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Title: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Queequeg on November 05, 2014, 02:33:37 AM
Self-explanatory.  Looking for like 330-700. 
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Syt on November 05, 2014, 02:57:25 AM
Creative Assembly are working on Total War: Attila.

Other than that, no idea.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Martinus on November 05, 2014, 03:55:39 AM
Civilization V.  :P
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Ed Anger on November 05, 2014, 09:51:05 AM
You tried Fields of Glory?

http://matrixgames.com/products/378/details/Field.of.Glory

You'd need an expansion for Late Empire lolz though.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: The Minsky Moment on November 05, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
Sadly Great Invasions was never fixed nor remade.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: garbon on November 05, 2014, 01:03:04 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 05, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
Sadly Great Invasions was never fixed nor remade.

To be fair it was never actually good. Nice concept but I wouldn't say it really played out better than even the mod I'd been working on as a replication of it for Eu2. -_-
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: mongers on November 05, 2014, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 05, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
Sadly Great Invasions was never fixed nor remade.

Found it the other day during a clear out, maybe I should give it a proper go.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: garbon on November 05, 2014, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: mongers on November 05, 2014, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 05, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
Sadly Great Invasions was never fixed nor remade.

Found it the other day during a clear out, maybe I should give it a proper go.

Unfortunately it is very buggy.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

It looks like there's a COIN boardgame coming on 5th century Britain: http://instagram.com/p/uYVDAeoXc7/?modal=true
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Agelastus on November 05, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

That looks...terrible.

Let's have Romans and Barbarians!  :D On a random map!  :huh:
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 02:55:27 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 05, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

That looks...terrible.

Let's have Romans and Barbarians!  :D On a random map!  :huh:

:huh:  Didn't bother reading very far, did you?

Quote• Play on a geographically accurate map of Europe or 100% randomly-generated worlds.

I know attention-spans aren't very popular these days, but this is getting silly.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Agelastus on November 06, 2014, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 02:55:27 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 05, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

That looks...terrible.

Let's have Romans and Barbarians!  :D On a random map!  :huh:

:huh:  Didn't bother reading very far, did you?

Quote• Play on a geographically accurate map of Europe or 100% randomly-generated worlds.

I know attention-spans aren't very popular these days, but this is getting silly.

:huh:

Read four of their previews and looked at all the map shots. Everything random.

So where was that?

Edit: oh, I see. Right at the bottom. Just before the point that says you only have the choice of 10 tribes; I can think of more than that that ought to be included without even looking up my reference books.

Still looks terrible.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: grumbler on November 06, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 02:55:27 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 05, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

That looks...terrible.

Let's have Romans and Barbarians!  :D On a random map!  :huh:

:huh:  Didn't bother reading very far, did you?

Quote• Play on a geographically accurate map of Europe or 100% randomly-generated worlds.

I know attention-spans aren't very popular these days, but this is getting silly.

Once Age has decided it is terrible, the reasons don't matter; if he gets the first set of reasons wrong because they are based on ignorant assumptions, he can come up with new reasons in a trice.  Ignorant assumptions are more numerous than facts.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Agelastus on November 06, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 06, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 02:55:27 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 05, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

That looks...terrible.

Let's have Romans and Barbarians!  :D On a random map!  :huh:

:huh:  Didn't bother reading very far, did you?

Quote• Play on a geographically accurate map of Europe or 100% randomly-generated worlds.

I know attention-spans aren't very popular these days, but this is getting silly.

Once Age has decided it is terrible, the reasons don't matter; if he gets the first set of reasons wrong because they are based on ignorant assumptions, he can come up with new reasons in a trice.  Ignorant assumptions are more numerous than facts.

:lol:

Well, at least I'm not as single minded as you. You haven't changed your mind on anything since the Fall of the Empire. :P

[You do realise that if I've read four of the previews I have to have based my opinion on more than just "Random Maps, NO!", don't you?]
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2014, 11:30:54 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 06, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
Once Age has decided it is terrible, the reasons don't matter; if he gets the first set of reasons wrong because they are based on ignorant assumptions, he can come up with new reasons in a trice.  Ignorant assumptions are more numerous than facts.

It only really works with the English accent, though.  That adds gravitas.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 06, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 06, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 02:55:27 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 05, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

That looks...terrible.

Let's have Romans and Barbarians!  :D On a random map!  :huh:

:huh:  Didn't bother reading very far, did you?

Quote• Play on a geographically accurate map of Europe or 100% randomly-generated worlds.

I know attention-spans aren't very popular these days, but this is getting silly.

Once Age has decided it is terrible, the reasons don't matter; if he gets the first set of reasons wrong because they are based on ignorant assumptions, he can come up with new reasons in a trice.  Ignorant assumptions are more numerous than facts.

:lol:

Well, at least I'm not as single minded as you. You haven't changed your mind on anything since the Fall of the Empire. :P

[You do realise that if I've read four of the previews I have to have based my opinion on more than just "Random Maps, NO!", don't you?]

At this point, I'm not sure you understood the previews if you did read them...
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Agelastus on November 06, 2014, 12:33:45 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 06, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 06, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2014, 02:55:27 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 05, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pishtaco on November 05, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
The lead designer of Civ V is working on one, At the Gates (http://www.atthegatesgame.com/).

That looks...terrible.

Let's have Romans and Barbarians!  :D On a random map!  :huh:

:huh:  Didn't bother reading very far, did you?

Quote• Play on a geographically accurate map of Europe or 100% randomly-generated worlds.

I know attention-spans aren't very popular these days, but this is getting silly.

Once Age has decided it is terrible, the reasons don't matter; if he gets the first set of reasons wrong because they are based on ignorant assumptions, he can come up with new reasons in a trice.  Ignorant assumptions are more numerous than facts.

:lol:

Well, at least I'm not as single minded as you. You haven't changed your mind on anything since the Fall of the Empire. :P

[You do realise that if I've read four of the previews I have to have based my opinion on more than just "Random Maps, NO!", don't you?]

At this point, I'm not sure you understood the previews if you did read them...

Simply because I take away from them "going to be a terrible game" and you don't? :hmm:

Please elaborate...
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: grumbler on November 07, 2014, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 06, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
:lol:

Well, at least I'm not as single minded as you. You haven't changed your mind on anything since the Fall of the Empire. :P

[You do realise that if I've read four of the previews I have to have based my opinion on more than just "Random Maps, NO!", don't you?]

:lol:

You are, in fact, more simple-minded than I even thought you were.  You claim to have read four reviews and yet the biggest objection to the game you can come up with is an objection that isn't even true? :P

[You do realize that I've read...  five... no... ten.. yeah, ten reviews, that's the ticket...and none of them thought that the game was restricted to Romans and Barbarians on a random map, don't you?].
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Grallon on November 07, 2014, 01:06:44 PM
This one looks interesting Habbaku - despite the watercolor map.  I watched the hour long demo and the mechanics seem well thought out and streamlined.

Thank you for sharing.



G.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: crazy canuck on November 07, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
This looks interesting.  I am looking forward to the Languish early reviews.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Agelastus on November 07, 2014, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 07, 2014, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on November 06, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
:lol:

Well, at least I'm not as single minded as you. You haven't changed your mind on anything since the Fall of the Empire. :P

[You do realise that if I've read four of the previews I have to have based my opinion on more than just "Random Maps, NO!", don't you?]

:lol:

You are, in fact, more simple-minded than I even thought you were.  You claim to have read four reviews and yet the biggest objection to the game you can come up with is an objection that isn't even true? :P

[You do realize that I've read...  five... no... ten.. yeah, ten reviews, that's the ticket...and none of them thought that the game was restricted to Romans and Barbarians on a random map, don't you?].

:lol:

I must remember this; the moment Grumbler went so far off the rails that he confused the words preview and review. Not just once but several times.

Or in other words I was reading the site Grumbler...you know, the very thing I was accused of not doing.

:P

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Anyway, on a more serious note, you do realise that they're selling the "random map" feature as a main attraction of the game, don't you? After all, they have half the blurb and all the pictures lauding the random map option, even going so far as to describe the nature of the random maps as being "innovative". Then, almost as an afterthought, they stick at the bottom of the page "Oh, and you can play it with an accurate map as well".

If you're going to create a game where you think some "innovative random map feature" is going to be a main selling point why sell it as an historical game of the period. It's no more of the period than "Age of Empires" (itself a very, very fun game) was.

Edit: Oh, and hey...looking at the first minute only of the "Let's play" video it looks possible that they haven't even designed the "real world" map yet. Note that the only option the alpha has is for a random map.

Yep. That looks very much like a designer with an idea of "cool systems and features" for a game that he wants to use and then desperately looking around for an historical period he can force them into. Rather than starting with a historical period and working out what he needs for a game from there. With that method he might as well have designed a fantasy game.
Title: Re: Good Late Antique-Early Dark Ages Games that aren't RTW:BI?
Post by: Agelastus on November 07, 2014, 04:29:38 PM
So, I've watched 27.44 minutes of the demo (I'll watch the rest at another time.)

So far?

Well, it's a typical "you know nothing" at the start. No tech, no real knowledge of the geography. There's even caravans in the game yet they haven't even brought your tribe any "rumours of faraway lands". Very period feel there, eh? At least there's a good excuse for that in Civilisation and AoE games.

He's had 3 "clans" join his tribe despite having no fame and no food production (or anything else) to attract them. I hope that means he's playing on an "easy" level where the player gets bonuses. :hmm:

Also, having "clans" that each specialise in one field only seems very superficial, even with the possibility of retraining. Why call them "clans" at all even, since you can apparently have a whole clan of bards? In fact, given the era, giving them 3 or 4 specialisations would give a better historical feel. Say "Primary farmer", "Secondary hunter, fletcher" "Tertiary warrior". They're good at the first, average at the second two and poor (but can do it) at the fourth. Give you the flexibility to use them more as needed.

[OK, maybe some of the above is a little unfair for criticism of an Alpha; but if he's showing it off most of the basic stuff ought to be settled, oughtn't it.]

Anyway, I've still not seen anything that screams at me, "play it"; in fact, it still looks pretty terrible to me. And to be honest that does disappoint me a little, the period is crying out for a good game. Although I'd prefer one where it was possible to play the Roman side as well. I really doubt that "Total War: Atilla" is going to be that impressive, after all.