does.html

Is mostly just a puff piece about a specific brothel in Darwin, with interviews with a few of the prostitutes and the madam.  Not a single interviewee that was unconnected to the brothel.  Of course they're positive about it.

Until the end, which finishes on a downer

Quote

"Langtrees is good—we see a lot of success but we also see a lot of failure," she acknowledges. "I lost a really good friend to suicide. It all was too much for her. She hung herself in a Perth Park."

Then Sue stops. She adds: "Today a 36-year-old woman came in to ask about work. Even though she was 36, we still sent her away to think about it. We always send them away. It's very important. Because, you know, each time they are sleeping with someone, they are selling part of their soul."

You know who belongs in a brothel?  A woman who thinks sleeping with someone for money is selling part of her soul.  This one's 4F, folks.  Send her back to the bomber factory.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 09:53:31 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 02, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
A dingo ate my Blu-Ray.

:lol:

Yeah, I didn't see that earlier.  It's a pretty good one. :lol:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: HVC on January 02, 2015, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
It's Slate, but hey, maybe you'll read it anyways: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2015/01/australia_s_brothel_boom_as_the_country_s_mining_industry_expands_so_does.html

Is mostly just a puff piece about a specific brothel in Darwin, with interviews with a few of the prostitutes and the madam.  Not a single interviewee that was unconnected to the brothel.  Of course they're positive about it.

Until the end, which finishes on a downer

Quote

“Langtrees is good—we see a lot of success but we also see a lot of failure,” she acknowledges. “I lost a really good friend to suicide. It all was too much for her. She hung herself in a Perth Park.”

Then Sue stops. She adds: “Today a 36-year-old woman came in to ask about work. Even though she was 36, we still sent her away to think about it. We always send them away. It’s very important. Because, you know, each time they are sleeping with someone, they are selling part of their soul.”

You know who belongs in a brothel?  A woman who thinks sleeping with someone for money is selling part of her soul.  This one's 4F, folks.  Send her back to the bomber factory.
you grimace every time a fat girl even looks in your direction. I can't imagine your reaction if you had to sleep with her to pay your rent.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Razgovory on January 02, 2015, 09:58:36 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 07:33:29 PM
Yeah? Which one?

North Korea comes to mind.  Not a lot of private property there.  I think Cuba is pretty good on that front too.  Vietnam?  All the land is technically owned by the state in China.

I think that's true of Belgium as well.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 10:02:59 PM
HVC: Jesus Lord, that'd be a great job.

I think you think I hate having sex with overweight women a lot more than I actually do, or my record in fact indicates.  It's an easy mistake, though: I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin, man.  Fat people shouldn't be fat: this is revealed moral truth.  They damage society by being so, their relationships, and themselves.  But it doesn't mean they don't have the same needs and deserve the same rights as everyone else, including affection, including sexual affection.  God didn't give us both pity and reproductive organs and not expect us to use them.

And just because one might not enjoy the labor doesn't mean one oughtn't take pride in the product. :)
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: LaCroix on January 02, 2015, 10:06:59 PM
there's a good louis theroux documentary that delves into the emotional issues resulting from sex work. twilight of the porn stars
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
That's kinda different.  In a recent discussion, I noted how they were kind of like stuntpeople, and I believe someone noted that they're more like athletes (professional or wannabe-professional).  I can agree with that and I reckon they have a lot of the same issues (periods of overwork alternating with unemployment, you live a fast, take-no-prisoners lifestyle, and their talent is always depreciating with age).  Plus the sex in porn is so stage-managed that it occasionally barely resembles real stuff.

I reckon the biggest problem in both prostitution and pornography is that the work represents a real, often-insuperable obstacle to functioning romantic-familial  relationships.  Like overseas military service or doc review, it's not something a body is meant to do forever.

For one thing, sex for money wonks up sex for affection.  Moreover, I expect few would marry a practicing sex worker, and those who would are not likely to be okay with her or him continuing to work.  (Plus, in the case of female sex workers, pregnancy and especially the childbirth process put one's ability to do the work at serious risk, above and beyond the usual equal opportunity stuff.)

In this case, I'd imagine pornographic performers are better off: they can seek partners in their own weird little world.  Regular sex workers don't have that option.

But, if you could get rid of the stigma and make it possible for sex workers to achieve normal life milestones, I think the psychological problems apparently inherent to working the job long-term would be far more manageable.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 02, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
It's Slate, but hey, maybe you'll read it anyways: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2015/01/australia_s_brothel_boom_as_the_country_s_mining_industry_expands_so_does.html

Is mostly just a puff piece about a specific brothel in Darwin, with interviews with a few of the prostitutes and the madam.  Not a single interviewee that was unconnected to the brothel.  Of course they're positive about it.

Until the end, which finishes on a downer

Quote

"Langtrees is good—we see a lot of success but we also see a lot of failure," she acknowledges. "I lost a really good friend to suicide. It all was too much for her. She hung herself in a Perth Park."

Then Sue stops. She adds: "Today a 36-year-old woman came in to ask about work. Even though she was 36, we still sent her away to think about it. We always send them away. It's very important. Because, you know, each time they are sleeping with someone, they are selling part of their soul."

You know who belongs in a brothel?  A woman who thinks sleeping with someone for money is selling part of her soul.  This one's 4F, folks.  Send her back to the bomber factory.

She got out of the job eventually, now she's the madam. :contract:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
See, I appreciate the sentiment, but ultimately that kind of morality is toxic.  And the hilarious part is that prostitution (properly regulated prostitution) is one of the least extrinsically harmful jobs in the world.  You don't kill animals.  You don't clearcut forests.  You don't create a demand just to sell a product.  Your carbon footprint is low.  You don't pretend to believe in an argument that you know will hurt an innocent party, just because you're paid to parrot it.  And you do more tangible, immediately perceptible good than almost any other worker would ever see.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: LaCroix on January 02, 2015, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
That's kinda different.  In a recent discussion, I noted how they were kind of like stuntpeople, and I believe someone noted that they're more like athletes (professional or wannabe-professional).  I can agree with that and I reckon they have a lot of the same issues (periods of overwork alternating with unemployment, you live a fast, take-no-prisoners lifestyle, and their talent is always depreciating with age).  Plus the sex in porn is so stage-managed that it occasionally barely resembles real stuff.

I reckon the biggest problem in both prostitution and pornography is that the work represents a real, often-insuperable obstacle to functioning romantic-familial  relationships.  Like overseas military service or doc review, it's not something a body is meant to do forever.

For one thing, sex for money wonks up sex for affection.  Moreover, I expect few would marry a practicing sex worker, and those who would are not likely to be okay with her or him continuing to work.  (Plus, in the case of female sex workers, pregnancy and especially the childbirth process put one's ability to do the work at serious risk, above and beyond the usual equal opportunity stuff.)

In this case, I'd imagine pornographic performers are better off: they can seek partners in their own weird little world.  Regular sex workers don't have that option.

But, if you could get rid of the stigma and make it possible for sex workers to achieve normal life milestones, I think the psychological problems apparently inherent to working the job long-term would be far more manageable.

i assume most porn actors/actresses would prefer a partner who was uninvolved in the sex business. that's actually briefly brought up in the documentary. but, at the end of the day, sex work fucks with biology. if porn actors are less affected, it's probably more due to fewer fucks (and fewer strangers) than any other reason.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ed Anger on January 02, 2015, 10:42:16 PM
Here comes Captain Square.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 02, 2015, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
In this case, I'd imagine pornographic performers are better off: they can seek partners in their own weird little world.  Regular sex workers don't have that option.

No reason a call girl and a gigolo can't get together.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?

That's mean.  Just because I talk about a possible future that you don't like, doesn't mean I oughtn't be taken seriously.  Indeed, if either of us is committed to frivolity, it's you.  After all, what you believe in is the status quo.

Oh, wait, Canada.  Well, there's still room for improvement.

LaCroix: that is indeed predictable. :(
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?
He seems to believe in it sincerely.

Just because someone's wrong, doesn't mean one cannot take them seriously.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 11:29:37 PM
:)
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 11:46:33 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?
He seems to believe it in sincerely.

He's full of more shit than a Christmas goose.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Razgovory on January 03, 2015, 02:07:11 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 11:46:33 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2015, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?
He seems to believe it in sincerely.

He's full of more shit than a Christmas goose.

I don't think you prepared that properly.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Jacob on January 03, 2015, 02:13:10 AM
I'll have the roast pork.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 02:23:12 AM
That's what carnivores get.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: dps on January 03, 2015, 04:09:49 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?

Because people espousing stupid political ideas can be dangerous.  They can go from people pointing at them and laughing to invading Poland in a dozen years or so.  If you take them at face value, there's probably a better chance of stopping them before they get their hands on any real power. 

In Ide's particular case, I'm not sure how much of the idiocy he posts he himself takes seriously.  To the extent that he does take it seriously, it's clear that he's motivated by frustration over not achieving his personal (non-political) goals in life, which probably makes it more likely that he ends up shooting up a McDonald's or a mall somewhere rather than ever holding any political office.  That's a better outcome the country as a whole than him ever being in a position to actually make or influence public policy, but would suck for anyone who happened to be in the place he shoots up. 
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: The Brain on January 03, 2015, 04:33:02 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 02, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Prostitution is one of those things where it doesn't make sense to keep it locked down as a criminal enterprise, but even if legal/regulated/taxed, all that good stuff, will still always be seen as a "low class" activity that often has soul-crushing effects on most of those involved.

High-end, glamorous escorts will be an exception, of course...but like very rich people in society, I think that will always be a tiny minority.
Sure it can. Swedish solution, criminalise the clients :contract:

:bleeding:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: The Brain on January 03, 2015, 04:38:23 AM
Lots of jobs are soul-crushing or dangerous. Let's ban everything.

Bottom line in the prostitution debate is that people don't think that women are capable of making their own decisions about sex. It's just the old control-women's-sexuality thing in somewhat new clothes.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:03:21 AM
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2015, 04:09:49 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?

Because people espousing stupid political ideas can be dangerous.  They can go from people pointing at them and laughing to invading Poland in a dozen years or so.  If you take them at face value, there's probably a better chance of stopping them before they get their hands on any real power. 

In Ide's particular case, I'm not sure how much of the idiocy he posts he himself takes seriously.  To the extent that he does take it seriously, it's clear that he's motivated by frustration over not achieving his personal (non-political) goals in life, which probably makes it more likely that he ends up shooting up a McDonald's or a mall somewhere rather than ever holding any political office.  That's a better outcome the country as a whole than him ever being in a position to actually make or influence public policy, but would suck for anyone who happened to be in the place he shoots up.

That's real nice.

Relax: as long as there are enough people like you, their minds freezing over with fear and greed, the country as a whole will remain exactly as it is today.  And why shouldn't there be?  After all, it is so clearly awesome and functional that only an insane person would question its underpinnings, let alone suggest improvements.

"Fuck" and "you," scumbag.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: dps on January 03, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:03:21 AM
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2015, 04:09:49 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?

Because people espousing stupid political ideas can be dangerous.  They can go from people pointing at them and laughing to invading Poland in a dozen years or so.  If you take them at face value, there's probably a better chance of stopping them before they get their hands on any real power. 

In Ide's particular case, I'm not sure how much of the idiocy he posts he himself takes seriously.  To the extent that he does take it seriously, it's clear that he's motivated by frustration over not achieving his personal (non-political) goals in life, which probably makes it more likely that he ends up shooting up a McDonald's or a mall somewhere rather than ever holding any political office.  That's a better outcome the country as a whole than him ever being in a position to actually make or influence public policy, but would suck for anyone who happened to be in the place he shoots up.

That's real nice.

Relax: as long as there are enough people like you, their minds freezing over with fear and greed, the country as a whole will remain exactly as it is today.  And why shouldn't there be?  After all, it is so clearly awesome and functional that only an insane person would question its underpinnings, let alone suggest improvements.

"Fuck" and "you," scumbag.

Get back to us when you have something to suggest that would be an actual improvement, not a pastiche of the worst ideas of the 19th and 20 centuries.

EDIT:  And dude, chill.  If the level of anger and frustration that your posts suggest is real and not just an affectation, you need to calm down before you do snap and do something violent.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
I give Ide a lot of credit for being willing to address the repercussions of his proposals, something you can't say about most Trots.

As to how serious he is, I don't think he's a true believer.  It's more on the lines of "I'll keep this position until someone can convince me otherwise."
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 03, 2015, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 03, 2015, 04:38:23 AM
Lots of jobs are soul-crushing or dangerous. Let's ban everything.

Bottom line in the prostitution debate is that people don't think that women are capable of making their own decisions about sex. It's just the old control-women's-sexuality thing in somewhat new clothes.

+1
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:03:21 AM
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2015, 04:09:49 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Why oh why do people take Ideo's "ideology" seriously?

Because people espousing stupid political ideas can be dangerous.  They can go from people pointing at them and laughing to invading Poland in a dozen years or so.  If you take them at face value, there's probably a better chance of stopping them before they get their hands on any real power. 

In Ide's particular case, I'm not sure how much of the idiocy he posts he himself takes seriously.  To the extent that he does take it seriously, it's clear that he's motivated by frustration over not achieving his personal (non-political) goals in life, which probably makes it more likely that he ends up shooting up a McDonald's or a mall somewhere rather than ever holding any political office.  That's a better outcome the country as a whole than him ever being in a position to actually make or influence public policy, but would suck for anyone who happened to be in the place he shoots up.

That's real nice.

Relax: as long as there are enough people like you, their minds freezing over with fear and greed, the country as a whole will remain exactly as it is today.  And why shouldn't there be?  After all, it is so clearly awesome and functional that only an insane person would question its underpinnings, let alone suggest improvements.

"Fuck" and "you," scumbag.

Get back to us when you have something to suggest that would be an actual improvement, not a pastiche of the worst ideas of the 19th and 20 centuries.

EDIT:  And dude, chill.  If the level of anger and frustration that your posts suggest is real and not just an affectation, you need to calm down before you do snap and do something violent.

Seriously, you really need to shut up.  You are being 100% a dick and you know it.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 03, 2015, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 04:59:25 PM
Seriously, you really need to shut up.  You are being 100% a dick and you know it.

The forum was built on being able to be dicks to people spouting off silly political povs.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:09:01 PM
I dunno, I think there's a thick, easily-observable line between "you're an idiot and also evil" and "for serious, I've reported you to the FBI because I'm afraid of you even though you don't own a gun and the mall nearest you has maybe three people in it at any given time."
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: HVC on January 03, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:09:01 PM
I dunno, I think there's a thick, easily-observable line between "you're an idiot and also evil" and "for serious, I've reported you to the FBI because I'm afraid of you even though you don't own a gun and the mall nearest you has maybe three people in it at any given time."
so you have been scoping out the mall :contract: :P

Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:49:36 PM
I work at a mall. <_<

...go ahead.  I know it's on the tips of your forked tongue.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 03, 2015, 06:54:47 PM
Does your business get lots of walk-in customers?  :huh:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2015, 07:53:07 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:49:36 PM
I work at a mall. <_<

...go ahead.  I know it's on the tips of your forked tongue.

Fuck you, man.  Swiss Colony never called me back.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 03, 2015, 06:54:47 PM
Does your business get lots of walk-in customers?  :huh:

No. :lol:

Like I said, it's a failing/failed mall, they rent out a lot of what used to be big-box shops as office space now.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Josquius on January 04, 2015, 09:16:18 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Prostitution is one of those things where it doesn't make sense to keep it locked down as a criminal enterprise, but even if legal/regulated/taxed, all that good stuff, will still always be seen as a "low class" activity that often has soul-crushing effects on most of those involved.

Just like teaching English :cheers:
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2015, 10:03:22 AM
Quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: Australia's Prostitution Boom
Post by: Ideologue on January 04, 2015, 10:38:10 AM
King Tim reigns in Seoul.