http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/pmo-says-the-rcmp-should-have-better-things-to-do-than-seize-guns/article12882952/
Here's the executive summary - southern Alberta is flooding. Perhaps worst hit is the town of High River, Alberta, where all occupants have been ordered to evacuate the town. Police have also been entering homes to ensure that no one is present or in need of assistance.
It's also come out that when they entered these temporarily abandoned homes, they would seize any and all unsecured guns.
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners, but some are quite upset at this.
What say you Languish?
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PMPerhaps worst hit is the town of High River
lol
...Sorry. :blush:
How extensive was the search through the homes to find the guns? Sure if they opened the front door, stuck their head in and yelled "Hallo" to see if anyone was home and they saw a rifle on the shelf just inside the front door then taking that is one thing. Going through closets under the excuse of looking for people present or in need of assistance and taking a gun not locked up but well hidden... that's disconcerting.
Is there a law to have secured guns in Alberta? If so keep the guns. If not return em
Quote from: HVC on June 28, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
Is there a law to have secured guns in Alberta? If so keep the guns. If not return em
It's the law across Canada. Though I think they might cut people some slack when they're hurridly rushing out of their houses in advance of a flood.
Did they leave the cocaine?
Why not just tell the people to take their guns with them when they evac? They know where they are, and no searching would be necessary.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 28, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Why not just tell the people to take their guns with them when they evac? They know where they are, and no searching would be necessary.
Because they told people to take as few items as possible. There wasn't a lot of time.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 28, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Why not just tell the people to take their guns with them when they evac? They know where they are, and no searching would be necessary.
a hoard of Scared and stressed armed people. That would turn out well :D
Fucking phone
Is the town secure or is there a chance of looting. If there is a chance of looting and guns are in plain sight then fine. If not - not.
Quote from: HVC on June 28, 2013, 03:33:22 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 28, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Why not just tell the people to take their guns with them when they evac? They know where they are, and no searching would be necessary.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 28, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Why not just tell the people to take their guns with them when they evac? They know where they are, and no searching would be necessary.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 28, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Why not just tell the people to take their guns with them when they evac? They know where they are, and no searching would be necessary.
a hoard of Scared and stressed armed people. That would turn out well :D
And of course some of the residents of High River are starting to complain they haven't been let back into town yet. There was even a confrontation with police.
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
That police went into private homes and seized private property.
Leave the guns :angry:
...take the cannoli.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
The extent of the devastation is extreme. This isnt merely a flood. There are a lot of things the RCMP could be doing right now that doesnt entail all the work necessary to collect, store and return these guns. I think it boils down to an efficient use of resources during this time of emergency.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 28, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
The extent of the devastation is extreme. This isnt merely a flood. There are a lot of things the RCMP could be doing right now that doesnt entail all the work necessary to collect, store and return these guns. I think it boils down to an efficient use of resources during this time of emergency.
They weren't entering the homes for the purpose of finding guns. They were going into homes to search for people in need of help - and if they found unsecured guns they took them.
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:52:22 PMThey weren't entering the homes for the purpose of finding guns. They were going into homes to search for people in need of help - and if they found unsecured guns they took them.
If that is how it happened, that seems innocuous enough to me assuming the guns are returned in a reasonable timeframe.
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
They weren't entering the homes for the purpose of finding guns. They were going into homes to search for people in need of help - and if they found unsecured guns they took them.
I wasnt suggesting they were. But it takes time to gather, catalogue, store and then return those guns.
I think it really somes down to whether there is a risk that looters will take those guns. If there is no such risk then what is the "security" issue?
Owners of unsecured guns have broken the law and must be sent to gaol. Read your Machiavelli.
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
That police went into private homes and seized private property.
And if they had found improperly stored explosives, radioactive materials, medicines, volatile organic compounds, strong acids or highly reactive chemicals?
Quote from: Viking on June 29, 2013, 01:34:26 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
That police went into private homes and seized private property.
And if they had found improperly stored explosives, radioactive materials, medicines, volatile organic compounds, strong acids or highly reactive chemicals?
I'll bet that some people, in hurriedly evacuating their homes, left at least plenty of medicines behind. Volatile organic compounds, strong acids, and highly reactive chemicals are a reasonable possibility. Improperly stored explosives seem less likely, and radioactive materials highly unlikely.
Best thing to come out of the Alberta flooding is this.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fgfx%2Fimages%2Fnews%2Ftopstories%2F2013%2F06%2F21%2Ffi-130621-alberta-flood-momo-cat-swim-5.jpg&hash=5e8781d215884a2078771a7c0dc05108b3a50457)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2013/06/21/alberta-flood-cat-momo-swim-photos.html
I´m sure CdM agrees with me. :P
lol, Momo looks like she had had enough of that shit.
I like that last image when shes trying to turn the rescue worker into swiss cheese.
Quote from: dps on June 29, 2013, 02:05:19 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 29, 2013, 01:34:26 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
That police went into private homes and seized private property.
And if they had found improperly stored explosives, radioactive materials, medicines, volatile organic compounds, strong acids or highly reactive chemicals?
I'll bet that some people, in hurriedly evacuating their homes, left at least plenty of medicines behind. Volatile organic compounds, strong acids, and highly reactive chemicals are a reasonable possibility. Improperly stored explosives seem less likely, and radioactive materials highly unlikely.
Indeed. Any radioactive material was likely carried within the body of the person.
Quote"She will crawl in the tub with [Kevan] or crawl in the shower with him, so that was probably a good thing that she's been around water a little bit," she said.
Dude, boundaries.
Quote from: dps on June 29, 2013, 02:05:19 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 29, 2013, 01:34:26 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 28, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 28, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
RCMP have said it was only for security, and that guns will be returned to their proper owners
So what is the objection?
That police went into private homes and seized private property.
And if they had found improperly stored explosives, radioactive materials, medicines, volatile organic compounds, strong acids or highly reactive chemicals?
I'll bet that some people, in hurriedly evacuating their homes, left at least plenty of medicines behind. Volatile organic compounds, strong acids, and highly reactive chemicals are a reasonable possibility. Improperly stored explosives seem less likely, and radioactive materials highly unlikely.
I was just listing materials which require specific kinds of storage, like apparently guns in alberta do. The radioactives and explosives are much more likely at a workplace, obviously. Still the point remains. Are guns a specific case or is it general or all materials requiring specific storage procedures.
It seems pretty innocuous to me.
Course if they run any checks and prosecute/confiscate, it becomes more nocuous.