Looks like CdM has fall back position in Salt Lake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LY_k8J2rE-Q
Someone is getting too big for his britches. <_<
Motherfucking right, Tim!
Is Utah sure that it's an ultra conservative state?
First the mayor of Salt Lake City starts performing gay marriages, and next they bend over backwards to help homeless people instead of yelling at them to stop failing and try harder :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on February 10, 2014, 11:22:10 AM
Is Utah sure that it's an ultra conservative state?
First the mayor of Salt Lake City starts performing gay marriages, and next they bend over backwards to help homeless people instead of yelling at them to stop failing and try harder :hmm:
They are ultra-conservative but they are really nice to everybody. That is how Mormons roll.
Quote from: Caliga on February 10, 2014, 11:22:10 AM
Is Utah sure that it's an ultra conservative state?
First the mayor of Salt Lake City starts performing gay marriages, and next they bend over backwards to help homeless people instead of yelling at them to stop failing and try harder :hmm:
They ran the number and it averages 5,000 dollars cheaper to do it this way.
Leaving aside the issue of The Young Turk's journalistic credentials, the purported savings come from a comparison of average spending on emergency room visits and jail time for a homeless person ($16,000) versus the cost of an apartment and regular visits from a social worker and a case worker ($11,000).
Do homeless people stop going to the ER and committing crime once they have an abode?
Probably less inclined.
But I am also sure some of the individual mental illness cases would contrast rather strikingly that average cost.
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2014, 11:09:23 AM
Someone is getting too big for his britches. <_<
No kidding, right? He doesn't even do it with cunty panache, either.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 10, 2014, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2014, 11:09:23 AM
Someone is getting too big for his britches. <_<
No kidding, right? He doesn't even do it with cunty panache, either.
This shit be all natural and it can't be taught.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
Leaving aside the issue of The Young Turk's journalistic credentials, the purported savings come from a comparison of average spending on emergency room visits and jail time for a homeless person ($16,000) versus the cost of an apartment and regular visits from a social worker and a case worker ($11,000).
Do homeless people stop going to the ER and committing crime once they have an abode?
I image people suffer less from exposure and disease when they can live in a house. Don't know about jail.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 11, 2014, 12:00:33 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 10, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
Leaving aside the issue of The Young Turk's journalistic credentials, the purported savings come from a comparison of average spending on emergency room visits and jail time for a homeless person ($16,000) versus the cost of an apartment and regular visits from a social worker and a case worker ($11,000).
Do homeless people stop going to the ER and committing crime once they have an abode?
I image people suffer less from exposure and disease when they can live in a house. Don't know about jail.
If only Paul Atreidies were here.
Won't they need to spend a ton on meds for those with bipolar or schizophrenia? Otherwise they'll just be sticking messed up people into soon to be destroyed houses?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 11, 2014, 08:34:45 AM
If only Paul Atreidies were here.
Won't they need to spend a ton on meds for those with bipolar or schizophrenia? Otherwise they'll just be sticking messed up people into soon to be destroyed houses?
Can't speak for schizophrenia (wanna help out, Raz, since you're fairly close on the spectrum?), but I'm bipolar and my annual treatment cost is $528 a year between office visits and medication, of which I pay $168. Most of the bipolar disorder medications are generic and heavily subsidized into the "go to Walmart and pick up a 30-day supply for $4" category.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 11, 2014, 08:49:25 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 11, 2014, 08:34:45 AM
If only Paul Atreidies were here.
Won't they need to spend a ton on meds for those with bipolar or schizophrenia? Otherwise they'll just be sticking messed up people into soon to be destroyed houses?
Can't speak for schizophrenia (wanna help out, Raz, since you're fairly close on the spectrum?), but I'm bipolar and my annual treatment cost is $528 a year between office visits and medication, of which I pay $168. Most of the bipolar disorder medications are generic and heavily subsidized into the "go to Walmart and pick up a 30-day supply for $4" category.
Yeah, I get my meds cheap, so I imagine that meds are already covered. And people are probably more likely to take their meds if they have a place to store them.
I'm very dubious about elimating homelessness. Surely a not insubstantial number of them choose to be homeless whilst others are too crazy to accept this house, as it is obviously a trap.
Quote from: Tyr on February 11, 2014, 09:31:08 AM
I'm very dubious about elimating homelessness. Surely a not insubstantial number of them choose to be homeless whilst others are too crazy to accept this house, as it is obviously a trap.
That's a very cynical view. Besides part of the insanity is because they have no support/ability to take meds. I also doubt that most homeless people are outside because they think it is better than living indoors.
Quote from: Tyr on February 11, 2014, 09:31:08 AM
I'm very dubious about elimating homelessness. Surely a not insubstantial number of them choose to be homeless whilst others are too crazy to accept this house, as it is obviously a trap.
They've already cut down homelessness by 3/4ths, that's a success in my book.
Quote from: garbon on February 11, 2014, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: Tyr on February 11, 2014, 09:31:08 AM
I'm very dubious about elimating homelessness. Surely a not insubstantial number of them choose to be homeless whilst others are too crazy to accept this house, as it is obviously a trap.
That's a very cynical view. Besides part of the insanity is because they have no support/ability to take meds. I also doubt that most homeless people are outside because they think it is better than living indoors.
Agree. Though news reporters can always find the "I love living free!" homeless crowd, they are likely the exception.
And though while they covered mental illness, they kinda skirted around drug/alcohol addiction. In many cases, that will be a much tougher bear to handle than even mental illness. What happens when a free house become a crack/meth/whatever house too?
If you pass out drunk/high in the street or a park or a homeless shelter, the cops and paramedics inevitably show up, take you to the ER to be checked out, take you to jail to cite you for trespassing and public intoxication, and wait for it to happen again on Thursday.
If you pass out drunk/high on your living room floor, well... just ask Siege what happens, I guess.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 11, 2014, 10:15:04 AM
Agree. Though news reporters can always find the "I love living free!" homeless crowd, they are likely the exception.
And though while they covered mental illness, they kinda skirted around drug/alcohol addiction. In many cases, that will be a much tougher bear to handle than even mental illness. What happens when a free house become a crack/meth/whatever house too?
I'd assume that's a less-publicized reason for the social worker/case manager- making sure that doesn't happen.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 11, 2014, 10:41:36 AM
If you pass out drunk/high on your living room floor, well... just ask Siege what happens, I guess.
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