Isn't it just cheaper to teach people to aim?
http://www.livescience.com/46772-darpa-self-guided-sniper-bullets.html
video link
http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2014/07/10a.aspx
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Self-Guided Sniper Bullets Could Help Soldiers with Bad Aim
By Elizabeth Palermo, Staff Writer | July 11, 2014 06:17pm ET
How do you hit a target if you have bad aim? The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which is known for developing some of the country's most futuristic technologies, has developed a high-tech sniper-bullet system to solve that problem.
DARPA recently conducted its first successful live-fire tests of the agency's Extreme Accuracy Tasked Ordnance (EXACTO) program, which is designed to help military snipers hit targets, even when their aim is off.
A new video posted on DARPA's website Thursday (July 10) shows what happens when a sniper fires 50-caliber rounds from a rifle equipped with the EXACTO system. Despite the shots being off target, the sniper hits his mark every time.
The EXACTO system consists of a maneuverable bullet, as well as a real-time optical guidance component that can track and direct the bullet to the target. The system makes it easier for snipers to hit a moving target, DARPA officials say.
The system also allows a bullet that has already been fired to compensate for any unexpected factors that may have driven it off course, such as a strong gust of wind, rain or a dust storm.
The system was designed with the dusty terrain and high winds of Afghanistan in mind, according to DARPA. Agency officials have said snipers in Afghanistan need rifles with greater accuracy, because every shot that doesn't hit its mark could potentially expose the location of the sniper, and put the lives of both the shooter and nearby troops in danger.
But DARPA says the EXACTO system, which is currently in its second phase of development, can help solve this problem, which would be an improvement over even the most state-of-the-art sniper systems. The next phase of the EXACTO program will include further testing of the sniper system and additional enhancements to improve the system's performance, according to DARPA.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:14:12 AM
Isn't it just cheaper to teach people to aim?
Firing sniper rifles isn't exactly point and click.
Now they just have to put in on a drone at 40k feet and we're in business. (or was that Captain America the Winter Soldier?)
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2014, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:14:12 AM
Isn't it just cheaper to teach people to aim?
Firing sniper rifles isn't exactly point and click.
It is in Sniper Elite 2! In fact, I can even knock out IS-2 tanks with a sniper rifle in that game.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 17, 2014, 09:46:13 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2014, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:14:12 AM
Isn't it just cheaper to teach people to aim?
Firing sniper rifles isn't exactly point and click.
It is in Sniper Elite 2! In fact, I can even knock out IS-2 tanks with a sniper rifle in that game.
That's actually possible in real life. The key is tricking the IS-2 driver into driving onto a pile of explosives before you take your shot.
In the game all it requires is shooting the gas cap.
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Quote from: Razgovory on July 17, 2014, 10:10:30 AM
In the game all it requires is shooting the gas cap.
Which is glowing/pulsating red, IIRC. That was a fun-ass game. Silly a lot of the time, but fun.
Now even noobs can be snipers :w00t:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:14:12 AM
Isn't it just cheaper to teach people to aim?
Tracking Point Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD9utBMQ4SU
12 Year Old Girl Hits 1000 Yards with TrackingPoint Smart Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfpZjTOyiFA
Quote from: 11B4V on July 19, 2014, 01:35:08 AM
12 Year Old Girl Hits 1000 Yards with TrackingPoint Smart Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfpZjTOyiFA
Top comment, best comment?
QuoteGun Control = Teaching a 12 tear old how to control a gun. The more people did this, the less scared people would be of guns.
:lmfao:
Making fun of comments by gun nuts is like making fun of Russian state news on Ukraine. It's so easy it's boring, and both leave you scared because plenty of zombified fanatics actually believe that shit.
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 02:24:15 AM
Making fun of comments by gun nuts is like making fun of Russian state news on Ukraine. It's so easy it's boring, and both leave you scared because plenty of zombified fanatics actually believe that shit.
:lol: You and Hans are practically twins in your thinking. Only your tribal allegiances differ; your contempt for opinions other than your own, and your over-use of hyperbole, are identical.
I don't want to discourage you (or Hans), but I want to help the rest of the forum see how funny you guys are.
Grumbler and I are like twins as well. :)
Quote from: grumbler on July 19, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 02:24:15 AM
Making fun of comments by gun nuts is like making fun of Russian state news on Ukraine. It's so easy it's boring, and both leave you scared because plenty of zombified fanatics actually believe that shit.
:lol: You and Hans are practically twins in your thinking. Only your tribal allegiances differ; your contempt for opinions other than your own, and your over-use of hyperbole, are identical.
I don't want to discourage you (or Hans), but I want to help the rest of the forum see how funny you guys are.
:jaron: Do you and Berkut get paid per each use of "tribal" and "Drazi"?
And just like Berkut usually does, you're so blinded in your desire to invoke tribalism that you misidentified my position on the issue as well; I'm not so much against gun ownership as I am against fanatically idiotic arguments in support of gun fetishism. I concede that gun ownership in US is here to stay; I just wish gun fetishists conceded that this is a cultural choice of ours that costs tens of thousands of lives each year, and not babble on about how the safest society is the one where everyone is trained to use AK-47 at age 8.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 19, 2014, 02:37:50 PM
Grumbler and I are like twins as well. :)
Are you Schwarzenegger or DeVito?
Quote from: DGI just wish gun fetishists conceded that this is a cultural choice of ours that costs tens of thousands of lives each year, and not babble on about how the safest society is the one where everyone is trained to use AK-47 at age 8.
There'd be more job openings in that society.
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
:jaron: Do you and Berkut get paid per each use of "tribal" and "Drazi"?
Nope. Do you and Hans get paid a each time you engage in bullshit hyperbole?
QuoteAnd just like Berkut usually does, you're so blinded in your desire to invoke tribalism that you misidentified my position on the issue as well; I'm not so much against gun ownership as I am against fanatically idiotic arguments in support of gun fetishism.
Somebody owes you some money! :lmfao:
I didn't identify
any position for you, but you are so blinded by your bullshit hyperbole that you probably couldn't even see that. I don't care about your "position;: I laugh at your bullshit, which is pretty much identical to Hans's, except (apparently) deployed in defense of a different position. I say "apparently" because neither of you actually seems to have an intellectual argument, just a line of shit.
Quote from: grumbler on July 19, 2014, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
:jaron: Do you and Berkut get paid per each use of "tribal" and "Drazi"?
Nope. Do you and Hans get paid a each time you engage in bullshit hyperbole?
QuoteAnd just like Berkut usually does, you're so blinded in your desire to invoke tribalism that you misidentified my position on the issue as well; I'm not so much against gun ownership as I am against fanatically idiotic arguments in support of gun fetishism.
Somebody owes you some money! :lmfao:
I didn't identify any position for you, but you are so blinded by your bullshit hyperbole that you probably couldn't even see that. I don't care about your "position;: I laugh at your bullshit, which is pretty much identical to Hans's, except (apparently) deployed in defense of a different position. I say "apparently" because neither of you actually seems to have an intellectual argument, just a line of shit.
The position was implied by the use of "tribal". Then again, given the propensity to throw this term around meaninglessly, I may have been wrong to read into any implication.
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 05:15:44 PM
The position was implied by the use of "tribal". Then again, given the propensity to throw this term around meaninglessly, I may have been wrong to read into any implication.
No, "tribal" is not a position. Knowing, now, that you don't even know the meaning of the word, your extreme irritation at its use is even more amusing! :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on July 19, 2014, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 05:15:44 PM
The position was implied by the use of "tribal". Then again, given the propensity to throw this term around meaninglessly, I may have been wrong to read into any implication.
No, "tribal" is not a position. Knowing, now, that you don't even know the meaning of the word, your extreme irritation at its use is even more amusing! :lol:
You know what? You have the right to call me anything, that's your opinion, and we're all expressing opinions here. But if we're all going to be willfully obtuse while pretending to discuss things, then this forum is not going to be a very enjoyable place. I think you understand well enough that I was never operating under a misconception that "tribal" is a position, and that your post was a pointless attempt to score a point.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:14:12 AM
Isn't it just cheaper to teach people to aim?
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The EXACTO system consists of a maneuverable bullet, as well as a real-time optical guidance component that can track and direct the bullet to the target. The system makes it easier for snipers to hit a moving target, DARPA officials say.
The system also allows a bullet that has already been fired to compensate for any unexpected factors that may have driven it off course, such as a strong gust of wind, rain or a dust storm.
The system was designed with the dusty terrain and high winds of Afghanistan in mind, according to DARPA. Agency officials have said snipers in Afghanistan need rifles with greater accuracy, because every shot that doesn't hit its mark could potentially expose the location of the sniper, and put the lives of both the shooter and nearby troops in danger.
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No amount of training allows a sniper compensate for events that occur after the shot is taken.
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 06:10:20 PM
You know what? You have the right to call me anything, that's your opinion, and we're all expressing opinions here. But if we're all going to be willfully obtuse while pretending to discuss things, then this forum is not going to be a very enjoyable place. I think you understand well enough that I was never operating under a misconception that "tribal" is a position, and that your post was a pointless attempt to score a point.
:jaron:
Yoiu yourself said that
QuoteThe position was implied by the use of "tribal".
Now, if you are going to be willfully moronic and then try to weasel out of your moronic statements, this forum is... well, it actually will continue to be a very enjoyable place, because there's nothing more fun than a dancing weasel. Now, you can blame the moronic nature of your statements on the readers if you want, but that's just going to make people laugh harder. The redundancy is good, but would have been better if written "a pointless failed attempt to futilely score a point."
Quote from: grumbler on July 19, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 06:10:20 PM
You know what? You have the right to call me anything, that's your opinion, and we're all expressing opinions here. But if we're all going to be willfully obtuse while pretending to discuss things, then this forum is not going to be a very enjoyable place. I think you understand well enough that I was never operating under a misconception that "tribal" is a position, and that your post was a pointless attempt to score a point.
:jaron:
Yoiu yourself said that QuoteThe position was implied by the use of "tribal".
Now, if you are going to be willfully moronic and then try to weasel out of your moronic statements, this forum is... well, it actually will continue to be a very enjoyable place, because there's nothing more fun than a dancing weasel. Now, you can blame the moronic nature of your statements on the readers if you want, but that's just going to make people laugh harder. The redundancy is good, but would have been better if written "a pointless failed attempt to futilely score a point."
Position being implied by accusing me of tribalism does not make tribalism a position. And the bolded statement is actually not redundant.
Do you have anything else, or have you reached the bottom of your barrel?
There is a fairly good size ravine where a barrel once stood.
That picture is 10 years old now!
Quote from: grumbler on July 19, 2014, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 05:15:44 PM
The position was implied by the use of "tribal". Then again, given the propensity to throw this term around meaninglessly, I may have been wrong to read into any implication.
No, "tribal" is not a position. Knowing, now, that you don't even know the meaning of the word, your extreme irritation at its use is even more amusing! :lol:
Guller's tribe takes the position that more gun control is needed. Thus by accusing him of tribalism in a discussion regarding gun control, you are implying that he takes that position.
Don't intervene. Let them bleed each other.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 20, 2014, 01:16:25 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 19, 2014, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 19, 2014, 05:15:44 PM
The position was implied by the use of "tribal". Then again, given the propensity to throw this term around meaninglessly, I may have been wrong to read into any implication.
No, "tribal" is not a position. Knowing, now, that you don't even know the meaning of the word, your extreme irritation at its use is even more amusing! :lol:
Guller's tribe takes the position that more gun control is needed. Thus by accusing him of tribalism in a discussion regarding gun control, you are implying that he takes that position.
Actually, I noted that he and Hans may both be tribal in their thinking. Does this mean that I am implying that Hans favors strict gun control? Tribal thinking can mean many things, just as "magical thinking" doesn't necessarily imply Catholic.
And note that you are actually more "accusing" than I am in your tribalism statements, since you actually refer to "Guller's tribe," whereas I just noted that "yor tibal allegiances may differ." :D
Now, you will note from my post that what i was actually "accusing" DG and Hans of was "contempt for opinions other than your own, and... over-use of hyperbole." Guller has not disputed either of those. :D
Quote from: Ideologue on July 20, 2014, 02:11:09 AM
Don't intervene. Let them bleed each other.
Bleed? I am i a battle of wits with an unarmed man. This isn't a matter of bleeding, it is a dancing weasel show.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2014, 09:49:34 AM
Actually, I noted that he and Hans may both be tribal in their thinking. Does this mean that I am implying that Hans favors strict gun control?
Supremely clever.
QuoteNow, you will note from my post that what i was actually "accusing" DG and Hans of was "contempt for opinions other than your own, and... over-use of hyperbole." Guller has not disputed either of those. :D
Can't dispute every accusation, that would make the thread grow exponentially. Every rebuttal brings in two counter-accusations, so I have to let some go.
QuoteBleed? I am i a battle of wits with an unarmed man. This isn't a matter of bleeding, it is a dancing weasel show.
At least we agree on the nature of the discussion. I imagine we disagree on the identity of the witless weasel, though.
Quote from: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 10:11:49 AM
At least we agree on the nature of the discussion. I imagine we disagree on the identity of the witless weasel, though.
If we do, you are the only one in doubt. So far, you have made zero points and I have at least two of three, with the third (whether "tribal thinking" imples "ardently pro-con-control") in contention. And the third one is about to be won, as well, I think. To wit:
The classic example of tribal thinking, to me, comes out in almost any discussion of our respective
alma maters (or, in the case, of MBM, the Big Twelve conference). We don't allow mere evidence to persuade us that any given school is, overall, better than our
alma mater (or, in MBM's case, that the assignment of TV rights doesn't inescapably lock in Big Twelve members), and that's pretty much the definition of tribal thinking: following the tribe's conclusions rather than thinking about something objectively. That has nothing whatsoever to do with gun control. Ergo, a mere reference to tribal thinking does not imply anything about a position on gun control.
I don't think you can convincingly label anybody's thinking as "tribal" without being able to identify the tribe to which they belong.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 10:11:49 AM
At least we agree on the nature of the discussion. I imagine we disagree on the identity of the witless weasel, though.
If we do, you are the only one in doubt. So far, you have made zero points and I have at least two of three, with the third (whether "tribal thinking" imples "ardently pro-con-control") in contention. And the third one is about to be won, as well, I think. To wit:
The classic example of tribal thinking, to me, comes out in almost any discussion of our respective alma maters (or, in the case, of MBM, the Big Twelve conference). We don't allow mere evidence to persuade us that any given school is, overall, better than our alma mater (or, in MBM's case, that the assignment of TV rights doesn't inescapably lock in Big Twelve members), and that's pretty much the definition of tribal thinking: following the tribe's conclusions rather than thinking about something objectively. That has nothing whatsoever to do with gun control. Ergo, a mere reference to tribal thinking does not imply anything about a position on gun control.
Yes, you're a real winner.
Not sure how any of the things you posted are relevant or follow. All I've done to set you off on this bizarre rant is express deep disdain for the typical gun nuts' arguments. That disdain comes from my intolerance of extremely poor arguments based on both shoddy facts and shoddy logical chain, not from any tribal allegiance that I may have. Gun nuts do have some of the worst arguments we hear in public discourse, because they're trying to pass off costly cultural preference that they feel extremely strongly about as free lunch.
Sometimes I wonder if Grumbler can really have so little self-awareness.
Quote from: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
Yes, you're a real winner.
Given that you are no longer contesting my third point, either, I'd say that, yes, I am. :showoff:
QuoteNot sure how any of the things you posted are relevant or follow.
I know you aren't sure how to follow an argument. Don't let it worry you; your posting style doesn't depend on that ability, it seems to me. :console:
QuoteAll I've done to set you off on this bizarre rant is express deep disdain for the typical gun nuts' arguments. That disdain comes from my intolerance of extremely poor arguments based on both shoddy facts and shoddy logical chain, not from any tribal allegiance that I may have. Gun nuts do have some of the worst arguments we hear in public discourse, because they're trying to pass off costly cultural preference that they feel extremely strongly about as free lunch.
That rant about how " if we're all going to be willfully obtuse while pretending to discuss things, then this forum is not going to be a very enjoyable place?" That wasn't me. And the quote you so disdain was a great example of bullshit hyperbole (almost identical to your own bullshit hyperbole, but from the other tribe). Hypocrite much?
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2014, 04:06:36 PM
Given that you are no longer contesting my third point, either, I'd say that, yes, I am. :showoff:
This isn't an endurance contest. You don't get to win by repeating an idiotic point n + 1 times when it's refuted only n times. Some of us do have other things to occupy our time.
QuoteI know you aren't sure how to follow an argument. Don't let it worry you; your posting style doesn't depend on that ability, it seems to me. :console:
Charming.
QuoteThat rant about how " if we're all going to be willfully obtuse while pretending to discuss things, then this forum is not going to be a very enjoyable place?" That wasn't me.
Yes, you got me, that was me. It wasn't a rant, though, it was more an expression of exasperation. Maintaining a conversation with you is a very difficult task for a number of reasons, and one of the bigger reasons is your lack of desire to communicate in good faith. If something can be misinterpreted, because it wasn't written like an Apple EUA, it will be misinterpreted by you in an attempt to make what you think is a convincing point. It actually appears extremely pathetic, not that you're able to appreciate it, but that doesn't really make it more enjoyable to me.
DG wants the plans for these magic bullets to send to his masters in Moscow.
Quote from: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
Yes, you got me, that was me. It wasn't a rant, though, it was more an expression of exasperation. Maintaining a conversation with you is a very difficult task for a number of reasons, and one of the bigger reasons is your lack of desire to communicate in good faith. If something can be misinterpreted, because it wasn't written like an Apple EUA, it will be misinterpreted by you in an attempt to make what you think is a convincing point. It actually appears extremely pathetic, not that you're able to appreciate it, but that doesn't really make it more enjoyable to me.
The Dancing Weasel dances. You say stupid shit, I call you on it, and thus it is somehow
my fault that you have to eat your words! :lol: I have misinterpreted nothing you have said; you have said silly shit about what I have said (note that i could provide several examples of rants, like the one I used, or a rant that went on about "fanatically idiotic arguments in support of gun fetishism," while you merely fling shit without providing any examples). I think I know who is intellectually dishonest in this discussion, and whose arguments and weaseling is "extremely pathetic," but go ahead and continue to pretend that it is me, because I love that shit. Once you turn to making the argument about me (and I note that Mongers is silent on this obvious
ad hom argument :lol:), I know that it is because, though you have run out of intellectual arguments, you are too stubborn to stop. Pray, continue. Add in the bit about how you were traumatized by being accused of being dishonest as a kid. That was a howler, and I don't remember exactly how it goes.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
DG wants the plans for these magic bullets to send to his masters in Moscow.
I thought they put the pistol right up to the head in Moscow.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2014, 07:49:25 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
Yes, you got me, that was me. It wasn't a rant, though, it was more an expression of exasperation. Maintaining a conversation with you is a very difficult task for a number of reasons, and one of the bigger reasons is your lack of desire to communicate in good faith. If something can be misinterpreted, because it wasn't written like an Apple EUA, it will be misinterpreted by you in an attempt to make what you think is a convincing point. It actually appears extremely pathetic, not that you're able to appreciate it, but that doesn't really make it more enjoyable to me.
The Dancing Weasel dances. You say stupid shit, I call you on it, and thus it is somehow my fault that you have to eat your words! :lol: I have misinterpreted nothing you have said; you have said silly shit about what I have said (note that i could provide several examples of rants, like the one I used, or a rant that went on about "fanatically idiotic arguments in support of gun fetishism," while you merely fling shit without providing any examples). I think I know who is intellectually dishonest in this discussion, and whose arguments and weaseling is "extremely pathetic," but go ahead and continue to pretend that it is me, because I love that shit. Once you turn to making the argument about me (and I note that Mongers is silent on this obvious ad hom argument :lol:), I know that it is because, though you have run out of intellectual arguments, you are too stubborn to stop. Pray, continue. Add in the bit about how you were traumatized by being accused of being dishonest as a kid. That was a howler, and I don't remember exactly how it goes.
Seriously, what is your problem? You've gone off half-cocked at me with no provocation, and seem very determined to keep it personal. I really don't get that.
Yes, eventually such a behavior does turn around to be a discussion about you, and generally not a very flattering one. I wonder why.
Quote from: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
Seriously, what is your problem? You've gone off half-cocked at me with no provocation, and seem very determined to keep it personal. I really don't get that.
Yes, eventually such a behavior does turn around to be a discussion about you, and generally not a very flattering one. I wonder why.
Seriously, I love watching weasels dance. It's not a problem, as long as there are weasels. Pray continue the
ad homs. I love those, as well. :cool:
What an intellectual tour de force. :cool:
Game, set and match to Grumbler. :showoff:
Quote from: grumbler on July 21, 2014, 01:40:46 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
Seriously, what is your problem? You've gone off half-cocked at me with no provocation, and seem very determined to keep it personal. I really don't get that.
Yes, eventually such a behavior does turn around to be a discussion about you, and generally not a very flattering one. I wonder why.
Seriously, I love watching weasels dance. It's not a problem, as long as there are weasels. Pray continue the ad homs. I love those, as well. :cool:
Dude, you're the one who went in guns blazing with ad homs, right from the very first post. Still not sure exactly what I've done to set you off.
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