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Title: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 12:38:23 PM
Won it today, the first Canadian woman to win it and, as far as I know, the first person from Ontario. What do you Languishites think of her work?

I tried reading some of her stories many years ago, and could not get into them. Maybe I should try again.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/alice-munro-is-1st-canadian-woman-to-win-nobel-literature-prize-1.1958383
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
I've tried to read her stuff, too. Not my bag, but I like her writing style quite a bit. Just don't much care for her choice of topics.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: The Brain on October 10, 2013, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 12:38:23 PM
Won it today, the first Canadian woman to win it

This is not the time to be bitter. :)
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
On a related note, which literary prize do y'all consider the most prestigious?
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: katmai on October 10, 2013, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
On a related note, which literary prize do y'all consider the most prestigious?

Getting my letter published in Penthouse Forums!
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: crazy canuck on October 10, 2013, 01:44:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 10, 2013, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 12:38:23 PM
Won it today, the first Canadian woman to win it

This is not the time to be bitter. :)

:lol:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Sheilbh on October 10, 2013, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
On a related note, which literary prize do y'all consider the most prestigious?
I think probably the ones for a novel in a specific language. So I like the Booker prize and the Pulitzer but they both have off years.

The Nobel is way, way down the list. It's a lifetime achievement award that, historically at least, tends to make quite tokenistic picks.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
On a related note, which literary prize do y'all consider the most prestigious?

The Booker is pretty highly regarded I think.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: jimmy olsen on October 10, 2013, 05:39:13 PM
Hugo! :nerd:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Josephus on October 10, 2013, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 12:38:23 PM
Won it today, the first Canadian woman to win it and, as far as I know, the first person from Ontario.

Well that would be a logical conclusion :D

REgarding her work. I was forced to read her since I minored in Canadian Lit. She's tough, very tough as are most female Canadian writers (apologizes to any relatives of one). But there's no doubting her talent. Good for her.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2013, 05:47:53 PM
I minored in Canadian Lit.

:zipped:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Josephus on October 10, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2013, 05:47:53 PM
I minored in Canadian Lit.

:zipped:

?
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
Doesn't seem like a very deep field.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: mongers on October 10, 2013, 06:01:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
Doesn't seem like a very deep field.

[Josq]

The quality stuff is hidden deep, that's why he was miner in lit.

[/Josq]
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Jacob on October 10, 2013, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
Doesn't seem like a very deep field.

Are you actually familiar with Canadian literature, or are you just guessing?
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Josephus on October 10, 2013, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
Doesn't seem like a very deep field.

You be surprised. the shit runs deep but there are some diamonds.

Timothy Findlay. Michael Ondatjee (he was just starting when I was in school);  Mordechai Richler..
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2013, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
Doesn't seem like a very deep field.

You be surprised. the shit runs deep but there are some diamonds.

Timothy Findlay. Michael Ondatjee (he was just starting when I was in school);  Mordechai Richler..

He's trolling you.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Jacob on October 10, 2013, 06:33:09 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 06:28:35 PMHe's trolling you.

Why so hostile?
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Jacob on October 10, 2013, 06:33:09 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 06:28:35 PMHe's trolling you.

Why so hostile?

:lol:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Barrister on October 10, 2013, 06:40:16 PM
Canadian literature is far, far better than Canadian tv/movies.

Have to admit I have not read any Alice Munro however.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Ed Anger on October 10, 2013, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 10, 2013, 06:40:16 PM
Canadian literature is far, far better than Canadian tv/movies.

Have to admit I have not read any Alice Munro however.

Oh dear god, Canuck TV/movies. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Barrister on October 10, 2013, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2013, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 10, 2013, 06:40:16 PM
Canadian literature is far, far better than Canadian tv/movies.

Have to admit I have not read any Alice Munro however.

Oh dear god, Canuck TV/movies. :bleeding:

Agreed. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
On a related note, which literary prize do y'all consider the most prestigious?

Nobel's pretty big on the international front.  So many literary prizes are language-specific, so I would think in the US a Pulitzer would be just as prestigious, or one of the fancy PEN awards, but there are bigger and more prestigious awards like the Booker that would never be awarded to an American. 
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Ed Anger on October 10, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
AVN "best cumshot to the face".
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 06:55:54 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 10, 2013, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2013, 06:52:48 PM
Oh dear god, Canuck TV/movies. :bleeding:

Agreed. :bleeding:

Don't be bustin' on Da Vinci's Inquest :mad: :unsure:  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Sheilbh on October 10, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
So many literary prizes are language-specific, so I would think in the US a Pulitzer would be just as prestigious, or one of the fancy PEN awards, but there are bigger and more prestigious awards like the Booker that would never be awarded to an American.
The Booker's for British and Commonwealth authors. I believe from this year they'll also have American entrants. I hope it doesn't drown out other voices though.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 10, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
So many literary prizes are language-specific, so I would think in the US a Pulitzer would be just as prestigious, or one of the fancy PEN awards, but there are bigger and more prestigious awards like the Booker that would never be awarded to an American.
The Booker's for British and Commonwealth authors. I believe from this year they'll also have American entrants. I hope it doesn't drown out other voices though.

That's what they say.  I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Sheilbh on October 10, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
That's what they say.  I'll believe it when I see it.
Personally I'm not keen on Americans being allowed to enter either :P
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 10, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
That's what they say.  I'll believe it when I see it.
Personally I'm not keen on Americans being allowed to enter either :P

I wouldn't accept it anyway, pal.  So there.  Nyah.
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 10, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 10, 2013, 05:39:13 PM
Hugo! :nerd:

:yes:
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: The Brain on October 11, 2013, 01:22:23 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 10, 2013, 06:58:46 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Jacob on October 10, 2013, 06:33:09 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2013, 06:28:35 PMHe's trolling you.

Why so hostile?

:lol:

Thanks for pointing that out, I wouldn't have got it otherwise; nice droll humour from Jacob.

Why so hostile?
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: Syt on October 11, 2013, 01:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2013, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 10, 2013, 06:40:16 PM
Canadian literature is far, far better than Canadian tv/movies.

Have to admit I have not read any Alice Munro however.

Oh dear god, Canuck TV/movies. :bleeding:

Just don't insult their beer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HGPh8Hjyg8
Title: Re: Alice Munro - Nobel Prize for Literature
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on October 11, 2013, 05:18:09 PM
I used to think the Nobel in Literature was one of the stupidest of the prizes, because of all the shenanigans (especially the huge proportion of Scandinavian authors who have won it, relative to their extremely small proportion of global population.) But at some point I recognized that an international prize in literature with a selection committee like the Nobel's is really just not that valid of a prize anyway. No matter how versed you are in other languages, it's hard to ever truly appreciate literature in a foreign tongue, and translations often miss the mark for cultural reasons even when they are still very good. So you're just going to expect a strong bias inherent to the people making the selection for stuff they "understand" and additionally a strong bias to works that lend themselves better to "internationalization", which isn't the same as "the best works of literature.

So yes, I think respective national-level prizes are more prestigious. If I was an American author I'd take more pride in winning a Pulitzer than winning the Nobel, in fact if I was an American author who won the Nobel in Literature I'd wager my writings would be something no American had ever read, and the ones who did would find it unreadable gibberish.

I've not read Alice Munro by the way, but I have at least heard of her--a first in many years for me for a Nobel Laureate in Literature.