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Title: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 02:29:03 PM
Those gangsters are getting out of control... fucking idiots.

Last night:

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Gunshots+ring+East+Vancouver+person+injured/9920085/story.html
(this one had the daughter of a minor TV star hurt, as well as a guy who apparently was wanted on charges

This morning (in a yuppy part of town too):

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-shootings-3-shot-in-yaletown-science-world-1.2671117
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 12 hours
Post by: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 12 hours
Post by: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 02:51:15 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.

... I thought you were going to say "shoot them".
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 02:53:18 PM
Is American gun culture spreading?  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 02:53:18 PM
Is American gun culture spreading?  :ph34r:

Naw just American guns getting smuggled into Canada illegally by the drug gangs.  Another solution to our problem is gun control in the US but I am not holding my breath on that one.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 02:53:18 PM
Is American gun culture spreading?  :ph34r:

Naw just American guns getting smuggled into Canada illegally by the drug gangs.  Another solution to our problem is gun control in the US but I am not holding my breath on that one.

You will need alot of guns to force gun control on the US.  So just wait a bit I am sure enough will be smuggled up there eventually.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 02:53:18 PM
Is American gun culture spreading?  :ph34r:

Naw just American guns getting smuggled into Canada illegally by the drug gangs.  Another solution to our problem is gun control in the US but I am not holding my breath on that one.

You will need alot of guns to force gun control on the US.  So just wait a bit I am sure enough will be smuggled up there eventually.

Meh, I dont want to force such a thing.  We can implement a home grown solution.  :D


And actually what we really need from the US is more of your more enlightened citizens to escape from the US and become Canadians.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: viper37 on June 10, 2014, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.
you want to make the case to legalize cocaine & heroin?
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
And actually what we really need from the US is more of your more enlightened citizens to escape from the US and become Canadians.

Will I get free healthcare? :hmm:
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2014, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
And actually what we really need from the US is more of your more enlightened citizens to escape from the US and become Canadians.

Will I get free healthcare? :hmm:

If you become one of us?  yes.  Well and you will pay taxes.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 10, 2014, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.
you want to make the case to legalize cocaine & heroin?

sure
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 12 hours
Post by: Razgovory on June 10, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.

This eminently reasonable.  In the US we made alcohol illegal by constitutional amendment.  When the amendment was rescinded organized crime disappeared within five years.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
So the guy who got shot in the second shooting was the owner of a bike shop, shot by a disgruntled employee (who rode away on a bicycle afterwards).

Some friends who frequent the area say the owner was a jerk.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
Some friends who frequent the area say the owner was a jerk.

Legalization may have helped  :hmm:
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: derspiess on June 10, 2014, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
Some friends who frequent the area say the owner was a jerk.

OMG BLAMING THE VICTIM
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: 11B4V on June 10, 2014, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 10, 2014, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
Some friends who frequent the area say the owner was a jerk.

OMG BLAMING THE VICTIM

no shit.  :lol:
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 10, 2014, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 10, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
Some friends who frequent the area say the owner was a jerk.

OMG BLAMING THE VICTIM

Yeah, totally. The comments were stuff like "he was always rude to me" and "his dog bit [name redacted] and he didn't even apologize! Fuck that guy!"

I feel like my friends are lacking a bit in perspective on this, to be honest.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 12 hours
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 10, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 10, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.

This eminently reasonable.  In the US we made alcohol illegal by constitutional amendment.  When the amendment was rescinded organized crime disappeared within five years.

There were still plenty of illegal things to sell for high profit margins.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 12 hours
Post by: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 10, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 10, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.

This eminently reasonable.  In the US we made alcohol illegal by constitutional amendment.  When the amendment was rescinded organized crime disappeared within five years.

There were still plenty of illegal things to sell for high profit margins.

Sure but once prostitution, drugs, booze and gambling are legalized its hard to imagine what that might be.  Although there was that theft of maple syrup a while back...
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: dps on June 10, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 10, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 10, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
In our case the solution to reducing gangland shootings is pretty striaght forward.  Remove the market they are fighting over by legalizing drugs.

This eminently reasonable.  In the US we made alcohol illegal by constitutional amendment.  When the amendment was rescinded organized crime disappeared within five years.

There were still plenty of illegal things to sell for high profit margins.

Sure but once prostitution, drugs, booze and gambling are legalized its hard to imagine what that might be.  Although there was that theft of maple syrup a while back...

Not "things" to be sold, exactly, but that still leaves loansharking, smuggling, contract killings, and fencing stolen goods.  There'd still be plenty of organized crime. 

And that's without getting into the black markets that exist for things that are legal but heavily taxed.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Razgovory on June 10, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
Organized crime is not simply a wholesaler of illicit goods.  Making a good or service legal isn't going to make them go away.  If all drugs were made legal in Canada the gangsters aren't going to just shrug their shoulders and take a jobs working as grocery clerks.  They'll move on to other schemes.  For instance Americans mobsters ran a very successful operation selling gasoline and pocketing the taxes on it.  Gasoline isn't illegal, but they were still dealing in it and they were not shy about killing people over it.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 10, 2014, 07:11:01 PM
Organized crime is moving more and more into prescription drugs and medical fraud in the US.
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: viper37 on June 10, 2014, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 03:28:54 PM
sure
and where do we stop?  no such things as illegal drugs anymore, people are free to use whatever they want?
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: viper37 on June 10, 2014, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 10, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
Organized crime is not simply a wholesaler of illicit goods.  Making a good or service legal isn't going to make them go away.  If all drugs were made legal in Canada the gangsters aren't going to just shrug their shoulders and take a jobs working as grocery clerks.  They'll move on to other schemes.  For instance Americans mobsters ran a very successful operation selling gasoline and pocketing the taxes on it.  Gasoline isn't illegal, but they were still dealing in it and they were not shy about killing people over it.

Organized crime has been very active in alcohol & tobacco smuggling, two things legal, two things heavily taxed for reasons of 'morality'.

Street gangs are also very active in underage prostitution.  Should we legalize that too?
Title: Re: Two Shootings in Vancouver in 24 hours
Post by: Razgovory on June 10, 2014, 08:12:24 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 10, 2014, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2014, 03:28:54 PM
sure
and where do we stop?  no such things as illegal drugs anymore, people are free to use whatever they want?

You do what the Russians do.  You make the gangsters the government.