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#61

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Richard Hakluyt - July 06, 2025, 08:13:57 AM

It would be capricious if the government deciding not to arrest those supporting a group it had declared a terrorist organization.

The red lines for me are material support and incitement to violence.  Everything besides that should be an issue for manners, not the criminal code.

The particular group in question likes to throw red paint on things, including a couple of military jets. The appropriate response would be to charge the offenders with criminal damage (which carries a sentence of up to 10 years), but the government has decided that this non-violent direct action should be treated under terrorism laws. By proscribing the organisation even expressions of support become offences under the terrorism act.

#62

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Sheilbh - July 06, 2025, 08:13:29 AM

Only 26 MPs voted against the legislation.

Tories and Labour backed it (I think there were about 10 Labour rebels), the unionist MPs backed it, Lib Dems split equally. Greens and SDLP voted against. Interestingly the SNP just didn't turn up.

And worth noting that inevitably the order also proscribed some more clear organisations like the Maniac Murder Club (neo-Nazis) and Russian Imperial Movement.

#63

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Sheilbh - July 06, 2025, 08:05:26 AM

People on Reddit claimed London Pride was held up for an hour after pro-Palestine protestors threw stuff (paint, I think?) on the march. Odd I didn't see anything about it on the Guardian.

From social media it did happen but was probably not a big deal (just threw some red paint on police vehicles and the road). But also this is relatively common - in recent years climate protesters and gender critical lesbians (who were barred from the main parade) have also done this sort of protest.

On Palestine Action, it's absurd that they've been proscribed as a terrorist organisation - but as they have, as Garbon says, this kind of flows from it. And on Jos' point I think there's a fair amount of case law and guidance for the police on that because it is complicated. For comparison, the list of other proscribed organisations under counter-terrorism legislation:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version

(I do think wanting to commit violence against people should be a minimum criteria for being listed as terrorists...)

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#64

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by mongers - July 06, 2025, 07:38:18 AM

29 "terrorists" were arrested in London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gd3pkr9x1o 

It would be capricious if the government deciding not to arrest those supporting a group it had declared a terrorist organization.

Yeah, it's not like this is a move straight out of the trump playbook or anything.

Only 26 MPs voted against the legislation.

 

#65

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Admiral Yi - July 06, 2025, 07:34:51 AM

The UK operates differently from the US.

And based on what I've read I concluded they're doing it wrong.

#66

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by garbon - July 06, 2025, 07:30:33 AM

It would be capricious if the government deciding not to arrest those supporting a group it had declared a terrorist organization.

The red lines for me are material support and incitement to violence.  Everything besides that should be an issue for manners, not the criminal code.

The UK operates differently from the US.

#67

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by garbon - July 06, 2025, 07:26:39 AM

29 "terrorists" were arrested in London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gd3pkr9x1o 

It would be capricious if the government deciding not to arrest those supporting a group it had declared a terrorist organization.

Yeah, it's not like this is a move straight out of the trump playbook or anything.

Only 26 MPs voted against the legislation.

#68

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Admiral Yi - July 06, 2025, 07:25:39 AM

It would be capricious if the government deciding not to arrest those supporting a group it had declared a terrorist organization.

The red lines for me are material support and incitement to violence.  Everything besides that should be an issue for manners, not the criminal code.

#69

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by mongers - July 06, 2025, 07:25:16 AM

29 "terrorists" were arrested in London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gd3pkr9x1o 

It would be capricious if the government deciding not to arrest those supporting a group it had declared a terrorist organization.

Yeah, it's not like this is a move straight out of the trump playbook or anything.

#70

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by Admiral Yi - July 06, 2025, 07:22:44 AM

New PBS/Maris poll has approval on Trump's immigration policy at 43%.

That's the same as his prexisting approval of 45.  Immigration has not moved the needle.