http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/07/america-in-the-1970s-new-york-city/100557/
QuoteToday marks the start of Documerica Week on In Focus -- a new photo essay each day, featuring regions of the U.S. covered by the photographers of the Documerica Project in the early 1970s. The Documerica Project was put together by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in 1971, with a primary goal of documenting adverse effects of modern life on the environment, but photographers were also encouraged to record the daily life of ordinary people, capturing a broad snapshot of America. Today's subject is New York City, an area covered by many photographers, showing some of the urban decay and congestion that helped prompt environmental legislation, as well as glimpses of New Yorkers at work and play. Stay tuned for part 2 of Documerica Week tomorrow, when we travel southwest.
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Same spot in Streetview: https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.703115,-73.989589&spn=0.002408,0.005678&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=40.703011,-73.989595&panoid=J191IJNb4vyd2UiuiLdjVw&cbp=12,7.81,,0,2.47
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They're all so thin. :Embarrass:
KRonn or gumbler, did these cars really look cool back then, or did they always give off this "piece of sloppy shit" vibe?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 22, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
They're all so thin. :Embarrass:
Yeah. Frank Cannon made up for that.
Quote from: Syt on July 22, 2013, 02:52:09 PM
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Is that a young Daryl McDaniels? :unsure:
(I can't tell if those are Adidas sneakers, that would be the only way to be sure.)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 22, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
They're all so thin. :Embarrass:
It's because of the drugs everyone took at the time.
The public phone booth one is great, what a flashback.
NYC in the 70s :x
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 22, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
They're all so thin. :Embarrass:
God, I know.
America's obesity epidemic is ruining my life. :(
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 22, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
They're all so thin. :Embarrass:
And the skirts so long.
NYC was a shit hole then and is a shit hole now.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 22, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
NYC was a shit hole then and is a shit hole now.
:yes: It's a different kind of shit hole, but it's still a shit hole. Very high cost of living for very low quality of life.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 22, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
They're all so thin. :Embarrass:
Somewhere along the line, a choice was made to make everyone well-off and comfortable. That's the price that must be paid.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 22, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
NYC was a shit hole then and is a shit hole now.
:yes: It's a different kind of shit hole, but it's still a shit hole. Very high cost of living for very low quality of life.
Good restaurants. BUt that's about as far as it goes.
:mmm:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 22, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 22, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
They're all so thin. :Embarrass:
And the skirts so long.
NYC was a shit hole then and is a shit hole now.
:rolleyes:
Okay, Masshole.
Quote from: sbr on July 22, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
The public phone booth one is great, what a flashback.
Just go to Quebec City and voila!
Quote from: garbon on July 22, 2013, 05:51:04 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 22, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
The public phone booth one is great, what a flashback.
Just go to Quebec City and voila!
I don't speak French, they wouldn't let me use the phones. :(
You're in luck as I don't either. :D
The first picture is in the middle of DUMBO, a tiny district in Brooklyn that experienced massive gentifrication starting around the late 90s. So that gives a rather extreme comparison.
In the other two big street pictures it looks like Canal and West 127th, and the differences aren't as great.
I have pretty good memories of NYC in the late 70s and early 80s. Clearly more dangerous than it is now, but there wasn't a sense of imminent menace either. The big difference that stands out in my mind were the subway cars, which of course were covered in grafitti and whose lights were constantly going out in the tunnels.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 23, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
The first picture is in the middle of DUMBO, a tiny district in Brooklyn that experienced massive gentifrication starting around the late 90s. So that gives a rather extreme comparison.
In the other two big street pictures it looks like Canal and West 127th, and the differences aren't as great.
I have pretty good memories of NYC in the late 70s and early 80s. Clearly more dangerous than it is now, but there wasn't a sense of imminent menace either. The big difference that stands out in my mind were the subway cars, which of course were covered in grafitti and whose lights were constantly going out in the tunnels.
Would it be fair to say that the preception of New York by outsiders has changed far more dramatically than New York actually has?
In the 70s I had never been to New York; my impressions of the city all came from its depictions in the media - both fictional and non-fictional (like the blackout riots of '77). The overall impression was that NYC was a distopian, crime-ridden dump on the one hand, and a business and arts powerhouse on the other.
Quote from: Malthus on July 23, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 23, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
The first picture is in the middle of DUMBO, a tiny district in Brooklyn that experienced massive gentifrication starting around the late 90s. So that gives a rather extreme comparison.
In the other two big street pictures it looks like Canal and West 127th, and the differences aren't as great.
I have pretty good memories of NYC in the late 70s and early 80s. Clearly more dangerous than it is now, but there wasn't a sense of imminent menace either. The big difference that stands out in my mind were the subway cars, which of course were covered in grafitti and whose lights were constantly going out in the tunnels.
Would it be fair to say that the preception of New York by outsiders has changed far more dramatically than New York actually has?
In the 70s I had never been to New York; my impressions of the city all came from its depictions in the media - both fictional and non-fictional (like the blackout riots of '77). The overall impression was that NYC was a distopian, crime-ridden dump on the one hand, and a business and arts powerhouse on the other.
New York has changed pretty dramatically. My own memories are from the Dinkins era, after 10-15 years of crazy real estate speculation already, and things were pretty different. It's truly hard to believe Bushwick ever became a desirable place to live.
Quote from: Malthus on July 23, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
In the 70s I had never been to New York; my impressions of the city all came from its depictions in the media - both fictional and non-fictional (like the blackout riots of '77). The overall impression was that NYC was a distopian, crime-ridden dump on the one hand, and a business and arts powerhouse on the other.
My family first visited NYC in 1981 when Escape from New York was in the theaters. The city wasn't quite as bad as the movie trailer indicated :D
I used to visit a college buddy in the East Village pretty regularly in the late 80s. Avenue A was a pretty firm no go line at that time. Now from what I understand Alphabet City is white boy slacker heaven.
My parents grew up in NY over the period where things really started to break down, probably forming their real memories starting in the early 60s, graduating high school in the early 70s, and getting married in the early 80s.
But by the early 70s, my grandparents on both sides had gotten safely ensconced in outer Queens. Most of my other relatives lived in (and still live in) fairly stable Brooklyn neighborhoods like Flatbush, the only scary ones being adjacent to Coney Island and the projects around there.
In 1977, my mother lived in Carroll Gardens, which was a pretty safe, traditional Italian neighborhood (where she caught a lot of dirty looks for being a single woman living alone), and my father lived in Washington Heights, which was pretty depressed/dangerous, mostly Puerto Rican and Dominican with a dwindling number of German Jewish emigres from the 30s, but not nearly as violent as it would be during the crack years.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 23, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
I used to visit a college buddy in the East Village pretty regularly in the late 80s. Avenue A was a pretty firm no go line at that time. Now from what I understand Alphabet City is white boy slacker heaven.
Except for the C to D area. Not particularly bad but not lovely either.
America in the 70s, Scaramento, Ca
Me and my sisters riding in a open truck bed, sitting on the wheel well flying down the freeway at 65mph. Step dad drinking a can of Ole (Olympia) Beer.
Walking my sisters to and from preschool/kindergarten alone when I was 8 y/o.
Height of board wargames.
Fishing salmon, sturgeon, steelhead with my drunk grand father.
etc.
Good times
The "stable" neighborhoods that Mihali talks about were far from affluent. Carroll Gardens was middle class, basically an ethnic Italian Catholic variant on Archie Bunker, but with brownstones and bakeries. (now it is gentrified and filled with $2million + townhouses). Flatbush was (and is) a quintessential working class community, although the ethnic mix has changed. While some boroughs and neighborhoods followed the "white flight" paradigm epitomized by Detroit (e.g. South Bronx) others did not, and in other cases immigrants filled in.
Mihali's memories seem to be influenced by the late 80s/early 90s crack epidemic era, where there was a big spike in violent crime and certain areas became no go at all times of day and night.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
KRonn or gumbler, did these cars really look cool back then, or did they always give off this "piece of sloppy shit" vibe?
HEY NOW
I hate hipsters. That is all.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 23, 2013, 06:18:47 PM
The "stable" neighborhoods that Mihali talks about were far from affluent. Carroll Gardens was middle class, basically an ethnic Italian Catholic variant on Archie Bunker, but with brownstones and bakeries. (now it is gentrified and filled with $2million + townhouses). Flatbush was (and is) a quintessential working class community, although the ethnic mix has changed. While some boroughs and neighborhoods followed the "white flight" paradigm epitomized by Detroit (e.g. South Bronx) others did not, and in other cases immigrants filled in.
Mihali's memories seem to be influenced by the late 80s/early 90s crack epidemic era, where there was a big spike in violent crime and certain areas became no go at all times of day and night.
:huh: I think I gave pretty apt (or at least the same as you) descriptions of Carroll Gardens and places like Flatbush.
"Stable" was by no means meant to suggest anything other than working-class; on his family's trajectory up the NYC neighborhood social ladder, my dad lived for a long time growing up in Howard Beach, which last I checked is still pretty ethnic white working-class. And certainly got a lot of notoriety for such in 1986.
I used to visit Sheepshead Bay pretty frequently to see my great-aunt until she died two years ago, and she (a Macy's retail employee from the 1938 until she retired) described the neighborhood as "like the League of Nations over here" due to the immigrant influx (starting with Soviet Jews in the late 70s, and intensifying dramatically post 1991). Actually, it was the Russian kids who were the menace in her building, vandalizing things and assaulting people.
I loved living in the city as a kid (especially when we lived in Manhattan in the weird DMZ between Yorkville and Spanish Harlem) and hated when we moved to the suburbs, but yeah, crack vials piled up in mounds, getting X-rayed for a cough since tuberculosis was the big fear, the Central Park Jogger hysteria (and the park generally being a scary place), hiding the car radio under a blanket in the back seat every time you parked... the peak crack-era experience is strongest in my memory. And no more subway graffiti by that point, really, but lots of "scratchitti" (which somehow the MTA seems to have stopped, I would've that would last forever) and definitely the lights still going out on the subway, usually for just a couple seconds, but sometimes those adrenaline-inducing 10 seconds plus of total darkness. And the last relics of porno theaters in Times Square, had my mother inefficiently try to cover my eyes when we walked a couple of blocks on 8th Ave under the marquees...
I think it's neat that shitty little alarm storefront on 387 Canal Street in the photo is still in business. Good for you, Mom and Pop store.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 23, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
I used to visit a college buddy in the East Village pretty regularly in the late 80s. Avenue A was a pretty firm no go line at that time. Now from what I understand Alphabet City is white boy slacker heaven.
I think the jingle from the mid-80s (when well-off people were starting to go down there, and subsequently develop the real estate) was "A, a-ok; B, bad; C, crime; D, death." It was only maybe, what, the early 2000s when the East River projects (along Avenue D) stopped being a decent dope-slinging spot.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2013, 06:21:30 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
KRonn or gumbler, did these cars really look cool back then, or did they always give off this "piece of sloppy shit" vibe?
HEY NOW
Forgot about you, you can answer as well. :hug:
Note the lack of HFCS & Muslim immigrants.
The Southwest in the 70s:
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Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2013, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2013, 06:21:30 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
KRonn or gumbler, did these cars really look cool back then, or did they always give off this "piece of sloppy shit" vibe?
HEY NOW
Forgot about you, you can answer as well. :hug:
Those cars are beautiful. Dickhead.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 23, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
The first picture is in the middle of DUMBO, a tiny district in Brooklyn that experienced massive gentifrication starting around the late 90s. So that gives a rather extreme comparison.
That said, I still wouldn't really want to hang out just a few blocks east. Pretty desolate even during the day. Ugh and those remnant cobblestones.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2013, 07:12:52 PM
I think it's neat that shitty little alarm storefront on 387 Canal Street in the photo is still in business. Good for you, Mom and Pop store.
Waste of real estate.
Quote from: derspiess on July 23, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 23, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
In the 70s I had never been to New York; my impressions of the city all came from its depictions in the media - both fictional and non-fictional (like the blackout riots of '77). The overall impression was that NYC was a distopian, crime-ridden dump on the one hand, and a business and arts powerhouse on the other.
My family first visited NYC in 1981 when Escape from New York was in the theaters. The city wasn't quite as bad as the movie trailer indicated :D
That's cause it was filmed in East St. Louis. You don't go to East Louis. Ever.
http://imgur.com/iKIA8tx
City looks like Stalingrad circa 1943.
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2013, 07:12:52 PM
I think it's neat that shitty little alarm storefront on 387 Canal Street in the photo is still in business. Good for you, Mom and Pop store.
Waste of real estate.
I'm sure it would make an abfab hipster internet cafe and tapas expo, but aren't there enough of those places as it is?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 24, 2013, 09:30:51 AM
That's cause it was filmed in East St. Louis. You don't go to East Louis. Ever.
Yep. Watched National Lampoon's Vacation over the weekend and had to explain the East St. Louis thing to the wife.
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 24, 2013, 09:30:51 AM
That's cause it was filmed in East St. Louis. You don't go to East Louis. Ever.
Yep. Watched National Lampoon's Vacation over the weekend and had to explain the East St. Louis thing to the wife.
Their website says:
QuoteEast St. Louis, Illinois
A Great Place
..to Live
..to Work
..to Do Business
..to Raise a Family
..to Visit
Quote from: Syt on July 24, 2013, 09:44:01 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 24, 2013, 09:30:51 AM
That's cause it was filmed in East St. Louis. You don't go to East Louis. Ever.
Yep. Watched National Lampoon's Vacation over the weekend and had to explain the East St. Louis thing to the wife.
Their website says:
QuoteEast St. Louis, Illinois
A Great Place
..to Live
..to Work
..to Do Business
..to Raise a Family
..to Visit
Mayor Joshua Chamberlain's electoral slogan in 1913 " "Make
East St.
Louis a little more like home and a
little less like hell.""
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 24, 2013, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2013, 07:12:52 PM
I think it's neat that shitty little alarm storefront on 387 Canal Street in the photo is still in business. Good for you, Mom and Pop store.
Waste of real estate.
I'm sure it would make an abfab hipster internet cafe and tapas expo, but aren't there enough of those places as it is?
Not really - in fact, I long ago gave up going to coffeshops as nearly all of them are always packed. Much worse than in SF where you were about guaranteed some space and likely an outlet. It'd also class it up as a lot of Canal street is the pits.
Blacks in Chicago:
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Yes, there were fat people:
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QuoteWoman selling "Have A Nice Day" balloons on a Chicago South Side street corner at Sox Park Baseball Field, June 1973.
Hello, chick in the swimsuit.
I guess that's Todd Bridges 4 pictures down, on the right, and Jesse Jackson 3 pictures up from bottom?
Hey! Half gallon of vodka for 8.99
Quote from: derspiess on July 25, 2013, 08:11:43 AM
I guess that's Todd Bridges 4 pictures down, on the right, and Jesse Jackson 3 pictures up from bottom?
You can find out if you click the link I posted above the photos. Unless you lose your tea party credentials if you surf to The Atlantic. :P
All black people look alike to Derspicy eh?
Tell them that's Todd Bridges. They don't have him identified.
Quote from: katmai on July 25, 2013, 08:22:31 AM
All black people look alike to Derspicy eh?
I was waiting for a crack like that. I'm telling you, that's Willis.
1970s Texas:
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QuoteSmoke from the burning of old auto batteries near Houston, April 1972.
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Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
KRonn or gumbler, did these cars really look cool back then, or did they always give off this "piece of sloppy shit" vibe?
Some of them were cool, like the muscle cars. GTO (I had one), Firebird, Mustang, Camaro, Charger, Chevy Trans Am and more. Real classics and look great today IMO. Many of today's cars look poor in comparison to those. But some of the others from back then look so lame, sloppy, like you say. I think even then they were but we didn't have anything to compare them to.
So close to the McKenzie brothers in the last pic.
The one area in which the 70's was an unmitigated disaster was pants.
Quote from: Syt on July 25, 2013, 01:13:43 PM
1970s Texas:
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Cue Reservoir Dogs music.
Cue fashion police.
Quote from: KRonn on July 25, 2013, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
KRonn or gumbler, did these cars really look cool back then, or did they always give off this "piece of sloppy shit" vibe?
Some of them were cool, like the muscle cars. GTO (I had one), Firebird, Mustang, Camaro, Charger, Chevy Trans Am and more. Real classics and look great today IMO. Many of today's cars look poor in comparison to those. But some of the others from back then look so lame, sloppy, like you say. I think even then they were but we didn't have anything to compare them to.
Big cars in the big city have a habit of getting big dents.
It strikes me as insane that we used to dispose of old car batteries by setting them on fire.
Quote from: fhdz on July 25, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
It strikes me as insane that we used to dispose of old car batteries by setting them on fire.
Just imagine how our economy could perform if we still did. Silly EPA.
Set a river on fire.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 25, 2013, 06:34:16 PM
Set a river on fire.
Cleveland already tried that. It worked, believe it or not!
Quote from: Caliga on July 25, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 25, 2013, 06:34:16 PM
Set a river on fire.
Cleveland already tried that. It worked, believe it or not!
We do things awesome in the Buckeye state.
You're good at making sandwiches, I can tell you that much.
Pacific Northwest
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 25, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 25, 2013, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
KRonn or gumbler, did these cars really look cool back then, or did they always give off this "piece of sloppy shit" vibe?
Some of them were cool, like the muscle cars. GTO (I had one), Firebird, Mustang, Camaro, Charger, Chevy Trans Am and more. Real classics and look great today IMO. Many of today's cars look poor in comparison to those. But some of the others from back then look so lame, sloppy, like you say. I think even then they were but we didn't have anything to compare them to.
Big cars in the big city have a habit of getting big dents.
I saw an old Pontiac Bonneville today, from the 60s or 70s. Looked so big. I was also behind an older Plymouth Colt, probably something from the 80s or maybe even earlier. That reminded me of the lousy cars that US auto companies made when it came to the first econo-box type cars. Japanese cars weren't much better at first but after a while they sure seemed to surge past the US brands in being much better cars.
Was the gas shortage confined to, or worse, in the northwest than elsewhere? I vaguely remember it, like the different colored flags hanging outside the gas stations showing whether they had fuel or not, but I was still young enough that I didn't really know what was going on.
Quote from: KRonn on July 28, 2013, 10:49:08 AM
I was also behind an older Plymouth Colt, probably something from the 80s or maybe even earlier.
:bleeding: I remember those from my Jiffy Lube days; what a piece of shit they were.
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2013, 11:04:00 AM
Was the gas shortage confined to, or worse, in the northwest than elsewhere? I vaguely remember it, like the different colored flags hanging outside the gas stations showing whether they had fuel or not, but I was still young enough that I didn't really know what was going on.
The gas shortage in the North East seemed the same. I think I remember having to get gas on odd/even days depending on the first or last number on your license plate. Gas lines, people driving around just to top off their gas tanks but doing that was much discouraged. Rumors of gas tankers waiting off shore to unload, adding to conspiracy theories about the government or oil companies manipulating the shortage.
Quote from: KRonn on July 28, 2013, 03:04:46 PM
Rumors of gas tankers waiting off shore to unload, adding to conspiracy theories about the government or oil companies manipulating the shortage.
Not really a conspiracy theory. Withholding gas from the market was a natural reaction to Carter's windfall profits tax, which tried to protect consumers by holding down the price of gas that was already being drilled before the Arab embargo but allowing it to rise for newly drilled oil. Producers figured, correctly, that the windfall profits tax wouldn't last forever and they would come out ahead if they waited it out.
Quote from: Syt on July 28, 2013, 08:06:03 AM
Pacific Northwest
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That's a photo of Spokane preparing for the World Expo in 78 or so.
Looks pretty dismal.
Needs more wood paneling and shag carpets.
Quote from: citizen k on July 28, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 28, 2013, 08:06:03 AM
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That's a photo of Spokane preparing for the World Expo in 78 or so.
Preparing? :huh: Looks good to go.
Quote from: DGuller on July 28, 2013, 06:41:41 PM
Preparing? :huh: Looks good to go.
Cities hostes world expos in hopes of showing off/attracting talent - not in hopes of getting development aid slotted for 3rd world countries. :P
Maybe Spokane was planning a homage to Hanoi during the Rolling Thunder raids or something.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 28, 2013, 03:12:02 PM
Not really a conspiracy theory. Withholding gas from the market was a natural reaction to Carter's windfall profits tax, which tried to protect consumers by holding down the price of gas that was already being drilled before the Arab embargo but allowing it to rise for newly drilled oil. Producers figured, correctly, that the windfall profits tax wouldn't last forever and they would come out ahead if they waited it out.
There's a number of problems with this theory but the biggest one was that the windfall profits tax was enacted in 1980 and the gas shortages were in 1979.
The tax was also apparently only abolished in 1988, which seems to overstate its economic wrecking powers.
Here's a bunch of photos of a New York neighborhood that will soon be bulldozed away. Willet's Point in Queen, an iron triangle of 255 autobody shops with only one native resident. Just broken street upon broken street of rusting tin shacks, stacks of decaying cars and car related refuse.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2013/11/15/willets_point_queens_iron_triangle_autobody_shops_new_york_city_neighorhood.html
Well one thing I will say for slate, it is consistently terrible.
Why you say that? What's wrong with that article?
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 18, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
Why you say that? What's wrong with that article?
Garbo is much too much too kool for skool to have need any reasons for his near-universal disdain. There's nothing wrong with that blog entry (it isn't an article,
per se); I think it is interesting to see places like that, though I am much less astonished than the author that such places exist in NYC.
Wow, 255 body shops in one block? New Yorkers must be pretty bad drivers.
Quote from: DGuller on November 18, 2013, 08:31:25 AM
Wow, 255 body shops in one block? New Yorkers must be pretty bad drivers.
What happened was 300 entrepreneurs were in a hurry on their way to the banking district to discuss business start-ups, when they crashed; after they'd sorted themselves out, most looked around and thought "this place has a real bad driving problem, why don't I start a panel bashing shop".
This prefigured the 1st DotCon bubble.
Quote from: grumbler on November 18, 2013, 08:21:22 AM
Garbo is much too much too kool for skool to have need any reasons for his near-universal disdain. There's nothing wrong with that blog entry (it isn't an article, per se); I think it is interesting to see places like that, though I am much less astonished than the author that such places exist in NYC.
I found the bit at the end about "organic" neighborhoods a bit off-putting, but the pictures were pretty cool.
I bet a large part of the reason auto repair shops tend to congregate is that their presence drives down real estate prices. The stretches of road where there's a lot of garages tend to also have more pawn shops and thrift stores than normal and they have fewer national chain sitdown restaurants or high end retail outlets.
I thought it was interesting.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 18, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
Why you say that? What's wrong with that article?
Because it doesn't really offer up much of anything. No real history, nothing about how it came about. Just a bunch of photos and text brimmed full of the writer's over-the-top surprise that it exists.
I'm also not really a fan of how it is now being cited on wikipedia.
It seems you still can't accept the characteristics of modern journalism.
You get what you pay for. And people want our news for free.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 18, 2013, 06:02:50 AM
Here's a bunch of photos of a New York neighborhood that will soon be bulldozed away. Willet's Point in Queen, an iron triangle of 255 autobody shops with only one native resident. Just broken street upon broken street of rusting tin shacks, stacks of decaying cars and car related refuse.
Actually many of the cars in the picture are relatively new and obviously there for repair; these look like active businesses.
You know Nurse Bloomberg hated that area when he was mayor. Low class scum eking out a living? Bulldoze it and put in stuff for rich folk. Can't have the scum occupying valuable real estate.
You can if they can pay the rent.
I can't imagine why the city might back a redevelopment plan that would vastly increase the tax base of this area.
Oh wait.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 18, 2013, 05:26:36 PM
I can't imagine why the city might back a redevelopment plan that would vastly increase the tax base of this area.
Oh wait.
A normal mayor? Maybe. HitlerBloomberg? I doubt it. The presence of poors saps his vitality.
I don't think Bloomberg would be that bothered by any area outside of Manhattan.
Quote from: DGuller on November 18, 2013, 05:50:42 PM
I don't think Bloomberg would be that bothered by any area outside of Manhattan.
Right?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 18, 2013, 04:57:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 18, 2013, 06:02:50 AM
Here's a bunch of photos of a New York neighborhood that will soon be bulldozed away. Willet's Point in Queen, an iron triangle of 255 autobody shops with only one native resident. Just broken street upon broken street of rusting tin shacks, stacks of decaying cars and car related refuse.
Actually many of the cars in the picture are relatively new and obviously there for repair; these look like active businesses.
Yeah, I was wondering about that. Doesn't seem to be abandoned, even if there is only one resident, even the author describes people working there.
In some ways it's quite an efficient set up to deal with car repairs in a large city; most ordinary people will know where to go to get their car sorted, they'll be plenty of competitively priced services and spare parts/expertise are likely to be close at hand.
Quote from: mongers on November 19, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
In some ways it's quite an efficient set up to deal with car repairs in a large city; most ordinary people will know where to go to get their car sorted, they'll be plenty of competitively priced services and spare parts/expertise are likely to be close at hand.
I don't think it is that efficient in that it is really only useful for people with cars near that part of Queens. I doubt most "ordinary people" are going to schlep all the way over there for car repair near a stadium.
That said, I do agree that having several together is probably good for business, much in the same way as it is for restaurants, shops and car dealarships.
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2013, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: mongers on November 19, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
In some ways it's quite an efficient set up to deal with car repairs in a large city; most ordinary people will know where to go to get their car sorted, they'll be plenty of competitively priced services and spare parts/expertise are likely to be close at hand.
I don't think it is that efficient in that it is really only useful for people with cars near that part of Queens. I doubt most "ordinary people" are going to schlep all the way over there for car repair near a stadium.
That said, I do agree that having several together is probably good for business, much in the same way as it is for restaurants, shops and car dealarships.
Well I sorta meant that, as I wasn't expecting all of a mega city like NYC to use it, I guess for a good section of Queens it might be a useful zone to have.
It's also for useful for recruiting terrorists and communicating plans. :)
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2013, 05:03:17 PM
That said, I do agree that having several together is probably good for business, much in the same way as it is for restaurants, shops and car dealarships.
Even more so I'd say given the effect car repair shops have on the value of other businesses around them, unlike restaurants and shops.
Quote from: mongers on November 19, 2013, 05:17:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2013, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: mongers on November 19, 2013, 04:56:46 PM
In some ways it's quite an efficient set up to deal with car repairs in a large city; most ordinary people will know where to go to get their car sorted, they'll be plenty of competitively priced services and spare parts/expertise are likely to be close at hand.
I don't think it is that efficient in that it is really only useful for people with cars near that part of Queens. I doubt most "ordinary people" are going to schlep all the way over there for car repair near a stadium.
Well I sorta meant that, as I wasn't expecting all of a mega city like NYC to use it, I guess for a good section of Queens it might be a useful zone to have.
How many people support one body ship? A thousand? Two thousand? More?
Well are you going to tell us how many people support a body ship or not? :angry:
Tim sings the body electric.
Is it a ship made from bodies or just a body used as a sea-going vessel?