As sourced by The Atlantic:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500
QuoteGreat just what the world needs, another freaking MP3 player. Go Steve! Where's the Newton?!
QuoteSounds very revolutionary to me. :mad:
hey - heres an idea Apple - rather than enter the world of gimmicks and toys, why dont you spend a little more time sorting out your pathetically expensive and crap server line up?
or are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm? :mad:
QuoteI still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently!
Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!
QuoteIt's now at the online Apple Store!
$400 for an Mp3 Player!
I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional.
Uuhh Steve, can I have a PDA now?
[Edited by elitemacor on 10-23-2001 at 02:33 PM]
Quotetrully revolutionary MY ASSSS!
http://www.americas.creative.com/pro...MainCategory=2
Creative NOMAD® Jukebox player
Capacity: 20GB hard drive (up to 340 hours at 128kbps MP3 encoding)
GO APPLEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Quotebummer
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/electronics/5784.shtml
20 gig drive and its only $349
sorry apple, yer cool styling and faster transfer rate only count for so much
btw... for $100 bucks more you can buy an imac. Better bring that price down or you wont sell any of these babies
QuoteAny way you spin this it is:
1. Not revolutionary. Big capacity mp3 players already exist. With Creative Labs' entrance into the firewire arena, future nomads will have similar specs and better prices.
2. A bad fit. This product is outside Apple's core competancy - computing devices. When many are calling for a pda, they release an MP3 player.
3. Without a future. This Christmas you will see mp3 players be commoditized. Meaning that the players from Korea will be way less expensive tha iPod. The real money is in DRM and distribution (ala Real Musicnet). If Apple were smart they would be focusing on high gross revenue from services rather than a playback device.
Forums .... Forums never change.
and I have one!
:cool:
As anti-Apple as I've been at times, I can remember actually thinking it would be a successful product-- at least, once they made it PC-compatible.
Quoteor are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm?
This guy might be on to something there.
I never bought one. No iPhone or iPad either. :showoff:
I can hold my iPad with my left hand and jerk off with the right.
Most of the those comments make good points.
The original iPod was a suboptimal device in terms of price and performance. It didn't sell a ton either.
The ipod really didn't hit its stride until around the 4th gen or so.
The other thing to keep in mind is that Apple's ultimate success was due in significant part to the catastrophic failure of the recording industry to get its act together. Granted that wasn't entirely a suprising development, but things could have easily evolved in another direction.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 23, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
Most of the those comments make good points.
The original iPod was a suboptimal device in terms of price and performance. It didn't sell a ton either.
The ipod really didn't hit its stride until around the 4th gen or so.
The other thing to keep in mind is that Apple's ultimate success was due in significant part to the catastrophic failure of the recording industry to get its act together. Granted that wasn't entirely a suprising development, but things could have easily evolved in another direction.
What made Apple successful was the iPod / iTunes store combo. Record companies only licensed their music to iTunes because it was limited to Mac users, a fairly small market at the time.
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 23, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
Most of the those comments make good points.
The original iPod was a suboptimal device in terms of price and performance. It didn't sell a ton either.
The ipod really didn't hit its stride until around the 4th gen or so.
The other thing to keep in mind is that Apple's ultimate success was due in significant part to the catastrophic failure of the recording industry to get its act together. Granted that wasn't entirely a suprising development, but things could have easily evolved in another direction.
What made Apple successful was the iPod / iTunes store combo. Record companies only licensed their music to iTunes because it was limited to Mac users, a fairly small market at the time.
:hmm:
I thought the iTunes store was available for windows, pretty shortly after its mac launch. Wiki-check says about 5-6 months after.
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 23, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
Most of the those comments make good points.
The original iPod was a suboptimal device in terms of price and performance. It didn't sell a ton either.
The ipod really didn't hit its stride until around the 4th gen or so.
The other thing to keep in mind is that Apple's ultimate success was due in significant part to the catastrophic failure of the recording industry to get its act together. Granted that wasn't entirely a suprising development, but things could have easily evolved in another direction.
What made Apple successful was the iPod / iTunes store combo. Record companies only licensed their music to iTunes because it was limited to Mac users, a fairly small market at the time.
:hmm:
I thought the iTunes store was available for windows, pretty shortly after its mac launch. Wiki-check says about 5-6 months after.
But that's the point - when it opened (and more importantly, when Apple negotiated licensing rights) it was Mac-only. However their contracts didn't specify that it would always remain Mac-only...
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2013, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 23, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
Most of the those comments make good points.
The original iPod was a suboptimal device in terms of price and performance. It didn't sell a ton either.
The ipod really didn't hit its stride until around the 4th gen or so.
The other thing to keep in mind is that Apple's ultimate success was due in significant part to the catastrophic failure of the recording industry to get its act together. Granted that wasn't entirely a suprising development, but things could have easily evolved in another direction.
What made Apple successful was the iPod / iTunes store combo. Record companies only licensed their music to iTunes because it was limited to Mac users, a fairly small market at the time.
:hmm:
I thought the iTunes store was available for windows, pretty shortly after its mac launch. Wiki-check says about 5-6 months after.
But that's the point - when it opened (and more importantly, when Apple negotiated licensing rights) it was Mac-only. However their contracts didn't specify that it would always remain Mac-only...
I'll defer to you on this but it seems like those would have been rather silly negotiations if there had been no consideration to what might happen. Particularly given that iPods had been functional with Windows since about a year before the iTunes store debuted.
Yeah. But the fact that they were negotiations by the music industry makes it sound more plausible :P
Still don't own one.
I remember when the iPad came out. Again, failure was widely predicted. As I recall, people were complaining that the device name sounded like something used for menstrual sanitation. :D
Quote from: Malthus on October 23, 2013, 03:32:30 PM
I remember when the iPad came out. Again, failure was widely predicted. As I recall, people were complaining that the device name sounded like something used for menstrual sanitation. :D
I don't recall anyone thinking it would flop (though there were sani pad jokes a-plenty).
Not sure BB's thesis that Jobs pulled the wool over the music industries eyes holds up to scrutiny.
Itunes was a huge success well before the introduction of the IPod. Windows systems could run it around the time the first IPod was released. Throughout that time and after Apple continued to enter into licencing agreements with various content providers.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 23, 2013, 03:49:01 PM
Not sure BB's thesis that Jobs pulled the wool over the music industries eyes holds up to scrutiny.
Itunes was a huge success well before the introduction of the IPod. Windows systems could run it around the time the first IPod was released. Throughout that time and after Apple continued to enter into licencing agreements with various content providers.
iTunes store didn't exist until the 3rd gen of iPods if wiki is to be trusted.
And IIRC the first gen iPod was not Windows compatible at all.
I still don't really get the appeal of the iPad or any other tablet :mellow:
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2013, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 23, 2013, 03:32:30 PM
I remember when the iPad came out. Again, failure was widely predicted. As I recall, people were complaining that the device name sounded like something used for menstrual sanitation. :D
I don't recall anyone thinking it would flop (though there were sani pad jokes a-plenty).
My recollection was that people thought it fell between two stools - not convenient to the pocket like an iPod and no keyboard/screen combo like a laptop.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 23, 2013, 04:04:48 PM
I still don't really get the appeal of the iPad or any other tablet :mellow:
I didn't either but my kindle fire has grown on me. I like how cheap books are often priced. And makes for easing ready while standing on subway train as you only need one hand to flip pages.
Much lighter/portable than netbooks / doesn't suffer from how netbooks had those tiny keyboards and had to be flat to be usable. That said, I find the iPad bulky and so doesn't have the advantages of the smaller tablets or a computer.
I love the Kindle. Mine's broke unfortunately and I get the appeal of an e-reader. It's the rest of stuff a tablet does and the way it doesn't that I don't really understand.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 23, 2013, 04:09:09 PM
I love the Kindle. Mine's broke unfortunately and I get the appeal of an e-reader. It's the rest of stuff a tablet does and the way it doesn't that I don't really understand.
An easy and quick way to be online that is convenient for when you are on the go. Not much different from why people go online with their phones, except that it is large enough to actually see things clearly without squinting. :D
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2013, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 23, 2013, 03:49:01 PM
Not sure BB's thesis that Jobs pulled the wool over the music industries eyes holds up to scrutiny.
Itunes was a huge success well before the introduction of the IPod. Windows systems could run it around the time the first IPod was released. Throughout that time and after Apple continued to enter into licencing agreements with various content providers.
iTunes store didn't exist until the 3rd gen of iPods if wiki is to be trusted.
Not according to this article which states itunes came before the IPod.
Quoteat Macworld San Francisco in 2001, Apple debuted iTunes alongside iDVD and the CD-RW-enabled Power Macs. While it wasn't exactly a show-stopper (though 275,000 copies were downloaded in the first week), the "world's best and easiest to use 'jukebox' software" definitely raised the bar for music players on the Mac, which were relatively sparse and rather pricey (SoundJam cost $40). By offering iTunes as a free download and installing it on every new Mac, Apple essentially cut down the competition at the pass--or at least put a good scare into them. "Apple has done what Apple does best--make complex applications easy, and make them even more powerful in the process," said Steve Jobs at the time. "iTunes is miles ahead of every other jukebox application, and we hope its dramatically simpler user interface will bring even more people into the digital music revolution."
For many Mac users, iTunes was an introduction to digital music, and Apple strived to create a straightforward jukebox that needed little or no instruction to get started. Popping a music CD into your Mac automatically launched iTunes, which loaded the disc, collected track data from Gracenote and added them to your library. A clean interface split into boxes kept everything neat and always within reach of a mouse click.
Conspicuously missing from iTunes 1 was the ability to burn a CD on an external drive, a deficiency compounded by Apple's mostly CD-RW-less line of Macs. Apple answered the cries a month later at Macworld Tokyo with the introduction of new iMacs and Cubes with write-able drives, a 1.1 update that added third-party support, and the launch of the controversial "Rip, Mix, Burn" campaign.
After racking up more than a million downloads in just a few short months, it quickly became clear that iTunes was every bit as revolutionary as Apple hoped. What all those users didn't know, however, was that the music player was merely the first part of a strategy that would redefine the company as more than a Mac maker. in October 2001, Steve Jobs showed us the next piece of Apple's digital hub in the form of an oddly named, undeniably sexy hand-held device. Built exclusively to leverage the popularity of Apple's music app, iPod came bundled with a brand-new version of iTunes that allowed it to seamlessly integrate with the songs and playlists stored on our Macs.
iTunes was released in 2001, the iTunes store came out in 2003.
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 23, 2013, 04:09:09 PM
I love the Kindle. Mine's broke unfortunately and I get the appeal of an e-reader. It's the rest of stuff a tablet does and the way it doesn't that I don't really understand.
An easy and quick way to be online that is convenient for when you are on the go. Not much different from why people go online with their phones, except that it is large enough to actually see things clearly without squinting. :D
So maybe it's because of my great eyesight that I don't see the point of the iPad :P
The iTunes App came out in January 2001. iPod in October 2001. The iTunes Music Store came out in April 2003.
http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/ (http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/)
That may be what Wiki is talking about, g.
Not ever owned an ipod nor even ever used/touched one.
I like older discreet mp3 players, particularly the faglighter shaped creative ones that take AAAs.
Quote from: merithyn on October 23, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
The iTunes App came out in January 2001. iPod in October 2001. The iTunes Music Store came out in April 2003.
http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/ (http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/)
That may be what Wiki is talking about, g.
And of course from the same link, iTunes Music Store became available for Windows users in October of 2003.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 23, 2013, 12:08:02 PM
I can hold my iPad with my left hand and jerk off with the right.
I like how you can turn it to landscape, and with the case I have, fold it back to sit on my chest. That way, I can get the balls action as well.
Quote from: frunk on October 23, 2013, 04:17:29 PM
iTunes was released in 2001, the iTunes store came out in 2003.
:yes:
Quote from: merithyn on October 23, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
The iTunes App came out in January 2001. iPod in October 2001. The iTunes Music Store came out in April 2003.
http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/ (http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/)
That may be what Wiki is talking about, g.
And Beebs and I wrote about iTunes store...so I think iTunes itself is neither here nor there.
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2013, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 23, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
The iTunes App came out in January 2001. iPod in October 2001. The iTunes Music Store came out in April 2003.
http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/ (http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/)
That may be what Wiki is talking about, g.
And Beebs and I wrote about iTunes store...so I think iTunes itself is neither here nor there.
Ah, okay.
Quote from: merithyn on October 23, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2013, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 23, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
The iTunes App came out in January 2001. iPod in October 2001. The iTunes Music Store came out in April 2003.
http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/ (http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ipodhistory/)
That may be what Wiki is talking about, g.
And Beebs and I wrote about iTunes store...so I think iTunes itself is neither here nor there.
Ah, okay.
Unless the record companies were silly enough to license to apple when apple didn't even have a distribution system. :D
So have we, in the Languish way, precisely delineated the history of itunes?
Quote from: mongers on October 23, 2013, 05:16:46 PM
So have we, in the Languish way, precisely delineated the history of itunes?
iTunes music store. :contract:
Apple products blow.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 23, 2013, 04:04:48 PM
I still don't really get the appeal of the iPad or any other tablet :mellow:
They're good for browsing the internet while sitting on the toilet. :lol:
I love my 160GB ipod.
Gonna buy me another one for when my current one dies, since theyre probably gonna stop making them soon.
The current model 160 GB iPod was released in September 2009. That was more than 4 years ago.
The release price in 2009 was $249. The price now for the same model is . . . $249.
I think it is safe to say if any competition existed in the high cap player market the price would be considerable lower at this point.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 23, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
Still don't own one.
Me either.
iPod is a different thing than a smartphone though. It has much lower marginal utility.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 23, 2013, 04:04:48 PM
I still don't really get the appeal of the iPad or any other tablet :mellow:
Reading the Internet on the crapper.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 23, 2013, 06:05:58 PM
iPod is a different thing than a smartphone though. It has much lower marginal utility.
I don't know. Unlike an iPhone, the iPod can keep charge for a longer period of time.
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2013, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 23, 2013, 06:05:58 PM
iPod is a different thing than a smartphone though. It has much lower marginal utility.
I don't know. Unlike an iPhone, the iPod can keep charge for a longer period of time.
Amen to that. And you can cram a hell of a lot more into it to keep you occupied for a transcontinental flight.
Sorry should have said "long period of time".
But yeah. That battery is not a diva like the iPhone's.