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Started by CountDeMoney, November 24, 2014, 09:47:39 AM

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CountDeMoney

More observations of Hagelpalooza from the WP--

QuoteOne of the enduring narratives of the Obama administration is that of a so-called Team of Rivals presidential Cabinet -- the idea that the best and brightest would be brought in (and listened to) whether or not they were part of Obama's campaign inner circle. But Chuck Hagel's "resignation" as defense secretary is the latest sign that the Team of Rivals idea is effectively over -- if it ever really existed in the first place.

Here's how the New York Times's Helene Cooper, who broke the news, wrote about the move:

    A respected former senator who struck a friendship with Mr. Obama when they were both critics of the Iraq war from positions on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Mr. Hagel has nonetheless had trouble penetrating the tight team of former campaign aides and advisers who form Mr. Obama's closely knit set of loyalists.

The second half of that sentence -- "had trouble penetrating the tight team of former campaign aides and advisers who form Mr. Obama's closely knit set of loyalists" -- could be written about dozens of top officials who have come and gone over the six years of the Obama presidency. While Obama got huge amounts of praise for persuading his former rival Hillary Rodham Clinton to serve as Secretary of State in his first term, her heavily political memoir of that time nonetheless made clear the times she differed with him and his inner circle on policy.

And, as Obama's presidency wore on -- and he won a second term -- he almost abandoned the idea of surrounding himself with people who actively disagreed with him. In fact, the decisions to nominate Hagel at the Pentagon, John Brennan at the CIA, John Kerry at the State Department and Jack Lew at Treasury at the start of his second term were widely considered evidence of the president's belief that he needed loyalists around him as he sought to build a second-term legacy. As The Washington Post's Scott Wilson wrote at the time:

    The nominations underscore how little time Obama has left to accomplish an enduring governing legacy, and that on-the-job training, political drama and the unpredictability he discovered in some of his outside-the-Beltway nominees last time around have no place in a second-term administration. Nearly all of the men — and so far they are all men — have been with Obama, one way or another, since his first presidential campaign or early days in office.

    "Unlike the first term, which was often referred to as a team of rivals, I think this is going to be more like a band of brothers," said Karl F. Inderfurth, an assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration.

    It is not an uncommon approach for second-term presidents to take. But it leaves Obama vulnerable to criticism, including from his supporters, that he is burrowing deeper into an insular inner circle rather than reaching out for new people and their ideas about how to work most effectively with a sharply divided Congress.

That trend has only accelerated in the time since Wilson wrote that piece almost 20 months ago. Obama has been hit with a series of controversies foreign and domestic -- think Ebola, ISIS, the VA, etc. -- that have not only succeeded in sinking his approval ratings (and cost his party big-time at the ballot box) but also furthered the hunkering-down-with-loyalists strategy that Wilson described in January 2013.

So, was the Team of Rivals ever a real thing? Or was it a mythology created by Obama and a willing media? The obvious "rivals" were Clinton and Bob Gates, who had served as defense secretary in George W. Bush's second term and whom Obama kept on. In other key jobs, Obama went with longtime loyalists such as Eric Holder for attorney general, Tim Geithner at Treasury and Arne Duncan at the Education Department. (Obama also tried to put a loyalist -- Tom Daschle -- at the Department of Health and Human Services, but his nomination failed.) And the president's key inner core -- David Axelrod, Dan Pfeiffer and Valerie Jarrett to name three -- was always at the center of every decision and, in many ways, superseded the people he put in the Cabinet.

That consolidation of power into a select few top aides -- and the related powering-down of the Cabinet -- wasn't unique to Obama. Bush had his "Iron Triangle" of advisers -- Joe Allbaugh, Karen Hughes and Karl Rove -- who were considered the final voices on many policy decisions.

But, remember that one of the key arguments Obama made when campaigning in 2008 was that he represented a break from the sort of buddy-buddy government management style that Bush symbolized for many Americans. The very idea of the Team of Rivals concept grew out of Obama's campaign promises to run a meritocracy in direct contrast to how he saw the Bush White House run.

The arc of Obama's presidency when it comes to who he listens to most, however, appears to be not all that dissimilar from the one he rose to prominence critiquing.  It turns out that in politics, keeping your friends close and your enemies (or at least rivals) closer isn't as important as keeping your friends close.

Not that any of this is unique:  Dubya's Administration saw Colin Powell pushed out of the circle, and Clinton's last term saw Madeleine Albright marginalized in favor of Richard Holbrooke (not a bad idea, but their roles should've been reversed if you're going to do that).

Sheilbh

The team of rivals wasn't a thing, but neither was it a myth created by Obama. It was the book everyone in politics, in the media or interested in politics was reading - so it got bandied about. It was exactly the same as, say, comparing whoever's in office unfavourably to Johnson whenever the latest Caro volume comes out, or every argument stemming from some moddish theory by people like Mead or Brooks.
Let's bomb Russia!

Hansmeister

I already feel sorry for the poor fucker who has to be the next SoD.  Stuck with incoherent policies from the idiot in the White House he or she can only fail. Might as well make Valerie Jarrett the next SoD, she will have more influence on policy anyway.

And no, I didn't Fire Chuck Hagel.

CountDeMoney

Meh, it'll be a babysitting gig.  Just waiting out the clock.

Caliga

Quote from: Hansmeister on November 24, 2014, 11:09:06 PM
And no, I didn't Fire Chuck Hagel.
There's always next time right?  :)
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Siege

Petraeus should be the next SoD.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


CountDeMoney

 :lol:  General E-mail is more than happy at his cushy Ivy gig.

Siege

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 25, 2014, 01:17:45 PM
:lol:  General E-mail is more than happy at his cushy Ivy gig.

Hey, it was the NSA who fucked him out of his future Presidency.
The rest of the people in the Army has learnt the lesson.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Admiral Yi

Quote from: Siege on November 25, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Petraeus should be the next SoD.

Heard on the BBC portion of NPR that a change of law would be needed.  Current law says a person has to be out of uniform for 7 years.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Siege on November 25, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Hey, it was the NSA who fucked him out of his future Presidency.

No, it was a pair of panties.

QuoteThe rest of the people in the Army has learnt the lesson.

No, it hasn't.


KRonn

We'll have to wait for Hagel's book on the inside chicanery of the Obama admin to find out why Hagel was fired. Can't believe anything from the WH on it.  ;)

Razgovory

Quote from: KRonn on November 25, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
We'll have to wait for Hagel's book on the inside chicanery of the Obama admin to find out why Hagel was fired. Can't believe anything from the WH on it.  ;)

Of course not.  Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 25, 2014, 01:21:45 PM
No, it was a pair of panties.

Yeah.  I think of his scandal as vetting way, way, way in advance.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
Of course not.  Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.

Fox News tells us that dissent is patriotic.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

KRonn

Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: KRonn on November 25, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
We'll have to wait for Hagel's book on the inside chicanery of the Obama admin to find out why Hagel was fired. Can't believe anything from the WH on it.  ;)

Of course not.  Fox News tells you not to believe Obama.

I don't need Fox news to wise me up to that.   :)