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#31
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by CountDeMoney - Today at 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on Today at 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:11:47 PMSo now it goes to a state vs state battle until the Republicans gain control of the house/senate/presidency again.

Up to the American people how they want this to go.

You already know how they'll choose.

Do I? Thanks to Roe this hasn't really been a single issue voting deal for a lot of people. We'll see.

LOL. It's been a single issue voting deal for more than enough people the last 40 years to accomplish what they wanted to accomplish. Just like the guns.

If only there was some way this sort of thing could've been prevented...


 
#32
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by Sheilbh - Today at 02:31:44 PM
Quote from: The Larch on Today at 02:25:24 PMAnd I read somewhere that it quotes as part of its historical reasoning to defend its decision the post-English Civil War period. Truly relevant.
It's really weird how big a deal 17th and 18th century jurists are in the US and how basically irrelevant in England. I suppose it's because that is the intellectual context of the founders but it's still odd.
#33
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by The Larch - Today at 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on Today at 01:34:04 PMIs it right that I read the New York gun control law that's been overturned is 108 years old? It also seems like "historical understanding" is relevant to some issues but not others.

And I read somewhere that it quotes as part of its historical reasoning to defend its decision the post-English Civil War period. Truly relevant.
#34
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by Valmy - Today at 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: merithyn on Today at 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on Today at 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:11:47 PMSo now it goes to a state vs state battle until the Republicans gain control of the house/senate/presidency again.

Up to the American people how they want this to go.

You already know how they'll choose.

Do I? Thanks to Roe this hasn't really been a single issue voting deal for a lot of people. We'll see.

If you don't, you haven't been paying attention. It will be a Republican rout and abortions will be illegal because THEN the SCOTUS will decide that it really is a federal thing and shouldn't be left to the states.


This country is pretty gerrymandered, I don't think a huge rout when the Dems are already in a pretty weak state is possible.
#35
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by merithyn - Today at 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on Today at 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:11:47 PMSo now it goes to a state vs state battle until the Republicans gain control of the house/senate/presidency again.

Up to the American people how they want this to go.

You already know how they'll choose.

Do I? Thanks to Roe this hasn't really been a single issue voting deal for a lot of people. We'll see.

If you don't, you haven't been paying attention. It will be a Republican rout and abortions will be illegal because THEN the SCOTUS will decide that it really is a federal thing and shouldn't be left to the states.
#36
Off the Record / Re: Trans athletes
Last post by Valmy - Today at 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on Today at 02:01:15 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 23, 2022, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: Josquius on June 21, 2022, 04:55:43 PMI've no idea what triggered it but in recent days there seems to be an rush of bans on transgender athletes in sport.

It is the in for the transphobes.

The thing is that yes this is an issue. But it is such a small issue that only impacts sports at the very highest levels of competition. something that will only likely impact a small percentage of athletes, much less people. So sure for like 0.01% of cis and transwomen this problem is a big deal and does need a solution. But ultimately if sports are made unfair for elite cis woman athletes and that is the price we have to pay for full trans acceptance, that is not exactly the end of the world. But I am sure there is a better solution than that and we will find one.

It is really unfortunate, and frankly bullshit, that this is what is being used to go after trans people.

I've said this before in other arguments:

The fact that something happens in really small numbers isn't actually an argument we shouldn't do anything about it.  It in fact means that if we do something about it it will be really easy since it affects so few people.

Are some people making arguments about transwomen participating in elite sports against ciswomen made in bad faith?  Sure.  But do they also have a point?  Also true.

Of course they have a point, that is why this is their in. That is what I was saying. They can find agreement here and use that for their ends. That was my entire point.

And of course something should be done but not to the detriment of a larger amount of people than we are helping.

I thought that was clear in my post.
#37
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by Valmy - Today at 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on Today at 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:11:47 PMSo now it goes to a state vs state battle until the Republicans gain control of the house/senate/presidency again.

Up to the American people how they want this to go.

You already know how they'll choose.

Do I? Thanks to Roe this hasn't really been a single issue voting deal for a lot of people. We'll see.
#38
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by Habbaku - Today at 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 02:11:47 PMSo now it goes to a state vs state battle until the Republicans gain control of the house/senate/presidency again.

Up to the American people how they want this to go.

You already know how they'll choose.
#39
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by Valmy - Today at 02:11:47 PM
So now it goes to a state vs state battle until the Republicans gain control of the house/senate/presidency again.

Up to the American people how they want this to go.
#40
Off the Record / Re: Supreme Court has voted to...
Last post by merithyn - Today at 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on Today at 12:20:04 PMWhere's Susan Collins? She'll straighten this all out in no time.

 If she's smart, she'll be hiding in her bunker with McConnell.