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Title: US dollar has no more value
Post by: viper37 on June 02, 2009, 12:21:39 PM
The end is near (http://www.businessinsider.com/cocaine-dealers-demand-to-be-paid-in-gold-2009-6).
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Paul Mylchreest, of the Thunder Road Report, notes that a "very suspicious" 174 tonnes of gold compounds were exported to the Dominican Republican – "that well known hub of the world gold trade". Maybe these gold compounds really are used in gold paint and that artist who normally puts colourful tarpaulins around islands and buildings has painted the whole of the Dominican Republic gold," Mylchreest ponders. "I'll go and check Google Earth."
But, he reckons the transformation of the Dominican Republic into a key staging post in the cocaine trade between South America and the US, is a far more likely.
"Wouldn't it be interesting if drug smugglers have seen the writing on the wall for the paper dollar and will now only accept payment in gold bullion?"
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Berkut on June 02, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
Yeah, that would be terribly interesting.

I think he might be onto something - perhaps drug dealers are the best evaluators of currency values.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 02, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
They do have a keen sense of survival.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: The Minsky Moment on June 02, 2009, 04:54:17 PM
People who want gold as an investment buy gold, gold shares, gold ETFs, even gold jewelry.  But not gold compounds - those are chemical compounds that have industrial, commercial or pharmaceutical uses.

According to USGS data, in 2006 the United States (alone) exported 1.46 million kilograms of gold compounds, of which over 100,000 kg went to the DR.  It appears from the historical data, that the DR has long been a heavy importer of gold compounds from the US - probably because they lack domestic production and transport costs from the US are relatively low compared with say Australia or South Africa.

The authors mentioned are both gold bugs who run newsletters promoting investing in gold.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Siege on June 02, 2009, 04:57:23 PM
There is always someone that comes and stop the fun with facts.

Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: crazy canuck on June 02, 2009, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 02, 2009, 04:57:23 PM
There is always someone that comes and stop the fun with facts.

You mean like the time JR pointed out that a famous Jewish Philosopher wrote in Arabic?
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: alfred russel on June 02, 2009, 05:06:56 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 02, 2009, 04:57:23 PM
There is always someone that comes and stop the fun with facts.

And it is usually JR.  :mad:
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: The Minsky Moment on June 02, 2009, 05:24:56 PM
If you guys want to go for a few more pages imagining fast-living drug dealers lugging around tons of chemicals around the barrios and secret airstrips of the DR, and tipping nightclub owners and bribing government officials with chloroauric acid, by all means, knock yourself out.

There are good reasons why drug dealers prefer cash.  If they didn't care for dollars I suppose they could always demand euros.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on June 02, 2009, 05:37:46 PM
I had heard that the 500 Euro note was the note of choice for the wealthier drug dealer  :huh:

very portable.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: PDH on June 02, 2009, 06:43:19 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 02, 2009, 05:37:46 PM
I had heard that the 500 Euro note was the note of choice for the wealthier drug dealer  :huh:

very portable.
Maybe in third world shitholes like Belgium, sure - we are talking about the Caribbean here..
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 02, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 02, 2009, 05:37:46 PM
I had heard that the 500 Euro note was the note of choice for the wealthier drug dealer  :huh:

very portable.
Isn't that because of the size of the denomination though? If the US was printing lots of $500 bills it might be different.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Barrister on June 02, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 02, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 02, 2009, 05:37:46 PM
I had heard that the 500 Euro note was the note of choice for the wealthier drug dealer  :huh:

very portable.
Isn't that because of the size of the denomination though? If the US was printing lots of $500 bills it might be different.

Having seen the size of the 50s the 500 Euro note must be enormous. :o
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 02, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 02, 2009, 04:54:17 PM

The authors mentioned are both gold bugs who run newsletters promoting investing in gold.

Yep. I was going to mention that part.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 02, 2009, 09:53:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 02, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
Having seen the size of the 50s the 500 Euro note must be enormous. :o

Then wouldn't it make more sense just to hijack the Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes checks? The giant ones that Ed McMahon used to deliver? :D
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Berkut on June 02, 2009, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 02, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 02, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 02, 2009, 05:37:46 PM
I had heard that the 500 Euro note was the note of choice for the wealthier drug dealer  :huh:

very portable.
Isn't that because of the size of the denomination though? If the US was printing lots of $500 bills it might be different.

Having seen the size of the 50s the 500 Euro note must be enormous. :o

That is why it is so popular - doubles as a blanket when you are stuck out in the jungle waiting for the piper club to land.
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on June 03, 2009, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 02, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 02, 2009, 05:37:46 PM
I had heard that the 500 Euro note was the note of choice for the wealthier drug dealer  :huh:

very portable.
Isn't that because of the size of the denomination though? If the US was printing lots of $500 bills it might be different.

Exactly so. If you want to physically move $10m in cash then the $100 limit becomes difficult, 100,000 bills take up quite a lot of space. OTOH what normal person buys a beer with a 500 euro note?
Title: Re: US dollar has no more value
Post by: Alatriste on June 03, 2009, 12:43:42 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 02, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
Having seen the size of the 50s the 500 Euro note must be enormous. :o

They are only marginally bigger, actually

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmindmillion.com%2FMONEY%2Fimages%2Feuro-notes-white-background.jpg&hash=00fb0b0fcf87c0559a341158c480a3dd8170188b)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes

50 Euros notes are 14 x 7.7 cm, 500 Euros notes are 16 x 8.2, i.e. 2 cm longer and 0.5 wider. The difference is enough to make sorting notes easy, but 500s are hardly blankets (they make you feel warm and fuzzy, but that's psychosomatic).