Poll
Question:
What's the era of warfare you're most interested in?
Option 1: Neolithic
votes: 2
Option 2: Bronze Age
votes: 1
Option 3: Classical Antiquity
votes: 8
Option 4: Dark Ages
votes: 3
Option 5: Medieval
votes: 2
Option 6: Pike & Shot
votes: 1
Option 7: Line Infantry
votes: 8
Option 8: Industrial
votes: 9
Option 9: Modern
votes: 4
Option 10: Your Eurocentric List Does Not Accurately Reflect My Interests
votes: 2
What's the era of warfare you're most interested in? Define interest however you'd like; reading, watching documentaries/movies, war gaming, etc.
Age of Magic
Age of Sail.
Quote from: PRC on June 30, 2014, 11:59:13 PM
Age of Sail.
That would line up well with Line infantry wouldn't it?
What's the cutoff between Industrial and Modern?
Quote from: dps on July 01, 2014, 12:07:47 AM
What's the cutoff between Industrial and Modern?
While all eras overlap with each other at the edges I'd say that the Industrial would roughly cover 1870-1990.
The end of it.
Speaking of warfare, I don't remember Mehmed II's invasion of Wallachia turning out quite like this. :unsure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXcSCDWY0_E
How did you two even end up on Paradox, let alone here? :rolleyes:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2014, 06:01:19 AM
How did you two even end up on Paradox, let alone here? :rolleyes:
Diplo-annexation spam.
Pike and shot for leisure, modern for business.
The Great Aspie extermination.
Quote from: Brazen on July 01, 2014, 08:00:19 AM
Pike and shot for leisure, modern for business.
Hey baby. Wanna see my Wallenstein?
The older the better - but I also enjoy anything from 1905 onwards.
Quote from: Iormlund on July 01, 2014, 08:09:06 AM
The older the better - but I also enjoy anything from 1905 onwards.
Wanna see my Kongo?
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 01, 2014, 01:21:13 AM
The end of it.
Gay ass answer. And you're not even European.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 01, 2014, 08:04:24 AM
Hey baby. Wanna see my Wallenstein?
Your serpent would never reach my pan.
I'm weird since my two favorite periods are in one hand the Ancient World (those Roman upstarts...) and the industrial era in the other.
I really like the Age of Reason, there's a certain romanticism with that, but I like Modern Hypothetical--the shit that never went down...Berlin '63, SACEUR Haig* repelling the 3rd Shock in the Fulda Gap with TOW-mounted M113s and M60As in '79, Lehman's 600-ship Navy asspounding Murmansk airfields in '86, relieving the blockade of Taiwan in '25, stuff like that.
*First assclown that makes a poor reference to Ypres, Watergate or the grammatically and legiitimately correct statements of 1981 gets to root for Bannedistan in the World Cup today.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2014, 06:01:19 AM
How did you two even end up on Paradox, let alone here? :rolleyes:
My interest in history has never been on the military side.
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2014, 08:48:15 AM
I'm weird since my two favorite periods are in one hand the Ancient World (those Roman upstarts...) and the industrial era in the other.
Yeah, I'm kind of the same. I picked industrial because that's what I've been most interested in and have read the most on. I also like ancient classical periods, Romans, Greeks, etc. as I find the ways of warfare then to often be very innovative in the tactics used. Such as Caesar besieging a city in Gaul with fortifications facing towards the city, and another line facing outwards towards the enemy relief forces.
Line infantry for me. End of pike era to Napelonic era. Ranged battles, blocks of infantry moving with canon fire above their heads, cavalry charge on the flanks... oh that might be my last Empire playthrough :D
Steel warships. Let's say 1880-1945.
It's easier to name the shitty ones than a favorite one.
There is something to be said for the days when generals would actually lead their men on the field, and when neighbors would stand shoulder to shoulder giving and receiving fusillades.
I hate war.
There is no option for future warfare in that poll.
You know, post-singularity conflicts and what not.
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2014, 12:37:32 PM
There is no option for future warfare in that poll.
You know, post-singularity conflicts and what not.
Look at the picture Yi uses as an avatar. That's your post-singularity conflicts.
A serious question:
Is there a difference between Raz and Ide?
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2014, 12:42:32 PM
A serious question:
Is there a difference between Raz and Ide?
Yes. A hundred pounds and a criminal record.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2014, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 01, 2014, 12:42:32 PM
A serious question:
Is there a difference between Raz and Ide?
Yes. A hundred pounds and a criminal record.
Would you guys be willing to swap one for the other ?
No. Wouldn't do any good. I'd just gain the weight back he'd probably break some more laws.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2014, 01:09:30 PM
No. Wouldn't do any good. I'd just gain the weight back he'd probably break some more laws.
:D
Ouch, Raz. Tuck those claws in, you're ruining the drapes.
What is actually known about Neolithic and bronze age warfare probably couldn't fill up more than about 2-3 postcards.
Oddly we know a lot about Neolithic warfare. It's just that the people with neolithic organization and equipment were fighting people with muskets. Bronze age warfare is pretty sketchy; the victor of one the most famous battles is unknown.
OK Raz, very clever. I can see where all that IQ comes from.
Well, my least favorite is modern ground war, at least as fought by war-losing crybabies with GEDs, PTSD, and substance abuse problems.
Ide was too cool for the Chair Force.
The era that had the fanciest hats.
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2014, 09:01:56 PM
The era that had the fanciest hats.
Would that be Pike & Shot or Line Infantry?
Classical. Huge, dramatic numbers, major innovations in tactics and equipment every few decades, massive, dramatic personalities and hugely different societies slugging it out.
Quote from: Queequeg on July 01, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
Classical. Huge, dramatic numbers, major innovations in tactics and equipment every few decades, massive, dramatic personalities and hugely different societies slugging it out.
Doesn't that perfectly describe the Industrial era as well?
Caesar and Alexander were fighting in terra incognita. German literature on the USSR and Russia was maniacally thorough.
Quote from: Queequeg on July 02, 2014, 02:14:17 AM
Caesar and Alexander were fighting in terra incognita. German literature on the USSR and Russia was maniacally thorough.
No it wasn't. They constantly underestimated how many men the Soviets could mobilize against them. They ran into entire army groups they never knew existed!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2014, 02:20:30 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on July 02, 2014, 02:14:17 AM
Caesar and Alexander were fighting in terra incognita. German literature on the USSR and Russia was maniacally thorough.
No it wasn't. They constantly underestimated how many men the Soviets could mobilize against them. They ran into entire army groups they never knew existed!
And Caesar and Alexander were actually noted for their intellectual curiosity about their intended targets both before and during the campaign. You can't really call alexander fighting in TI when he kept Xenophon "at his bedside".
Xenofon. :ph34r:
Industrial or Modern-- whichever includes WWII. Anything earlier than "line infantry" holds little interest for me.
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2014, 09:05:29 AM
Industrial or Modern-- whichever includes WWII. Anything earlier than "line infantry" holds little interest for me.
WWI and WWII would be the epitome of the Industrial period.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2014, 09:22:01 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2014, 09:05:29 AM
Industrial or Modern-- whichever includes WWII. Anything earlier than "line infantry" holds little interest for me.
WWI and WWII would be the epitome of the Industrial period.
Sure. But I'd think there is some overlap there with the Modern period.
I am the indutsrial man.
I would have expected Medieval and Pike & Shot to have more support than that on this board. :hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
I would have expected Medieval and Pike & Shot to have more support than that on this board. :hmm:
That's 'cause you're stupid.
Quote from: Queequeg on July 01, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
Classical. Huge, dramatic numbers, major innovations in tactics and equipment every few decades, massive, dramatic personalities and hugely different societies slugging it out.
Weren't the size of classical armies somewhat overblown? Especially the further back you go?
Quote from: dps on July 02, 2014, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
I would have expected Medieval and Pike & Shot to have more support than that on this board. :hmm:
That's 'cause you're stupid.
That was rather uncalled for. :huh:
Quote from: Neil on July 02, 2014, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on July 01, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
Classical. Huge, dramatic numbers, major innovations in tactics and equipment every few decades, massive, dramatic personalities and hugely different societies slugging it out.
Weren't the size of classical armies somewhat overblown? Especially the further back you go?
Xerxes totally had a million men. And of so many obscure ethnicities!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2014, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2014, 09:01:56 PM
The era that had the fanciest hats.
Would that be Pike & Shot or Line Infantry?
They both had fabulous hats :hmm:
But line infantry era had the best hats. In fact you want to see the uniform of each unit because you just know its hats will be fantastic.
Seems like you could add some categories together like industrial and modern and dark ages and medieval. Not only that but "industrial" is confusing as it doesn't really correspond with the industrial revolution.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 03, 2014, 12:40:40 AM
Seems like you could add some categories together like industrial and modern and dark ages and medieval. Not only that but "industrial" is confusing as it doesn't really correspond with the industrial revolution.
There are vast differences between the organization, size and equipment of medieval armies compared to those of the Dark Ages.
War in 2014 is quite different from war in 1944 on quite a few levels. I don't think it's going too far to say there has been a transition to a different era.
Gay List
Ancient
Medieval
Gunpowder
Industrial
Modern
Not including all the sub categories for each.
Early Modern
Modern
Post-Modern
Cubist
Quote from: 11B4V on July 04, 2014, 01:15:03 AM
Ancient
Medieval
Gunpowder
Industrial
Modern
Not including all the sub categories for each.
Too general with only five choices. You miss out on people's true feelings like their love of line infantry and disdain for pike & shot.
What's the dividing line between Industrial and Modern for you?
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Ancient
Medieval
Gunpowder
Industrial
Modern
Not including all the sub categories for each.
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Too general with only five choices. You miss out on people's true feelings like their love of line infantry and disdain for pike & shot.
Pike & Shot- Infantry formation :rolleyes:
Line Infantry- Type of Infantry :rolleyes:
Including them is retarded with your other choices. They are in the Gunpowder Period.
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What's the dividing line between Industrial and Modern for you?
For me 1929 in theory (Triandafillov & Tukhachevsky) and 1939 in execution.
The Evolution of Operational Art
http://usacac.army.mil/Cac2/cgsc/carl/download/csipubs/OperationalArt.pdf
One of my favorite quote from this book.
QuoteA modern operation is an operation in depth. It must be planned for
the entire depth, and it must be prepared to overcome the entire depth.
Moreover, it must be anticipated that the intensity of resistance within this
depth tends to increase and grow denser from front to rear
The Nature of the Operations of Modern Armies
http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Operations-Modern-Armies-Russian/dp/0714641189/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404459322&sr=1-1
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Quote from: 11B4V on July 04, 2014, 01:04:23 AM
Gay List
I don't think that word means what you think it does. :hmm:
I'd put modern starting in WWI. This is when you see the end of linear tactics to where all infantry is essentially a skirmisher.
Quote from: garbon on July 04, 2014, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on July 04, 2014, 01:04:23 AM
Gay List
I don't think that word means what you think it does. :hmm:
At this point, what difference does it make?
WWII East Front is boring.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
WWII East Front is boring.
You are not invited to the Totenkopf summer potluck and organiztion day. You will miss all the fantastic games we have plan. :mad:
I'm going to the HJ fall festival where Canadians will be shoved into a mass grave. :)
Quote from: 11B4V on July 04, 2014, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
WWII East Front is boring.
You are not invited to the Totenkopf summer potluck and organiztion day. You will miss all the fantastic games we have plan. :mad:
:lol:
Hey Before, are you of Kraut ancestry?
Anywho, a lot of nice pics here.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?68771-Yum-Kippur-War/page10
I'm with ya Siege. Fucking South Germanics.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 04, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on July 04, 2014, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
WWII East Front is boring.
You are not invited to the Totenkopf summer potluck and organiztion day. You will miss all the fantastic games we have plan. :mad:
:lol:
He's not missing much. Here's a former Totenkopf member with a great post-war career though.
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