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WABBIT SEASON
LAME DUCK SEASON
QuoteWASHINGTON — Administration sources say that Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is resigning from President Barack Obama's Cabinet.
Hagel, a former Republican senator, has served as Pentagon chief since early 2013. Obama is expected to announce the resignation Monday.
The official insisted on anonymity because this person was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly ahead of Obama's official announcement.
A senior defense official said that Hagel submitted his resignation letter to Obama on Monday morning and the president accepted it. Hagel agreed to remain in office until his successor is confirmed by the Senate, the official said.
The official says that both Habel and Obama "determined that it was time for new leadership in the Pentagon." The official adds that they had been discussing the matter over a period of several weeks.
NBC sez he was forced out.
BRING IN SAM NUNN
To replace him I propose a three man committee of 11B4V, Grumbler and Berkut. :theLanguisheWayIsRight:
Fuck you, then, Ed and I will go start our own.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2014, 09:54:27 AM
Fuck you, then, Ed and I will go start our own.
I did have you in the frame, but thought it should be kept to just three men and was conflicted over the entertainment vs strident policy document output balance. :P
Well... he's remaining in the position until a successor is confirmed. How long does that process typically take?
Quote from: Jacob on November 24, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Well... he's remaining in the position until a successor is confirmed. How long does that process typically take?
Depends on whether the Senate's majority party feels like playing nice. In the case of appointing a director to the ATF, that took 7 years.
So he resigned but he could be in the job until the end of the next President's term?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2014, 09:54:27 AM
Fuck you, then, Ed and I will go start our own.
Our rule would be epic.
"We're bringing back the Shrike. Hell, we're naming everything the Shrike, because it sounds that fucking cool."
And the A-1 and A-4.
Nike missiles, for the Air Jordan payloads. They swoosh when you launch them, and then the warhead berates and belittles everybody it's ever known.
LOL. Causes migraines to our allies.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2014, 06:22:24 PM
"We're bringing back the Shrike. Hell, we're naming everything the Shrike, because it sounds that fucking cool."
As long as the warhead can be removed from the seeker this time. :P
More observations of Hagelpalooza from the WP--
QuoteOne of the enduring narratives of the Obama administration is that of a so-called Team of Rivals presidential Cabinet -- the idea that the best and brightest would be brought in (and listened to) whether or not they were part of Obama's campaign inner circle. But Chuck Hagel's "resignation" as defense secretary is the latest sign that the Team of Rivals idea is effectively over -- if it ever really existed in the first place.
Here's how the New York Times's Helene Cooper, who broke the news, wrote about the move:
A respected former senator who struck a friendship with Mr. Obama when they were both critics of the Iraq war from positions on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Mr. Hagel has nonetheless had trouble penetrating the tight team of former campaign aides and advisers who form Mr. Obama's closely knit set of loyalists.
The second half of that sentence -- "had trouble penetrating the tight team of former campaign aides and advisers who form Mr. Obama's closely knit set of loyalists" -- could be written about dozens of top officials who have come and gone over the six years of the Obama presidency. While Obama got huge amounts of praise for persuading his former rival Hillary Rodham Clinton to serve as Secretary of State in his first term, her heavily political memoir of that time nonetheless made clear the times she differed with him and his inner circle on policy.
And, as Obama's presidency wore on -- and he won a second term -- he almost abandoned the idea of surrounding himself with people who actively disagreed with him. In fact, the decisions to nominate Hagel at the Pentagon, John Brennan at the CIA, John Kerry at the State Department and Jack Lew at Treasury at the start of his second term were widely considered evidence of the president's belief that he needed loyalists around him as he sought to build a second-term legacy. As The Washington Post's Scott Wilson wrote at the time:
The nominations underscore how little time Obama has left to accomplish an enduring governing legacy, and that on-the-job training, political drama and the unpredictability he discovered in some of his outside-the-Beltway nominees last time around have no place in a second-term administration. Nearly all of the men — and so far they are all men — have been with Obama, one way or another, since his first presidential campaign or early days in office.
"Unlike the first term, which was often referred to as a team of rivals, I think this is going to be more like a band of brothers," said Karl F. Inderfurth, an assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration.
It is not an uncommon approach for second-term presidents to take. But it leaves Obama vulnerable to criticism, including from his supporters, that he is burrowing deeper into an insular inner circle rather than reaching out for new people and their ideas about how to work most effectively with a sharply divided Congress.
That trend has only accelerated in the time since Wilson wrote that piece almost 20 months ago. Obama has been hit with a series of controversies foreign and domestic -- think Ebola, ISIS, the VA, etc. -- that have not only succeeded in sinking his approval ratings (and cost his party big-time at the ballot box) but also furthered the hunkering-down-with-loyalists strategy that Wilson described in January 2013.
So, was the Team of Rivals ever a real thing? Or was it a mythology created by Obama and a willing media? The obvious "rivals" were Clinton and Bob Gates, who had served as defense secretary in George W. Bush's second term and whom Obama kept on. In other key jobs, Obama went with longtime loyalists such as Eric Holder for attorney general, Tim Geithner at Treasury and Arne Duncan at the Education Department. (Obama also tried to put a loyalist -- Tom Daschle -- at the Department of Health and Human Services, but his nomination failed.) And the president's key inner core -- David Axelrod, Dan Pfeiffer and Valerie Jarrett to name three -- was always at the center of every decision and, in many ways, superseded the people he put in the Cabinet.
That consolidation of power into a select few top aides -- and the related powering-down of the Cabinet -- wasn't unique to Obama. Bush had his "Iron Triangle" of advisers -- Joe Allbaugh, Karen Hughes and Karl Rove -- who were considered the final voices on many policy decisions.
But, remember that one of the key arguments Obama made when campaigning in 2008 was that he represented a break from the sort of buddy-buddy government management style that Bush symbolized for many Americans. The very idea of the Team of Rivals concept grew out of Obama's campaign promises to run a meritocracy in direct contrast to how he saw the Bush White House run.
The arc of Obama's presidency when it comes to who he listens to most, however, appears to be not all that dissimilar from the one he rose to prominence critiquing. It turns out that in politics, keeping your friends close and your enemies (or at least rivals) closer isn't as important as keeping your friends close.
Not that any of this is unique: Dubya's Administration saw Colin Powell pushed out of the circle, and Clinton's last term saw Madeleine Albright marginalized in favor of Richard Holbrooke (not a bad idea, but their roles should've been reversed if you're going to do that).
The team of rivals wasn't a thing, but neither was it a myth created by Obama. It was the book everyone in politics, in the media or interested in politics was reading - so it got bandied about. It was exactly the same as, say, comparing whoever's in office unfavourably to Johnson whenever the latest Caro volume comes out, or every argument stemming from some moddish theory by people like Mead or Brooks.
I already feel sorry for the poor fucker who has to be the next SoD. Stuck with incoherent policies from the idiot in the White House he or she can only fail. Might as well make Valerie Jarrett the next SoD, she will have more influence on policy anyway.
And no, I didn't Fire Chuck Hagel.
Meh, it'll be a babysitting gig. Just waiting out the clock.
Quote from: Hansmeister on November 24, 2014, 11:09:06 PM
And no, I didn't Fire Chuck Hagel.
There's always next time right? :)
Petraeus should be the next SoD.
:lol: General E-mail is more than happy at his cushy Ivy gig.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 25, 2014, 01:17:45 PM
:lol: General E-mail is more than happy at his cushy Ivy gig.
Hey, it was the NSA who fucked him out of his future Presidency.
The rest of the people in the Army has learnt the lesson.
Quote from: Siege on November 25, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Petraeus should be the next SoD.
Heard on the BBC portion of NPR that a change of law would be needed. Current law says a person has to be out of uniform for 7 years.
Quote from: Siege on November 25, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Hey, it was the NSA who fucked him out of his future Presidency.
No, it was a pair of panties.
QuoteThe rest of the people in the Army has learnt the lesson.
No, it hasn't.
We'll have to wait for Hagel's book on the inside chicanery of the Obama admin to find out why Hagel was fired. Can't believe anything from the WH on it. ;)
Quote from: KRonn on November 25, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
We'll have to wait for Hagel's book on the inside chicanery of the Obama admin to find out why Hagel was fired. Can't believe anything from the WH on it. ;)
Of course not. Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 25, 2014, 01:21:45 PM
No, it was a pair of panties.
Yeah. I think of his scandal as vetting way, way, way in advance.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
Of course not. Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.
Fox News tells us that dissent is patriotic.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: KRonn on November 25, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
We'll have to wait for Hagel's book on the inside chicanery of the Obama admin to find out why Hagel was fired. Can't believe anything from the WH on it. ;)
Of course not. Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.
I don't need Fox news to wise me up to that. :)
Quote from: derspiess on November 25, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
Of course not. Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.
Fox News tells us that dissent is patriotic.
Only when the President is a Democrat. When the President is Republican, dissent is treason.
Duh.
Quote from: derspiess on November 25, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
Of course not. Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.
Fox News tells us that dissent is patriotic.
Not so much back in 2006.
Whoosh.
Quote from: derspiess on November 25, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 25, 2014, 01:21:45 PM
No, it was a pair of panties.
Yeah. I think of his scandal as vetting way, way, way in advance.
Yet nobody vetted 0bama...
Everybody took his two books at face value.
Quote from: Siege on November 26, 2014, 12:23:45 PM
Yet nobody vetted 0bama...
Fox news failed you Siege :cry: