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#51
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by Admiral Yi - March 15, 2025, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 15, 2025, 11:55:25 AMVery suspicious, as I think I said before, about how this man was completely incompetent when it came to whipping up votes to pass laws Biden promised and were incredibly popular with voters, but suddenly a master when it comes to whipping up votes to help Trump and do something 99% of Democratic voters are opposed to.

99% of Democratic voters are opposed to the spending bill?  You got a link for that?
#52
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by Zoupa - March 15, 2025, 09:08:21 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 15, 2025, 02:58:03 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on March 15, 2025, 02:02:40 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 14, 2025, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on March 14, 2025, 04:42:20 PMI had high hopes for Fetterman. Turned out to be a pretty big piece of shit. He had his stroke and reverted to factory settings for middle-aged white american man.
Yes, let's definitely normalize bigotry against white men, what can go wrong?

 :lol:

Cry me a fucking river my man. Jesus Christ. You snowflakes are so sensitive.
I'm not sensitive to this bigotry because I'm a middle-aged white man, I'm sensitive to it because left wing bigots who think their bigotry is virtuous probably had a big part in making me live under the orange man.

Yes, this franco-canadian had a big part in making you live under the orange man.

That makes a whole lot of sense. God forbid you blame the actual people who voted for him right? They had no choice though. They have no agency. They were bullied into voting for him by all the trans and the woke and the cancel mob.

Fucking idiot.
#53
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Grey Fox - March 15, 2025, 08:54:46 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 15, 2025, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 15, 2025, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 15, 2025, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 15, 2025, 12:26:21 PMI'm not reading that. Why you, of all people, would think a statistical model would be a good tool to use to parse a philosophical argument.
Because I, of all people, think that it would be?  Also, "I had no idea a pragmatic perspective could lead one to such ridiculous conclusions." is not exactly the deepest work of philosophy produced by a human.

That's the stupidest thing ever said on Languish.
What's breathtaking is the sheer amount of lack of curiosity.  You actually concede that I have at least some authority to evaluate what a statistical model can and can't do, and yet you seem to completely dismiss the possibility that I may have an insight that you don't.

That's fair. I did dismiss it but not because of you but because LLMs are poor implementations of AI capabilities. My judgement of Chat GPT is already completed and I dismiss almost all use of it as bad.

With that said when AI is concerned I know too much while not knowing enough. It's disconcerting.
#55
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by DGuller - March 15, 2025, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 15, 2025, 07:57:31 PMit's a toy if you use it as a toy. a sword can kill and is a weapon if used in the manner intended. If someone takes that same sword and waves it around going "whoosh whoosh" while dancing around it becomes a toy. that's what you're doing.
I'm not using it as a toy.  My main use of it is behind the scenes.  Every post I write is entirely in my words and my thoughts, unless I'm quoting an AI, but sometimes I run what I intend to post by it.  I want to make sure that I correctly interpreted what I'm replying to, and that I'm making a sound argument in response.

In this case, when I'm quoting it, I'm using it essentially as an arbiter when I think a foul needs to be called.  When you thoughtfully lay out an argument and someone engages you in really bad faith, it gets really tiring to engage in a long sequence of claims and counterclaims.  It's also not even a debate at this stage, so really nothing is lost by having an impartial AI point out what frankly other posters here should've pointed out.
#56
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Admiral Yi - March 15, 2025, 08:04:40 PM
I agree with DeepChat. 
#57
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by HVC - March 15, 2025, 07:57:31 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 15, 2025, 07:55:24 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 15, 2025, 06:34:44 PMDguller you think playing with your toy makes you look clever. It doesn't, it makes you look petulant and childish. Also, for someone who often  touts his own intelligence and clarity of thought this little thing you do is intellectually lazy. feel free to reply with chatGPT, I don't really expect much more from you when you act like this.
There is nothing intellectually stimulating about repeatedly having to demolish gross misrepresentation of what you said, it actually gets very tiring and discourages being thoughtful.  It's even more discouraging when you have plenty of people willing to jump on you for quoting an AI, and exactly zero people jumping on someone arguing in breathtakingly bad faith.

As far as looking clever, he's one thing that definitely makes you not look that:  calling ChatGPT a toy.  You don't have to like it, you don't have to not feel threatened by it or by what it portends about the future, but if you think it's still a toy in 2025, you're just being deliberately obtuse.

it's a toy if you use it as a toy. a sword can kill and is a weapon if used in the manner intended. If someone takes that same sword and waves it around going "whoosh whoosh" while dancing around it becomes a toy. that's what you're doing.
#58
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by crazy canuck - March 15, 2025, 07:56:47 PM
You're right it is definitely not a toy. It is a destructive piece of technology that allows its users to delude themselves into believing that it gives them answers they can rely upon.

#59
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by DGuller - March 15, 2025, 07:55:24 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 15, 2025, 06:34:44 PMDguller you think playing with your toy makes you look clever. It doesn't, it makes you look petulant and childish. Also, for someone who often  touts his own intelligence and clarity of thought this little thing you do is intellectually lazy. feel free to reply with chatGPT, I don't really expect much more from you when you act like this.
There is nothing intellectually stimulating about repeatedly having to demolish gross misrepresentation of what you said, it actually gets very tiring and discourages being thoughtful.  It's even more discouraging when you have plenty of people willing to jump on you for quoting an AI, and exactly zero people jumping on someone arguing in breathtakingly bad faith.

As far as looking clever, he's one thing that definitely makes you not look that:  calling ChatGPT a toy.  You don't have to like it, you don't have to not feel threatened by it or by what it portends about the future, but if you think it's still a toy in 2025, you're just being deliberately obtuse.
#60
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Razgovory - March 15, 2025, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 15, 2025, 04:21:00 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 15, 2025, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 14, 2025, 08:16:46 PMI wonder why the Hamas leadership were such assholes to the children of Gaza.
Because dead children win support over seas. 

And because Hamas knew they could count on the Israeli government to cooperate in creating large numbers of dead Gazan children.

This is the part I don't think you are seeing. There is a symbiotic relationship between Hamas and the Netanyahu coalition.  They each feed on the outrages of the other.
One day Netanyahu will be gone, but Hamas will remain.  If the Labor party was in power in Israel they still would have launched Oct 7th, and it's likely Israel would have responded the same way.  How would the US respond to something like that?  Even under Biden.  It would be bombing, followed by troops invading.