I think it's time I try Europe. Leave Seoul on August 10th, depart wherever the 18th.
Berlin, Coppenhagen, Prague?
Go home and visit your family for once, you goof.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 24, 2013, 04:05:45 AM
Go home and visit your family for once, you goof.
I went home for 23 days this January.
I paid for my sister to come visit Korea in 12.
I was back for 2 months (Oct-Dec) at the end of '11.
Stockholm is where it's at.
Forget Europe. Go to Damascus.
The road isn't safe.
So you have 8 days, you could try 3 cities in that time :cool:
You haven't been to Europe at all yet?
Quote from: The Brain on June 24, 2013, 04:17:58 AM
The road isn't safe.
It will be an eye-opening experience.
Anyway, I will gladly let Tim carry my battle standard to the heart of Europa.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 04:20:27 AM
So you have 8 days, you could try 3 cities in that time :cool:
You haven't been to Europe at all yet?
Nope, never been. Given the travel time, more like 7 days.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 04:12:34 AM
I went home for 23 days this January.
I paid for my sister to come visit Korea in 12.
I was back for 2 months (Oct-Dec) at the end of '11.
Call your mother.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 24, 2013, 04:45:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 04:12:34 AM
I went home for 23 days this January.
I paid for my sister to come visit Korea in 12.
I was back for 2 months (Oct-Dec) at the end of '11.
Call your mother.
We Skype every Sunday. We talked 23 minutes yesterday.
Not long enough.
Hmm...Syndey's another option. I might be able to wring another day out of the trip. :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 24, 2013, 04:45:28 AM
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I'll go ahead and recommend Copenhagen then. A new quite awesome exibition on vikings just opened in the national museum.
I had a few days in Copenhagen early this year. It's a lovely city but very expensive (even for someone used to London prices).
Oh, and Tim don't bother with London, England. :bowler:
Quote from: mongers on June 24, 2013, 09:14:25 AM
Oh, and Tim don't bother with London, England. :bowler:
I was going to suggest Chester and Conwy.
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 09:18:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 24, 2013, 09:14:25 AM
Oh, and Tim don't bother with London, England. :bowler:
I was going to suggest Chester and Conwy.
What has a 1940s radio comedy double-act got to do with it ? :unsure:
Quote from: mongers on June 24, 2013, 09:27:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 09:18:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 24, 2013, 09:14:25 AM
Oh, and Tim don't bother with London, England. :bowler:
I was going to suggest Chester and Conwy.
What has a 1940s radio comedy double-act got to do with it ? :unsure:
Actually now that I've looked, looks like the BBC had a tv episode of that exact itinerary. :D
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 09:30:00 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 24, 2013, 09:27:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 09:18:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 24, 2013, 09:14:25 AM
Oh, and Tim don't bother with London, England. :bowler:
I was going to suggest Chester and Conwy.
What has a 1940s radio comedy double-act got to do with it ? :unsure:
Actually now that I've looked, looks like the BBC had a tv episode of that exact itinerary. :D
:)
I think I would avoid a lot of Southern Europe for the suggested dates, much as I love those places August is not the month to go.
How is Australia in winter?
This is a summer trip.
There's no part of Australia (except maybe Tasmania?) that truly gets *cold* in the winter, right? I thought all of Australia had either a tropical climate or climates like southern California or Florida, depending on humidity.
Australia in the 60s would be less than ossum for summer vacation.
Quote from: Caliga on June 24, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
There's no part of Australia (except maybe Tasmania?) that truly gets *cold* in the winter, right? I thought all of Australia had either a tropical climate or climates like southern California or Florida, depending on humidity.
It's a continent, I wouldn't be surprised if it has a bit more variety than that.
Maybe it even has a glacier somewhere? :unsure:
edit:
I misremembered there aren't any glaciers in Australia, though bizarrely there are some in Papua/Papua New Guinea island of all places. :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 24, 2013, 03:47:06 PM
Australia in the 60s would be less than ossum for summer vacation.
Temperatures in the 60s is ossum anywhere, anytime.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 24, 2013, 03:52:48 PM
Temperatures in the 60s is ossum anywhere, anytime.
It's not beach weather. Timmy wants to shock some locals with his new Speedo.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
I think it's time I try Europe. Leave Seoul on August 10th, depart wherever the 18th.
Berlin, Coppenhagen, Prague?
If you have only one week to visit Europe, go to Italy.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 24, 2013, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 24, 2013, 03:47:06 PM
Australia in the 60s would be less than ossum for summer vacation.
Temperatures in the 60s is ossum anywhere, anytime.
I'll definitely disagree with that. Give me low 70s.
Quote from: Barrister on June 24, 2013, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
I think it's time I try Europe. Leave Seoul on August 10th, depart wherever the 18th.
Berlin, Coppenhagen, Prague?
If you have only one week to visit Europe, go to Italy.
Haven't we already had enough threads about not going to Italy in August - especially not on Aug 15 because of Ferragosto.
Quote from: mongers on June 24, 2013, 03:49:39 PM
It's a continent, I wouldn't be surprised if it has a bit more variety than that.
I dunno, I just remember reading once that except at higher elevations it doesn't get anywhere near as cold in the winter as it does in northern North America, Asia, and Europe. I think that may be true of the higher latitudes in the Southern Hemisphere generally, because there are no land masses touching the polar regions.
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 24, 2013, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
I think it's time I try Europe. Leave Seoul on August 10th, depart wherever the 18th.
Berlin, Coppenhagen, Prague?
If you have only one week to visit Europe, go to Italy.
Haven't we already had enough threads about not going to Italy in August - especially not on Aug 15 because of Ferragosto.
Good point - I forgot about that. :hmm:
Maybe London then.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
I think it's time I try Europe. Leave Seoul on August 10th, depart wherever the 18th.
Berlin, Coppenhagen, Prague?
Can you get overnight trains (or busses) between those destinations? If not you're going to spend a lot of your vacation time on the railroad or in an airport.
Quote from: Barrister on June 24, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
Good point - I forgot about that. :hmm:
Maybe London then.
If you want to see more than one city London-Cambridge-York-Edinburgh is quite doable by train.
SAVONAROLA???!!!!!
:hug:
Hey Sav, I was thinking about Detroit the other day and wondering what you were up to. :hug:
:o
Quote from: Savonarola on June 24, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 24, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
Good point - I forgot about that. :hmm:
Maybe London then.
If you want to see more than one city London-Cambridge-York-Edinburgh is quite doable by train.
I've said this before, but if you do come to the UK Tim then book those rail tickets in advance........otherwise they will cost you an arm and a leg.
Can't believe what I am saying, I am glad I clicked on a Timmy thread. A Sav drive by posting!
BTW, Tim, New Zealand is The Awesome, not as far as jewroop for you.
The Daily Mail is into Detroit.
Every now and then they run an article with lots of pretty pictures of grand deserted buildings, "ruin porn" :cool:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 24, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 24, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
Good point - I forgot about that. :hmm:
Maybe London then.
If you want to see more than one city London-Cambridge-York-Edinburgh is quite doable by train.
I've said this before, but if you do come to the UK Tim then book those rail tickets in advance........otherwise they will cost you an arm and a leg.
With now being about the appropriate time, because as I discovered, more than 2 months prior is like giving up both arms or both legs. :D
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 04:38:06 PM
The Daily Mail is into Detroit.
Every now and then they run an article with lots of pretty pictures of grand deserted buildings, "ruin porn" :cool:
You gotta make the best of what you have. :P
Quote from: Savonarola on June 24, 2013, 04:17:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
I think it's time I try Europe. Leave Seoul on August 10th, depart wherever the 18th.
Berlin, Coppenhagen, Prague?
Can you get overnight trains (or busses) between those destinations? If not you're going to spend a lot of your vacation time on the railroad or in an airport.
I was asking which I should go to, not that I was going to all of them.
If I went to Coppenhagen, I'd probably visit Hamburg. If I went to Prague, I'd probably visit Vienna, etc.
And welcome back Sav! :hug:
Only 8 days--am I reading that right? I'd probably try to keep it focused. Prague and Vienna alone could fill 8 days the way I travel.
I don't know if I'd go on an intercontinental trip for just 8 days, and if I did I think I'd keep it to only one place.
Quote from: The Larch on June 24, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
I don't know if I'd go on an intercontinental trip for just 8 days, and if I did I think I'd keep it to only one place.
Most of my initial forays to Europe were for only 9 days.
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 06:16:06 PM
Quote from: The Larch on June 24, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
I don't know if I'd go on an intercontinental trip for just 8 days, and if I did I think I'd keep it to only one place.
Most of my initial forays to Europe were for only 9 days.
Taking the trips into account or that long already on location? I mean, each one plans its holidays as they want, I personally want to spend more time in the destination if I'm making such a long trip.
Quote from: The Larch on June 24, 2013, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 06:16:06 PM
Quote from: The Larch on June 24, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
I don't know if I'd go on an intercontinental trip for just 8 days, and if I did I think I'd keep it to only one place.
Most of my initial forays to Europe were for only 9 days.
Taking the trips into account or that long already on location? I mean, each one plans its holidays as they want, I personally want to spend more time in the destination if I'm making such a long trip.
Taking into account the 2 travel days, so 7 days on vacation. Besides, most of us aren't Euroweenies with endless amounts of vacation on our hands. :P
I should add though that in all of my trips of that duration, I just did one place - so like England or Amsterdam/Hague/Utrecht or Rome/Tivoli.
I like to not keep much of a strict itinerary and allow plenty of "wandering around" time. That's tough to squeeze in if you're doing a different town each day.
I've spent probably a total of 17-20 total days in London alone but only seen half of it.
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: The Larch on June 24, 2013, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 06:16:06 PM
Quote from: The Larch on June 24, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
I don't know if I'd go on an intercontinental trip for just 8 days, and if I did I think I'd keep it to only one place.
Most of my initial forays to Europe were for only 9 days.
Taking the trips into account or that long already on location? I mean, each one plans its holidays as they want, I personally want to spend more time in the destination if I'm making such a long trip.
Taking into account the 2 travel days, so 7 days on vacation. Besides, most of us aren't Euroweenies with endless amounts of vacation on our hands. :P
I should add though that in all of my trips of that duration, I just did one place - so like England or Amsterdam/Hague/Utrecht or Rome/Tivoli.
My rationale is not based on having lots of holiday time to spend, but in a "if I'm shelling hundreds of bucks for plane tickets I'm going to want to milk this trip for all its worth". :contract:
Anyway, we're in agreement, with that time frame it's better to stick to just one place. :cheers:
I agree t'is better to sit and savor than blitz and gasp.
Quote from: Caliga on June 24, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
There's no part of Australia (except maybe Tasmania?) that truly gets *cold* in the winter, right? I thought all of Australia had either a tropical climate or climates like southern California or Florida, depending on humidity.
I was freezing my ass of in southern Australia in the summer or spring, or whatever they call november. Melbournians walking around in winter coats, etc. So I'm guessing yes, it'll get cold.
Quote from: Liep on June 24, 2013, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 24, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
There's no part of Australia (except maybe Tasmania?) that truly gets *cold* in the winter, right? I thought all of Australia had either a tropical climate or climates like southern California or Florida, depending on humidity.
I was freezing my ass of in southern Australia in the summer or spring, or whatever they call november. Melbournians walking around in winter coats, etc. So I'm guessing yes, it'll get cold.
Does Northern Queensland get horribly hot? I heard Darwin does.
Quote from: The Larch on June 24, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
I don't know if I'd go on an intercontinental trip for just 8 days, and if I did I think I'd keep it to only one place.
I'm taking the autogyro to Austria-Hungary! :bowler:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 24, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: Liep on June 24, 2013, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 24, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
There's no part of Australia (except maybe Tasmania?) that truly gets *cold* in the winter, right? I thought all of Australia had either a tropical climate or climates like southern California or Florida, depending on humidity.
I was freezing my ass of in southern Australia in the summer or spring, or whatever they call november. Melbournians walking around in winter coats, etc. So I'm guessing yes, it'll get cold.
Does Northern Queensland get horribly hot? I heard Darwin does.
I don't think Darwin's in Queensland, but yeah Queensland gets hot and humid, so preferable in winter/spring.
That does seem very short for going to Europe. You're talking 2 or 3 days lost in just getting there and back, then there's the jetlag...
Prague and Vienna are both nice though.
Quote from: Liep on June 24, 2013, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 24, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
Does Northern Queensland get horribly hot? I heard Darwin does.
I don't think Darwin's in Queensland, but yeah Queensland gets hot and humid, so preferable in winter/spring.
Yeah Darwin is in NT. I was thinking the QL peninsula area had a very different climate though.
Yes, it's got a tropical climate.
It's fucking hit and humid in Far North Queensland. Down by Brisbane and Surfer's paradise are much more tolerable.
Tim would love Alice Springs.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 24, 2013, 07:18:37 PM
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Quote from: Tyr on June 24, 2013, 06:43:08 PM
That does seem very short for going to Europe. You're talking 2 or 3 days lost in just getting there and back, then there's the jetlag...
Prague and Vienna are both nice though.
7 Days sounds good. Those cities are just 250km apart.
Use the travel money to instead buy stock in a mortgage real estate investment trust. They might be oversold right now. Fat dividends.
If I had to choose between Vienna and Prague, which would be recommended?
Vienna for the inspiration for more alt-hist maps.
Prague. One small fall for Tim, one giant win for Languish. -_-
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 09:18:21 PM
If I had to choose between Vienna and Prague, which would be recommended?
Vienna. Definitely.
Tim, I assume most of your life you will be living on the east coast of the US?
Europe is relatively easy and cheap to visit from there. Asia and Australia are not.
Also, not to knock other places in Europe, but Paris, London, and Rome are really the essentials. I think a week in any of those cities is plenty, but if you want to split it up there is a fast train between Paris and London.
I assume you haven't been to PRC? Maybe get a visa and go there?
Another idea is Nepal.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 24, 2013, 10:39:43 PM
Tim, I assume most of your life you will be living on the east coast of the US?
Europe is relatively easy and cheap to visit from there. Asia and Australia are not.
Also, not to knock other places in Europe, but Paris, London, and Rome are really the essentials. I think a week in any of those cities is plenty, but if you want to split it up there is a fast train between Paris and London.
And will I have the money and time to do so? Who knows, the time is now.
Your logic is as dumb as you Timmay.
He wants to go to Europe and is willing to pay for it, what's so illogical about that?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 25, 2013, 02:08:40 AM
He wants to go to Europe and is willing to pay for it, what's so illogical about that?
Sounds illogical and or sad that he figures he'll never have the chance to go to Europe if he doesn't now. Meanwhile, choosing to skip places he'll certainly never go to then with that mindset.
Uhh, maybe he wants to start a family sometime? That tends to put a damper on the travel budget.
And as he's been living in Asia and taken a few trips in the area already, Europe offers more variety.
Now you're just making things up. ;)
Also, I don't actually know but I'd imagine Australia is pretty different.
Quote from: garbon on June 25, 2013, 06:52:45 AM
I'd imagine Australia is pretty different.
Still a fairly lengthy flight from Korea. Also a place with even less history than America.
I mean, if you want to go to Australia, that's cool, but if you don't you aren't going to go just because it's a few hundred dollars cheaper.
Fair enough. On a different topic, I wonder why Tim didn't seem interested in what A listed as the essentials - given that this could be his only trip to Europe.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
I was asking which I should go to, not that I was going to all of them.
If I went to Coppenhagen, I'd probably visit Hamburg. If I went to Prague, I'd probably visit Vienna, etc.
And welcome back Sav! :hug:
That makes more sense.
I've been to Copenhagen. The city is clean, the people are pleasant and the food is... well, how much do you like herring? Like Gups said, it is incredibly expensive, much more so than Milan, Paris or London. Helsingør (Elsinore) and Roskile (Rothskilde) are both nice day trips. I haven't been to the other cities on your list.
Hamburg is nice for a few days. Probably better than when I was just there as it wouldn't be freezing anymore. :D
Hello Sav, i won't say welcome back as not sure if this isn't more than a drive by Savonarola sighting. :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 25, 2013, 07:01:44 AM
I mean, if you want to go to Australia, that's cool, but if you don't you aren't going to go just because it's a few hundred dollars cheaper.
Its not just a few hundred.....
Plus Northern Aus is really nice.
Actually, I just remembered a new budget airline that is running between Seoul and Osaka. I can get tickets for $250 and see Osaka and Kyoto, use all the money I save on airfare to stay at a swank hotel.
:lol:
We could have had wonderful Schnitzel. :(
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
We could have had wonderful Schnitzel. :(
Sorry, a ticket to Vienna is like $1400. :(
Even if you were willing to house me for a week the cost wouldn't come out equal. ;)
Kyoto is the awesome.
Swank hotels? Save a little dough and stay in a modest ryoken there...they're pretty cool.
Also, Himeji castle is an easy day/train trip from Kyoto.
You will also get a bonus for fighting in enemy territory.
Quote from: Barrister on June 24, 2013, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 09:18:21 PM
If I had to choose between Vienna and Prague, which would be recommended?
Vienna. Definitely.
Depends on what kind of fun he's looking for actually. :P
He's a single dude, remember.
Quote from: PDH on June 26, 2013, 09:09:49 PM
You will also get a bonus for fighting in enemy territory.
:thumbsdown:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 26, 2013, 06:55:29 AM
Actually, I just remembered a new budget airline that is running between Seoul and Osaka. I can get tickets for $250 and see Osaka and Kyoto, use all the money I save on airfare to stay at a swank hotel.
Since you are worried about the possibility of not having enough money to travel to Europe from the east coast at some future date, you could stay at a normal hotel and put the rest into a savings account for a future trip to europe. :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 26, 2013, 07:20:12 AM
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
We could have had wonderful Schnitzel. :(
Sorry, a ticket to Vienna is like $1400. :(
Even if you were willing to house me for a week the cost wouldn't come out equal. ;)
I don't react too well to having to share my place with people for too long - a few nights would have been ok, but after a week ... I don't think you would have needed the return ticket. :P
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 26, 2013, 06:55:29 AM
Actually, I just remembered a new budget airline that is running between Seoul and Osaka. I can get tickets for $250 and see Osaka and Kyoto, use all the money I save on airfare to stay at a swank hotel.
That makes some sense.
Himeji is cool as is the main history museum in Osaka; definitely something up your alley I'd think. Kyoto is pretty cool, and by far the best way to explore it is by bicycle (you can rent them, and many accommodation places have loaners as well). Some pretty cool palaces and temples in Kyoto as well, with the Shogun's palace being one of the most interesting ones.
I second the suggestion to find a ryokan as well; you can go mid-range or even down-market and have a good time, but swank will be pretty sweet too. Personally, I'd save some of the money for fancy eating if you're into food at all - there are some good kaiseki places in Kyoto (maybe ask Mono, he's the expert there) which are pretty unique experiences.
Quote from: Jacob on June 27, 2013, 12:02:24 AM
if you're into food at all
He couldn't live without it.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 26, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
Also, Himeji castle is an easy day/train trip from Kyoto.
Have they unscaffolded that yet? It was under reconstruction when I was in Japan. :(
Tim, where should you go this summer?
You should go to hell.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 26, 2013, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 24, 2013, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2013, 09:18:21 PM
If I had to choose between Vienna and Prague, which would be recommended?
Vienna. Definitely.
Depends on what kind of fun he's looking for actually. :P
He's a single dude, remember.
He's also a history nerd. The museums in Vienna are OSSUM.
If he's looking for some other kind of fun, apparently he should try Amsterdam. :ph34r:
Quote from: Siege on June 27, 2013, 08:45:40 AM
Tim, where should you go this summer?
You should go to hell.
Oh my.