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#41
Off the Record / Re: Refractory Gauls, or the F...
Last post by Sheilbh - Today at 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 02:14:15 PMI didn't mean physically making himself emperor by taking the crown, I meant the desire to be emperor at all :D wasn't satisfied "just" being a king.
Yeah and even on those terms, while that is a fair point by the head of the International Napoleonic Society. But I don't think the main thing people are observing in Napoleon crowning himself isn't that he "snatched the crown from the pope" but the symbolic meaning of crowning himself.

It certainly includes that he was becoming emperor on his own merits - but I think it's suggestive of more than just that :lol:
#42
Off the Record / Re: Refractory Gauls, or the F...
Last post by HVC - Today at 02:14:15 PM
I didn't mean physically making himself emperor by taking the crown, I meant the desire to be emperor at all :D wasn't satisfied "just" being a king.
#43
Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...
Last post by viper37 - Today at 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2024, 08:35:18 PMIs that how they teach it in Quebec or your personal perspective?
A mix of both.
#44
Off the Record / Re: Refractory Gauls, or the F...
Last post by viper37 - Today at 02:10:01 PM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 10:46:43 AMThe desire to crown yourself emperor doesn't exactly portray a man looking for peace and tranquility :D
The crowning formula was varied to use a plural form ("Coronet vos..." instead of "Coronet te..."), precisely because the Coronation of Jos├ęphine followed immediately after the assumption of the Crown by Napoleon. As for the omitted Roman formula Accipe coronam..., which depicted the monarch as receiving his crown from the Church, its use would have clashed with Napoleon's decision to crown himself. Historian J. David Markham, who also serves as head of the International Napoleonic Society,[13] alleged in his book Napoleon For Dummies "Napoleon's detractors like to say that he snatched the crown from the pope, or that this was an act of unbelievable arrogance, but neither of those charges holds water. The most likely explanation is that Napoleon was symbolizing that he was becoming emperor based on his own merits and the will of the people, and not in the name of a religious consecration. The pope knew about this move from the beginning and had no objection (not that it would have mattered)


From Wikipedia, but it's sourced.  He never took the crown from the Pope.  He crowned himself to distinguish his reign from the monarchy.
#45
Off the Record / Re: Refractory Gauls, or the F...
Last post by viper37 - Today at 02:03:44 PM
Quote from: Tamas on Today at 03:25:00 AMSo, if the English weren't dead set on removing him no matter how much of Europe has to burn, would Napoleon had done all that conquering and war making?
Half the wars would not have happened.

The other half are a toss up.
#46
Off the Record / Re: 2024 US Presidential Elect...
Last post by Sheilbh - Today at 01:52:45 PM
Yeah - they're not Biden backers necessarily but there has been a bit of "why are you mentioning this? Back the team" and some stuff about how sharp and on the ball he is in private online. I imagine as those people are, I assume, just hard-core Democrats so probably fine, but I think it might be worth Democrats thinking how to manage them and what sort of messaging might work.
#47
Off the Record / Re: 2024 US Presidential Elect...
Last post by frunk - Today at 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 01:02:25 PMThat seems like a pretty insignificant concern in this case. There was no primary, really. So there was never really an effort to enfranchise people on who the nominee was going to be. If there had been a real competitive primary where Biden has beaten off serious challengers I could see this but in this situation?

And the man has had an approval rating in the 30s for years.

It wasn't competitive because no one had a chance of beating Biden in the primary, not because the primary wasn't held.  If it was a competitive primary that would argue more for Biden to withdraw in favor of whoever was in contention, rather than "this guy won overwhelmingly, now we are going to get rid of him".
#48
Off the Record / Re: 2024 US Presidential Elect...
Last post by DGuller - Today at 01:05:58 PM
Yeah, in this particular case, the primaries de facto never happened, so there is no franchise to dis.  I think everyone understands that this isn't the case of insiders overruling the voters.
#49
Off the Record / Re: EURO 2024
Last post by HVC - Today at 01:03:27 PM
Although to really turn the screw the Scotts or Irish really need to up their game.
#50
Off the Record / Re: EURO 2024
Last post by HVC - Today at 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Today at 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 12:20:50 PMAlthough in such a fashion that they had to change the rules :lol:

Still good for smack-talking the English. A win is a win :showoff:

Fair, and I approve :D