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Not asking for belief, but rather which you find most culturally and intellectually appealing. 

Voted Orthodox, but for me it's a three-way split between Methodism, Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox.

Pretty much any of the non-conformist groups that built the little chapels in the small villages of the three counties hereabouts.

Sometimes there's even two or three of them per village, most built in the 2nd half of the 19th century or the Edwardian period.

Hmm.  I'd put that under Other Reformed, Methodist.  A lot of them were Wesley inspired, right?

Lutheran, specifically as formulated in the Augsburg Confession and the Swedish Church Ordinance of 1571 and confirmed at the Convocation of Uppsala in 1593.

Rastafarian?

Gnostic Silliness.

Quote from: Razgovory on October 22, 2013, 01:36:04 PM
Rastafarian?

I wanted to include Mormonism but get a dig in at it by comparing it to Rastafarianism. 

Quote from: mongers on October 22, 2013, 01:34:03 PM
Pretty much any of the non-conformist groups that built the little chapels in the small villages of the three counties hereabouts.

Sometimes there's even two or three of them per village, most built in the 2nd half of the 19th century or the Edwardian period.

Christadelphians!  :)

There is one of those in Oro-Medonte Township, Ontario - I drive past it on the way to my parent's cottage.

An interesting question is 'which varieties of Christianity are considered Christian by which other Christian varieties?'  ;)

I voted Mormon, in part because the Mormons are very interesting, but also to annoy Spellus. :)

Quote from: Malthus on October 22, 2013, 01:44:02 PM
An interesting question is 'which varieties of Christianity are considered Christian by which other Christian varieties?'  ;)

Basically everyone at the top (besides Gnostics) considers everyone but the crazy Americans to be Christians, and vice versa. 

Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2013, 01:35:03 PM
Hmm.  I'd put that under Other Reformed, Methodist.  A lot of them were Wesley inspired, right?

Oh I'm sure that's a big part of it.

What I notice looking at these chapels, they're often re-purposed as something else now, is how many are dedicated during the late 19th century agricultural depression. 

I'm a Methodist, but voted Lutheran.  I've enjoyed every Lutheran church and service I've attended, they don't have a bug up their asses about using real wine in communion, and their clergy is among the best-educated.

Quote from: derspiess on October 22, 2013, 01:50:58 PM
and their clergy is among the best-educated.

My grandpa is one of them. :cool:

Doesn't seem to be a good category for Universalism and similar modern movements with intellectual bent.

Poll sucks.

All Protestants are going to Hell.  Orthodox will go to Limbo.

None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

Hateful, cynical Euros are going to Double Hell.

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

People too cool for school are lame.

Anyway Unity of course :pope:

Quote from: Maximus on October 22, 2013, 01:53:33 PM
Doesn't seem to be a good category for Universalism and similar modern movements with intellectual bent.

Does that count as "Christian"?

Some of them would seem to consider themselves Christian, e.g Christian Science

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All equally worthless

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

:hmm:

Holy Mother Church, followed by CofE and Orthos.

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

Ditto.  I don't consider them "worthless," but I consider the differences between them to be an issue for their members, not for me.

Quote from: mongers on October 22, 2013, 02:19:49 PM
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All equally worthless

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

:hmm:

I first quoted the last poll options but then figured it doesn't adequately represent my opinion about Christian denominations as I don't consider them "worthless", so I deleted that. I couldn't even tell you what differences there are between most of the poll choices. I guess I can roughly distinguish between Catholics and Protestants, but I have no idea what say Pentecostals are and what makes them different from Calvinists or Baptists. I assume all of them are protestants in some form, but that's about it.

Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2013, 03:22:02 PM

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

Ditto.  I don't consider them "worthless," but I consider the differences between them to be an issue for their members, not for me.

It is helpful to know which sect is more likely to contain literalist loons so as to know who not to vote for in elections.

Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2013, 03:22:02 PM

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

Ditto.  I don't consider them "worthless," but I consider the differences between them to be an issue for their members, not for me.

Why do you say that?  We specifically were not supposed to concern ourselves with their beliefs.

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
I first quoted the last poll options but then figured it doesn't adequately represent my opinion about Christian denominations as I don't consider them "worthless", so I deleted that. I couldn't even tell you what differences there are between most of the poll choices. I guess I can roughly distinguish between Catholics and Protestants, but I have no idea what say Pentecostals are and what makes them different from Calvinists or Baptists. I assume all of them are protestants in some form, but that's about it.

Isn't some basic level of education about religion, including the practices and beliefs of some of the major world religions, together with some of the major denominations, part of being a well rounded person?

I mean, I don't put a lot of value in the muslim faith, but I could tell you some basic information about the sunni, shia, suffi and wahhabist schools of thought.

Quote from: Valmy on October 22, 2013, 02:00:46 PM

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
None, I don't really care about the differences between Christian denominations.

People too cool for school are lame.

Religion and spirituality has little meaning for me personally and doesn't really feature in my social environment either. I couldn't tell you any of my closer friends that is a regular churchgoer or openly religious. When I lived in the US I noticed that Americans often seem to put more emphasis on religion and church and the social function of church communities. I mean that also exists in Germany, but it doesn't seem to have the same importance in society. So for me the exact differences between different denominations really aren't very meaningful or relevant as I have very little contact with it anyway. If that makes me lame, so be it.

Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:35:54 PM

I mean, I don't put a lot of value in the muslim faith, but I could tell you some basic information about the sunni, shia, suffi and wahhabist schools of thought.

Me too. They blow up buildings and beat people up after having had gay sex with them.

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 03:37:20 PM
Religion and spirituality has little meaning for me personally and doesn't really feature in my social environment either. I couldn't tell you any of my closer friends that is a regular churchgoer or openly religious. When I lived in the US I noticed that Americans often seem to put more emphasis on religion and church and the social function of church communities. I mean that also exists in Germany, but it doesn't seem to have the same importance in society. So for me the exact differences between different denominations really aren't very meaningful or relevant as I have very little contact with it anyway. If that makes me lame, so be it.

But we were told specifically to not care about the beliefs and the distinctions but only with the cultural and intellectual thing you find interesting.  So look at the historical impacts, you have zero preference for the cultural and intellectual impacts between the Orthodox East and the Catholic West?  Maybe not.  But even if you did that would not require much actual knowledge about the exact differences between those religions.

Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:35:54 PM

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
I first quoted the last poll options but then figured it doesn't adequately represent my opinion about Christian denominations as I don't consider them "worthless", so I deleted that. I couldn't even tell you what differences there are between most of the poll choices. I guess I can roughly distinguish between Catholics and Protestants, but I have no idea what say Pentecostals are and what makes them different from Calvinists or Baptists. I assume all of them are protestants in some form, but that's about it.

Isn't some basic level of education about religion, including the practices and beliefs of some of the major world religions, together with some of the major denominations, part of being a well rounded person?

I mean, I don't put a lot of value in the muslim faith, but I could tell you some basic information about the sunni, shia, suffi and wahhabist schools of thought.

I agree, thought it can be tricky with protestants since there is such a myriad of beliefs.  I honestly can't tell the difference between Methodists and Pentecostals.

Which ones have the best dinners is the better question. Catholics do better pancake breakfasts, but you just can't beat Baptist fried chicken.

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
I first quoted the last poll options but then figured it doesn't adequately represent my opinion about Christian denominations as I don't consider them "worthless", so I deleted that. I couldn't even tell you what differences there are between most of the poll choices. I guess I can roughly distinguish between Catholics and Protestants, but I have no idea what say Pentecostals are and what makes them different from Calvinists or Baptists. I assume all of them are protestants in some form, but that's about it.

Pentecostals are all about the Holy Spirit (named after Pentecost when the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples). So they've got very little formal liturgy it's more classically about being seized by the Holy Spirit. Their worship often involves speaking in tongues, healing etc.

They're an extraordinary movement. I'd guess they're the fastest growing denomination in the world. Started in the early 20th century in poor often African-American communities, they had integrated Churches in Texas in the 1910s. Now they're huge (and growing) in Latin America, Africa, Asia and still often in African American communities.

My areas got a large (predominately African but some South American) Pentecostal presence. The giveaway is names like 'Power Church' and 'Rock of Redemption' :lol:

QuoteDitto.  I don't consider them "worthless," but I consider the differences between them to be an issue for their members, not for me.

But these are cultural and intellectual differences. Regardless of your views on the differences you can still prefer Anglican Evensong to Gospel or Catholic art to Orthodox iconography. Those differences are for everyone.

Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
Isn't some basic level of education about religion, including the practices and beliefs of some of the major world religions, together with some of the major denominations, part of being a well rounded person?

I mean, I don't put a lot of value in the muslim faith, but I could tell you some basic information about the sunni, shia, suffi and wahhabist schools of thought.

Yes. I could also tell you some basic information about half of the poll choices. But the difference between "mainline" and "other" Catholics or between orthodox, oriental orthodox and other non-catholic eastern churches is beyond my interest. I am sure they have some dogmatic, ritual or hierarchical differences, but while I am generally a quite curious person that never really interested me in detail. And even if I had encyclopedic knowledge about all the various Christian denominations, I would still not really be able to pick a favorite as I have no personal affinity to any of them. 

Quote from: Razgovory on October 22, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
I agree, thought it can be tricky with protestants since there is such a myriad of beliefs.  I honestly can't tell the difference between Methodists and Pentecostals.

Seriously?  They're almost as far apart as two Christian denominations can be.

I went with the Catholics.  I like their sense of order, even though I suppose that it gets them into trouble.  Pretty much any country where the Catholic faith was strong is a trainwreck, but there's just something appealing about the hierarchy.

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
Yes. I could also tell you some basic information about half of the poll choices. But the difference between "mainline" and "other" Catholics or between orthodox, oriental orthodox and other non-catholic eastern churches is beyond my interest. I am sure they have some dogmatic, ritual or hierarchical differences, but while I am generally a quite curious person that never really interested me in detail. And even if I had encyclopedic knowledge about all the various Christian denominations, I would still not really be able to pick a favorite as I have no personal affinity to any of them.

But this is about their intellectual and cultural heritage: Thomas Tallis or Stravinsky, Tolkien or Dostoyevsky. It's not about Arminian pre-destination v double pre-destination which is tedious even for people who find Christianity interesting :P

I went orthodox.  There's just something very appealing about their iconography and their services (I attended one or two - didn't understand a word, but very interesting).

Quote from: Sheilbh on October 22, 2013, 03:50:49 PM
But these are cultural and intellectual differences. Regardless of your views on the differences you can still prefer Anglican Evensong to Gospel or Catholic art to Orthodox iconography. Those differences are for everyone.

I could have preferences, but don't.  Those differences are for everyone who cares, which doesn't include me.  I just don't place the values on those things that some do.  It's like the differences between various forms of jazz.  If you care, fine.  I just don't care; it's not in my sphere of interests..

There is only one DJ Jazzy Jeff (PBUH).

Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
I went orthodox.  There's just something very appealing about their iconography and their services (I attended one or two - didn't understand a word, but very interesting).

We serve in English, you know.

I of course voted Ortho.  No surprises there.

Quote from: Valmy on October 22, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
But we were told specifically to not care about the beliefs and the distinctions but only with the cultural and intellectual thing you find interesting.  So look at the historical impacts, you have zero preference for the cultural and intellectual impacts between the Orthodox East and the Catholic West?  Maybe not.  But even if you did that would not require much actual knowledge about the exact differences between those religions.

Well, then I have to go with the Roman Catholic Church (I guess that would be "mainline Catholics" in the poll) as they obviously have most historical impact and with the Pope they have a highly visible pop culture figurehead which is good for identification of the church. They are powerful, they are controversial, they are secretive, they are monolithic. All of that is unlike the multitude of Protestants that I cannot tell apart and which seem to have a fraction of the (bad) public relations of the Roman Catholic Church. Their 2000 year tradition with claims going back to the Apostles is also pretty interesting (I think some of the Eastern churches have that too) and the Vatican is a worthy headquarter of such an organisation.

Other than that maybe the Anabaptists because I used to live in Münster for a while, so I know their role in the history of that city. There are still cages for them high up on one of the church towers.

Muslims plundered the Vatican. :(

That surprises me. I mean jazz is one specific genre whereas religiously inspired art or music is the entire Western Canon until the 18th century. Subsequently it's less common but still a relatively important stream of art, music, film and literature. It seems a big part of our cultural heritage to simply be indifferent to.

I would've expected you to be like Fry, Dawkins or Hitchens (I can't remember which) who obviously are terribly atheist but still liked cultural Anglicanism (or whichever else) - Evensong service, an English country church, the King James Bible and Book of Common Prayer.

Edit: Incidentally what made me choose Catholicism was a sort of feverish intensity of that Church. But especially the music and art of the Baroque Church, which is, for me unbeatable.

Like the famous atheist above I love the sort of languid traditional Anglicanism. English country churches that just seem comfortable in their landscape. Evensong and the English choral tradition. The language of their translations are also outstanding in beauty.

With the Orthodox it's the alien-ness, for me, that I find so compelling. The icons and the sound of the chant which really seem - though I could be wrong - to be trying to create a sense of other-ness even if you speak the language and that's your tradition.

Quote from: Scipio on October 22, 2013, 04:00:02 PM

Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
I went orthodox.  There's just something very appealing about their iconography and their services (I attended one or two - didn't understand a word, but very interesting).

We serve in English, you know.

I of course voted Ortho.  No surprises there.

The service I remember attending was for my girlfriend's grandfather's funeral, who was a Ukrainian orthodox priest.  Actually he might have been Romanian Orthodox - their home town was right on the border.

But in any event, the service wasn't in English. :contract:

Quote from: Scipio on October 22, 2013, 04:00:02 PM
We serve in English, you know.

I of course voted Ortho.  No surprises there.

My parents live in deep rural Dorset. Their next door neighbour is the former Vicar of the village. He's very religiously conservative and was furious when the CofE accepted women priests. So he refused to swim the Tiber (like hell was he going Papist) and now has a small Antiochian Orthodox Chapel down the road :lol:

Services are in English.

Quote from: Sheilbh on October 22, 2013, 04:03:36 PM
That surprises me. I mean jazz is one specific genre whereas religiously inspired art or music is the entire Western Canon until the 18th century. Subsequently it's less common but still a relatively important stream of art, music, film and literature. It seems a big part of our cultural heritage to simply be indifferent to.

I would've expected you to be like Fry, Dawkins or Hitchens (I can't remember which) who obviously are terribly atheist but still liked cultural Anglicanism (or whichever else) - Evensong service, an English country church, the King James Bible and Book of Common Prayer.

Okay, so if I appreciate Leonardo's Last Supper or Michelangelo's Pietà, both of which are clearly religiously inspired pieces of art, what poll option would I have to check? Catholic because they both were Catholics?

Is there anything specific about the art or music of the Baptists or Methodists that I should know about to pick a poll option?

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 04:15:01 PM
Okay, so if I appreciate Leonardo's Last Supper or Michelangelo's Pietà, both of which are clearly religiously inspired pieces of art, what poll option would I have to check? Catholic because they both were Catholics?

That's how I approached it, but everyone will do it differently. I love the Catholic Baroque, so I voted for the Catholic Church. But I also find Anglicanism, Orthodoxy, Calvinism very culturally appealing.

From what I understand there may be the same for Germans with Lutheranism as there is with the English and Anglicanism - there are beautiful translations and Luther-written hymns etc. But I don't know, I've no idea about Lutheranism.

QuoteIs there anything specific about the art or music of the Baptists or Methodists that I should know about to pick a poll option?

I know nothing about Baptists. All they bring to mind for me is the Southern Baptist Convention. Whereas Methodists, again for me personally, are Welsh and West Country non-conformists. Little meeting houses, male voice choirs, temperance and social reform.

And Labour.  I'd think the role of non-conformists in the development of Labour would put them on your top-4 list, Sheilbh. 

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
Yes. I could also tell you some basic information about half of the poll choices. But the difference between "mainline" and "other" Catholics or between orthodox, oriental orthodox and other non-catholic eastern churches is beyond my interest. I am sure they have some dogmatic, ritual or hierarchical differences, but while I am generally a quite curious person that never really interested me in detail. And even if I had encyclopedic knowledge about all the various Christian denominations, I would still not really be able to pick a favorite as I have no personal affinity to any of them.

1) Other Catholic mostly means the Uniate and other Eastern Catholic Churches. Could also include the various strange Papist Churches in Africa, where practically speaking clergy marry. 
2) Oriental Orthodox-Armenian, Ethiopian, Coptic.
3) Other Eastern-I'm mostly thinking of the Old Believers. 

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 03:48:51 PM
Which ones have the best dinners is the better question. Catholics do better pancake breakfasts, but you just can't beat Baptist fried chicken.

You want stick to the ribs food?  Lutheran, especially upper Midwest.

Quote from: PDH on October 22, 2013, 04:31:18 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 03:48:51 PM
Which ones have the best dinners is the better question. Catholics do better pancake breakfasts, but you just can't beat Baptist fried chicken.

You want stick to the ribs food?  Lutheran, especially upper Midwest.

You mean Lutefisk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtkX914_Ltc

Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2013, 04:37:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtkX914_Ltc

:lol:

Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2013, 04:27:23 PM
And Labour.  I'd think the role of non-conformists in the development of Labour would put them on your top-4 list, Sheilbh.

Yeah. Labour but even before that they were at the lead in anti-slave trade campaigns and 19th century liberalism. There's a lot to love about the Methodists.

Quote from: Sheilbh on October 22, 2013, 04:23:13 PM

Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2013, 04:15:01 PM
Okay, so if I appreciate Leonardo's Last Supper or Michelangelo's Pietà, both of which are clearly religiously inspired pieces of art, what poll option would I have to check? Catholic because they both were Catholics?

That's how I approached it, but everyone will do it differently. I love the Catholic Baroque, so I voted for the Catholic Church. But I also find Anglicanism, Orthodoxy, Calvinism very culturally appealing.

From what I understand there may be the same for Germans with Lutheranism as there is with the English and Anglicanism - there are beautiful translations and Luther-written hymns etc. But I don't know, I've no idea about Lutheranism.

QuoteIs there anything specific about the art or music of the Baptists or Methodists that I should know about to pick a poll option?

I know nothing about Baptists. All they bring to mind for me is the Southern Baptist Convention. Whereas Methodists, again for me personally, are Welsh and West Country non-conformists. Little meeting houses, male voice choirs, temperance and social reform.

This is what interests me with regard to the original question. 

Four hundred yards from here is a largely unchanged early 18th century Presbyterian meeting house, it became Unitarian in the 19th and now sadly isn't used for religion, but music and coffee mornings etc.

I've always had a unspoken ambition to do something political in it, as I feel what formerly went on in there was in part political in nature.

Central irony of European history of the 2nd Millennium; Liberalism (through the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution) and Capitalism (the Dutch, Scottish, English Dissenters) are hugely indebted to Jean Calvin, something close to Europe's Muhammed bin al-Wahhab.

Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2013, 04:33:45 PM

Quote from: PDH on October 22, 2013, 04:31:18 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 03:48:51 PM
Which ones have the best dinners is the better question. Catholics do better pancake breakfasts, but you just can't beat Baptist fried chicken.

You want stick to the ribs food?  Lutheran, especially upper Midwest.

You mean Lutefisk?

I mean all the hotdishes that are down in the church basement - lot's of good cheese and rice things, oh yeah.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 22, 2013, 01:58:15 PM
All Protestants are going to Hell.  Orthodox will go to Limbo.

:wub:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 22, 2013, 01:58:15 PM
All Protestants are going to Hell.  Orthodox will go to Limbo.

Since Limbo is doctrinally unfounded, although lovingly rendered by Alighieri, I'm not worried.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

Also, Seedy's understanding of limbo is, doctrinally speaking, lacking, since Orthodox baptism meets all the Roman requirements, and therefore, we are not subject to limbo.  So, in essence, papa cacat in silvis.

Boom.

Quote from: mongers on October 22, 2013, 05:25:50 PM
This is what interests me with regard to the original question. 

Four hundred yards from here is a largely unchanged early 18th century Presbyterian meeting house, it became Unitarian in the 19th and now sadly isn't used for religion, but music and coffee mornings etc.

I've always had a unspoken ambition to do something political in it, as I feel what formerly went on in there was in part political in nature.

Yeah I mean 5 of the 6 Tolpuddle Martyrs were Methodist and two lay preachers. Here's the Methodist Chapel with the memorial arch, paid for by the TUC:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tolpuddlemartyrs.org.uk%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2Fmuseum_photo5.jpg&hash=50ae2cf6af1551dc4f228dd949d05803151220de)
And here's the Martyrs' Museum on Methodism coming to the village:

QuoteMethodism and other non-conformist forms of worship were spreading with their more open and free approach to religious service. Five of the Tolpuddle Martyrs were Methodists, with George and James Loveless as local preachers. Next to Thomas Standfield's cottage in Tolpuddle was built a tiny cobb chapel.

How radical such a development was in rural areas is shown by the account in the Salisbury Journal of the chapel's first service on 13 October 1818. It reported that after the service, "a mob of about 100 persons were found assembled. These persons behaved in a most turbulent manner. A lady was pushed down a bank into the road; the horses were much frightened by the tumult. For more than two miles, the drivers, horse and carriages were pelted by the mob with stones, mud etc.; the windows of the chaise were broken and even the side of the chaise was pierced by a stone. One lady who rode by the side of the driver had a severe blow on her head and at Piddletown, the driver received a blow to his neck."

The old cobb Chapel:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tolpuddlemartyrs.org.uk%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2Fchapel.jpg&hash=215744200ce5009ae220ad884dd313c5ecc01dcc)

Edit: There was something extremely political merely in having a non-establishment church that not only didn't serve the local gentry in a rather lukewarm way but that involved the lay ministry of uneducated working class people.

Excellent stuff.

And to a degree it's now a pilgrimage site; politics fading into religion?


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Quote from: Sheilbh on October 22, 2013, 05:53:37 PM

Edit: There was something extremely political merely in having a non-establishment church that not only didn't serve the local gentry in a rather lukewarm way but that involved the lay ministry of uneducated working class people.

Indeed.

And 'we' need some movement akin to that in the current political climate, UKIP and new-old Labour don't cut.

Quote from: derspiess on October 22, 2013, 03:51:44 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on October 22, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
I agree, thought it can be tricky with protestants since there is such a myriad of beliefs.  I honestly can't tell the difference between Methodists and Pentecostals.

Seriously?  They're almost as far apart as two Christian denominations can be.

I'm not good at telling various communist parties apart either.

Yeah I think there's something to that. There's always been a slightly religious sentimentalism and nostalgia to a lot of the left.

Apparently Parliament may close soon because the building's in enormous disrepair and needs a huge renovation. So they may decamp for a while to Methodist Central Hall - just across Parliament square. Which seems appropriate, it hosted the first meeting of the UN General Assembly too:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hevac-heritage.org%2Fitems_of_interest%2Fventilation%2Fmethodist_central_hall%2Fmethodist_hall_2.jpg&hash=350f6724819036251ab2106eb0ab143074ec814c)

Quote from: PDH on October 22, 2013, 05:27:58 PM

Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2013, 04:33:45 PM

Quote from: PDH on October 22, 2013, 04:31:18 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 03:48:51 PM
Which ones have the best dinners is the better question. Catholics do better pancake breakfasts, but you just can't beat Baptist fried chicken.

You want stick to the ribs food?  Lutheran, especially upper Midwest.

You mean Lutefisk?

I mean all the hotdishes that are down in the church basement - lot's of good cheese and rice things, oh yeah.

Cheesy Potatoes. :mmm:

Quote from: Razgovory on October 22, 2013, 06:01:05 PM

Quote from: derspiess on October 22, 2013, 03:51:44 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on October 22, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
I agree, thought it can be tricky with protestants since there is such a myriad of beliefs.  I honestly can't tell the difference between Methodists and Pentecostals.

Seriously?  They're almost as far apart as two Christian denominations can be.

I'm not good at telling various communist parties apart either.

The thing is that if you were to ask the typical Pentecostal how they are different in their beliefs from Methodists (and vice versa), I doubt they could tell you.

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 06:12:15 PM
Cheesy Potatoes. :mmm:

Don't they do that thing where they put a bunch of tater tots, cream of mushroom soup, and shredded cheddar in a big casserole dish?  I think that's what 'hot dish' is. :hmm:

Quote from: Caliga on October 22, 2013, 06:14:05 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 06:12:15 PM
Cheesy Potatoes. :mmm:

Don't they do that thing where they put a bunch of tater tots, cream of mushroom soup, and shredded cheddar in a big casserole dish?  I think that's what 'hot dish' is. :hmm:

Green bean casserole?

When at a church dinner, I avoid stuff like that.  :)

Green bean casserole is awesome. Cashews and french fried onion rings are delicious, the cream of mushroom soup keeps it moist enough you don't need to drink, and the beans let you pretend it's healthy.  :D

I used to like green bean casserole, until I pretty much had to eat it at EVERY GODDAMN FAMILY GATHERING I attend here, and often more than one version, as various sisters have to compete over who has the 'best' green bean casserole.  Same goes for broccoli casserole.

Quote from: Sheilbh on October 22, 2013, 04:03:36 PM
That surprises me. I mean jazz is one specific genre whereas religiously inspired art or music is the entire Western Canon until the 18th century. Subsequently it's less common but still a relatively important stream of art, music, film and literature. It seems a big part of our cultural heritage to simply be indifferent to.

I am not indifferent to it, I am just indifferent to the labels.  Some people care about the labels attached to some things, others about the labels attached to different things.  I don't care about the labels attached to different forms of jazz, or to different types of religious music.  I  just know what I like, and what I don't, in those genres.

It surprises me that it surprises you that not everyone shares your interests.

Quote from: Caliga on October 22, 2013, 06:24:07 PM
I used to like green bean casserole, until I pretty much had to eat it at EVERY GODDAMN FAMILY GATHERING I attend here, and often more than one version, as various sisters have to compete over who has the 'best' green bean casserole.  Same goes for broccoli casserole.

Who hasn't seen THAT competition!   :lol:

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 06:12:15 PM
Cheesy Potatoes. :mmm:

You wouldn't be mmm'ing if you had my sister in law's cheesy potatoes.

I GOT TIRED OF WAITING FOR THEM TO BAKE IN THE OVEN SO I FINISHED THEM IN THE MICROWAVE :bleeding:

At some of her family get-togethers the green bean casserole is the highlight.  Last Thanksgiving at her mom's house I was shocked that the turkey was actually moist and edible.

Quote from: derspiess on October 22, 2013, 08:09:44 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 06:12:15 PM
Cheesy Potatoes. :mmm:

You wouldn't be mmm'ing if you had my sister in law's cheesy potatoes.

I GOT TIRED OF WAITING FOR THEM TO BAKE IN THE OVEN SO I FINISHED THEM IN THE MICROWAVE :bleeding:

At some of her family get-togethers the green bean casserole is the highlight.  Last Thanksgiving at her mom's house I was shocked that the turkey was actually moist and edible.

Microwaved cheese.  :glare:

Which Christian denomination should be burned at the stake?

Quote from: Phillip V on October 22, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
Which Christian denomination should be burned at the stake?

That depends on which sect you side with.  But if you want the most historically correct answer (in the sense of the ones that did get burned at the stake) go with the Gnostics.

Quote from: Phillip V on October 22, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
Which Christian denomination should be burned at the stake?

Probably some of all of them :lol:

But seriously, 5 to the end :)

Catholics. They have originality and nice buildings.

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 08:11:53 PM
Microwaved cheese.  :glare:

Worse than that, the undercooked shredded potatoes (which of course came from a bag, frozen).

Quote from: crazy canuck on October 22, 2013, 09:06:01 PM

Quote from: Phillip V on October 22, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
Which Christian denomination should be burned at the stake?

That depends on which sect you side with.  But if you want the most historically correct answer (in the sense of the ones that did get burned at the stake) go with the Gnostics.

:yes:  They were the Scientologists of their day.

Quote from: derspiess on October 22, 2013, 09:20:18 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2013, 08:11:53 PM
Microwaved cheese.  :glare:

Worse than that, the undercooked shredded potatoes (which of course came from a bag, frozen).

:glare:

:yuk:

Yeah.

Cal's Hot Dish:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotdish

Papists are the best in the sack.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 22, 2013, 10:10:28 PM
Papists are the best in the sack.

Of course.

But you can't discount that Calvinist work ethic, either.

Quote from: crazy canuck on October 22, 2013, 09:06:01 PM

Quote from: Phillip V on October 22, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
Which Christian denomination should be burned at the stake?

But if you want the most historically correct answer (in the sense of the ones that did get burned at the stake) go with the Gnostics.

I'd say Anabaptists.

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Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
Not asking for belief, but rather which you find most culturally and intellectually appealing. 

non practicing catholic, the way it's done in Quebec. :)

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Quote from: crazy canuck on October 22, 2013, 09:06:01 PM

Quote from: Phillip V on October 22, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
Which Christian denomination should be burned at the stake?

But if you want the most historically correct answer (in the sense of the ones that did get burned at the stake) go with the Gnostics.

I'd say Anabaptists.

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Delicious. :)

11 poll choices for different brands of protestantism, really?

I do prefer the term "mainline" Catholic over "mainstream" Catholic, anyway.  It sorta gives it a Tarantino IV-drug-use-is-kinda-cool-and-hip-as-long-as-you-manage-it-properly appeal.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 23, 2013, 07:54:16 AM
I do prefer the term "mainline" Catholic over "mainstream" Catholic, anyway.  It sorta gives it a Tarantino IV-drug-use-is-kinda-cool-and-hip-as-long-as-you-manage-it-properly appeal.

I had you for a plain "Roman Catholic" kind of guy. Either that or just One True Church.

There is only One True Church with its home office in Rome, and I am nestled in the Love of Her Bosom.

"Mainline" sounds nice, though.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 22, 2013, 10:10:28 PM
Papists are the best in the sack.

At least it gave an opening for one of the all time best lines.

You Catholic girls start much too late. Sooner or later it comes down to fate. I might as well, will be the one

Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 23, 2013, 07:54:16 AM
I do prefer the term "mainline" Catholic over "mainstream" Catholic, anyway.  It sorta gives it a Tarantino IV-drug-use-is-kinda-cool-and-hip-as-long-as-you-manage-it-properly appeal.

It's "Mainline Protestant" rather than "Mainstream Protestant", Mainline seems less like an endorsement for some reason. 

How does one Mainline a religion? :hmm:

It's use as an adjective more or less synonymous with mainstream is common knowledge.  I didn't even know it could be used for drug usage.

I thought it had to do with ship rigging.