We touched upon this subject briefly in the OTT a few days ago, and it had me thinking.
Of course, Victorian England or Japan would be obvious examples, but i'd like to do a commentary on a short work I feel to be very illustrative, by the notable african-american spokesman Biggie Smalls, with concurrent contribution by Too $hort.
Before beginning, I believe I should state this definitively proves African American culture is very much involved in notions of purity in sexuality, but considers (as cultures invariably do) men to be removed from concerns of sexual purity. The male is an actor, not an acted upon object. In the intriguing case of the African American community, however, the male is not only free from mores of modesty, but also those of basic civilization; While clearly familiar with acceptable standards, the african-american man exults in his flaunting of them, and embraces a more bestial aspect while still, compellingly, bringing the weight of social sanction upon females even as they are willfully defiled.
A line-by-line commentary, then, with Too $hort's contributions in italics and my notes in bold. :
Quote
Beeotch!
Talk about these hoes Big..
From the initial lead-in, we see a disrespectful tone to the sexual partners that are to be discussed.
I got a bitch that suck my dick til I nut
Spit it on my gut and slurp that shit back up
Ain't that a slut (HELL YEA)
she even take it in the butt
Fuck for bout a hour, now she want a golden shower
Here we see that Biggie, with his associate's agreement, condemn the actions of the women they solicit sexual activity from. It should be noted that the sexual practices are degrading in nature, ones that give women no pleasure and typically invoke objections. This will be a theme.
You didn't know that we be pissin on hoes, bitch (BEOTCH)
Luke and Biggie straight shittin on hoes, bitch (BEOTCH)
Lick your toes, bitch? (BEOTCH) Fuck no, you must be crazy
Squirt in your face and then I'm Swayze (bitch)
Sexual deviancy as a way of polluting the woman and indulging one's own lusts is celebrated, and indeed the main crux of Biggie's statements. However, the idea of any sort of sexual activity, however minor, that pleasures the woman exclusively is beyond the pale, and suggestions of it earn a rebuke and further insults, confirming the inappropriate nature of female sexuality.
Recognize G, straight up, I can't knock ya
After Big Poppa, fuck ALL of Junior M.A.F.I.A.
The whole clique, dick sucked, ass licked
Leave your number by the phone, bring yo' ass on home
Here, as the Alpha Male Biggie is providing for his pack-mates, which serves the dual function of bolstering his authority as a leader and also degrading the woman, robbing her sexual services of any connotation of intimacy and making her a communal object.
I roam in Lexuses and Benzes, the fly way
With the flyest bitch gettin head on the highway (ridin)
My way deep throat on Luke's boat
When the moon rises, I'm cumin in her eyes-es (do it)
Just the way players play
Leave it up to me, I get fucked all day (yeah)
Sucked all day, smokin blunts, countin cheese
Fucking bitches til they assholes bleed
The fact that Biggie is encouraged by his companion to deliberately cause retinal irritation in his sexual partner, as well as the emphasis placed on doing bloody injury to her, are significant. Neither confers sexual pleasure for Biggie- it is to defile and shame his partner, reinforcing his own status and confirming her debasement.
Biggie bag bitches from barbecues to barmitzvah's
The dick don't fit, use your lips cause.. (use em)
I'm feelin kinda itchy for a quickie
Don't take off your coat, all you got to do is lick me
Me eat you, I beat you, then greet you to the door bitch
Cause I don't love you no more
Again, the idea of sexually pleasuring a female is rejected out of hand. References to outright physical abuse enter at this stage.
Which one of these hoes in the lobby wanna slob me
You know me, I like my dick Brown like Bobby
Jim Duke shoot, then the bitch get the boot
unless she lick ass and blow dicks like flutes
The anonymity of "..these hoes in the lobby" is telling; their identity does not matter, beyond their sexual characteristics and willingness to fellate Mr.Smalls.
I like em cute, round tits and fat asses
Educated, so I can bust off on they glasses
I wanna cum on your tongue and gums, all night
The bitch drink nuts by the pint
Drink it bitch!
All of these hoes do that shit
Female education is mocked here as something that has no place in the primal social order constructed by the african-american male. Continuing a trend, a woman's deliberately swallowing semen is disparaged and insulted by the same parties who demand it.
It's after midnight, it's time to come up
Fuckin with some sluts tryin to bust a nut
I ain't seen this many hoes in a long time
I wanna make em all mine (get down hoe)
The status of the women as mere property and tools of sexual pleasure is made explicit here, as well as a disdainful comparison to a pet, specifically a dog.
but it's gettin kinda late, and I cain't wait
Bitch fuck a first date
I pulled out my dick, she called me rude..
.. but then she ate it like food (tramp)
The pretense of social niceties is dispensed here; Too $hort exults in his indecent behavior while insulting the woman for acceding to it.
Then she noticed the limp and the whip
Recognize game, you've been pimped by a pimp
Throw all that trick shit, out the window
You come up short tryin to doubt the pimp hoe
Beyond degrading women, crucial themes are the speaker's virility, as well as his ostentatious shows of wealth seen earlier.
That's real retarded, sir.
Victorian Britain was chock full of pervs. The most bizarre porn always comes from the places that are more repressed.
I dunno man, doesn't seem like they even recognize the existence of "pure" women who won't perform for them, much less rating them above the "hoes" who do.
Quote from: The Larch on July 11, 2013, 07:18:33 AM
Victorian Britain was chock full of pervs. The most bizarre porn always comes from the places that are more repressed.
Is Arab porn really crazy? Honest question. Haven't ever seen any.
Quote from: fhdz on July 11, 2013, 01:20:15 PMIs Arab porn really crazy? Honest question. Haven't ever seen any.
Check here: http://www.pornmd.com/sex-search
Quote from: fhdz on July 11, 2013, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 11, 2013, 07:18:33 AM
Victorian Britain was chock full of pervs. The most bizarre porn always comes from the places that are more repressed.
Is Arab porn really crazy? Honest question. Haven't ever seen any.
Arab porn?
Sounds like a good alternative to suicide for arabs.
Lettow, your bunghole's maw is more hungrily gaping than the Sarlacc Pit.
Just go home and let your roommate drop his Boba Fett it already, to be slowly digested for a thousand years.
I'm beginning to think that Lettow might be more disturbed then I am.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 11, 2013, 06:22:38 PM
I'm beginning to think that Lettow might be more disturbed then I am.
Beginning?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 11, 2013, 06:16:48 PM
Lettow, your bunghole's maw is more hungrily gaping than the Sarlacc Pit.
Just go home and let your roommate drop his Boba Fett it already, to be slowly digested for a thousand years.
way to outcarzy the crazy guy
Quote from: katmai on July 11, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 11, 2013, 06:22:38 PM
I'm beginning to think that Lettow might be more disturbed then I am.
Beginning?
Nah. Lettow is a performer.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 11, 2013, 10:58:09 AM
I dunno man, doesn't seem like they even recognize the existence of "pure" women who won't perform for them, much less rating them above the "hoes" who do.
You have something here in that they don't place any value on them; as a community that rejects the architecture upon which most civilization stands, they have no use for innocence, although by their emphasis on pollution, defiling and objectification they affirm its existence. They place value not in innocence, but in the potency of their own actions for demolishing it- they insult women as they pile greater indignities upon them, etc etc.
Besides common aspersions against my person, I don't think there is much wrong with this analysis. :)
Lettuce raises a couple interesting points.
In his observations, not his conclusions so much.
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
Lettuce raises a couple interesting points
if you have this reaction to anything Lettow writes you really should reconsider your world view.
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
Lettuce raises a couple interesting points.
In his observations, not his conclusions so much.
Please elaborate.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 11, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
Lettuce raises a couple interesting points.
In his observations, not his conclusions so much.
Please elaborate.
I'm watching the Cards-Cubs game now. ASK AGAIN LATER
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 11, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
Lettuce raises a couple interesting points.
In his observations, not his conclusions so much.
Please elaborate.
I'm watching the Cards-Cubs game now. ASK AGAIN LATER
Well stop watching it! They are losing!
Quote from: Razgovory on July 11, 2013, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 11, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
Lettuce raises a couple interesting points.
In his observations, not his conclusions so much.
Please elaborate.
I'm watching the Cards-Cubs game now. ASK AGAIN LATER
Well stop watching it! They are losing!
No shit. For some reason they never seem to be able to hit Edwin Jackson. Feel like I need to keep watching til the bitter end, though.
I watched Jason and the Argonauts instead. Flipped back to the Card game every once in a while. Not pretty.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 11, 2013, 09:24:37 PM
I watched Jason and the Argonauts instead. Flipped back to the Card game every once in a while. Not pretty.
Westbrook pitched a decent game outside of a string of a few bad pitches. Sucks that he had no run support up to this point. Right now in the top of the 8th, 2 on, 1 out, and last night's hero Matt Carpenter is at the plate.
Disapointing.
Quote from: fhdz on July 11, 2013, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 11, 2013, 07:18:33 AM
Victorian Britain was chock full of pervs. The most bizarre porn always comes from the places that are more repressed.
Is Arab porn really crazy? Honest question. Haven't ever seen any.
No idea, but for instance Pakistan is the country that tops internet porn traffic stats, AFAIK.