Does anyone remember where that poll that said x% of Europeans blamed Jews a great deal/a bit for the financial crisis came from?
Just saw a reference to a similar survey in Americans and I was wanting to see if it's the same people and how it compares.
Europeans are not anti-semites. They are just anti-israelis.
Get your facts straight.
Quote from: Siege on May 26, 2009, 08:44:37 PM
Europeans are not anti-semites. They are just anti-israelis.
Get your facts straight.
Pretty sure the Holocaust predates the existance of Israel.
Besides, most Westerners are anti-Israeli, due to the fact that Israel is anti-Western.
Iron your knee.
Quote from: Siege on May 26, 2009, 08:48:08 PM
Iron your knee.
That doesn't make any sense. What are you, the new bmollson?
Oh, the irony.
Quote from: Neil on May 26, 2009, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 26, 2009, 08:48:08 PM
Iron your knee.
That doesn't make any sense. What are you, the new bmollson?
COW WELL FRUITPLANE!!! :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:
I think our heeb friend might be on the sauce again tonight.
I got it.
Was that the one that showed Spain and Portugal as the most antisemitic?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 26, 2009, 10:05:16 PM
Was that the one that showed Spain and Portugal as the most antisemitic?
Spain and Poland, I don't think Portugal was included. But, yeah, that's it.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 26, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 26, 2009, 10:05:16 PM
Was that the one that showed Spain and Portugal as the most antisemitic?
Spain and Poland, I don't think Portugal was included. But, yeah, that's it.
There's a bunch of stuff on the ADL's site. Maybe this?
http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/european_attitudes_may_2005.pdf
That question about Jews having too much power in financial markets sounds familiar. I think I was thinking Portugal was in it also because Martim Silva was all up in here around that time claiming Goldman Sachs was teh evol and the rest of it. :P
That's it. It didn't have the question I thought so I can't compare :(
The Times columnist mentioned that around 40% of Americans believe Jews are a little bit to a great deal responsible for the financial crisis, though only a quarter say it's a moderate amount to a great deal. I was wanting to see how it compared with different Euro countries and can't :(
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 26, 2009, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 26, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 26, 2009, 10:05:16 PM
Was that the one that showed Spain and Portugal as the most antisemitic?
Spain and Poland, I don't think Portugal was included. But, yeah, that's it.
There's a bunch of stuff on the ADL's site. Maybe this?
http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/european_attitudes_may_2005.pdf (http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/european_attitudes_may_2005.pdf)
That question about Jews having too much power in financial markets sounds familiar. I think I was thinking Portugal was in it also because Martim Silva was all up in here around that time claiming Goldman Sachs was teh evol and the rest of it. :P
same study, but updated for 2008.
I think it was the BBC that mentionned it... Have you checked there Sheilb?
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 26, 2009, 10:41:15 PM
The Times columnist mentioned that around 40% of Americans believe Jews are a little bit to a great deal responsible for the financial crisis, though only a quarter say it's a moderate amount to a great deal. I was wanting to see how it compared with different Euro countries and can't :(
I liked this part:
QuoteThey found that Democrats were significantly more prone to blaming Jews than Republicans: while 32% of Democrats accorded at least moderate blame, compared to only 18.4% of Republicans.
Yay tolerance!
Quote from: garbon on May 27, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 26, 2009, 10:41:15 PM
The Times columnist mentioned that around 40% of Americans believe Jews are a little bit to a great deal responsible for the financial crisis, though only a quarter say it's a moderate amount to a great deal. I was wanting to see how it compared with different Euro countries and can't :(
I liked this part:
QuoteThey found that Democrats were significantly more prone to blaming Jews than Republicans: while 32% of Democrats accorded at least moderate blame, compared to only 18.4% of Republicans.
Yay tolerance!
Makes sense since most Jews are democrats. They'd know.
The funny thing is, how the hell are the jewish masses, which are nothing more than middle class, responsible for the crisis?
Because a few jews are bankers now ALL the jews are responsible for the crisis?
And why are the non-jewish bankers less responsible than the jewish ones?
I think this begs the question of whether it's still anti-semitic if it's true?
Quote from: Razgovory on May 27, 2009, 01:40:40 PM
Makes sense since most Jews are democrats. They'd know.
Actually the study indicated that Jews didn't have the kind of unfavorable reactions that non-jews had.
Quote from: Siege on May 27, 2009, 01:41:33 PM
The funny thing is, how the hell are the jewish masses, which are nothing more than middle class, responsible for the crisis?
Because a few jews are bankers now ALL the jews are responsible for the crisis?
And why are the non-jewish bankers less responsible than the jewish ones?
In at least one part of the study, they tested a story about Madoff and then to various groups introduced things like the fact that he was a jewish american or was an american who donated to jew charities/causes. Then they gauged peoples reactions using some self-reported scale of Madoff's favorability.
Any luck?
On any other forum you could just search for jews and find it in seconds but languish? Nah.
Quote from: garbon on May 27, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
I liked this part:
QuoteThey found that Democrats were significantly more prone to blaming Jews than Republicans: while 32% of Democrats accorded at least moderate blame, compared to only 18.4% of Republicans.
Yay tolerance!
Duh, it's the blacks. :)
Quote from: Siege on May 27, 2009, 01:41:33 PM
The funny thing is, how the hell are the jewish masses, which are nothing more than middle class, responsible for the crisis?
Because a few jews are bankers now ALL the jews are responsible for the crisis?
And why are the non-jewish bankers less responsible than the jewish ones?
You are trying to use logic against racism, and that never works...
Now, and tongue-in-cheek, I would say it is a matter of linguistic relativism: the pollster said 'the Jews' and meant 'all Jews' they did hear 'The Jews' and understood 'those fellows in great Wall Street firms with offices bigger than a football court, diamond rings, trophy wives and private jets'
Crazy, I know.
Quote from: Alatriste on May 28, 2009, 05:48:50 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 27, 2009, 01:41:33 PM
The funny thing is, how the hell are the jewish masses, which are nothing more than middle class, responsible for the crisis?
Because a few jews are bankers now ALL the jews are responsible for the crisis?
And why are the non-jewish bankers less responsible than the jewish ones?
You are trying to use logic against racism, and that never works...
Now, and tongue-in-cheek, I would say it is a matter of linguistic relativism: the pollster said 'the Jews' and meant 'all Jews' they did hear 'The Jews' and understood 'those fellows in great Wall Street firms with offices bigger than a football court, diamond rings, trophy wives and private jets'
Crazy, I know.
What ever happened to PLJ, anyway? I haven't seen him around in ages. ;)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan
That question about Jews having too much power in financial markets sounds familiar. I think I was thinking Portugal was in it also because Martim Silva was all up in here around that time claiming Goldman Sachs was teh evol and the rest of it. :P
Actually, I was quoting jewish authors about the accounting antics of Goldman Sachs. Including Paul Krugman, that well-known anti-semite (well, he must be, right? I mean, he is criticizing... JEWS *gasp* *gasp* nevermind he's jewish himself... after all, anyone who criticizes Goldman Sachs' most dubious practices *must* surely be an anti-semite)
And to be fair, I blame ALL private banks for the situation we're in (private banking has no place in a civilized society; giving private bankers' power over the creation of money is insanely suicidal at best; that power should be reserved to central banks and central banks alone. GS just happens to be the most influential one around.
Quote from: Malthus on May 28, 2009, 08:57:48 AMWhat ever happened to PLJ, anyway? I haven't seen him around in ages. ;)
He was in town a couple weeks ago, caught breakfast with him. He's busy jetsetting and making money.
I think he's still playing LOTRO.
Quote from: Malthus on May 28, 2009, 08:57:48 AM
What ever happened to PLJ, anyway? I haven't seen him around in ages. ;)
He'll be back in football season to tell us all about Florida State.
Quote from: Valmy on May 29, 2009, 08:38:32 AM
He'll be back in football season to tell us all about Florida State.
Damn Criminoles.
He forgot his password & he's too lazy to re-register.
Who's PLJ?
Quote from: Malthus on May 28, 2009, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on May 28, 2009, 05:48:50 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 27, 2009, 01:41:33 PM
The funny thing is, how the hell are the jewish masses, which are nothing more than middle class, responsible for the crisis?
Because a few jews are bankers now ALL the jews are responsible for the crisis?
And why are the non-jewish bankers less responsible than the jewish ones?
You are trying to use logic against racism, and that never works...
Now, and tongue-in-cheek, I would say it is a matter of linguistic relativism: the pollster said 'the Jews' and meant 'all Jews' they did hear 'The Jews' and understood 'those fellows in great Wall Street firms with offices bigger than a football court, diamond rings, trophy wives and private jets'
Crazy, I know.
What ever happened to PLJ, anyway? I haven't seen him around in ages. ;)
PLJ = Bernie Madoff? :o