CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE BARACK IS COOKING?QuoteIran protesters hold largest anti-US rally in years
November 4, 2013 | 6:13AM ET
Opponents of thawing relations with US say they will not back down, opening prospect of deeper internal rifts
Tens of thousands of demonstrators packed the streets Monday outside the former U.S. Embassy in Tehran in the biggest anti-American rally in years, a show of support for hardline opponents of President Hassan Rouhani's historic outreach to Washington.
Such protests occur every year to mark the anniversary of the 1979 seizure of the embassy by following the Islamic Revolution. But the latest demonstration was the largest in years after calls by groups, including the powerful Revolutionary Guard, for a major showing. Protestors held anti-U.S. signs and shouted "Death to America," a standard refrain that some moderate Rouhani backers have recently criticized.
The crowds also sent a message to Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has cautiously backed Rouhani's overtures to the U.S. and efforts to end the impasse with the West over Tehran's nuclear program.
Opponents of thawing relations with the U.S. say they will not back down, opening the prospect of deeper internal rifts that could put pressure on Khamenei to reconsider his backing of Rouhani's groundbreaking exchanges with the U.S.
In September, Rouhani accepted a call from President Barack Obama following the United Nations General Assembly in New York, where Secretary of State John Kerry held talks with Iran's foreign minister. Ties between the two countries were severed in 1979 when, ten months after the fall of the U.S.-allied shah, students stormed the U.S. embassy, taking hostage 52 staff for 444 days. There have been no U.S.-Iranian diplomatic relations since.
Critics of U.S.-Iran dialogue made their views immediately, hurling insults and eggs at Rouhani's entourage upon their return from New York. Late last month, huge banners appeared around Tehran depicting the U.S. as a sinister and deceitful adversary that seeks to weaken Iran. Tehran officials ordered the signs removed, but they appeared in poster form at the demonstration Monday outside the former embassy compound.
Protesters also stomped on images of Obama and the U.S. flag. Others carried well-known banners reading "We trample America under our feet" and "The U.S. is the Great Satan." One image showed Obama in a wrestling uniform with Star of David earrings, symbolizing Israel.
On Sunday, Khamenei appeared to chide hard-liners by denouncing any attempts to undermine Iran's nuclear negotiators. Talks with world powers are scheduled to resume Thursday in Geneva.
Diplomats "are on a difficult mission and nobody should weaken those who are on assignment," said Khamenei, according to the official IRNA news agency.
Iran seeks to have painful economic sanctions eased in exchange for concessions in its nuclear program. The West fears Iran's uranium-enrichment program could eventually produce weapons-grade material. Iran insists it only seeks reactors for energy and medical applications, but has not allowed international inspectors to visit its sites.
Outside the former embassy's brick walls – covered with anti-U.S. murals – students carried a model of a centrifuge used in uranium enrichment. A slogan on it read: "Result of resistance against sanctions: 18,000 active centrifuges in Iran."
Another banner quoted Khamenei: "The aim of sanctions is to make the Iranian nation desperate."
Khamenei's backing of Rouhani also puts him in an unfamiliar spot of having to reassure hard-liners he has not abandoned their views. Khamenei on Sunday praised the Iranian students who stormed the U.S. Embassy in 1979.
"Thirty years ago, our young people called the U.S. Embassy a 'den of spies'...It means our young people were 30 years ahead of their time," he said, a reference to a series of reports of U.S. eavesdropping on foreign leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Unfortunately I couldn't find an image of that poster; this is the best I could do:
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Why is the Swastika a bad symbol to Holocaust deniers? :unsure:
Note to self: do not attend Revolutionary Guard demonstrations in the hope of picking up hotties.
Reminds me more than a little of the fugs at the Hezbollah demos a few years back.
Why does the average Iranian care that much? I can't summon particularly strong feelings about Iran. :unsure:
Or did the Guard just bus them in?
Quote from: Savonarola on November 04, 2013, 11:48:38 AM
Why is the Swastika a bad symbol to Holocaust deniers? :unsure:
:huh: The Nazis didn't kill Jews.
Quote from: The Brain on November 04, 2013, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on November 04, 2013, 11:48:38 AM
Why is the Swastika a bad symbol to Holocaust deniers? :unsure:
:huh: The Nazis didn't kill Jews.
:lol:
Okay, you got me there.
Quote from: garbon on November 04, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
Why does the average Iranian care that much? I can't summon particularly strong feelings about Iran. :unsure:
Or did the Guard just bus them in?
They live in an islamist theocracy and you don't.
Quote from: garbon on November 04, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
Why does the average Iranian care that much? I can't summon particularly strong feelings about Iran. :unsure:
Or did the Guard just bus them in?
:unsure: What makes you think the average Iranian cares that much? The actions of ten thousand people doesn't say much about the degree to which the other 77, 800,000 or so people there care.
Quote from: garbon on November 04, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
Why does the average Iranian care that much? I can't summon particularly strong feelings about Iran. :unsure:
Or did the Guard just bus them in?
I'm guessing they bussed in people who happen to have a personal investment (e.g. are employed by, have patrons in, or desire to obtain either one) in the parts of the power structure that finds it politically useful to make an anti-US demonstration right now.
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2013, 02:23:10 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 04, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
Why does the average Iranian care that much? I can't summon particularly strong feelings about Iran. :unsure:
Or did the Guard just bus them in?
I'm guessing they bussed in people who happen to have a personal investment (e.g. are employed by, have patrons in, or desire to obtain either one) in the parts of the power structure that finds it politically useful to make an anti-US demonstration right now.
Probably. The Brain's joke was pretty clever.
Good way to boost local business' for a day or two. People bought lunch, booked hotels, etc. Also made Iran a destination point for Nazi types from Europe.
That star of david swastika looks... interesting.
Quote from: lustindarkness on November 04, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
That star of david swastika looks... interesting.
Raelians have been holding it down for years...
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Perhaps the Iranians are saying that the US is composed of secret Raelians? :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on November 04, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
Perhaps the Iranians are saying that the US is composed of secret Raelians? :hmm:
Secret?
Quote from: garbon on November 04, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
Why does the average Iranian care that much? I can't summon particularly strong feelings about Iran. :unsure:
Or did the Guard just bus them in?
I would assume there might be some negative consequences for not attending.
I mean, that's the way ditactorships operate.
Though Iran seems to do a better job than most hiding the puppet wires.
Not necessarily. A lot of people need to blame their shit lives on someone or something. Given free flags to burn I'm sure they don't have to force people to do anything.
Quote from: grumbler on November 04, 2013, 02:20:27 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 04, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
Why does the average Iranian care that much? I can't summon particularly strong feelings about Iran. :unsure:
Or did the Guard just bus them in?
:unsure: What makes you think the average Iranian cares that much? The actions of ten thousand people doesn't say much about the degree to which the other 77, 800,000 or so people there care.
Well presumably I'm not average either. :P
Quote from: garbon on November 04, 2013, 06:25:29 PM
Well presumably I'm not average either. :P
And the average Iranian likes America and Americans, and wishes they could visit. That's why their new government is reversing course in the nuclear project.
there are still lots of fundies in important government positions in Iran, and a small minority of the people who are still sold on fundamentalist Islam, so you will see the occasional demonstration when the fundies want to trot out some hillbillies with signs, but that isn't popular in Tehran and these aren't average Iranians in the pictures.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 04, 2013, 11:55:56 AM
Note to self: do not attend Revolutionary Guard demonstrations in the hope of picking up hotties.
Reminds me more than a little of the fugs at the Hezbollah demos a few years back.
That's because all the hot Iranian chicks come from good upper class stock and live the lives of foreign universities, ski resorts in the Alborz mountains and summer homes on the Caspian.
The ugly ones get left behind, all grumpy and Islamic and shit.
Am I average?
I loved this photo from after the demonstration. People waiting for a taxi with some homemade centrifuges:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYOf4ymCUAAsCIU.jpg)