QuoteShots fired at U.S.Capitol, female suspect killed
By Michael O'Brien, Pete Williams and Richard Esposito, NBC News
The United States Capitol was placed on lockdown Thursday afternoon after a woman tried to ram a car into the White House gate, was chased by Secret Service and exchanged shots with police, sources said.
The suspect — who had a child in the car — was shot and killed, and a shelter-in-place order was lifted at about 3 p.m. At least one Capitol Police officer was injured but apparently not shot.
"This appears to be an isolated incident," a Capitol Police Chief Kim Dine. "Both scenes are under control."
President Barack Obama was briefed about the harrowing incident, which came in the midst of the government shutdown that has created a tense atmosphere on Capitol Hill.
It started a little after 2 p.m. when the woman in a black car tried to breach White House security at 15th St. and E, law-enforcement sources said.
She did not get through and was chased at high speeds for about 12 blocks, the sources said. Near the Capitol, she began firing and was shot, the sources said. The child was reported to be safe.
Her motive was unknown but Capitol Police said there was no reason to think it was an act of terrorism.
Travis Gillbert, who watched the chase from the roof of the Newseum, said vehicles involved "had several close encounters with other vehicles during the case."
"It was very dangerous," he said.
An NBC satellite truck operator saw several police cars with lights flashing near the gardens below the Capitol when he suddenly heard rapid-fire shots. Several police cars could then be seen chasing the black car, he reported.
The FBI responded to the scene, and a helicopter landed in front of the Capitol to medevac the injured officer.
A message from the Capitol Police ordered anyone in a House office to "shelter in place," but that order was lifted a short time later.
The House recessed, and the Senate went into a quorum call — dispensing momentarily with its official business — shortly thereafter.
"We've locked the doors. We closed the window shades. And we are awaiting further instructions," Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) told MSNBC during the lockdown. "We're more or less cut off here. We're watching TV and just trying to figure out what happened."
Though it was over quickly, nerves were still jangled.
"Shaken is a good word to describe how I'm feeling," said Peter Plocki, a government worker furloughed during the shutdown who was on Capitol Hill to take a tour of the Supreme Court building and heard the shots.
The House reconvened at 3:30 p.m., and Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, asked for a brief moment of silence in tribute to members of the Capitol Police injured in the incident. The House immediately pivoted back to debate over a small stopgap bill to reinstate funding for veterans' affairs.
Congress has been locked for the past week and a half in a contentious debate over funding the government, a disagreement in which contributed to a government shutdown that began Monday.
To bad it wasnt actually an active shooter in the House.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 03:03:25 PM
To bad it wasnt actually an active shooter in the House.
:yawn:
See 11Bravo star in his all new one-man show, 'Waiting for McVeigh'! Two shows daily at the Ruby Ridge Dinner Theater, with matinees on Sunday and Wednesday! Get your tickets now!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:14:16 PM
See 11Bravo star in his all new one-man show, 'Waiting for McVeigh'! Two shows daily at the Ruby Ridge Dinner Theater, with matinees on Sunday and Wednesday! Get your tickets now!
But, but where's your sterotype on this one Sparky? The navy yard shooting didnt pan out either for ya.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 03:16:40 PM
But, but where's your sterotype on this one Sparky? The navy yard shooting didnt pan out either for ya.
So I thought Navy Yard was crazy white dude. Turned out to be crazy black dude. Well color me busted at the OTB.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:14:16 PM
See 11Bravo star in his all new one-man show, 'Waiting for McVeigh'! Two shows daily at the Ruby Ridge Dinner Theater, with matinees on Sunday and Wednesday! Get your tickets now!
I don't see how someone wishing a White House shooter had targeted the House instead can be construed as a McVeigh militia wingnut.
Seedy: grasping at straws since 2002.
Fingers crossed until we hear more about the shooter.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 03:20:21 PM
I don't see how someone wishing a White House shooter had targeted the House instead can be construed as a McVeigh militia wingnut.
Anybody wishing an active shooter at the House deserves to be construed as any nut I feel like construing.
I'm not a big fan of the House either, but I'm not wishing active shootings in it. 11Bravo wants to be a tasteless dickhead, he's going to be treated as such.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
Anybody wishing an active shooter at the House deserves to be construed as any nut I feel like construing.
Nope.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
I'm not a big fan of the House either, but I'm not wishing active shootings in it.
:yes: Active shootings are too chaotic.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
Anybody wishing an active shooter at the House deserves to be construed as any nut I feel like construing.
Nope.
Yup.
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 03:24:32 PM
Fingers crossed until we hear more about the shooter.
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 03:24:32 PM
Fingers crossed until we hear more about the shooter.
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
Probably, but let's not lose hope just yet.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
My money is on 2 parts pure and 1 part politicized.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
My money is on 2 parts pure and 1 part politicized.
1 part furloughed fed employee.
Quick, a random Euro needs to jump into this thread an make random assumptions. :bowler:
Oops, forgot to play my part:
I'm betting the woman was driven so mad be the 404errors on the new Obamcare websites, that she decided to go and complain to the president in person.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
With the lack of affordable child care, more people are compelled to bring their children with them to work or running errands and security barriers.
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 03, 2013, 03:34:45 PM
1 part furloughed fed employee.
A furloughee shouldn't be shooting up the White House.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 03:20:21 PM
I don't see how someone wishing a White House shooter had targeted the House instead can be construed as a McVeigh militia wingnut.
Anybody wishing an active shooter at the House deserves to be construed as any nut I feel like construing.
I'm not a big fan of the House either, but I'm not wishing active shootings in it. 11Bravo wants to be a tasteless dickhead, he's going to be treated as such.
Something you excel at on a daily basis.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:35:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
With the lack of affordable child care, more people are compelled to bring their children with them to work or running errands and security barriers.
Why would they run a security barrier? You should take your own advice.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 03:03:25 PM
To bad it wasnt actually an active shooter in the House.
Sure, turn the eye of the war dogs on Languish.
I hope you enjoy your NSA probing.
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
I'm not a big fan of the House either, but I'm not wishing active shootings in it.
:yes: Active shootings are too chaotic.
How many teabaggers are packin heat though. Especially the Texas nutjobs.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 03, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 03:03:25 PM
To bad it wasnt actually an active shooter in the House.
Sure, turn the eye of the war dogs on Languish.
I hope you enjoy your NSA probing.
Their furloughed.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:35:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
With the lack of affordable child care, more people are compelled to bring their children with them to work or running errands and security barriers.
Why would they run a security barrier? You should take your own advice.
She tried to run a security barrier according to the news. I'm not really making that much of a stretch there.
Every with tactical guys all over and running from a scene, Mr. Man's still gotta check his phone.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVrdjJTCEAA06pk.jpg)
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 03, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
I hope you enjoy your NSA probing.
Their furloughed.
"They're furloughed" or "they are furloughed" would be acceptable.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
Every Even with tactical guys all over and running from a scene, Mr. Man's still gotta check his phone.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVrdjJTCEAA06pk.jpg)
:lol: One must have their priorities
Fixed it for you. Mr. Grammer.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
:lol: One must have their priorities
Fixed it for you. Mr. Grammer.
Mr. Grammar :smarty:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:35:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Baby in car? I'd lean more to pure crazy as opposed to politicized crazy.
With the lack of affordable child care, more people are compelled to bring their children with them to work or running errands and security barriers.
Why would they run a security barrier? You should take your own advice.
She tried to run a security barrier according to the news. I'm not really making that much of a stretch there.
Because she didnt have child care??? :huh:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
11Bravo wants to be a tasteless dickhead
Of course. Why else post here?
Quote from: dps on October 03, 2013, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
11Bravo wants to be a tasteless dickhead
Of course. Why else post here?
jeez, I havent made a post of substance since 2003. You'd think he would have got that by now. :P
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2013, 04:25:01 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
:lol: One must have their priorities
Fixed it for you. Mr. Grammer.
Mr. Grammar :smarty:
:lol: Damn it Meri.
Quote from: dps on October 03, 2013, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
11Bravo wants to be a tasteless dickhead
Of course. Why else post here?
:huh: I use Languish to give the nicer side of me a workout.
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
:huh: I use Languish to give the nicer side of me a workout.
Why all the tracksuits if Languish Guller is the Jewish part?
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2013, 04:25:01 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
:lol: One must have their priorities
Fixed it for you. Mr. Grammer.
Mr. Grammar :smarty:
LOL TAKES OUT BOTH OF US
Because it's a woman it must be a crazy person? For shame.
Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2013, 04:42:58 PM
Because it's a woman it must be a crazy person? For shame.
Now that's down right mean and sterotypical. :P
Obama should use this incident to invoke his emergency powers and begin arresting his political enemies.
Quote from: Kleves on October 03, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
Obama should use this incident to envoke his emergency powers and begin arresting his political enemies.
FEMA is already out doing that, I hear.
Quote from: derspiess on October 03, 2013, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: Kleves on October 03, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
Obama should use this incident to envoke his emergency powers and begin arresting his political enemies.
FEMA is already out doing that, I hear.
Speaking of FEMA - apparently there's a hurricane warning for Louisiana and the Northern Gulf Coast. Let's hope it doesn't turn into something nasty, and if it does it does so after the government is no longer shut down.
Does Obama care about black people?
I suspect that if the capitol hill guards were part of the shutdown it would be resolved pretty quickly.
She messed up at least one cop car:
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We don't really know enough to speculate on do we? :unsure:
To my unprofessional eye the police seemed to have applied an appropriate level of restraint, not having shot the shit out of her and the car in the first instance.
Of course if it turns out she was driving a failed suicide car bomb, no doubt the media will be all over them. :hmm:
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
Of course if it turns out she was driving a failed suicide car bomb, no doubt the media will be all over them. :hmm:
White House has vehicle barriers all around it.
This is a very odd story. I imagine by the time we've more facts it'll be quite a sad one too.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 03, 2013, 06:19:56 PM
This is a very odd story. I imagine by the time we've more facts it'll be quite a sad one too.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
Of course if it turns out she was driving a failed suicide car bomb, no doubt the media will be all over them. :hmm:
White House has vehicle barriers all around it.
No doubt, I figure the White House has to be one of the very best protected buildings in the world.
But the way these death cult teams operate in Iraq and Afghanistan, we see an initial truck or car bomb, followed by 2/3 or more suicide bombers and then rifle armed insurgents used as they seek to penetrate each successive layer of a target's defences.
So I think a car bomb doesn't fail if it only detonates 100 yards from the core target, it's could be part of a combined assault.
Though as we know, even if this woman were a terrorist, then it appears she acted alone.
Quote from: Jacob on October 03, 2013, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 03, 2013, 06:19:56 PM
This is a very odd story. I imagine by the time we've more facts it'll be quite a sad one too.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Yes, given it involves a small child, it cannot be otherwise, whatever the woman's motivations, mental state or degree of miscommunication involved in the incident.
Just saw a pic of the lady. She's black. As I said last week after the Navy Yard thing, ban black people. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on October 03, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
Just saw a pic of the lady. She's black. As I said last week after the Navy Yard thing, ban black people. :mad:
Show us.
Why would I lie about that? :huh:
Anyway: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shots-fired-u-s-capitol-report-article-1.1475378 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shots-fired-u-s-capitol-report-article-1.1475378)
Don't enable the lazy. Make him bootstrap his google searches Cal.
This photo is quite tense:
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Quote from: Caliga on October 03, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
Just saw a pic of the lady. She's black. As I said last week after the Navy Yard thing, ban black people. :mad:
Seedy is going to be all in a twit. His sterotypes are being dashed. :lol:
Quote from: Caliga on October 03, 2013, 07:56:12 PM
Why would I lie about that? :huh:
Anyway: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shots-fired-u-s-capitol-report-article-1.1475378 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shots-fired-u-s-capitol-report-article-1.1475378)
That will disappoint quite a few people, some of them here.
I bet she was snapping her fingers as she rammed the barricade. OH NO SHE DIDN'T
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442703/Miriam-Carey-Woman-killed-outside-Capitol-Hill-trying-ram-gates-White-House.html
Doesn't look like a wingnut.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2013, 08:30:32 PM
I bet she was snapping her fingers as she rammed the barricade. OH NO SHE DIDN'T
D'INT
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2013, 08:30:32 PM
I bet she was snapping her fingers as she rammed the barricade. OH NO SHE DIDN'T
D'INT
I'm only trying to be mildly racist.
Also, how about them women drivers?
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2013, 09:01:16 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2013, 08:30:32 PM
I bet she was snapping her fingers as she rammed the barricade. OH NO SHE DIDN'T
D'INT
I'm only trying to be mildly racist.
Also, how about them women drivers?
She did a number on that patrol car.
Outran the coppers for 13 blocks, while changing her kid's diapers. That's pretty good driving.
This is why women should only be allowed out of the home escorted by a male relative.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 03, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
Just saw a pic of the lady. She's black. As I said last week after the Navy Yard thing, ban black people. :mad:
Seedy is going to be all in a twit. His sterotypes are being dashed. :lol:
Oh hells no. I knew the perp was black the moment they said it was an Infiniti.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
She did a number on that patrol car.
Actually, it was the cop that did a number on his own car. Hit a barricade by himself. It's great footage.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
She did a number on that patrol car.
Actually, it was the cop that did a number on his own car. Hit a barricade by himself. It's great footage.
:lol: Ouch
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 08:56:59 PM
Doesn't look like a wingnut.
Certainly doesnt.
Wild guess, neither of you work in the mental health profession ?
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:14:20 PM
Wild guess, neither of you work in the mental health profession ?
Is that a requirement for having an opinion on whether someone looks like a wingnut?
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
She did a number on that patrol car.
Actually, it was the cop that did a number on his own car. Hit a barricade by himself. It's great footage.
:lol: Ouch
Yeah, makes you wonder: if you're on duty but not being paid, are you still responsible for departmentals?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:14:20 PM
Wild guess, neither of you work in the mental health profession ?
Is that a requirement for having an opinion on whether someone looks like a wingnut?
Or maybe wingnuts don't reliably have a 'look' ?
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:44:12 PM
Or maybe wingnuts don't reliably have a 'look' ?
And you of course know that because you are a mental health professional.
BOOYAH
SHAZAAM!
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:14:20 PM
Wild guess, neither of you work in the mental health profession ?
Is that a requirement for having an opinion on whether someone looks like a wingnut?
Or maybe wingnuts don't reliably have a 'look' ?
Oh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
Just ask Seedy.
Forgot the bible.
Don't always drive trucks, either.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:47:52 PMOh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
Just ask Seedy.
Well, when it comes to "active shooter" scenarios they are usually male; that much seems to be true.
I heard on one of the news shows that her husband said that she has a history of mental illness.
That poor family. :(
Quote from: Jacob on October 03, 2013, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:47:52 PMOh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
Just ask Seedy.
Well, when it comes to "active shooter" scenarios they are usually male; that much seems to be true.
11B's just sore that the darkies are leaving their usual low profile inner-city murdering behind, and starting to horn in on yet another traditional white profession: the high-profile shooting. Damn progressiveness, ruining America.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: Jacob on October 03, 2013, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:47:52 PMOh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
Just ask Seedy.
Well, when it comes to "active shooter" scenarios they are usually male; that much seems to be true.
11B's just sore that the darkies are leaving their usual low profile inner-city murdering behind, and starting to horn in on yet another traditional white profession: the high-profile shooting. Damn progressiveness, ruining America.
:mad: Fuck, cant have nothing exclusive these days. :P
Quote from: Jacob on October 03, 2013, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:47:52 PMOh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
Just ask Seedy.
Well, when it comes to "active shooter" scenarios they are usually male; that much seems to be true.
It sounds like she was a passive shooter, all the shots were fired by police from what I read.
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 10:11:03 PM
It sounds like she was a passive shooter, all the shots were fired by police from what I read.
I thought she let off a couple rounds first.
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Jacob on October 03, 2013, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:47:52 PMOh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
Just ask Seedy.
Well, when it comes to "active shooter" scenarios they are usually male; that much seems to be true.
It sounds like she was a passive shooter, all the shots were fired by police from what I read.
Yea.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 10:11:03 PM
It sounds like she was a passive shooter, all the shots were fired by police from what I read.
I thought she let off a couple rounds first.
CNN
QuoteShe had a 1-year-old child inside and apparently was unarmed.
Instead, the motorist's black Infiniti, according to authorities, itself became a weapon Thursday afternoon, first striking a security barrier and U.S. Secret Service officer near the White House before hurtling down some of the capital's most famous streets, police cruisers in pursuit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 10:11:03 PM
It sounds like she was a passive shooter, all the shots were fired by police from what I read.
I thought she let off a couple rounds first.
Those were initial reports. They could say that she set up a mortar and started lobbing shells at the White House, and those reports would still be not any more inaccurate that average initial reports.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:47:52 PM
Oh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
A Republican that rides a bike? I don't believe such a thing exists. :wacko:
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 10:19:35 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 03, 2013, 10:11:03 PM
It sounds like she was a passive shooter, all the shots were fired by police from what I read.
I thought she let off a couple rounds first.
Those were initial reports. They could say that she set up a mortar and started lobbing shells at the White House, and those reports would still be not any more inaccurate that average initial reports.
She was just attempting to break the legislative-executive logjam ? :unsure:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2013, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 03, 2013, 09:47:52 PM
Oh yes they do! They're male, white, 19-34 y/o, love guns, Republican, wear a ball cap, drive a truck, hunt, fish, ride a bike....etc.
A Republican that rides a bike? I don't believe such a thing exists. :wacko:
For hunting, yes.
From the article linked by Cal:
Quote"I'm pretty confident this was not an accident," said Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier.
Gee, ya think? Glad to know the D.C. cops have such insightful leadership at the top.
Did they locate the father of the child?
Quote from: dps on October 03, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
From the article linked by Cal:
Quote"I'm pretty confident this was not an accident," said Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier.
Gee, ya think? Glad to know the D.C. cops have such insightful leadership at the top.
Well, she was gunned down because her driving was perceived to be a threat to life. It seems important enough to establish that those actions were indeed deliberate, and not an accident that got out of control by over-reaction.
Agree.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 03, 2013, 10:45:29 PM
Did they locate the father of the child?
One presumes that her husband is the father of the child.
so, it was black chick with a good job. apparently all th languish stereotypes about crazy white teabaggers are failing. twice in a row it had been black people.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 03, 2013, 10:45:29 PM
Did they locate the father of the child?
he works in a white building and is married to another woman with whom he got 2 girls. his office is oval.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
Every with tactical guys all over and running from a scene, Mr. Man's still gotta check his phone.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVrdjJTCEAA06pk.jpg)
somebody should train that dude in tactical security. you don't let random people walk behind you, and you always have someone watching your back. guy activates suicide vest with cellphone....
Quote from: Siege on October 04, 2013, 04:43:27 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 03, 2013, 10:45:29 PM
Did they locate the father of the child?
he works in a white building and is married to another woman with whom he got 2 girls. his office is oval.
Very droll.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2013, 09:45:47 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:44:12 PM
Or maybe wingnuts don't reliably have a 'look' ?
And you of course know that because you are a mental health professional.
BOOYAH
SHAZAAM!
:lol:
Quote from: Jacob on October 03, 2013, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 03, 2013, 10:45:29 PM
Did they locate the father of the child?
One presumes that her husband is the father of the child.
Do we even know that the baby in the car was hers?
I don't think that this shooting is going to be seen as justified once it gets looked at with clearer heads. It didn't seem right even last night before seeing more of what went down. Started with a wild car chase from a confused woman at a barricade, then the cops shooting at the car which could have killed some tourists/bystanders , as it was moving away from the White House and Pennsylvania Ave, so not a threat to the WH. The car was stopped, smashed, and then the cops riddled the thing with bullets. I usually side with the police but to me this looks like a cluster fuck. To be fair I'll be waiting to see what more comes out about the incident but really, it seems a pretty ugly situation for the cops.
Quote from: KRonn on October 04, 2013, 06:46:03 AM
I don't think that this shooting is going to be seen as justified once it gets looked at with clearer heads. It didn't seem right even last night before seeing more of what went down. Started with a wild car chase from a confused woman at a barricade, then the cops shooting at the car which could have killed some tourists/bystanders , as it was moving away from the White House and Pennsylvania Ave, so not a threat to the WH. The car was stopped, smashed, and then the cops riddled the thing with bullets. I usually side with the police but to me this looks like a cluster fuck. To be fair I'll be waiting to see what more comes out about the incident but really, it seems a pretty ugly situation for the cops.
I agree that it will probably be seen in retrospect that the final barrage of bullets was unnecessary, but, to be fair to the cops, the woman's car had already been stopped, smashed, and then the woman started up again and ran down a cop. Turns out he wasn't badly hurt, but they didn't know that at the time.
So, it will definitely be an ugly situation in terms of Monday-morning quarterbacking, but it will be interesting to see if any of the usual media suspects can keep in mind that the police on the scene didn't have the luxury of making decisions using hindsight. If it turns out that mistakes were made even based on what the decision-makers knew at the time, then heads should roll.
Quote from: dps on October 04, 2013, 06:35:46 AM
Do we even know that the baby in the car was hers?
You can't really dust for motherhood.
Countdown to Al Sharpton's involvement in 10... 9... 8... :sleep:
You know, that post-partum depression stuff is scary as hell. I have a hard time thinking of it as "depression" when it can create such psychotic episodes in people.
QuoteSTAMFORD, Conn. — The driver of the black Infiniti had a toddler with her, confounding everyone who watched the car crash through barriers and lead police through the heart of high-security Washington.
Law enforcement officials said the vehicle was registered to a 34-year-old mother named Miriam Carey, a dental hygienist from Stamford, Conn. They think it was Carey, with her 1-year-old daughter sitting behind her, who flattened barricades outside the White House, struck officers and then set off at high speed down Pennsylvania Avenue.
D.C. police confirmed that the driver was shot and killed after careening around the Capitol grounds and crashing at Second Street NE. There was no sign that she was armed, police said. Video images showed a young child, her hair in braids, being carried by an officer to the back of a patrol car.
The initial portrait of Carey that emerged suggested a person unlikely to be found at the center of such violent drama. Carey, according to public documents, friends and family members, had finished college and established a work history as a dental hygienist.
ABC News quoted Carey's mother as saying that Carey suffered from post-partum depression after her child was born, but there was scant additional information available about psychological struggles or mental breaks she may have experienced. Miriam Carey's sister, Amy Carey, was incredulous when a reporter told her what had happened.
"That's impossible. She works, she holds a job," said Amy Carey, a nurse who lives in Brooklyn. "She wouldn't be in D.C. She was just in Connecticut two days ago, I spoke to her."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
Oh hells no. I knew the perp was black the moment they said it was an Infiniti.
All the Infiniti drivers I know are white. In fact, my wife wants one. :huh:
Drastically overpriced for what you get IMO. :hmm:
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 04, 2013, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
Oh hells no. I knew the perp was black the moment they said it was an Infiniti.
All the Infiniti drivers I know are white. In fact, my wife wants one. :huh:
Depends on whether it has gold logo/accent.
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2013, 08:50:05 AM
Depends on whether it has gold logo/accent.
Wait, are you talking about cars still?
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 08:15:31 AM
You know, that post-partum depression stuff is scary as hell. I have a hard time thinking of it as "depression" when it can create such psychotic episodes in people.
QuoteSTAMFORD, Conn. — The driver of the black Infiniti had a toddler with her, confounding everyone who watched the car crash through barriers and lead police through the heart of high-security Washington.
Law enforcement officials said the vehicle was registered to a 34-year-old mother named Miriam Carey, a dental hygienist from Stamford, Conn. They think it was Carey, with her 1-year-old daughter sitting behind her, who flattened barricades outside the White House, struck officers and then set off at high speed down Pennsylvania Avenue.
D.C. police confirmed that the driver was shot and killed after careening around the Capitol grounds and crashing at Second Street NE. There was no sign that she was armed, police said. Video images showed a young child, her hair in braids, being carried by an officer to the back of a patrol car.
The initial portrait of Carey that emerged suggested a person unlikely to be found at the center of such violent drama. Carey, according to public documents, friends and family members, had finished college and established a work history as a dental hygienist.
ABC News quoted Carey's mother as saying that Carey suffered from post-partum depression after her child was born, but there was scant additional information available about psychological struggles or mental breaks she may have experienced. Miriam Carey's sister, Amy Carey, was incredulous when a reporter told her what had happened.
"That's impossible. She works, she holds a job," said Amy Carey, a nurse who lives in Brooklyn. "She wouldn't be in D.C. She was just in Connecticut two days ago, I spoke to her."
That's something separate. There is a condition called Post-Partum Psychosis, but is usually found in people who already prone to psychotic episodes.
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2013, 08:50:05 AM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 04, 2013, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
Oh hells no. I knew the perp was black the moment they said it was an Infiniti.
All the Infiniti drivers I know are white. In fact, my wife wants one. :huh:
Depends on whether it has gold logo/accent.
MAH GOLDS PACKAGE
Quote from: Razgovory on October 04, 2013, 09:15:06 AM
That's something separate. There is a condition called Post-Partum Psychosis, but is usually found in people who already prone to psychotic episodes.
I've never heard of that before. Whenever you hear of a woman who's recently given birth and goes on a murderous rampage, the media refer to it as post-partum depression. And every time I think, "Um.... yeah... need a better term for that."
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 04, 2013, 09:15:06 AM
That's something separate. There is a condition called Post-Partum Psychosis, but is usually found in people who already prone to psychotic episodes.
I've never heard of that before. Whenever you hear of a woman who's recently given birth and goes on a murderous rampage, the media refer to it as post-partum depression. And every time I think, "Um.... yeah... need a better term for that."
Heh, Raz is right - like you, I've never heard of it before.
Well, learn something new every day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_depression
QuotePostpartum psychosis is a separate mental health disorder which is sometimes erroneously referred to as postpartum depression. It is less common than PPD, and it involves the onset of psychotic symptoms that may include thought disturbances, delusions, hallucinations and/or disorganized speech or behavior. The prevalence of postpartum psychosis in the general population is 1–2 per 1,000 childbirths, however the rate is 100 times higher in women with bipolar disorder or a previous history of postpartum psychosis. Bipolar disorder and, to a lesser extent, schizophrenia have elevated prevalences in postpartum psychosis.[10] Previous research looked at the relationship between childbirth and postpartum psychosis. Using data on 54,000 births over a 12-year period, researchers found that psychiatric admissions were seven times more likely in the first 30 days after childbirth than in the prepregnancy period and among patients who developed postpartum psychosis after childbirth, 72%–80% had bipolar disorder or schizoaffective disorder and 12% had schizophrenia. Indicators of a possible bipolar diagnosis include a history of missed or misdiagnosed mood episodes, any previous mania or hypomania, and a family history of bipolar disorder or postpartum psychosis.[10]
Treatment for Postnatal Psychosis is essential; it will not go away without medical attention.[5]
I didn't doubt Raz; I'd just never heard of it.
1-2 out of every 1000 births. That's... a lot. And since there are an awful lot of women living with undiagnosed bi-polar, it could explain all of the "I would never thought it of her!" comments after these things happen.
Again I say, that's some scary stuff.
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 04, 2013, 09:15:06 AM
That's something separate. There is a condition called Post-Partum Psychosis, but is usually found in people who already prone to psychotic episodes.
I've never heard of that before. Whenever you hear of a woman who's recently given birth and goes on a murderous rampage, the media refer to it as post-partum depression. And every time I think, "Um.... yeah... need a better term for that."
The media throws around psychology terms inaccurately. For instance when ever a soldier or former solider displays signs of instability they call it PTSD.
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 08:45:19 AM
Drastically overpriced for what you get IMO. :hmm:
I agree, which is why I want to buy her a 3 - 4 year old one when the time comes. She wants new, of course. :rolleyes:
I, meanwhile, am content with my 11 year old Acura. At least until major systems failure starts. :P
The few times I've been in an Acura I got the impression they just added a little extra trim to a base Honda.
Not that there's anything wrong with a little extra trim. :perv:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 04, 2013, 10:57:14 AM
The few times I've been in an Acura I got the impression they just added a little extra trim to a base Honda.
You are correct.
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 04, 2013, 10:57:14 AM
The few times I've been in an Acura I got the impression they just added a little extra trim to a base Honda.
You are correct.
Indeed, which is why I bought mine when it was four years old and the Acura premium had worn off. :P
I'm leaning toward my next car being a 'vette, Mustang, or Charger. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 08:45:19 AM
Drastically overpriced for what you get IMO. :hmm:
:huh: My impression was the opposite, though of course I was comparing it with German cars.
I'm leaning towards an Audi TDI or a Lincoln MKZ hybrid at the moment. The price on the TDI is pretty steep, though, and the gas mileage is a bit worse than I expected though pretty good for a car of that size.
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
I'm leaning toward my next car being a 'vette, Mustang, or Charger. :cool:
Mid-life crisis?
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
I'm leaning toward my next car being a 'vette, Mustang, or Charger. :cool:
Heh, I drove a charger for a month or so after my wife totalled our car. It was the car the insurance company gave us.
It was fun, but an absurd gas-guzzler. :D Absurdly overpowered. Felt like driving a guided missile.
Quote from: Malthus on October 04, 2013, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
I'm leaning toward my next car being a 'vette, Mustang, or Charger. :cool:
Heh, I drove a charger for a month or so after my wife totalled our car. It was the car the insurance company gave us.
It was fun, but an absurd gas-guzzler. :D Absurdly overpowered. Felt like driving a guided missile.
Charger? Guided? :yeahright:
Thing I didn't like about the Charger was it's too quiet.
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
I'm leaning toward my next car being a 'vette, Mustang, or Charger. :cool:
Find you one of the newer challengers. Fuck the charger.
Yeah, I like those also.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 04, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
I'm leaning toward my next car being a 'vette, Mustang, or Charger. :cool:
Mid-life crisis?
Not exactly. I just need even more power so I can drive around all the slow-ass redneck drivers. My current V6 just ain't enough. :(
I love my Challenger. :cool:
She's black and I ride her hard.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 04, 2013, 04:08:30 PM
I love my Challenger. :cool:
She's black and I ride her hard.
All Cal-mobiles must be black. :bowler:
Pretty soon, I'll lock her in the garage and cover her up for Winter. :(
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 04, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
I'm leaning toward my next car being a 'vette, Mustang, or Charger. :cool:
Mid-life crisis?
Not exactly. I just need even more power so I can drive around all the slow-ass redneck drivers. My current V6 just ain't enough. :(
Join them, get a red F250 with a 9 inch lift and 42 inch tires. Don't forget the 8x8 confederate flag.
Quote from: Caliga on October 04, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
Not exactly. I just need even more power so I can drive around all the slow-ass redneck drivers. My current V6 just ain't enough. :(
My 260hp V6 burns most people off the line. Nice throttle response, too.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 04, 2013, 04:12:30 PM
Pretty soon, I'll lock her in the garage and cover her up for Winter. :(
That's just takin care of the ole girl. Got to be pampered.
MAH MOPAR!
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 04, 2013, 04:24:53 PM
Join them, get a red F250 with a 9 inch lift and 42 inch tires. Don't forget the 8x8 confederate flag.
We already have an SUV so I don't see the need for a truck, too. :hmm:
Quote from: 11B4V on October 04, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
MAH MOPAR!
:lol: Just not the same, though. It's not 1972 anymore. :(
All this talk of new muscle cars, I'm torn about the Camaro; it's totally boss fully loaded, but man, does it scream White Trash.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2013, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on October 04, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
MAH MOPAR!
:lol: Just not the same, though. It's not 1972 anymore. :(
All this talk of new muscle cars, I'm torn about the Camaro; it's totally boss fully loaded, but man, does it scream White Trash.
:cry: days long gone for sure.
I dont like expensive cars. Honda, Toyota or Hyundai is all you need.
Socialist.
He's a traitor! Or is he? Is he even a citizen here?