Poll
Question:
If you were the Israeli Prime Minister would you strike Iran's nuclear sites?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 18
Option 2: No
votes: 26
We've beat this issue to death here, so lets see how the issue stands by the numbers.
No.
We're not allowed to comment, then? Just vote?
Sure you can comment if you want to.
oK.
Abso-fucking-lutely yeah. Once our Intel shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that those nuclear sites are being used to create weapons-grade nukes.
Yeah.
As Israel prime minister, nukes in Iran, our avowed enemy, is not a good thing.
Depends on who wins the election.
In Iran, that is.
On the other hand, if I were the Israeli prime minister, I'd have been elected on some peacenik agenda and would be inclined to slow-dance with the head of the PA and send flowers to Tehran each day with a card saying "Have I told you lately how much I love you?" along with strippers from IDF.
No. With a hostile US administration, they have no chance of success.
What, and get Haifa and the kibbutzes rocketed up by Hizbullah again? I think I'd rather just order the Mossad to foment rebellion from within.
In any case, we wouldn't get nuked on my watch, so I wouldn't be blamed.
If I thought a strike could eliminate Iran's capability with no chance of reconstitution, yes.
In other words, no.
QuoteYes
- 11 (52.4%)
I can only surmise that the majority of this board are idiots, an Israeli bombing of Iran's nuclear sites would be geopolitical armageddon in the Middle East. You could kiss goodbye any rapproachment with Iran and the Islamic world, serious retardment of the Palestinian peace process, and angrier Hizbullah and Hamas, a ferocious Iranian response in Iraq and possibly Afghanistan. Israeli-US relations would be crippled...no, actually that would be a good thing. And worst of all, a bombing would most likely delay Iran's nuclear programme for a month or two at most. There's a reason that the most pro-Israeli US administration in history refused to greenlight an attack (allegedly).
Quote from: Josephus on June 13, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
Abso-fucking-lutely yeah. Once our Intel shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that those nuclear sites are being used to create weapons-grade nukes.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
Who's the new sock puppet and why can't he read a simple poll?
Probably Ed or Jaron. Either way, not worth paying attention, though.
officially Israel will not confirm or deny possesion of nukes so I assume this poll is hypothetical, based on rumoured capacity. :P
voted no. cop to having weapons and work more on international arms down.
Quote from: saskganesh on June 14, 2009, 02:01:02 AM
officially Israel will not confirm or deny possesion of nukes so I assume this poll is hypothetical, based on rumoured capacity. :P
voted no. cop to having weapons and work more on international arms down.
You think that Israel has no capacity to strike Iran except by nukes?
I'm too lazy to make sock puppets, and Neil looks too closely at that stuff. Honestly, I don't even know why you'd suspect me Syt, I've never made a sock ever.
As for the question, there are many known unknowns.
I guess that the Israelis don't think they can hit the targets hard enough to cripple the Iranian program. I haven't read up on what is known about the Iranian sites but I would suppose that they are less sensitive to airstrikes than say the Syrian site. 7,000 centrifuges (or whatever) for enriching uranium are a bit harder to kill than a single reactor for plutonium production. Also unlike Syria (I assume) the Iranians are big enough to be able to replace key personnel etc if need be and are not dependent on foreign assistance.
A nuclear first strike would set in motion a series of events that is just too unpredictable for comfort. I'd have to get a lot more desperate before I'd try that one.
If Iran had been as easy to hit successfully as Syria I would strike. But it's not so I wouldn't.
Quote from: Syt on June 14, 2009, 01:23:58 AM
Probably Ed or Jaron. Either way, not worth paying attention, though.
Ed's to busy. It's probably that creepy German guy.
Quote from: Norgy on June 13, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
along with strippers from IDF.
That would just get you nuked by Iran faster. :P
Quote from: Razgovory on June 14, 2009, 02:42:05 AM
Quote from: Syt on June 14, 2009, 01:23:58 AM
Probably Ed or Jaron. Either way, not worth paying attention, though.
Ed's to busy. It's probably that creepy German guy.
1:28am? I was asleep, like most normal folk.
Quote from: Ahmadinejads Shaggy Beard on June 14, 2009, 12:10:51 AM
QuoteYes
- 11 (52.4%)
I can only surmise that the majority of this board are idiots, an Israeli bombing of Iran's nuclear sites would be geopolitical armageddon in the Middle East. You could kiss goodbye any rapproachment with Iran and the Islamic world, serious retardment of the Palestinian peace process, and angrier Hizbullah and Hamas, a ferocious Iranian response in Iraq and possibly Afghanistan. Israeli-US relations would be crippled...no, actually that would be a good thing. And worst of all, a bombing would most likely delay Iran's nuclear programme for a month or two at most. There's a reason that the most pro-Israeli US administration in history refused to greenlight an attack (allegedly).
The other option, from an Israeli point of view, is a nuclear-armed Iran.
Hmm. I'll still go with taking them out.
Wait...We're not talking about nuking them. Israel wouldnt' do that.
We're just talking about a strategic air strike, like they did years ago in Iraq.
I would follow my people.
QuotePoll: Most Israelis could live with a nuclear Iran
Only one in five Israeli Jews believes a nuclear-armed Iran would try to destroy Israel and most see life continuing as normal should the Islamic Republic get the bomb, an opinion poll published on Sunday found.
The survey, commissioned by a Tel Aviv University think-tank, appeared to challenge the argument of successive Israeli governments that Iran must be denied the means to make atomic weapons lest it threaten Israel's existence.
Asked how a nuclear-armed Iran would affect their lives, 80 percent of respondents said they expected no change. Eleven percent said they would consider emigrating and 9 percent said they would consider relocating inside Israel.
No, I'd have better things to do, like doing what the international community wants with the Palestinians.
Quote from: Tyr on June 14, 2009, 10:55:41 AM
No, I'd have better things to do, like doing what the international community wants with the Palestinians.
As an Israeli prime minister why would you care what the international community wants? You should care what your constituents want.
Only as part of a grander scheme. Conventional strikes against research and enrichment centres would be accompanied by atomic strikes on population centres.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 14, 2009, 10:55:41 AM
No, I'd have better things to do, like doing what the international community wants with the Palestinians.
As an Israeli prime minister why would you care what the international community wants? You should care what your constituents want.
Jos' main job as PM of Israel would be getting assassinated. Emo kids don't make good politicians.
No. I would focus entirely on population centres.
No bomb left behind.
QuotePoll: Most Israelis could live with a nuclear Iran
Most might be ok with it, but they're not going to be able to live with it.
Quote from: The Brain on June 14, 2009, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 14, 2009, 02:01:02 AM
officially Israel will not confirm or deny possesion of nukes so I assume this poll is hypothetical, based on rumoured capacity. :P
voted no. cop to having weapons and work more on international arms down.
You think that Israel has no capacity to strike Iran except by nukes?
they have no moral capacity for a first strike.
Quote from: saskganesh on June 14, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 14, 2009, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 14, 2009, 02:01:02 AM
officially Israel will not confirm or deny possesion of nukes so I assume this poll is hypothetical, based on rumoured capacity. :P
voted no. cop to having weapons and work more on international arms down.
You think that Israel has no capacity to strike Iran except by nukes?
they have no moral capacity for a first strike.
I don't follow.
Quote from: saskganesh on June 14, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 14, 2009, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 14, 2009, 02:01:02 AM
officially Israel will not confirm or deny possesion of nukes so I assume this poll is hypothetical, based on rumoured capacity. :P
voted no. cop to having weapons and work more on international arms down.
You think that Israel has no capacity to strike Iran except by nukes?
they have no moral capacity for a first strike.
I wasn't talking about a nuclear first strike.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 14, 2009, 10:55:41 AM
No, I'd have better things to do, like doing what the international community wants with the Palestinians.
As an Israeli prime minister why would you care what the international community wants? You should care what your constituents want.
:lol:
Since when have politicians did that?
I'd never get elected to being Israeli PM of course but if some weird magic places me in that position then I'm going to do the right thing rather than be a populist.
If airstrike can solve the problem, I bet they would already have done it.
Quote from: Tyr on June 15, 2009, 05:28:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 14, 2009, 10:55:41 AM
No, I'd have better things to do, like doing what the international community wants with the Palestinians.
As an Israeli prime minister why would you care what the international community wants? You should care what your constituents want.
:lol:
Since when have politicians did that?
I'd never get elected to being Israeli PM of course but if some weird magic places me in that position then I'm going to do the right thing rather than be a populist.
:huh: Any politician interested in reelection and the well being of his country does that.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 15, 2009, 06:08:16 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 15, 2009, 05:28:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 14, 2009, 10:55:41 AM
No, I'd have better things to do, like doing what the international community wants with the Palestinians.
As an Israeli prime minister why would you care what the international community wants? You should care what your constituents want.
:lol:
Since when have politicians did that?
I'd never get elected to being Israeli PM of course but if some weird magic places me in that position then I'm going to do the right thing rather than be a populist.
:huh: Any politician interested in reelection and the well being of his country does that.
It would of course be beyond the realms of possibility that what insane right-wing fringe lunatics in Israel want does not form the only interpretation of Israeli national interest.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 15, 2009, 06:08:16 AM
:huh: Any politician interested in reelection and the well being of his country does that.
No they don't.
Only if there's a huge press campaign on certain issues do they even humour the populace's ideas on how the country should be run.
Thats generally not how politicans work at all. They try to look out for the best interests of their country (usually) but they don't do that by mindlessly pandering to the masses and asking them how to do things.
Quote from: Warspite on June 15, 2009, 06:10:34 AM
It would of course be beyond the realms of possibility that what insane right-wing fringe lunatics in Israel want does not form the only interpretation of Israeli national interest.
On the other hand, I don't think it's a good idea to give viscious anti-semites like Jos any credence when they claim that Israel's national interest is to encourage Muslims to destroy them.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 15, 2009, 05:47:46 AM
If airstrike can solve the problem, I bet they would already have done it.
It wouldn't. Iranian paramilitaries are way too decentralized for a surgical strike program to do much against them; there's just very little hierarchy to break apart.
Also, as soon as word of the first strike got out, the Iranians would call up all their fence-sitting anti-semitic friends and go "See? We were right, the Jews shed Iranian blood" and the whole damn area would destabilize.
Way too much risk and way too little reward.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 07:56:55 AM
On the other hand, I don't think it's a good idea to give viscious anti-semites like Jos any credence when they claim that Israel's national interest is to encourage Muslims to destroy them.
Vicious anti-semite? :blink:
Quote from: Tyr on June 15, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 07:56:55 AM
On the other hand, I don't think it's a good idea to give viscious anti-semites like Jos any credence when they claim that Israel's national interest is to encourage Muslims to destroy them.
Vicious anti-semite? :blink:
Indeed you are.
Quote from: Tyr on June 15, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 07:56:55 AM
On the other hand, I don't think it's a good idea to give viscious anti-semites like Jos any credence when they claim that Israel's national interest is to encourage Muslims to destroy them.
Vicious anti-semite? :blink:
No, "viscious". I assume he meant viscous.
Quote from: The Brain on June 15, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
No, "viscious". I assume he meant viscous.
Sadly vacuous would be the most appropriate descriptor.
QuoteIndeed you are.
What a crappy insult, they're generally supposed to be based on some smidgen of truth you know.
The emo thing works, I am a bit bi-polar and so occasionally down and to you old folks all modern music is the same.
Anti-semite though is just random.
Quote from: garbon on June 16, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
Sadly vacuous would be the most appropriate descriptor.
My anti-semitism is quite vacuous really, yes
Quote from: Tyr on June 16, 2009, 04:52:40 PM
The emo thing works, I am a bit bi-polar and so occasionally down and to you old folks all modern music is the same.
And drunkard. Don't forget drunkard.
Quote from: Tyr on June 16, 2009, 04:52:40 PM
QuoteIndeed you are.
What a crappy insult, they're generally supposed to be based on some smidgen of truth you know.
The emo thing works, I am a bit bi-polar and so occasionally down and to you old folks all modern music is the same.
Anti-semite though is just random.
You support Palestine. Ergo, anti-semite.