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Title: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Syt on February 22, 2014, 02:39:19 AM
According to the Daily Mail at least. :P

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562584/The-Viking-Apocalypse-Norse-myth-predicts-world-end-Saturday.html

QuoteAre you ready for the Viking Apocalypse? Norse myth predicts world will end this Saturday

* Norse mythology states the world will end this Saturday, February 22
* Ragnarok is last battle between Viking gods, causing Earth to split open
* After, the Earth will be restored and inhabited by the surviving gods

We've survived the Mayan apocalypse and Y2K, but be afraid – the end of the world is coming...again.

This time it's the Viking apocalypse that is allegedly set to destroy Earth, with Norse mythology claiming the planet will split open and unleash the inhabitants of Hel on February 22.
According to the Vikings, Ragnarok is a series of events including the final predicted battle that results in the death of a number of major gods, the occurrence of various natural disasters and the subsequent submersion of the world in water.

The wolf Fenrir is also predicted to break out of his prison, the snake Jormungand will rise out of the sea and the dragon of the underworld will resurface on Earth to face the dead heroes of Valhalla – who, of course, have descended from heaven to fight them.

Legend has it the sound of the horn will call the sons of the god Odin and the heroes to the battlefield, before Odin and other 'creator gods' will be killed by Fenrir.
The Vikings believe the Ragnarok is preceded by the 'winter of winters', where three freezing winters would follow each other with no summers in between.
All morality would disappear and fights would break out all over the world, signalling the beginning of the end.
The wolf Skoll would then devour the sun, and his brother Hati would eat the moon, causing stars to fall out of the sky and the Earth subjected to tremendous earthquakes.
Should Saturday be the day, the world will then be restored and will be inhabited by the surviving gods and just two human survivors - with the Earth sinking into the sea and paving the way for a new utopian land with endless supplies.
Another part of the legend claims that the Midgard Serpent, named Jormungand, shall free itself from its tail and rise up from the ocean, with believers claiming this had already occurred when two giant fish washed up on the coast of California last year.
Ragnarok, which is literally translated to mean 'Fate or Twilight of the Gods' or 'Final Destiny of the Gods' is based on a 13th century poem written by Snorri Sturluson.
Modern day Vikings warriors have already begun preparing for the apocalypse by converging on the UK town of York to celebrate the Jorvik festival – an excuse for grown men to dress up and swing replica swords at each other.
The festival's finale on Saturday will see about 300 warriors march through the city, before rival tribes participate in an 'ultimate battle'.
The Jorvik Viking Centre predicted that Ragnarok would occur on 22 February because this is the end of the feast of Jolablot.
Traditionally, the Viking festival of Jolablot marked the end of the winter.

While not a scientific conclusion, they claim that Vikings loved to feast and wouldn't want to miss this event.
And if nothing happens on Saturday, Ragnarok will join a list of hundreds of other failed predictions for the end of the world, including the Mayan apocalypse on December 21, 2012 – which convinced many the Earth would be destroyed by an asteroid – and Y2K on January 1, 2000.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2014, 02:45:41 AM
Still better than Slate.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Viking on February 22, 2014, 07:59:59 AM
It's an old word and it certainly doesn't mean twilight of the gods, it's an event where there is a change of gods. If it means anything it means magical consequence. In icelandic the word for logic translates to "science of consequences) or rökfrædi. The first half, might mean magic, or something else. In anycase, Ragnarök are the consequences of the actions of the gods (primarily Loki).

The very idea of Ragnarök actually manifests very late in the pagan period, after contact with christianity. The death of a god leading to a paradise with eternal life probably seemed pretty tempting, which is precisely what Ragnarök are. Evil in the form of the Fenriswolf and Midgardsworm are destroyed, at the cost of their own life by odin and thor respectively with finally the harbinger of the new generation of gods, vidar, with his boots, stomping out evil from the world. The New Gods, including Vidar, Hod, Ull etc. were primarily worshiped in sweden after christianity had taken over norway and denmark but had yet to succeed in sweden.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2014, 08:13:07 AM
I wasn't aware the Norse put a date on it.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2014, 08:15:24 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 22, 2014, 08:13:07 AM
I wasn't aware the Norse put a date on it.

You still aren't. :(
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Viking on February 22, 2014, 09:01:55 AM
Jólablót is Christmas not valentines day. Late Feb is Dísablót, maidens worship/sacrifice. It's like norse valentines day. 

this is all bs, 2014 has no significance.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on February 22, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Isnt Norse myth cyclical?
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Viking on February 22, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 22, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Isnt Norse myth cyclical?

nope, linear, there was a creation and then history happened
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Razgovory on February 22, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Assuming viking is right (and I see no reason to doubt him), I wonder where the dailymail came up with this story.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2014, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 22, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Assuming viking is right (and I see no reason to doubt him), I wonder where the dailymail came up with this story.

QuoteThe Jorvik Viking Centre
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Queequeg on February 23, 2014, 12:51:07 AM
Isn't Jorvik York?
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: garbon on February 23, 2014, 12:57:32 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 23, 2014, 12:51:07 AM
Isn't Jorvik York?

Why yes.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Queequeg on February 23, 2014, 12:59:30 AM
So why is there a Viking Cultural Center there? 
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: garbon on February 23, 2014, 01:35:43 AM
Seems to make sense. After all, there would be Viking artifacts.

I'll be in York this summer. I can check it out for you.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: The Brain on February 23, 2014, 02:36:02 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 23, 2014, 12:59:30 AM
So why is there a Viking Cultural Center there?

Elaborate.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Viking on February 23, 2014, 03:29:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 22, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Assuming viking is right (and I see no reason to doubt him), I wonder where the dailymail came up with this story.

It's the Daily Mail, The Razgovory of English Newspapers.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 23, 2014, 03:34:56 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 22, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 22, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Isnt Norse myth cyclical?

nope, linear, there was a creation and then history happened

And Ragnarok will destroy everything and then there will be another creation. Sounds pretty cyclical to me.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Viking on February 23, 2014, 03:53:20 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 03:34:56 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 22, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 22, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Isnt Norse myth cyclical?

nope, linear, there was a creation and then history happened

And Ragnarok will destroy everything and then there will be another creation. Sounds pretty cyclical to me.
It's not a new creation. It's a new generation ruling Asgard.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Syt on February 23, 2014, 04:14:49 AM
Like the 1980s Transformers cartoon movie.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: The Brain on February 23, 2014, 04:23:12 AM
It's the choice of a new generation.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Viking on February 23, 2014, 08:10:01 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 23, 2014, 04:14:49 AM
Like the 1980s Transformers cartoon movie.

With Vidar as Hot-Rod.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Queequeg on February 23, 2014, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2014, 02:36:02 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 23, 2014, 12:59:30 AM
So why is there a Viking Cultural Center there?

Elaborate.
I was sleepy. I guess it makes sense, but you'd figure the best Viking museums would be in Oslo, Copenhagen or Aarhus or someplace.
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: garbon on February 23, 2014, 11:07:11 AM
Who said it was the best Viking museum? :unsure:
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Sheilbh on February 23, 2014, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 23, 2014, 12:59:30 AM
So why is there a Viking Cultural Center there?
Same reason there's Roman stuff in Bath? :mellow:

The really puzzling one is the Egyptian and Mummies Museum in Dorchester :P

Jorvik's actually a bit like an educational themepark rather than anything serious. I doubt it'd satisfy garb:
http://jorvik-viking-centre.co.uk/

I went when I was about 10-11 on a school trip to York. It was amazing :lol:
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Razgovory on February 23, 2014, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 23, 2014, 03:29:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 22, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Assuming viking is right (and I see no reason to doubt him), I wonder where the dailymail came up with this story.

It's the Daily Mail, The Razgovory of English Newspapers.

See what I must deal with here?  Unprovoked attacks. :(
Title: Re: Happy Ragnarök!
Post by: Ed Anger on February 23, 2014, 11:56:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 23, 2014, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 23, 2014, 03:29:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 22, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Assuming viking is right (and I see no reason to doubt him), I wonder where the dailymail came up with this story.

It's the Daily Mail, The Razgovory of English Newspapers.

See what I must deal with here?  Unprovoked attacks. :(

Don't tolerate his micro-aggressions. Counterattack!