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Title: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Solmyr on September 07, 2014, 10:16:16 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/Jack-Ripper-unmasked-How-amateur-sleuth-used-DNA-breakthrough-identify-Britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html

QuoteChief Inspector Donald Swanson, the officer in charge of the investigation, had named him in his notes: Aaron Kosminski, a Polish Jew who had fled to London with his family, escaping the Russian pogroms, in the early 1880s.

:Joos
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
Enough with the anti-semitism already.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Siege on September 07, 2014, 11:13:08 AM
Yeah. Enough with the anti-semitism.




Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: mongers on September 07, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
I took a rather attractive Latin American 'friend' on a tour of the murder scenes, her idea and it left me not so keen on her. Not that there was anything wrong with her.

I just don't get some people's fascination with serial killers.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: mongers on September 07, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
I took a rather attractive Latin American 'friend' on a tour of the murder scenes, her idea

OMG SO HAWT
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: mongers on September 07, 2014, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: mongers on September 07, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
I took a rather attractive Latin American 'friend' on a tour of the murder scenes, her idea

OMG SO HAWT

:D
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Savonarola on September 07, 2014, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 07, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
I took a rather attractive Latin American 'friend' on a tour of the murder scenes, her idea and it left me not so keen on her. Not that there was anything wrong with her.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpmd205465tn.download.theplatform.com.edgesuite.net%2FMiramax%2F952%2F543%2FPulp_Fiction_Taxi_Scene_1920x1080_216555075774.jpg&hash=d91e210771b45abb37a8acb129bd27f35e9c5fbc)

So, what does it feel like to kill a man?
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 07, 2014, 12:40:53 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 07, 2014, 11:13:08 AM
Yeah. Enough with the anti-semitism.

Stop killing whores.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 12:50:35 PM
An immigrant Jew.  I'm totally shocked that's who the English would hang this case on.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Razgovory on September 07, 2014, 02:33:14 PM
Eh, the guy was long a suspect.  The police thought he was the guy, but didn't have evidence.  He was just some crazy guy who died in an asylum.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Caliga on September 07, 2014, 02:36:31 PM
The Jews are the ones who will not be blamed for nothing. :yes:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2014, 02:33:14 PM
Eh, the guy was long a suspect.  The police thought he was the guy, but didn't have evidence.  He was just some crazy guy who died in an asylum.

The only thing more surprising was that there weren't more immigrant Jew suspects.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 07, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Not very fair, considering they had an ex-Jew PM.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 03:33:07 PM
He was about as Jewish as you.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Ideologue on September 07, 2014, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 07, 2014, 02:36:31 PM
The Jews are the ones who will not be blamed for nothing. :yes:

I was about to say the same thing. :D

JUWES
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Sheilbh on September 07, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 03:33:07 PM
He was about as Jewish as you.
:lol:

Benjamin Disraeli as Jewish as Peter Wiggin :P
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Caliga on September 07, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 07, 2014, 03:37:53 PM
I was about to say the same thing. :D

JUWES
Yeah but thus guy was a Jew, not a Juwe. :sleep:

Of course, he was also a Pole, so maybe that explains 'Juwe'. :D
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Ideologue on September 07, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
Perhaps he was a juwenile deliquent.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: DGuller on September 07, 2014, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 07, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
I took a rather attractive Latin American 'friend' on a tour of the murder scenes, her idea and it left me not so keen on her. Not that there was anything wrong with her.

I just don't get some people's fascination with serial killers.  :hmm:
Serial killers get all the girls.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 07, 2014, 04:09:18 PM
I didn't go to synagogue until I was 12. Besides, Jewish is also an ethnicity. Disraeli would have had a rough time of it if he was born a hundred years later in Germany.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Habbaku on September 07, 2014, 06:52:51 PM
The conclusion that it was the Pole doesn't seem airtight in the least.  Color me skeptical.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Josephus on September 07, 2014, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 07, 2014, 11:13:08 AM
Yeah. Enough with the anti-semitism.

Imagine if the English knew this then...be a fucking pogrom to end all pogroms
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Razgovory on September 07, 2014, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2014, 02:33:14 PM
Eh, the guy was long a suspect.  The police thought he was the guy, but didn't have evidence.  He was just some crazy guy who died in an asylum.

The only thing more surprising was that there weren't more immigrant Jew suspects.

There were a few more.  At the time most of the area was made up of Jewish immigrants, so naturally the man who killed those women was probably a Jewish immigrant.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 11:40:41 PM
Everybody knows it was David Warner anyway.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 08, 2014, 01:53:20 AM
The Wigger is a Jew?  I never would have guessed.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 08, 2014, 02:34:10 AM
 :lol:

I'm as Jewish as I am black.

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:sleep:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2014, 08:19:45 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 07, 2014, 06:52:51 PM
The conclusion that it was the Pole doesn't seem airtight in the least.  Color me skeptical.
How so? The  victim's blood is on the shawl and so is a man's semen. DNA matches the Pole.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: derspiess on September 08, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 07, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 03:33:07 PM
He was about as Jewish as you.
:lol:

Benjamin Disraeli as Jewish as Peter Wiggin :P

I'm as British as Queen Victoria.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Brazen on September 08, 2014, 08:26:52 AM
Bloody Poles, coming over here, taking our jobs and benefits, murdering our prostitutes...
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: mongers on September 08, 2014, 08:39:30 AM
Damn, now they're gonna have to invent/discover a new serial killer to obsess about.  <_<
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Caliga on September 08, 2014, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2014, 08:19:45 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 07, 2014, 06:52:51 PM
The conclusion that it was the Pole doesn't seem airtight in the least.  Color me skeptical.
How so? The  victim's blood is on the shawl and so is a man's semen. DNA matches the Pole.
Well she was a hooker.  Maybe he took her to pound town at some time before her murder? :hmm:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Caliga on September 08, 2014, 08:57:43 AM
Also, the tests and stuff could be fake.  A while back a diary was 'discovered' by some dude named Maybrick where he confessed to being the Ripper but it turned out to have been a fabrication.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Malthus on September 08, 2014, 09:22:43 AM
Hasn't the Ripper been unmasked by DNA evidence before?

Quote"Cornwell found her most tangible support from a modern investigative technique: DNA testing. She visited Scotland Yard and examined several hundred documents and letters supposedly written by Jack the Ripper. Cornwell and Ripperologists are aware that most (if not all) of these letters were written by people other than the murderer. Letters from people claiming to be Jack the Ripper were sent to Scotland Yard into the 1960s, in fact. (Sickert, incidentally, died in 1942.) Some of the earliest letter forgers -- two of whom were women -- were arrested around the time of the murders [source: Ryder].

When the DNA test results were returned to Cornwell, she found a match. She had results from Ripper letters compared to samples taken from some of Sickert's known correspondence. She found a match among mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) that ruled out 99 percent of the human population, but not Sickert [source: SPT]. Mitochondrial DNA doesn't degrade as easily as nuclear DNA. This is significant, considering the Ripper letters that provided matches had been written a century before."

http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/jack-the-ripper-artist1.htm

Of course, the last time he was unmasked by DNA, it was a different guy ...  :hmm:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Caliga on September 08, 2014, 09:51:45 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.  The Sickert theory is preposterous.  IIRC he was living in France when most of the murders occurred. :sleep:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: The Brain on September 08, 2014, 10:01:01 AM
DNA didn't exist in the 19th century.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Tamas on September 08, 2014, 10:09:52 AM
I am SHOCKED that trying to ride on the latest craze of East Europeans fear mongering in the UK, somebody would dust this off. SHOCKED.

I bet the common cold came here from Eastern Europe as well.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: mongers on September 08, 2014, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on September 08, 2014, 10:09:52 AM
I am SHOCKED that trying to ride on the latest craze of East Europeans fear mongering in the UK, somebody would dust this off. SHOCKED.

I bet the common cold came here from Eastern Europe as well.

I did no such thing.  :mad:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Martinus on September 08, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
Eastern European Jews are murderers. Film at 11.

You-know-who was right after all.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Martinus on September 08, 2014, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: Brazen on September 08, 2014, 08:26:52 AM
Bloody Poles, coming over here, taking our jobs and benefits, murdering our prostitutes...

Wouldn't murdering prostitutes improve the job market? At least if Ide is right...  :hmm:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Siege on September 08, 2014, 04:07:14 PM
I withdraw my vote to reinstate Martinus.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Sheilbh on September 08, 2014, 04:57:32 PM
Quote from: Tamas on September 08, 2014, 10:09:52 AM
I am SHOCKED that trying to ride on the latest craze of East Europeans fear mongering in the UK, somebody would dust this off. SHOCKED.

I bet the common cold came here from Eastern Europe as well.
In fairness the guy wasn't Romanian :lol:
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Caliga on September 08, 2014, 07:17:43 PM
Here's some music to listen to in another tab while reading about this.

http://youtu.be/coLvuP7hQCA (http://youtu.be/coLvuP7hQCA)
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Caliga on September 09, 2014, 01:02:40 PM
Last I checked this claim was getting torn up left and right by Ripperologists.  Not surprising, since those guys no longer have steady income if the mystery gets solved.... and let's face it, it'll stop being so interesting if they mystery is ever solved.

All of the principal players in the Jack the Ripper drama are long dead, including the Ripper himself (herself?), so I'm not sure what the main motivation would be in solving this crime now other than bragging rights/book sales for the person who ends up solving it.
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: mongers on September 09, 2014, 03:15:38 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2014, 01:02:40 PM
Last I checked this claim was getting torn up left and right by Ripperologists.  Not surprising, since those guys no longer have steady income if the mystery gets solved.... and let's face it, it'll stop being so interesting if they mystery is ever solved.

All of the principal players in the Jack the Ripper drama are long dead, including the Ripper himself (herself?), so I'm not sure what the main motivation would be in solving this crime now other than bragging rights/book sales for the person who ends up solving it.

So you're saying Jack the Ripper was a frustrated publisher of pulp?
Title: Re: Jack the Ripper unmasked
Post by: Valmy on September 09, 2014, 11:14:57 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2014, 01:02:40 PM
so I'm not sure what the main motivation would be in solving this crime now other than bragging rights/book sales for the person who ends up solving it.

To demonstrate the danger of allowing Poles to live in London.