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Title: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20423763-wisconsin-golf-clubs-911-special-deemed-out-of-bounds?lite

QuoteWisconsin golf club's 9/11 special deemed out of bounds

A Wisconsin golf course owner who advertised nine holes of golf for $9.11 to mark the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks apologized Tuesday but said he would keep the club open despite a backlash that included death threats.

Tumbledown Trails Golf Course near Madison advertised the special in the Wisconsin State Journal newspaper on Monday, saying it was intended to commemorate the 12th anniversary of the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people. The discount, which also included 18 holes of golf for $19.11, was good for the anniversary on Wednesday only.

News of the offer spread on social media and the golf course's Facebook page was overrun with negative comments. Owner and general manager Marc Watts said he received death threats and threats to burn down the family-operated public golf course. The sheriff's department sent a deputy there Tuesday and Watts said another officer will be back on Wednesday.

"We're a little hurt by the fact that people are putting such a negative context on this," Watts said. "I thought people would appreciate it."

The promotion actually began two years ago, on the 10th anniversary of the attacks, and until now was warmly received as a way to ensure people never forget the tragedy, Watts said.

This year, after the newspaper ad circulated on social media, Watts said the club's phone has been ringing off the hook.


Watts apologized Monday night on Facebook and was personally fielding calls on Tuesday, saying there was no intention to cause offense. He considered closing the 20-year-old golf course Wednesday because of safety concerns, but decided to keep it open despite the threats.

"We could close, but then all these people with their negative attitudes, they win," he said.

Watts also won support from golfers such as Colleen Savage, who said the whole thing was a misunderstanding.

"I'm quite shocked," Savage said after playing nine holes on the course Tuesday. "I definitely think it's blown out of proportion."

This is not the first time that promotions tied to 9-11 have drawn criticism.

Last year the Coeur d'Alene Casino Resort Hotel in Worley, Idaho, offered hotel rooms for $91.11 and a food voucher for $9.11 as a "Thank you to our heroes."

Two years ago New York Sports Club offered 9-11 first-responders cheap memberships, drawing outrage from some who were targeted for the discount who said it a shameless use of a national tragedy to make money.

While offering a reduced price on Sept. 11 is more apt to offend someone than doing the same thing on Veterans Day, the Wisconsin golf club promotion could have been much worse, said Kathleen Culver, associate director of the Center for Journalism Ethics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

"You have a small business that's woven into the community, they were doing a promotion, thought they were commemorating 9-11, they ran it and it blew back on them," Culver said. "They apologized. Really, does the story need to go any further?"
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: merithyn on September 11, 2013, 08:43:40 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:39:07 AM

"You have a small business that's woven into the community, they were doing a promotion, thought they were commemorating 9-11, they ran it and it blew back on them," Culver said. "They apologized. Really, does the story need to go any further?"

No, it doesn't.

It's tacky, but certainly not worth all of this hullabaloo.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:46:47 AM
On a different note, I liked this story.

http://news.yahoo.com/first-person-9-11s-ashes-love-building-rises-165900823.html

QuoteI stepped out of my apartment in downtown Jersey City on Sept. 11, 2001, and looked across the river down to the twin towers and thought to myself, What a beautiful day. I walked over to work, about 10 minutes away, and the next thing I saw, the top of one of the buildings was on fire, by the time I got to my desk, I heard an "Oh my god" -- that was when the second plane hit. This glorious day just turned tragic.

I went home that night and all I could hear were the fighter jets flying overhead and the smell of smoke over my apartment that would go on for more than a month. I volunteered at the sight for a couple of days, and it was a strange experience: The area was quiet and covered in ash. On the bucket brigade, the smell of burning metal, chemicals and flesh hung in the air. Everyone who volunteered the first few days had hope, hope that we would find someone alive and then the hope faded away.

My son was born in April 2007, and although there was lots of talk of rebuilding, there were also a lot of delays. The World Financial Center, across the street from the World Trade Center was back, Wall Street was humming and a smaller office building was close to completed.

A couple of years later, the memorial had opened and my son was turning 3; he was also learning sign language in school and although we lived further away, we had a great view of the Freedom Tower going up. As it got taller and taller, construction workers added cranes to the top of the building and one to the side. My son seeing this structure emerge from the horizon one day says to me, "Dad look, there is the I Love You Building." I looked at him and he gestured with the universal "I love you" sign for the deaf: your thumb out and your forefinger and pinky pointing straight up -- much like the cranes on the building. I looked at him and smiled and said, "Yes, Evan, that is the I Love You Building."

The cranes are down now and the tower is almost complete. Someday I'll be telling my son the story of the World Trade Center, but for now, all he knows is that building represents love, and I like it that way.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 11, 2013, 08:50:46 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:46:47 AM
On a different note, I liked this story.

http://news.yahoo.com/first-person-9-11s-ashes-love-building-rises-165900823.html
Aww  ... that's sweet
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: merithyn on September 11, 2013, 08:52:50 AM
:) That is a sweet story. Thanks for sharing it, g. :hug:
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: fhdz on September 11, 2013, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: merithyn on September 11, 2013, 08:43:40 AM
It's tacky, but certainly not worth all of this hullabaloo.

The West wins against terrorism by being able to be tacky about it.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:55:48 AM
Last week the Onion provided us with this:

QuoteNew Subway Promotion To Honor Subtember 11

Citing a wide range of deals customers will "never forget," fast food chain Subway announced an exciting new promotion this week to honor and commemorate Subtember 11. "With a number of terrific discounts on special sandwiches as well as our classic footlongs, you'll always remember where you were on Subtember 11," Subway president Fred DeLuca told reporters, referring to Subway's special promotion in which, for a limited time only, visitors of the restaurant's tens of thousands of franchise locations will be able to "fly on in" and pick up two footlong subs of their choice for only $9.11. "From the Structural Steel Melt on Tower 7–Grain bread to the Twin Chowers cold cut combo with Ground Zero–Carb vinaigrette on a Let's Whole Wheat Roll, we've got something for everybody this Subtember 11." DeLuca added that the special promotion will be "first responders, first served."
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Ed Anger on September 11, 2013, 08:59:55 AM
Speaking of Subway, they had a mini-resturant that was able to go up each floor of the new building as it was being constructed.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120127/REAL_ESTATE/120129899#
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Caliga on September 11, 2013, 01:32:56 PM
I think it's kind of creepy to do commercial promotions around 9/11.  I mean, I realize that marketing people typically have no conscience or brains or both, but still... :hmm:
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 11, 2013, 01:44:05 PM
The kind of promotion that works is "for every pizza you buy, we will donate to $1 to the United American First Responders with Leukemia League."
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
Another way not to do it:

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Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: crazy canuck on September 11, 2013, 01:53:01 PM
It sad that our usual anniversary thread is now about stupid adertising.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sbr on September 11, 2013, 02:09:08 PM
I can't wait until 9/11 Memorial Day is moved to the second Monday in September so we can have a 3 day weekend and a tire sale.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: lustindarkness on September 11, 2013, 02:19:21 PM
Any promotion using 9/11 or any other remembrance holiday piss me off, but businesses have the right to be insensitive and we have the right not to buy their product and/or services.

9/11 changed our life; mine and my family's in pretty drastic ways, lives were lost and have been lost since then because of it.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2013, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 11, 2013, 01:53:01 PM
It sad that our usual anniversary thread is now about stupid adertising.

Hey I threw in a cute story too.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2013, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 11, 2013, 02:09:08 PM
I can't wait until 9/11 Memorial Day is moved to the second Monday in September so we can have a 3 day weekend and a tire sale.

It'll still never beat several retailers' traditional White Sale on Martin Luther King Jr's Birthday.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:36:46 PM
They sell white people? Where can I get one?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2013, 08:37:25 PM
If only.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:38:25 PM
:(
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2013, 01:10:00 AM
Here's a 9/11 anniversary celebration everybody can get behind:  MOAR BENGHAZI PLZ

QuoteOn Anniversary of Benghazi Attacks, Issa Honors Heroes and Announces Hearing for Next Week
September 11, 2013

WASHINGTON – House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., today released the following statement commemorating the one year anniversary of the September 11, 2012 terror attacks in Benghazi and announcing a hearing with the Accountability Review Board co-chairs next Thursday, September 19th at 9:30 a.m.

"One year ago, four Americans were killed in a vicious and planned attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi. Today, we remember Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, and Tyrone S. Woods, who served their country honorably and died protecting it. We also remember their families and colleagues, who will always keenly feel their loss," Chairman Issa stated.

"The attack in Benghazi was a painful reminder that even a decade after September 11th there are still those who wish us harm, who would destroy our way of life and who are actively planning the next assault. The only way we can truly protect the lives of Americans at home and abroad is to be honest about the ongoing threats we face and tireless in our response to them. Yet in the year since Benghazi, we have seen a total lack of accountability from this Administration and many important questions have still not been answered. We still do not know who was in charge and making decisions the night of the attack nor do we know who was responsible for policy decisions that set a course seeking a smaller U.S. security presence in a dangerous environment.

"From denying the Committee access to survivors of the attack to refusing to turn over key documents, the Administration's continual reluctance to cooperate with our investigation is flatly unacceptable. Next week I will convene a hearing to receive testimony from the State Department's Accountability Review Board co-chairs, members of the Department's security panel that conducted a review, and family members who lost loved-ones in the attacks.  Considering that the State Department's 'accountability' review board has yielded no disciplinary action, none of the terrorists have been brought to justice, and we still don't have key answers about what happened before, during and after the attack, Benghazi remains an important and unresolved matter."
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Razgovory on September 12, 2013, 01:15:20 AM
He intends to celebrate by burning down something.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 13, 2013, 08:33:22 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/911-memorial-vandalized_n_3907660.html

Vandalism by cardboard. :(

QuoteLouisiana 9/11 Memorial Vandalized With Exploding Planes, Truther Images

A 9/11 memorial in Lafayette, La., was targeted by vandals on the eve of the 12th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

In a controversial bit of guerrilla "art," suspects attached two cardboard cutouts of planes exploding into the monument's model of the World Trade Center towers, KATC reported. The planes included references to the New World Order and the Eye of Providence, two popular themes among conspiracy theorists and truthers who question the details of the 9/11 attacks.

A viewer photo at KATC suggests a cartoon cutout of President George W. Bush was also found nearby. Police are reportedly searching for suspects.

The Lafayette monument includes three 13.5-foot beams from the fallen towers, used to create a 1-to-100 scale model of the World Trade Center. It also includes limestone panels from the Pentagon building and soil from the field in Shanksville, Pa., where Flight 93 crashed. The memorial was dedicated on Sept. 11, 2002, a year after the attacks.

Similar memorials have been defaced around the country in the past, sometimes in more malicious fashion. Earlier this year in New York, a group of young people tore off a plaque honoring local heroes from a monument and ripped down flags from the surrounding area. A few weeks later, vandals in Pennsylvania also pried off a bronze plaque from a Sept. 11 display.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: sbr on September 13, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
Why would Lafayette Louisiana have such a large 9/11 memorial?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: The Brain on September 13, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 13, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
Why would Lafayette Louisiana have such a large 9/11 memorial?

In pre-literary societies physical manifestations are important for collective memory.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 13, 2013, 11:02:25 AM
Those memorial vandals are pathetic fucks.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: lustindarkness on September 13, 2013, 11:07:53 AM
If I happen to witness vandalism of a memorial my PTSD may kick in.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: mongers on September 13, 2013, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 13, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
Why would Lafayette Louisiana have such a large 9/11 memorial?

I think the size of the beams dictates that any used in a memorial will make it a big affair.

As to why Lafayette has one I don't know.

Incidentally London had a similar memorial including one or two beams, and within a couple of years it was taken down, just recently found and they're now wandering what to do with it. 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 13, 2013, 02:44:07 PM
What did London do to deserve beams?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: mongers on September 13, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 13, 2013, 02:44:07 PM
What did London do to deserve beams?

They had a lot left over, so shipped them around the world? 

Google and there's some recent story about them I vaguely recall. 

edit:
maybe I'm right, though this story was a bit misleading until I got to the 2nd paragraph:
http://www.wane.com/news/9_11-beam-arrives-in-angola (http://www.wane.com/news/9_11-beam-arrives-in-angola)

QuoteA beam from one of the World Trade Center towers arrived in Angola Friday.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: garbon on September 13, 2013, 02:49:25 PM
Google says it was for the 67 Britons who died.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Sheilbh on September 17, 2013, 05:04:23 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 13, 2013, 02:44:07 PM
What did London do to deserve beams?
I think it was a charity raised money to buy it.

They've found permanent space for it in the Olympic park now :)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Pedrito on September 17, 2013, 05:58:41 AM
There's one 9/11 beam in a memorial in my hometown, too.

Although I appreciate it, I never understood why it arrived in Padua  :hmm:

Unless it is a scam, and in reality it's coming from a demolition site in Naples.

L.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Caliga on September 17, 2013, 06:58:03 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 17, 2013, 05:58:41 AM
Unless it is a scam, and in reality it's coming from a demolition site in Naples.
:yes:  The mayor of Padua was... encouraged to take it.  Installation cost: one million Euros. :)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Maladict on September 17, 2013, 07:10:53 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 17, 2013, 05:58:41 AM
There's one 9/11 beam in a memorial in my hometown, too.

Although I appreciate it, I never understood why it arrived in Padua  :hmm:

Unless it is a scam, and in reality it's coming from a demolition site in Naples.

L.

I saw one at the Biennale in 2002. Could be the same one.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: DGuller on September 17, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 13, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 13, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
Why would Lafayette Louisiana have such a large 9/11 memorial?

In pre-literary societies physical manifestations are important for collective memory.
:XD: