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#11
Off the Record / Re: 2024 US Presidential Elect...
Last post by Josquius - Today at 05:37:44 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 04:57:20 AM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 04:32:32 AMI hope the age of misogyny angle gets some examination out of this. I do think its quite the cornerstone factor of everything here.
As the power of women in the world rises, factually they're increasingly the ones getting the good education, the jobs (albeit not the TOP jobs), etc... whilst traditional "mens work" and "values" collapses...this has a lot of men pissed off and jumping to reactionary nonsense.
Harris being a woman was an issue in itself but it also helped tie her to the trash about "woke" gender changing immigrants eating dogs in schools. Also she was Caliofornian. That's not good for reactionaries.

I have seen examinations in Europe of how this is the way things are increasingly diverging here... But nothing from an American angle yet.

That's great.  Is there a way we use this knowledge to get more votes?

If the easy solution was known people would be doing it.

I do think long term the solution is clear; education, focus on improving quality of life for the working class.
But this doesn't happen overnight, and the other party have a direct interest in sabotaging any efforts in this direction.

Tackling social media could also be something.
#12
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Last post by Tamas - Today at 05:37:22 AM
I meant also Europe not just the US. Nowhere the recipe for success against the far-right was to shut up and let them roam.
#13
Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...
Last post by Josquius - Today at 05:35:34 AM
Quote from: Tamas on Today at 04:47:41 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on Today at 12:49:37 AMWell, at least we won't have to do this again four years from now.

 :lol: as garbon said the only way he is not running in 4 years is if there won't be a presidential election at all. Who is going to stop him going for a 3rd term? The SC? LOL

He already  looks half dead.
I doubt he'll live till the next election.
Which is a worry honestly. Not just playing hyperbole games but this is something Trump has in common with Hitler, the precise things that made him so dangerous for getting into power make him good to have in power. A more competent Hitler/Trump would never have gotten into a position of power in the first place.
But neatly remove Trump from the equation with sudden death then suddenly you have in power someone just as menacing as him but less likely to be distracted from directly targeting a keystone of democracy by some crap he heard on TV that morning.
#14
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Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 05:35:02 AM
Internal divisions, criminal behavior by leaders – especially Stephenson's conviction for the abduction, rape, and murder of Madge Oberholtzer – and external opposition brought about a collapse in the membership of both groups. The main group's membership had dropped to about 30,000 by 1930.

wiki on the Klan

#15
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Last post by Valmy - Today at 05:30:27 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 05:28:04 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on Today at 05:02:24 AMI believe it was written down in plan 2025. So, I will concede it more likely that Vance or one of his minions came up with it.

To clarify, are you saying that plan 2025 says birthright citizenship should be stripped *retroactively*?

That sounds like way too much work for the Trump Whitehouse to do. They would probably just change it going forward.
#16
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Last post by Valmy - Today at 05:28:10 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 05:21:53 AM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 05:07:19 AMThe Klan got demolished by the depression and then put out of its misery by Roosevelt so not really.

Maybe the America First movement?

Wasn't the heyday of the Klan around the time of Wilson's administration?  I'm operating on imperfect information but I thought they had ceased to be an important factor in national politics long before the Depression.  How did the Depression demolish them?  All unemployed and couldn't afford sheets and crosses?

I just wikied America First.  Gerald K. Smith got 1,780 votes in the 1944 election.

It's hey day was in the 1920s, and loomed particularly large in the 1924 election to the point that the Democratic nominee had to denounce it. But it was designed to be a business empire as well as a terrorist one and the depression killed its financial footing. So it was a husk by the time Roosevelt killed it.

I was just speculating what Tamas was referring to. I think Roosevelt did a great job stopping extremist movements from starting despite a load of charismatic  demagogues out there.
#17
Off the Record / Re: 2024 US Presidential Elect...
Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 05:28:04 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on Today at 05:02:24 AMI believe it was written down in plan 2025. So, I will concede it more likely that Vance or one of his minions came up with it.

To clarify, are you saying that plan 2025 says birthright citizenship should be stripped *retroactively*?
#18
Off the Record / Re: 2024 US Presidential Elect...
Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 05:21:53 AM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 05:07:19 AMThe Klan got demolished by the depression and then put out of its misery by Roosevelt so not really.

Maybe the America First movement?

Wasn't the heyday of the Klan around the time of Wilson's administration?  I'm operating on imperfect information but I thought they had ceased to be an important factor in national politics long before the Depression.  How did the Depression demolish them?  All unemployed and couldn't afford sheets and crosses?

I just wikied America First.  Gerald K. Smith got 1,780 votes in the 1944 election.
#19
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Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 05:10:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on Today at 05:02:24 AMSorry if I came off in a confrontational way. Didn't mean to offend.

You didn't.  I'm not offended.  Failure to concede points is just part of what I see as the greater trend of decaying manners that I would like to see reversed.
#20
Off the Record / Re: 2024 US Presidential Elect...
Last post by Valmy - Today at 05:07:19 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 05:05:31 AM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 04:55:36 AMI think he is referring to extremist forces during the depression.

The German American Bund?  That was a couple thousand people.  Not very surgy.

The rise and fall of the influence of the Klan would be a much better case study.

The Klan got demolished by the depression and then put out of its misery by Roosevelt so not really.

Maybe the America First movement?