We finally find one honest politician, and she's immediately kicked out of the party. :mad:
QuoteFrance far-right candidate compares justice minister to monkey
France's far-right party told Al Jazeera Friday that it suspended a candidate in the upcoming municipal elections who came under fire in French media for what many called a racist Facebook post.
Anne-Sophie Leclere, the National Front's candidate for the northern municipality of Rethel in March's elections, posted a photo of Justice Minister Christiane Taubira — originally from French Guiana, a French overseas department in northern South America — next to a photo of a monkey.
"I prefer to see her swinging in a tree than to see her in government," Leclere told TV channel France-2 in an interview, echoed across French media.
Leclere "is no longer the National Front candidate in the elections," National Front spokesman Nicolas Bay told Al Jazeera.
It appears Leclere has since removed the offending photo from her Facebook page, which includes photos of Leclere with party president Marine Le Pen and her firebrand father Jean-Marie, the National Front's founding leader, who was charged with racism and multiple occasions and denied the Holocaust had ever occured.
Remaining shares on Leclere's Facebook as of Friday, 5:00 a.m. EDT includes an image reading, "Homo, don't forget: you have one father AND one mother. NO! to gay marriage."
Leclere's party membership is currently under review, Bay said.
Yassir Kazar, a French-Moroccan dual citizen and immigrant rights advocate, told Al Jazeera Leclere's suspension is a sign of a shift in the National Front's politics.
"What can we learn from this?" Kazar said, "You can see a contrast between what the leaders of the FN are really thinking and what they show us."
"This is actually the strength of the National Front: They understand that if they want to win, they have to choose their words. But you see here what the members are really thinking."
Karim Emile Bitar, director of Paris-based international relations think tank the Institut de Relations Internationales et Strategiques (IRIS), told Al Jazeera that "Marine Le Pen has been trying for the past few years to completely rebrand the National Front to make it more like a mainstream party, rather than an extreme party of agitators."
And polls show it may be working, as austerity measures and an ever-faltering economy have disenfranchised many from the ruling Socialist Party, Kazar said.
"People see the leftist government hasn't dealt well with the crisis, so more and more people are moving toward the National Front," he said.
A survey conducted by news channel BFM TV and pollster CSA revealed Wednesday that one in two French nationals see Marine Le Pen, president of the far-right National Front, as "the strongest opposition" to sitting French President Francois Hollande and his Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault.
"Not all FN voters are racists. Many are underprivileged people who want to register a protest vote," Bitar said.
Regardless of her party's shift in tone, Le Pen has made some of her stances on immigrants clear.
Le Pen told Le Monde newspaper late last year that she "would kick out all the foreign fundamentalists. All of them! We know who they are."
They're the ones with the swarthy complexion, right? :unsure:
Anyhow here is Christian Tubira:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.la-croix.com%2Fvar%2Fbayard%2Fstorage%2Fimages%2Flacroix%2Factualite%2Fs-informer%2Ffrance%2Fchristiane-taubira-le-mariage-pour-tous-repond-a-une-exigence-d-egalite-_np_-2012-09-10-851585%2F27375767-10-fre-FR%2FChristiane-Taubira-Le-mariage-pour-tous-repond-a-une-exigence-d-egalite_article_popin.jpg&hash=cafde639e0a8218726b8dfe65c6094e18ad8ceea)
As you can tell by all the books behind me of equal size, I am an attorney.
That last e is important.
ChristianE
It's "from". :mad:
Ooooh. See I thought she meant she wanted Taubira lynched when I heard that quote. See that is a cultural difference, when somebody in America says they want to see dark-skinned people swinging in trees we make totally different associations.
I cane the monkey every night.
Quote from: Savonarola on October 18, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
As you can tell by all the books behind me of equal size, I am an attorney.
:lol: I was always curious, do lawyers really have those bookcases, or do you just rent a wallpaper with the books painted on them whenever you need to take an impromptu contemplative shot?
We are all monkeys.
All Humans are Apes, all Apes are Monkeys, all Monkeys are Primates and all Primates are Mammals.
No doubt she will receive support from the order of capuchin friars, her fellow victims.
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2013, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 18, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
As you can tell by all the books behind me of equal size, I am an attorney.
:lol: I was always curious, do lawyers really have those bookcases, or do you just rent a wallpaper with the books painted on them whenever you need to take an impromptu contemplative shot?
My dad has several hundred volumes on theology, but he's got them organized by subject. That breaks up the sets and makes his shelves not near as tidy as the ones in the picture.
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2013, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 18, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
As you can tell by all the books behind me of equal size, I am an attorney.
:lol: I was always curious, do lawyers really have those bookcases, or do you just rent a wallpaper with the books painted on them whenever you need to take an impromptu contemplative shot?
What I wonder is are they real books or just empty shells?
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 18, 2013, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2013, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 18, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
As you can tell by all the books behind me of equal size, I am an attorney.
:lol: I was always curious, do lawyers really have those bookcases, or do you just rent a wallpaper with the books painted on them whenever you need to take an impromptu contemplative shot?
What I wonder is are they real books or just empty shells?
Books: A
Lawyers: B
:lol:
:XD:
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2013, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 18, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
As you can tell by all the books behind me of equal size, I am an attorney.
:lol: I was always curious, do lawyers really have those bookcases, or do you just rent a wallpaper with the books painted on them whenever you need to take an impromptu contemplative shot?
They are supposed to be law reporters, which come in huge matched sets. Our firm library has many of those, but stored on roller shelving.
These days, I assume sole pratitioners having them is a bit of an affectation; I imagine most would not bother, and just look up cases online.
We use the various statute books pretty frequently in public defender offices. But the relevant ones (family/children, driving, criminal, procedure/evidence, appeal) only take up a single shelf in each attorney's room.
Even with computer-semiliterate older people at poorly funded offices, the reporters are hardly ever used.
Really? Everybody is interested in the books and not the fact her office is white with gold leafing? Where does she work? Versailles?
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Really? Everybody is interested in the books and not the fact her office is white with gold leafing? Where does she work? Versailles?
EDIT: Apparently that is her office after all. In the Ministry of Justice of France in the Hôtel de Bourvallais:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.justice.gouv.fr%2Fart_pix%2Fbibliothequeroyale_bourvallais_20120905.jpg&hash=703eb28e1d02cf60b06d7e02bd35f68c746c78c7)
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Really? Everybody is interested in the books and not the fact her office is white with gold leafing? Where does she work? Versailles?
It's France, all their institutions look like that.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 18, 2013, 09:51:39 AM
That last e is important.
ChristianE
Po-tay-to, pomme de terre
(Sorry :Embarrass:)
Quote from: Savonarola on October 18, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
Anyhow here is Christian Tubira:
As this is Languish, obviously we cannot let a thread with two women go by with only posting a picture of one. We must have both and compare who is HOTTer...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lunion.presse.fr%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fvdn_photo_principale_article%2Farticles%2Fophotos%2F20130928%2F2132778925_B971114356Z.1_20130928094607_000_G3P1A2MF1.2-0.jpg&hash=c1d33c281263eb8ce32a08478c1bca79443ac99a)
Racist chick is hotter, as expected.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 18, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Racist chick is hotter, as expected.
Hotter, as in ice cream is hotter than icebergs. :yuk:
I thought the shot of her contemplating over the shot of her contemplating was hilarious.
Quote from: grumbler on October 19, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 18, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Racist chick is hotter, as expected.
Hotter, as in ice cream is hotter than icebergs. :yuk:
More like day old pizza.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2013, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 19, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 18, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Racist chick is hotter, as expected.
Hotter, as in ice cream is hotter than icebergs. :yuk:
More like day old pizza.
Ooh, I have pizza in the fridge. Breakfeast. :licklips:
Quote from: DGuller on October 19, 2013, 10:10:19 AM
I thought the shot of her contemplating over the shot of her contemplating was hilarious.
She's contemplating Marine Le Pen.
I'd cane it.
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 18, 2013, 04:46:51 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 18, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
Anyhow here is Christian Tubira:
As this is Languish, obviously we cannot let a thread with two women go by with only posting a picture of one. We must have both and compare who is HOTTer...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lunion.presse.fr%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fvdn_photo_principale_article%2Farticles%2Fophotos%2F20130928%2F2132778925_B971114356Z.1_20130928094607_000_G3P1A2MF1.2-0.jpg&hash=c1d33c281263eb8ce32a08478c1bca79443ac99a)
She's a hard 5, if you dolled her up real good she'd make it to a 6...maybe. And her forehead's too prominent.
WNB.
Plus there are the pointy elbows.
Quote from: Viking on October 18, 2013, 11:17:38 AM
All Humans are Apes, all Apes are Monkeys, all Monkeys are Primates and all Primates are Mammals.
The Librarian would like to have a word with you.
Quote from: Malthus on October 18, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
They are supposed to be law reporters, which come in huge matched sets. Our firm library has many of those, but stored on roller shelving.
These days, I assume sole pratitioners having them is a bit of an affectation; I imagine most would not bother, and just look up cases online.
Pretty much what I was told in my paralegal classes. There might be a Black's Law Dictionary in there too, though. Most attorneys in the US nowadays are going to just subscribe to LexusNexus or WestLaw's online archives instead of paying for new editions, and they just keep the ones they have for citing older cases.
French political debate is degrading. :( The other day a PS MP aide called Marion-Maréchale Le Pen a "cunt and a bitch". :(
He has not been fired, unlike this FN candidate
As for Taubira, she's infamous for its angelism as Justice minister and for PC historical laws about the slave trade. Only a crime against humanity when done by whites, inter-african and oriental slave trade need not apply, so it's not like there's nothing to criticise.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 21, 2013, 08:36:46 AM
As for Taubira, she's infamous for its angelism as Justice minister and for PC historical laws about the slave trade. Only a crime against humanity when done by whites, inter-african and oriental slave trade need not apply, so it's not like there's nothing to criticise.
Well that sure makes it easy considering France has not done any international slave trading since 1835. A firm uncompromising stand against people dead for 150 years or so is pretty easy to make.
If she took a stand against slavery in general then there are actually people around to oppose which is scary and stuff.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 21, 2013, 08:23:48 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 18, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
They are supposed to be law reporters, which come in huge matched sets. Our firm library has many of those, but stored on roller shelving.
These days, I assume sole pratitioners having them is a bit of an affectation; I imagine most would not bother, and just look up cases online.
Pretty much what I was told in my paralegal classes. There might be a Black's Law Dictionary in there too, though. Most attorneys in the US nowadays are going to just subscribe to LexusNexus or WestLaw's online archives instead of paying for new editions, and they just keep the ones they have for citing older cases.
Our firm has some law reporters that are pretty antique, dating back to the 19th century. Still occasionally referenced.
Just for shits and giggles, I went to check - the oldest reporter we have is the High Court of Admiralty & Ecclesiastical Courts reporter (Vol. 1), published in 1867. We have a reprint entitled the English Reports, printed in 1900, that collects much earlier cases - the earliest being Dominus Rex v. Viscount Purbeck, 1677 - about whether a Viscountship can be surrendered to the Crown. Not an issue that arises much these days. :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on October 21, 2013, 08:59:32 AM
Our firm has some law reporters that are pretty antique, dating back to the 19th century. Still occasionally referenced.
Just for shits and giggles, I went to check - the oldest reporter we have is the High Court of Admiralty & Ecclesiastical Courts reporter (Vol. 1), published in 1867. We have a reprint entitled the English Reports, printed in 1900, that collects much earlier cases - the earliest being Dominus Rex v. Viscount Purbeck, 1677 - about whether a Viscountship can be surrendered to the Crown. Not an issue that arises much these days. :hmm:
Well it is comforting to know you have the resources on hand if it does.
Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2013, 09:11:23 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 21, 2013, 08:59:32 AM
Our firm has some law reporters that are pretty antique, dating back to the 19th century. Still occasionally referenced.
Just for shits and giggles, I went to check - the oldest reporter we have is the High Court of Admiralty & Ecclesiastical Courts reporter (Vol. 1), published in 1867. We have a reprint entitled the English Reports, printed in 1900, that collects much earlier cases - the earliest being Dominus Rex v. Viscount Purbeck, 1677 - about whether a Viscountship can be surrendered to the Crown. Not an issue that arises much these days. :hmm:
Well it is comforting to know you have the resources on hand if it does.
;)
Somebody has to know.
Just for further shits and giggles - the first case in the 1867 reporter was about a blocade-runner suing somebody after their ship failed to run the Union blockade in the Civil War. ;)
France. :wub:
Quote from: Malthus on October 21, 2013, 09:15:55 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2013, 09:11:23 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 21, 2013, 08:59:32 AM
Our firm has some law reporters that are pretty antique, dating back to the 19th century. Still occasionally referenced.
Just for shits and giggles, I went to check - the oldest reporter we have is the High Court of Admiralty & Ecclesiastical Courts reporter (Vol. 1), published in 1867. We have a reprint entitled the English Reports, printed in 1900, that collects much earlier cases - the earliest being Dominus Rex v. Viscount Purbeck, 1677 - about whether a Viscountship can be surrendered to the Crown. Not an issue that arises much these days. :hmm:
Well it is comforting to know you have the resources on hand if it does.
;)
Somebody has to know.
Just for further shits and giggles - the first case in the 1867 reporter was about a blocade-runner suing somebody after their ship failed to run the Union blockade in the Civil War. ;)
Getting rid of a peerage (a viscountcy as it happens) became a big deal in the UK back in the 1960s when Viscount Stansgate needed to get rid of it so that he could sit in the Commons. He succeeded in getting the law changed, got rid of his peerage and soon became an MP, now Tony Benn............arch-lefty, terror of the propertied classes and, almost uniquely for a British politician, liked by most. Very elderly and retired now of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn
He's liked by most because he's now very old and rather avuncular.
When he was a young man with ambition he was hated by the Tories and really, really loathed by moderate Labourites too.
Though I saw a thing by Hopi Sen during the 'reshuffle for hard-working families' in which he proposed a 'reshuffle for the indolent' led by Ken Clarke as PM. It was striking how much more widely popular the lazy politicians were :lol:
Edit: Also, assuming Benn's still making public appearances, it'll be interesting to see him joint-campaign with, say, Nigel Farage to leave the EU :lol:
Well, there you go. You never know when a case from 1677 may come in handy. :)
As young articling students, a group of us had a contest to see who could work the most ancient citation in to a bit of paying business, in a manner that was not overly contrived (that is, it was actually a useful cite for some reason). I was the front-runner for a while with a cite mentioning the Magna Carta (in a reference dealing with reform of the laws dealing with financial guardianship), but I lost out ... I can't remember what cite won, but I think it was a cite to the Code of Justinian. :lol:
[Cites to the religious texts were disqualified]
'To prove my client's innocence might I bring the court's attention to Lex IV on the second of the Twelve Tables'
Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2013, 02:07:42 PM
'To prove my client's innocence might I bring the court's attention to Lex IV on the second of the Twelve Tables'
That's the spirit! :D
Though in reality, most of the really ancient cites were given as examples of the historical progression of the law in some area. "As can be seen, until modern times the law on guardianship had remained consistent over many centuries on this point in the English Common Law, going back to the first mention in the Magna Carta ...". That sort of thing.
Here's an example from our Supreme Court, which would definitely be a contender:
Quote41 Long before the days of Lord Pratt C.J., the related idea of condemning a defendant to a multiple of what is required for compensation (in the present appeal, as stated, the punitive damages were roughly triple the award of compensatory damages) reached back to the Code of Hammurabi, Babylonian law, Hittite law (1400 B.C.), the Hindu Code of Manu (200 B.C.), ancient Greek codes, the Ptolemaic law in Egypt and the Hebrew Covenant Code of Mosaic law (see Exodus 22:1 "If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep"). Roman law also included provisions for multiple damages. Admittedly, in these early systems, criminal law and civil law were not always clearly differentiated. The United States Supreme Court in BMW, supra, referred at p. 581 to "65 different enactments [in English statutes] during the period between 1275 and 1753 [that] provided for double, treble, or quadruple damages".
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2002/2002scc18/2002scc18.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAJaGFtbXVyYWJpAAAAAAE
Quote from: Malthus on October 21, 2013, 08:59:32 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 21, 2013, 08:23:48 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 18, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
They are supposed to be law reporters, which come in huge matched sets. Our firm library has many of those, but stored on roller shelving.
These days, I assume sole pratitioners having them is a bit of an affectation; I imagine most would not bother, and just look up cases online.
Pretty much what I was told in my paralegal classes. There might be a Black's Law Dictionary in there too, though. Most attorneys in the US nowadays are going to just subscribe to LexusNexus or WestLaw's online archives instead of paying for new editions, and they just keep the ones they have for citing older cases.
Our firm has some law reporters that are pretty antique, dating back to the 19th century. Still occasionally referenced.
Just for shits and giggles, I went to check - the oldest reporter we have is the High Court of Admiralty & Ecclesiastical Courts reporter (Vol. 1), published in 1867. We have a reprint entitled the English Reports, printed in 1900, that collects much earlier cases - the earliest being Dominus Rex v. Viscount Purbeck, 1677 - about whether a Viscountship can be surrendered to the Crown. Not an issue that arises much these days. :hmm:
My own personal law library has a set of the All ERs going back to the 16-17th century. I also have have a long since out of print original set of the Western Law Reporter, with the first volume printed in 1905. :nerd:
:huh: Western Law is decided by Judge Colt and his jury of six in trials of triggernometry.
Quote from: Malthus on October 21, 2013, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2013, 02:07:42 PM
'To prove my client's innocence might I bring the court's attention to Lex IV on the second of the Twelve Tables'
That's the spirit! :D
Though in reality, most of the really ancient cites were given as examples of the historical progression of the law in some area. "As can be seen, until modern times the law on guardianship had remained consistent over many centuries on this point in the English Common Law, going back to the first mention in the Magna Carta ...". That sort of thing.
What I love about English law is that "time immemorial" was originally defined as everything before 6 July 1189. :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_immemorial
Tony Benn can kiss my red white and blue ass.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 21, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
my red white and blue ass.
There is probably some form of medication you can take for that.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 21, 2013, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 21, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
my red white and blue ass.
There is probably some form of medication you can take for that.
I assumed it's a side effect of the medications he's already taking. :hmm:
Well, he did used to be called "monkey butt".
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
Well, he did used to be called "monkey butt".
Wait. What? Ed is MB? Source?
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on October 18, 2013, 02:13:48 PM
We use the various statute books pretty frequently in public defender offices. But the relevant ones (family/children, driving, criminal, procedure/evidence, appeal) only take up a single shelf in each attorney's room.
Even with computer-semiliterate older people at poorly funded offices, the reporters are hardly ever used.
I used a reporter for the first time! :w00t: Looking up a 1906 criminal case (an Italian prosecuted for selling malt-extract from his pharmacy for "bibulous" purposes :yankee:) for language that would help in arguing that the Vermont constitution's "laws of the land" clause is broader/stronger due process protection than the federal.
Quote from: The Brain on October 21, 2013, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
Well, he did used to be called "monkey butt".
Wait. What? Ed is MB? Source?
What good would it do, I'm sure Raz's handwriting is illegible.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2013, 10:20:14 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on October 18, 2013, 02:13:48 PM
We use the various statute books pretty frequently in public defender offices. But the relevant ones (family/children, driving, criminal, procedure/evidence, appeal) only take up a single shelf in each attorney's room.
Even with computer-semiliterate older people at poorly funded offices, the reporters are hardly ever used.
I used a reporter for the first time! :w00t: Looking up a 1906 criminal case (an Italian prosecuted for selling malt-extract from his pharmacy for "bibulous" purposes :yankee:) for language that would help in arguing that the Vermont constitution's "laws of the land" clause is broader/stronger due process protection than the federal.
When you murder one for the first time you'll be in Putin's league. :)