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Title: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 31, 2014, 10:16:50 PM
SO SOLLY SUCKAS, ROR


QuoteU.N. court orders stay on Japanese Antarctic whaling
washingtonpost.com

THE HAGUE — The International Court of Justice on Monday ordered a temporary halt to Japan's Antarctic whaling program, ruling that it is not for scientific purposes, as the Japanese government had claimed.

Australia had sued Japan at the United Nations' highest court for resolving disputes between nations in hopes of ending whaling in the icy Southern Ocean.

Reading a 12 to 4 decision by the court's 16-judge panel, Presiding Judge Peter Tomka said Japan had given no reason for its target of 850 minke whales annually and often did not meet the goal. Japan gave no defense of why it needed to kill that many for study purposes, Tomka said. And the "research" program had produced just two peer-reviewed scientific papers since 2005.

All that cast doubt on Japan's assertion that its whaling is for scientific purposes, he said.

"The court concludes that the special permits granted by Japan for the killing, taking, and treating of whales . . . are not 'for purposes of scientific research,' " Tomka said.

The court ordered Japan to halt any issuing of whaling permits at least until the program has been thoroughly revamped.

Noriyuki Shikata, a spokesman for the Japanese Foreign Affairs Ministry, told reporters that the country "regrets and is deeply disappointed" by the decision. But "as a state that respects the rule of law . . . and as a responsible member of the global community, Japan will abide by the ruling of the court," he said.

Former Australian environment minister Peter Garrett, who helped launch the suit four years ago, said he felt vindicated by the decision.

"I'm absolutely over the moon, for all those people who wanted to see the charade of scientific whaling cease once and for all," Garrett told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio. "I think [this] means without any shadow of a doubt that we won't see the taking of whales in the Southern Ocean in the name of science."

Although the decision is a major victory for Australia and environmental groups that oppose whaling on ethical grounds, it will not mean the end of whaling. Japan has a second, smaller scientific program in the northern Pacific, which also may be subject to challenge. Meanwhile, Norway and Iceland reject outright a 1986 moratorium on commercial whaling imposed by the International Whaling Commission.

Japan had argued that Australia's suit was an attempt to force its cultural norms on Japan, equivalent to Hindus demanding an international ban on the killing of cows.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ideologue on March 31, 2014, 10:19:24 PM
I hope it gets enforced by an American carrier battle group.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 31, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
Now it's time to take on the Norwegistanis and those weirdo blonde people from that volcanic island.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ideologue on March 31, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Indeed.  They also lack effective navies and can be easily brought to heel.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:25:45 PM
I'd support Iceland being hit by a CVBG.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:26:06 PM
I hate Bjork.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 31, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
I'd whisk her away to an undisclosed location for her personal safety.  One with Hot Wheels tracks.  ITS NOT OH SO QUIET NOW IS IT BITCH
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:29:59 PM
Yuk.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: garbon on March 31, 2014, 10:30:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:26:06 PM
I hate Bjork.

<_<

If you complain once more, you'll meet an army of me.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 31, 2014, 10:31:54 PM
I liked the Sugarcubes.  :)
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:33:21 PM
Weirdo.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: garbon on March 31, 2014, 10:35:31 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkkg5u_the-sugarcubes-birthday-snl-1988_music
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
Yuk.

Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: garbon on March 31, 2014, 10:39:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVHpBCjUu8M

More my speed. Scary boob tendrils!
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:42:01 PM
Bjork reminds me of the weird woman at the grocery store that hangs around in the produce section.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Monoriu on April 01, 2014, 01:50:46 AM
I have yet to try any whale meat.  I doubt it is good though.  Everything I've read indicates that it is for the sake of tradition and employment. 
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Neil on April 01, 2014, 08:12:24 AM
Hopefully they ignore this unjust decision.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Razgovory on April 01, 2014, 08:44:38 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:25:45 PM
I'd support Iceland being hit by a CVBG.

I like where this is going!
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Monoriu on April 01, 2014, 09:01:15 AM
I can't help but think that the Japanese government secretly welcomes this decision.  They now have the perfect excuse to stop this embarrassing activity that causes nothing but trouble.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ed Anger on April 01, 2014, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 01, 2014, 08:44:38 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:25:45 PM
I'd support Iceland being hit by a CVBG.

I like where this is going!

Make it 3 CVBG's. Supported by 2 Ohio class SSGN's.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Josquius on April 01, 2014, 09:38:51 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 01, 2014, 09:01:15 AM
I can't help but think that the Japanese government secretly welcomes this decision.  They now have the perfect excuse to stop this embarrassing activity that causes nothing but trouble.
Possibly so, it reduces the loss of face for backing down on whaling somewhat whilst still letting them stop subsidising a pointless industry. And saving money is top of the agenda for the current government.


I don't think I've ever eaten it either. I am curious. But I only ever worked one day a week in a primary school so never got the full assortment of disgusting quasi-food people have to eat there,.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Malthus on April 01, 2014, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 31, 2014, 10:42:01 PM
Bjork reminds me of the weird woman at the grocery store that hangs around in the produce section.

Both are targets for CdM's hot-wheels treatment?  ;)
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Legbiter on April 01, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 31, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
Now it's time to take on the Norwegistanis and those weirdo blonde people from that volcanic island.

By the blood of our people are your lands kept safe. The cetacean menace never rests.  :mad:
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: The Larch on April 01, 2014, 01:45:41 PM
This decision won't stop Japanese whaling in full, only the operations in the Anctartic Ocean. Japan will still be able to whale in the North Pacific.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 01, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
Larch, always looking at the ocean-is-half-full angle.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: The Brain on April 01, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
katmai will still be able to wail in the shower.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: The Larch on April 01, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 01, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
Larch, always looking at the ocean-is-half-full angle.

Just putting things in perspective, this is not the death blow to the Japanese whaling industry that is being reported, although it is a small victory against them.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 01, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 01, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 01, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
Larch, always looking at the ocean-is-half-full angle.

Just putting things in perspective, this is not the death blow to the Japanese whaling industry that is being reported, although it is a small victory against them.

No, it's not a death blow, but there's going to be a whole lot of Antarctic whales that aren't going to get death blows either.  And that's the point.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: The Larch on April 01, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 01, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 01, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 01, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
Larch, always looking at the ocean-is-half-full angle.

Just putting things in perspective, this is not the death blow to the Japanese whaling industry that is being reported, although it is a small victory against them.

No, it's not a death blow, but there's going to be a whole lot of Antarctic whales that aren't going to get death blows either.  And that's the point.

Oh, they're the big winners, that's for sure.  :)

The big loser is, I'd say, Japan's "scientific" reputation. Come on, they've been using the "scientific research" excuse for decades and they've only been able to produce a couple of papers of dubious value as a fig leaf?
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Neil on April 01, 2014, 07:15:43 PM
The big loser is plankton.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Jacob on April 01, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 01, 2014, 07:15:43 PM
The big loser is plankton.

Plankton has always been a loser.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: alfred russel on April 01, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 01, 2014, 06:42:52 PM

The big loser is, I'd say, Japan's "scientific" reputation. Come on, they've been using the "scientific research" excuse for decades and they've only been able to produce a couple of papers of dubious value as a fig leaf?

To be fair, they produced a lot more papers of practical value, but the court refused to consider cookbook recipes.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Legbiter on April 02, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 01, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
To be fair, they produced a lot more papers of practical value, but the court refused to consider cookbook recipes.

This one is my go-to whale recipe.

3/4 kg whale meat.
250 g onions.
75 g butter.
2 tbs tomato purée.
200 ml water.
1 1/2 tsp salt.
1/4 tsp paprika.

Melt the butter in a frying pan, slice the onion and brown it. Remove from pan and set aside. Cut the meat into slices, brown in the pan and put in a cooking pot or stew pan with the onions. Boil the water, stir in the tomato purée, salt and paprika and pour over the meat. Cook slowly for 14 to 30 minutes, or until the meat is tender.

Whale's also good when barbecued, just marinate the meat and grill over high heat, 2 minutes each side. Serve with a salad and baked potatoes  :licklips:

Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Ideologue on April 02, 2014, 06:10:07 PM
My favorite Icelandic recipe is "flash-broiled by AGM-84."

The Probe will know its own.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Legbiter on April 02, 2014, 06:32:00 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 02, 2014, 06:10:07 PM
My favorite Icelandic recipe is "flash-broiled by AGM-84."

The Probe will know its own.

You think I use too much onion? Don't knock it till you try it.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Neil on April 02, 2014, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 02, 2014, 06:10:07 PM
My favorite Icelandic recipe is "flash-broiled by AGM-84."

The Probe will know its own.
See, it's this sort of thing that ensures that your political programme is utterly hopeless.
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Monoriu on April 02, 2014, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 02, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 01, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
To be fair, they produced a lot more papers of practical value, but the court refused to consider cookbook recipes.

This one is my go-to whale recipe.

3/4 kg whale meat.
250 g onions.
75 g butter.
2 tbs tomato purée.
200 ml water.
1 1/2 tsp salt.
1/4 tsp paprika.

Melt the butter in a frying pan, slice the onion and brown it. Remove from pan and set aside. Cut the meat into slices, brown in the pan and put in a cooking pot or stew pan with the onions. Boil the water, stir in the tomato purée, salt and paprika and pour over the meat. Cook slowly for 14 to 30 minutes, or until the meat is tender.

Whale's also good when barbecued, just marinate the meat and grill over high heat, 2 minutes each side. Serve with a salad and baked potatoes  :licklips:

I'd like to try some one day.  Though my bet is the cod fish or tuna will be better. 
Title: Re: Harford 1, Japan Nil
Post by: Legbiter on April 18, 2014, 12:43:49 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27079462 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27079462)

And the Steadfast Vigil continues.  :cthulu: