In an interesting development, the University of Michigan has teamed with Domino's Pizza (HQ in Ann Arbor) to rename Michigan Stadium to Domino's Pizza Stadium in exchange for a cool $5 million a year. It's just a ten-year deal, though.
http://www.chatsports.com/rumors-humor/a/michigan-signs-deal-ann-arbor-based-dominos-pizza-rename-michigan-stadium-32739 (http://www.chatsports.com/rumors-humor/a/michigan-signs-deal-ann-arbor-based-dominos-pizza-rename-michigan-stadium-32739)
QuoteBo Schembechler just rolled over in his grave. In a stunning and unexpected move, the Michigan Wolverines have announced they are changing the name of the iconic Michigan Stadium. Ann Arbor-based Domino's Pizza will become the title sponsor of the new "Domino's Pizza Stadium." Domino's Pizza is expected to pay upwards of $50 million for a 10-year deal on the naming rights.
How many Michigan State grads do you think are going to fall for this one? ALL OF THEM
So, the Wolverines are now in Rome as part of their spring training. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19212478/follow-jim-harbaugh-michigan-wolverines-their-trip-rome (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19212478/follow-jim-harbaugh-michigan-wolverines-their-trip-rome) They'll spend a week sightseeing and get in three practices, then split up to do three weeks of individual/small group classes all over Europe as part of the school's regular international education program.
Apparently the last practice will be an actual game, so the Italians get to see another example of how American football works.
Must be nice to go to a school that has a money cannon like Michigan's. This is going to be an annual event (South Africa next year, then New Zealand the following year). What high school kid wouldn't want to play for Harbaugh in college?
One that wants to not play for a psycho.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 23, 2017, 06:39:01 PM
One that wants to not play for a psycho.
Saban is out, agreed. But he and Wilson (who works for him) are the only psychos doing college ball.
Harbaugh gets money for stuff for the student in the student athlete. Other coaches don't do that to nearly his extent.
Wyoming went through Spring Ball without losing a game to another team. I count that as a win.
The Ohio State and UDub sign a home and home, which is good as reports Harbaugh U is trying to back out of the Home and Home already setup.
QuoteOhio State and Washington have agreed to a home-and-home series in 2024 and 2025, the schools announced Thursday.
Washington will host the first game in Seattle on Sept. 14, 2024, and will pay a return visit to Columbus on Sept. 13 the following year. The schools, both of which were semifinalists in the College Football Playoff this past season, have played 11 times in a series that began in 1957.
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2017, 05:25:40 PM
The Ohio State and UDub sign a home and home, which is good as reports Harbaugh U is trying to back out of the Home and Home already setup.
I'm not sure how much credence to give to the rumors that Michigan will cancel the UDub series. I know that there has been talk of how the nine-game conference slate makes playing two major P5 powers (in 2020 and 2021 that will be UDub and VaTech), but the fans are all for keeping the games. Plus, the buyout is big. Based on what is being reported ight now, the program will grumble and play the games. Gotta justify those ticket prices.
Not a single Arizona player drafted. Not one.
I don't care how great a coach RichRod is on game day. You cannot win if you cannot recruit 4 or 5 star recruits consistently, and in numbers competitive with the rest of your conference.
Arizona has not done that, and until they do, they will be, at best, mediocre. An occasional surprising season when a few under-rated players turn out to be a lot better than expected, but overall average at best, and below average more often than not.
Arizona hired a new AD this year. I think Rich Rod could be in trouble. Arizona still doesn't have Pac-12 talent or depth, and there is no real reason to think that they will improve much this year.
Some UFA thought right? :P
Some have questioned whether Jim Harbaugh is worth his $5 million salary (plus an interest-free one-time $4 million loan, which has to be repaid), but the numbers for his results indictae that, yes, he is worth it:
(1) 20-6 record, after previous regime went 12-13 over the previous 2 seasons
(2) #3 in Academic Progress Rate (up from #41 under Hoke in 2013)
(3) #3 ranked recruiting class this year, #5 last year. Best in previous 10 years: #7 in 2012, with no others in top ten
(4) Record 93,000 season tickets sold this year (basically, sold out, with visiting team and events tickets held out); first NCAA team to go over $100 million in revenue and NCAA-record $65 million football profit (that doesn't include TV/Media; it's just football revenue)
(5) Program record 11 players drafted
(6) lots of innovative ways to get good press for the program like the recent Rome trip
(7) the unquantifiable value of royally pissing off every SEC coach and making them squeal like little babies
(8) unified the fan and alumni base like nobody since Bo.
He could ask for a lot more and get it, but money isn't his gig.
Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!
Plus he annoys Finebaum.
Wyoming: Not on Nevada's schedule again.
One of these days I'm getting Peedy to Reno. Maybe next year.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 04, 2017, 08:22:35 PM
Plus he annoys Finebaum.
Everything annoys Finebaum except Nick Saban's cock.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 04, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
Wyoming: Not on Nevada's schedule again.
One of these days I'm getting Peedy to Reno. Maybe next year.
Oh when they play in Reno next time I'm there. I'll drive up Friday, pick up Seedy and Ed at the airport, and the four of us can run amok in Reno.
Quote from: PDH on May 04, 2017, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 04, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
Wyoming: Not on Nevada's schedule again.
One of these days I'm getting Peedy to Reno. Maybe next year.
Oh when they play in Reno next time I'm there. I'll drive up Friday, pick up Seedy and Ed at the airport, and the four of us can run amok in Reno.
<_<
Quote from: katmai on May 04, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: PDH on May 04, 2017, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 04, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
Wyoming: Not on Nevada's schedule again.
One of these days I'm getting Peedy to Reno. Maybe next year.
Oh when they play in Reno next time I'm there. I'll drive up Friday, pick up Seedy and Ed at the airport, and the four of us can run amok in Reno.
<_<
I will need a body servant.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 04, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 04, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: PDH on May 04, 2017, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 04, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
Wyoming: Not on Nevada's schedule again.
One of these days I'm getting Peedy to Reno. Maybe next year.
Oh when they play in Reno next time I'm there. I'll drive up Friday, pick up Seedy and Ed at the airport, and the four of us can run amok in Reno.
<_<
I will need a body servant.
He said he was going to pick up Seedy as well.
I want Katmai to wipe my ass
You boys have fun in Reno.
Quote from: katmai on May 04, 2017, 09:36:40 PM
You boys have fun in Reno.
Oh no. I'm going to buy you in the Trump Hispanic slave market. I'm Crassus and you are Tony Curtis.
So the Wyoming QB (a redshirt junior) is being touted as a top-3 pick for the NFL next year. Color me skeptical, but it would be nice if he actually does have a wonderful season and Wyoming wins 10 games.
Quote from: PDH on May 07, 2017, 05:11:39 PM
So the Wyoming QB (a redshirt junior) is being touted as a top-3 pick for the NFL next year. Color me skeptical, but it would be nice if he actually does have a wonderful season and Wyoming wins 10 games.
It's always great to see these two-star kids exceed expectations. I looked him up and he looks good, and will make better decisions with more experience. I hope he does Wyoming proud.
Texas shows its solidarity with the University of Houston.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/cougars/article/Hurricane-Harvey-forces-Cougars-to-shift-football-11959648.php
QuoteHurricane Harvey forces Cougars to shift football operations to Austin
By Joseph Duarte August 25, 2017 Updated: August 25, 2017
AUSTIN - The University of Houston is relocating its football operations to Central Texas in advance of Hurricane Harvey.
Hunter Yurachek, UH's vice president of intercollegiate athletics, said the Cougars plan use the practice facilities at the University of Texas at least through the weekend and possibly into early next week. UH is scheduled to open the season Sept. 2 at Texas-San Antonio.
"(Thursday) as it became apparent that Harvey was going to have a significant impact throughout the weekend and early into next week, we reached out to schools within the state of Texas that we have great relationships with, and inquired about the opportunity for our football program to practice and use their facilities as we are relocating outside of Houston," Yurachek said.
Yurachek said UH received offers from Baylor, SMU and TCU to use their facilities. Due to available hotel accommodations and proximity of the schools, UH opted to move to Austin.
"I called (UT athletics director ) Mike Perrin, and without hesitation Mike said 'absolutely. We'd be glad to help. Let me run it up the chain of command here at Texas. I don't foresee that being a problem.' And within 10 minutes he called and said 'we'll make it happen.'
"Mike is a Houstonian. I think he thinks a lot about what we're doing, and understands the importance of us working together as state schools in a time where our area is getting hit pretty hard."
Hurricane Harvey is expected to make landfall early Saturday along the southeast Texas coast as a Category 3 hurricane with wind gusts of at least 111 miles per hour. The storm is expected to deliver torrential rain for several days, with some weather forecast projecting at least 20 inches of rain for the Houston area.
"Just keeping everybody in our thoughts and prayers," Yurachek said, "and hope that everybody is safe and does not take unnecessary risks and listens to all the advice we're getting from the emergency management teams across the city of Houston and the state of Texas and heeds those warnings."
UH will practice Saturday and Sunday and will return to Houston as soon as possible.
"We are grateful to the University of Texas and its football program for opening their doors to us," UH coach Major Applewhite said in a statement. "We are also thankful to the other programs from across the state of Texas that offered shelter to our program during this time. We are hopeful for the best in Houston but are preparing for every situation. We ask everyone to keep the city of Houston, all affected areas across the Gulf Coast and its residents in their thoughts and prayers."
Welcome back Major Applewhite! :punk:
So, who else is tempted to hope that Ole Miss wins the SEC this year? Now that the veil has been torn, and we can see that Ole Miss is absolutely as corrupt as we think the whole SEC is (bar Vandy and probably Alabama), wouldn't it be poetic justice that they use their last season before the hammer comes down to demonstrate the SEC principal that, "if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'?"
You're free to hope that, just as I hope Wisconsin and Sparty beat Michigan by three touchdowns.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 27, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
You're free to hope that, just as I hope Wisconsin and Sparty beat Michigan by three touchdowns.
:huh: Did you even read the question before you decided to go full troll?
Fuck Ole Miss, fuck the SEC west, and fuck the pretense your post wasn't a troll first.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 27, 2017, 01:05:31 PM
Fuck Ole Miss, fuck the SEC west, and fuck the pretense your post wasn't a troll first.
:lol: Did you just learn the word "fuck?" Generally, only chiefs and people new to the word go for it three times in one sentence.
But I can agree with the sentiment "fuck the SEC." And fuck Notre Dame, while we are at it. :thumbsup:
Can't help playing word games, can you.
:console: Dude, this is college football. Maybe you are in the wrong thread?
I don't think that most college football discussions involve playing word games.
Nice to see this thread in mid-season form :P
Quote from: alfred russel on August 27, 2017, 02:11:24 PM
I don't think that most college football discussions involve playing word games.
Agree that
most don't. So what? Most don't mention the SEC, either.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2017, 02:21:04 PM
Nice to see this thread in mid-season form :P
Some people take rivalries
very seriously, indeed. :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
And fuck Notre Dame, while we are at it. :thumbsup:
Any team tainted by Tim deserves that.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2017, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
And fuck Notre Dame, while we are at it. :thumbsup:
Any team tainted by Tim deserves that.
And Seedy. Not sure why anyone really cares about a sub-average ACC team, but fuck 'em.
And fuck Penn State and its JoPa-loving fans, as well.
Stop turning me on
I'm heading to Atlanta Friday for the big game. No matter how it turns out, I like that Jimbo has returned the Noles to the "anybody, anytime, anywhere" roots that first put our program on the map in the early 80s.
If we'd learn to block we'd make a run at the title this year and run Alabama out of Atlanta to open our season.
As it is, I fear we still cannot block and without the likes of dalvin cook whose blockers only got in the way, we will likely lose to Alabama and get stuck playing yet another overrated big ten team in January in a bowl that used to matter. :)
NCAA fans, a little info please.
The CFL's Hamilton Tiger-Cats have hired Art Briles, former head coach at Baylor, as a new Assistant Coach. News reports mention in passing that he was fired because of "Briles mishandled multiple allegations of sexual assault against players." Can anyone provide any particulars about this story? How bad was it?
It's bad, and it's still an ongoing thing. I don't even really know where to start. Lots of info on Google.
E: I think this is the latest lawsuit: http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Meaningful-reform-has-not-yet-set-in-new-suit-against-BU-alleges-441328073.html
This one is alleging there were 52 rapes by 31 football players over 4 years: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/baylor/2017/01/27/new-baylor-lawsuit-describes-show-em-good-time-culture-cites-52-rapes-football-players-4-years
Wiki article with a timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University_sexual_assault_scandal
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2017, 01:56:06 PM
NCAA fans, a little info please.
The CFL's Hamilton Tiger-Cats have hired Art Briles, former head coach at Baylor, as a new Assistant Coach. News reports mention in passing that he was fired because of "Briles mishandled multiple allegations of sexual assault against players." Can anyone provide any particulars about this story? How bad was it?
That is about as bad a situation as one can imagine. They used access to sex to recruit and there were multiple gang rapes of female students covered up. It was a real, and ongoing, nightmare. But I cannot imagine that would be applicable to professional football. I mean, you know, besides the fact the guy should be in prison.
And now they're saying Art won't be a coach there after all.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/28/16215268/art-briles-cfl-hamilton-tiger-cats-june-jones
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 28, 2017, 09:07:45 PM
And now they're saying Art won't be a coach there after all.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/28/16215268/art-briles-cfl-hamilton-tiger-cats-june-jones
Yup - the "hiring" lasted less than 24 hours.
You know, I've long said the CFL should go out and hire more NCAA co-ordinators, rather than keep recycling the same-old CFL coaches time after time. But surely they could have done better than Briles.
Now this is part of a hiring of a new head coach - June Jones - most recently of Hawaii. Now I'm not exactly clear why someone would willingly go from Hawaii to Hamilton Ontario, but I'm curious to see how he does.
Art Briles is as good a football coach as you can find. He made Baylor(!!!!) a national contender.
June Jones--way past his prime.
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
Yup - the "hiring" lasted less than 24 hours.
You know, I've long said the CFL should go out and hire more NCAA co-ordinators, rather than keep recycling the same-old CFL coaches time after time. But surely they could have done better than Briles.
Now this is part of a hiring of a new head coach - June Jones - most recently of Hawaii. Now I'm not exactly clear why someone would willingly go from Hawaii to Hamilton Ontario, but I'm curious to see how he does.
June Jones went to SMU after Hawaii. They actually did fairly well while he was there, relatively speaking, before cratering again (he bailed during his last season IIRC). I think he's still using that same run and shoot offense.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 28, 2017, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
Yup - the "hiring" lasted less than 24 hours.
You know, I've long said the CFL should go out and hire more NCAA co-ordinators, rather than keep recycling the same-old CFL coaches time after time. But surely they could have done better than Briles.
Now this is part of a hiring of a new head coach - June Jones - most recently of Hawaii. Now I'm not exactly clear why someone would willingly go from Hawaii to Hamilton Ontario, but I'm curious to see how he does.
June Jones went to SMU after Hawaii. They actually did fairly well while he was there, relatively speaking, before cratering again (he bailed during his last season IIRC). I think he's still using that same run and shoot offense.
Okay, last from me - I didn't mean this to be a CFL hijack.
June Jones is going to be... interesting in Hamilton. The Ti-Cats have some talent, but they're dead last in the league at 0-8 this year. They had a head-coach/GM Kent Austin who was a former successful QB in the league, then a successful coach, who actually went back and became an OC at Ole Miss, and Head Coach at Cornell, before being lured back with the joint GM/Head Coach job. After going 0-8 though he stepped back from being the coach.
As for June Jones... the CFL is just similar enough to US rules that there is significant cross-over, but different enough you can't just walk into one league from the other. 3-down football is different enough that someone like Jones is going to have to adapt his game (even though if he's pass-happy he's halfway there to being used to 3-down ball).
Anyways whatever. My Blue Bombers are doing really well this year at 6-2, so what happens in Hamilton isn't all that interesting to me anyways. This weekend is the legen (wait for it) dary Labour Day Classic against Saskatchewan, which is what I'll be focussing on.
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2017, 11:04:58 PM
Okay, last from me - I didn't mean this to be a CFL hijack.
June Jones is going to be... interesting in Hamilton. The Ti-Cats have some talent, but they're dead last in the league at 0-8 this year. They had a head-coach/GM Kent Austin who was a former successful QB in the league, then a successful coach, who actually went back and became an OC at Ole Miss, and Head Coach at Cornell, before being lured back with the joint GM/Head Coach job. After going 0-8 though he stepped back from being the coach.
As for June Jones... the CFL is just similar enough to US rules that there is significant cross-over, but different enough you can't just walk into one league from the other. 3-down football is different enough that someone like Jones is going to have to adapt his game (even though if he's pass-happy he's halfway there to being used to 3-down ball).
Anyways whatever. My Blue Bombers are doing really well this year at 6-2, so what happens in Hamilton isn't all that interesting to me anyways. This weekend is the legen (wait for it) dary Labour Day Classic against Saskatchewan, which is what I'll be focussing on.
Meh, I don't think it's a hijack to talk about NCAA coaches moving up into a pro league and how well they'll do. I wish I knew more about how the offenses in the CFL work though. Hell someone up there might already be using some version of the run and shoot.
So I am not refffing college ball this year. Might be done with that for good.
Kind of looking forward to just relaxing and actually WATCHING some football this year.
Although the Wildcats are going to be bad again, I am pretty sure. RichRod will probably be gone after this year.
He cannot seem to recruit.
Michigan should be a wild ride this year. They are the youngest team in Div 1A, but have more speed and talent than they've had since the early 1990s. They've got a returning QB for the first time since 2012.
The strength of the offense has shifted from the H-backs and tight ends to the wide and slot receivers. The consensus #1 WR recruit in the country last year isn't even the best freshman WR on the team. Expect a lot of 4-wide spread sets (and a lot of shifting from I-form to spread and vice-versa just before the snap, because the backs can catch and the WR can block). The weakness on offense is still the line. They should be okay at run blocking but they'll probably have to roll the pocket on a lot of plays to keep the QB upright.
The defense should keep them in every game while the offense sorts itself out. last year's #1 defense is largely in the NFL now, but the new starters played a lot last year (Don Brown likes to rotate the defense) and will probably be as good on the line as last year (which is to say it's probably the best d-line in the country) and the linebackers will be a lot better. The defensive backfield, though, will be... exciting. Whether exciting for the Michigan fans or the opponents' fans is hard to say. The players are big and fast but young (all 4 DBs are new starters, and the replacements don't have nearly the experience the replacements on the line have), and Don Brown's defense asks the DBs to do a lot. You may see a lot of opposing bombs go the distance early on. Luckily, they don't play anyone capable of throwing those consistently until the seventh game of the season (Penn State), so the rooks should be settled in before they face game-changing challenges.
The schedule is favorable. They face Florida in the first game, and Florida has pretty much the same problem with new starters as Michigan. This is definitely a game that Michigan is better off playing early rather than late. The challenging games (@PSU, @Wisky, OSU) are the 7th, 11th, and 12th games of the year, which mitigates a lot of the youth issues.
I reckon that Michigan probably won't beat both Wisky and Pedo State on the road, but will beat OSU at home, to finish 11-1 and Big Ten east champs. I can't see them losing to a west team in the championship, and so I believe they will not be exposed until the playoffs. They'll lose in the first round there, but will be back the following two years in which they'll win it all at least once.
Quote from: grumblerThey'll lose in the first round there, but will be back the following two years in which they'll win it all at least once.
It's too bad Raz doesn't follow college football, since nobody else will remember to call you on this in three years. :P
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 29, 2017, 01:30:40 PM
Quote from: grumblerThey'll lose in the first round there, but will be back the following two years in which they'll win it all at least once.
It's too bad Raz doesn't follow college football, since nobody else will remember to call you on this in three years. :P
If you cannot grossly exaggerate in the college football thread, you can't do it anywhere. :D
grumbler should admit one thing that he was wrong about. James Franklin is a hell of a football coach. He won the Big 10 last year, in just his third year at the school, and Penn State is pre season #6 in the AP.
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2017, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2017, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
And fuck Notre Dame, while we are at it. :thumbsup:
Any team tainted by Tim deserves that.
And Seedy. Not sure why anyone really cares about a sub-average ACC team, but fuck 'em.
Eat shit, I stopped following ND a while ago.
What? Why?
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I've long said the CFL should go out and hire more NCAA co-ordinators, rather than keep recycling the same-old CFL coaches time after time. But surely they could have done better than Briles.
There probably aren't a dozen active coaches who are better coaches than Briles, so no, they probably couldn't have done better in that regard. Given what's alleged to have happened at Baylor, though, any coach they could have hire is likely a better person than Briles (or at least is better at not getting caught).
Quote from: alfred russel on August 29, 2017, 03:12:09 PM
grumbler should admit one thing that he was wrong about. James Franklin is a hell of a football coach. He won the Big 10 last year, in just his third year at the school, and Penn State is pre season #6 in the AP.
This season will tell us something about Franklin. He certainly has impressed few as a game day coach so far (though he is a hell of a recruiter, and that's a key to success), and he needs good assistants. If he really has them, then Pedo State will go far this year (though they are certainly no better than the third-best B10 team, and maybe isn't even the fifth-best). He'll not win games this year just chucking the ball 40 yards downfield. And he has to hope that, against Michigan, homefield advantage is worth 38 points.
The schedule sets up PSU prety well: their non-conference schedule is feeble in the extreme, and the conference schedule has nine almost-certain wins. He'll probably win the Nebraska game, but that's likely it, and that won't win him the B10 East. 10-2 will leave him in the top ten, maybe, but the preseason #6 is over-rated by a mile.
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2017, 04:35:47 PM
What? Why?
Like my fondness for Canadians, support for the LGBT community, and sympathy for autism spectrum disorders, it's just one more thing that Languish has drained from me.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2017, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2017, 04:35:47 PM
What? Why?
Like my fondness for Canadians, support for the LGBT community, and sympathy for autism spectrum disorders, it's just one more thing that Languish has drained from me.
wound my heart with a monotonous languor
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2017, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2017, 04:35:47 PM
What? Why?
Like my fondness for Canadians, support for the LGBT community, and sympathy for autism spectrum disorders, it's just one more thing that Languish has drained from me.
I never wanted that for you CdM. It is all Tim's fault.
Well you will always have Towson.
Has nothing to do with ND sucking, I'm sure.
That is okay. When Marty hears how much ND sucks, I'm sure he will take CdM's spot in the bandwagon.
Quote from: derspiess on August 30, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Has nothing to do with ND sucking, I'm sure.
I can handle the suckage. Remember, I was once a Browns fan.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2017, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 30, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Has nothing to do with ND sucking, I'm sure.
I can handle the suckage. Remember, I was once a Browns fan.
You have as bad taste in random cities as Benedict Arnold.
So I've just recently realized (thanks to Facebook) that when you go to the beach, you have to hang flags from your favorite college football teams somewhere on the beach house. Never quite realized that is a thing. Maybe it's regional? Or I just have too many redneck friends?
This is a thing.
I have neither a WVU flag nor a Delaware flag :(
Also noticed that my Marshall fan friends will proudly put up a Marshall flag on their beach house, but also include a flag of their favorite Power 5 conference team. Because I guess you gotta have a team to follow when Marshall is getting stomped by North Texas.
Quote from: derspiess on August 30, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
I have neither a WVU flag nor a Delaware flag :(
Also noticed that my Marshall fan friends will proudly put up a Marshall flag on their beach house, but also include a flag of their favorite Power 5 conference team. Because I guess you gotta have a team to follow when Marshall is getting stomped by North Texas.
Well, that is better than someone that went to Marshall but won't put up a Marshall flag at all. :P
Quote from: derspiess on August 30, 2017, 04:13:00 PM
So I've just recently realized (thanks to Facebook) that when you go to the beach, you have to hang flags from your favorite college football teams somewhere on the beach house. Never quite realized that is a thing. Maybe it's regional? Or I just have too many redneck friends?
Oh, it's a thing, alright.
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Quote from: Valmy on August 30, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
Well you will always have Towson.
Seedy and I have to wait til late October to start trash talking about Delaware-Towson, the ultimate CAA grudge match.
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2017, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 30, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
Well you will always have Towson.
Seedy and I have to wait til late October to start trash talking about Delaware-Towson, the ultimate CAA grudge match.
Bluehens versus Tigers: When on-campus parking gets real
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2017, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 30, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
Well you will always have Towson.
Seedy and I have to wait til late October to start trash talking about Delaware-Towson, the ultimate CAA grudge match.
Did Delaware offer you in-state rates?
Ten Suspensions at Florida (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/08/30/florida-suspends-two-more-players-total-up-10-michigan-game/617729001/) including a couple of their stars. I certainly hope Michigan can pull off this first game.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 31, 2017, 12:58:47 PM
Ten Suspensions at Florida (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/08/30/florida-suspends-two-more-players-total-up-10-michigan-game/617729001/) including a couple of their stars. I certainly hope Michigan can pull off this first game.
Michigan definitely had the edge before the suspensions, but now Florida is playing with house money. This puts all the pressure on Michigan, which isn't ideal given the youth of the team.
Wyoming opens play against Iowa in Iowa City. With a little luck, some good game planning, and steady hard-nosed play I think the Cowboys can pull off the surprise moral victory.
And what about the team you're being paid to root for?
Arizona opens up against Northern Arizona.
What a waste of a perfectly good football game.
Maryland's schedule is just used to mark off the weeks until basketball season begins.
I don't follow Canadian university football much, although when I do I have a rooting interest in my alma mater, the U of Manitoba Bisons.
But I went to look up their schedule, and saw that they actually open their season up tonight. The game will not be televised.
But what caught my eye (and in my throat) is that the Canadian equivalent to the NCAA has rebranded itself again. For many years it was the CIAU - Canadian Inter-university Athletics Union. That not exactly rolling off the tongue, they renamed it as the CIS - Canadian Interuniversity Sport.
Now, for 2017 it's changed again - to "U Sports".
:yuk:
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Quote from: Valmy on August 30, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
Well you will always have Towson.
Seedy and I have to wait til late October to start trash talking about Delaware-Towson, the ultimate CAA grudge match.
Did Delaware offer you in-state rates?
Yes. My parents had lived there for a couple years before I transferred.
Delaware posts a video stream of their games now on the university athletic department website. They combine that with audio from the radio broadcast and it works out pretty well, considering. I got to watch most of the riveting Delaware - Delaware State game last night.
A pretty good (Michigan) hype video:
https://twitter.com/umichfootball/status/903816149250457601 (https://twitter.com/umichfootball/status/903816149250457601)
Arizona football hype video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00m6LeKJWs
Quote from: Berkut on September 02, 2017, 07:33:50 AM
Arizona football hype video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00m6LeKJWs
Probably should feature more Rich Rod being cursed in Morgantown and Ann Arbor. Then end with "Maybe (eventually) third time will be the charm???"
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 01, 2017, 11:47:15 AM
Maryland's schedule is just used to mark off the weeks until basketball season begins.
They are not looking bad (except for the offensive line) against Texas). They've got some running backs.
Well Charlie Strong would usually make us wait until week 2 or 3 before showing us he had a truly wretched team. Tom Herman did it in the first quarter of the first game. Progress!
Poor Texas. When it rains, it pours.
This will probably wash Texas out of the top 25.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
This will probably wash Texas out of the top 25.
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One would hope so, anyway. They shouldn't have been in the top 25 to start with. They were 5-7 last year, and while the expectation is certainly that they'll be better under Herman than under Strong, I think they should have had to actually show that improvement before being ranked.
Sigh.
The Longhorn fan forums will probably be flooded by Bill from Sinton.
Quote from: dps on September 02, 2017, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
This will probably wash Texas out of the top 25.
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One would hope so, anyway. They shouldn't have been in the top 25 to start with. They were 5-7 last year, and while the expectation is certainly that they'll be better under Herman than under Strong, I think they should have had to actually show that improvement before being ranked.
The funny part was is Texas was the only top 25 program in the entire state and they had no business being there. Texas High School Football is pretty shitty.
Wyoming's season starts off with a big wet sloppy turd laid for all the fans. Well, we are all used to this by now.
Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: dps on September 02, 2017, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
This will probably wash Texas out of the top 25.
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One would hope so, anyway. They shouldn't have been in the top 25 to start with. They were 5-7 last year, and while the expectation is certainly that they'll be better under Herman than under Strong, I think they should have had to actually show that improvement before being ranked.
The funny part was is Texas was the only top 25 program in the entire state and they had no business being there. Texas High School Football is pretty shitty.
Ohio State thanks you for JK Dobbins.
I've been impressed with Malik Zaire in the few snaps he's taken so far. Florida didn't get 100 yards in almost 3 quarters with Franks, but Zaire has gotten them 40 yards in 6 plays. Michigan is killing them but can't seem to put the game away.
It's weird that Florida is still only down by 9.
E: USC is tied with Western Michigan at the half.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 02, 2017, 05:47:16 PM
It's weird that Florida is still only down by 9.
E: USC is tied with Western Michigan at the half.
No longer down by only 9. 33-17 Michigan.
Florida's offence has only scored 3 points. Michigan's defense has outscored Florida's offence.
SEC teams cannot handle Big Ten speed.
Florida: 27 rushes for 11 yards. :huh:
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
SEC teams cannot handle Big Ten speed.
This is really dumb, even for a troll. Florida had 10 guys suspended, isn't exactly supposed to be the class of the SEC even at full strength, and was coming off a 30-3 victory over a big 10 team in a new years day bowl game.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 02, 2017, 06:35:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
SEC teams cannot handle Big Ten speed.
This is really dumb, even for a troll. Florida had 10 guys suspended, isn't exactly supposed to be the class of the SEC even at full strength, and was coming off a 30-3 victory over a big 10 team in a new years day bowl game.
Blah blah blah. This was an old-fashioned ass-kicking, delivered mostly because Florida simply couldn't avoid Michigan's speed. Michigan was missing guys, too. That's how football works.
You remind me of the PSU apologists for their 49-10 asskicking last year; "wah, wah, wah, we were missing some linebackers." How do missing linebackers account for scoring only 10 points?
Florida's offense was missing one suspended guy who would have played meaningful minutes, and scored 3 points in 60 minutes. Even having that guy and having him double their offensive scoring would have lead to Florida losing 33-20.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Quote from: alfred russel on September 02, 2017, 06:35:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
SEC teams cannot handle Big Ten speed.
This is really dumb, even for a troll. Florida had 10 guys suspended, isn't exactly supposed to be the class of the SEC even at full strength, and was coming off a 30-3 victory over a big 10 team in a new years day bowl game.
Should've been aged.
Every game Michigan wins shows they are the best team in the country, as long as you don't look at the ones they lose. :P
Quote from: PDH on September 02, 2017, 03:47:01 PM
Wyoming's season starts off with a big wet sloppy turd laid for all the fans. Well, we are all used to this by now.
Nice whiff by your punter.
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2017, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 02, 2017, 06:35:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
SEC teams cannot handle Big Ten speed.
This is really dumb, even for a troll. Florida had 10 guys suspended, isn't exactly supposed to be the class of the SEC even at full strength, and was coming off a 30-3 victory over a big 10 team in a new years day bowl game.
Blah blah blah. This was an old-fashioned ass-kicking, delivered mostly because Florida simply couldn't avoid Michigan's speed. Michigan was missing guys, too. That's how football works.
You remind me of the PSU apologists for their 49-10 asskicking last year; "wah, wah, wah, we were missing some linebackers." How do missing linebackers account for scoring only 10 points?
Florida's offense was missing one suspended guy who would have played meaningful minutes, and scored 3 points in 60 minutes. Even having that guy and having him double their offensive scoring would have lead to Florida losing 33-20.
You have your facts wrong, but instead of doing research to correct them, why don't you spend some of your remaining time on this earth doing something more meaningful than trolling a half dead internet forum?
Quote from: alfred russel on September 02, 2017, 07:14:30 PM
You have your facts wrong, but instead of doing research to correct them, why don't you spend some of your remaining time on this earth doing something more meaningful than trolling a half dead internet forum?
Straight to the
ad hom. Well done, young padwan. Someday you, too, can post on non-half-dead fora. :cool:
Arizona won.
Quote from: dps on September 02, 2017, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 02, 2017, 03:47:01 PM
Wyoming's season starts off with a big wet sloppy turd laid for all the fans. Well, we are all used to this by now.
Nice whiff by your punter.
Somehow I sense that may well sum up the season.
Quote from: dps on September 02, 2017, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 02, 2017, 03:47:01 PM
Wyoming's season starts off with a big wet sloppy turd laid for all the fans. Well, we are all used to this by now.
Nice whiff by your punter.
He made that Michigan punter from a bowl game a couple of years back happy; there's a new image for the punter panicking meme.
https://twitter.com/LiTiRilla/status/905192045169569792
QuoteShould've named it Hurricane Roberto Aguayo. Would've missed Florida wide right and sailed right into the Atlantic
(https://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif)
E: Doh this was supposed to have been in the NFL thread. Well...FSU kicker...
A&M knows how to tailgate like champions
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNS5kht7.gif&hash=1b1df213c32772005caf0b95f61d655759e8a10a)
:lol:
:huh: I don't get it.
Which one? My screwed up probably should have been NFL thread post, or guy crazy fired up about Bud Light Lime?
Mine: Second round draft pick (lolwut) has a problem with shanking kicks. Did so enough that the Bucs cut him a couple weeks ago. Then he shanked more kicks for the Bears. Also went to FSU, which has a history of wide rights, and is why I'm leaving it there.
Bud Light Lime: Is not good.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 06, 2017, 02:37:44 PM
Which one? My screwed up probably should have been NFL thread post, or guy crazy fired up about Bud Light Lime?
Mine: Second round draft pick (lolwut) has a problem with shanking kicks. Did so enough that the Bucs cut him a couple weeks ago. Then he shanked more kicks for the Bears. Also went to FSU, which has a history of wide rights, and is why I'm leaving it there.
Bud Light Lime: Is not good.
The Bud Light Lime thing.
Oh okay yeah, that stuff is not good. I mean, take Bud Light, then add artificial lime flavoring to it. It's just as bad as it sounds. In that situation there, it's also probably warm.
I guess that guy is pretty happy with it though. :P That was on Gameday, I think last year or the year before.
E: The Houston - UTSA game that was postponed last weekend was just officially cancelled. UTSA plays @Baylor this weekend, UH is @ Berkut's Wildcats.
All he's missing is his tiki torch.
Quote from: grumbler on September 06, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 06, 2017, 02:37:44 PM
Which one? My screwed up probably should have been NFL thread post, or guy crazy fired up about Bud Light Lime?
Mine: Second round draft pick (lolwut) has a problem with shanking kicks. Did so enough that the Bucs cut him a couple weeks ago. Then he shanked more kicks for the Bears. Also went to FSU, which has a history of wide rights, and is why I'm leaving it there.
Bud Light Lime: Is not good.
The Bud Light Lime thing.
I'm guessing the guy was being sarcastic in his enthusiasm for Bud Light Lime. Or at least I'm hoping he was.
Do they do sarcasm at A&M? I figured he was geeked up on roids.
I think he was hyped for the game and just happened to be holding bud lite lime.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 07, 2017, 02:57:45 PM
I think he was hyped for the game and just happened to be holding bud lite lime.
We've all been there.
Nice to see Louisville decided to wear Dorothy's magic shoes on their heads today.
How does a product like that get developed? "Bud Light's pretty crappy - if we could just make it more unmanly and taste more revolting, we'd have a real winner on our hands"
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 09, 2017, 02:45:48 PM
How does a product like that get developed? "Bud Light's pretty crappy - if we could just make it more unmanly and taste more revolting, we'd have a real winner on our hands"
I know it's jolly good sport to slag on Bud products but it's pretty obvious they were trying to do a Corona knock-off.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 09, 2017, 02:52:43 PM
I know it's jolly good sport to slag on Bud products but it's pretty obvious they were trying to do a Corona knock-off.
Corona doesn't come with fake lime flavoring in it. ;)
But yeah, presumably that's what they were going for.
What a bunch of beer snobs. And that makes it even gayer than wine snobbery, because beer.
Jesus people I just wanted to laugh at Aggies.
Ha! Suck it, Baylor.
Also, uh.....The Horns beat the dogshit out of SJSU.
Ed's crew sucked it up against ou. :mad:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 09, 2017, 10:50:52 PM
Ed's crew sucked it up against ou. :mad:
And Oklahoma showed class and humility in their win...
Michigan fans' euphoria after how the team looked against Florida came crashing down after their performance against Cincinnati; that has to be the most disappointing 22-point win I've ever seen.
A little payback to Tim after that abysmal Super Bowl. :sleep:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 09, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
What a bunch of beer snobs. And that makes it even gayer than wine snobbery, because beer.
Ripping on "bud lite lime" is not snobbery, it's a having a functioning consciousness.
Snobbery would be making snotty comments about Baltimorons not knowing any better.
How is it possible that Bud Lite Lime tastes worst than Bud Light? Any additive HAS to improve the flavor, right? :unsure:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 11, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 09, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
What a bunch of beer snobs. And that makes it even gayer than wine snobbery, because beer.
Ripping on "bud lite lime" is not snobbery, it's a having a functioning consciousness.
Snobbery would be making snotty comments about Baltimorons not knowing any better.
Save it, Manischewitz Moment.
Wyoming beat the mighty Gardner-Webb...Webmasters? Master Gardeners?...who hail from some state somewhere back east and maybe south of here 27-0.
That's right, a win against a team I hadn't heard of before in less than impressive fashion. And Wyoming's punter didn't whiff once!
Quote from: grumbler on September 11, 2017, 04:01:41 PM
How is it possible that Bud Lite Lime tastes worst than Bud Light? Any additive HAS to improve the flavor, right? :unsure:
I dunno. If you add lime flavoring to shit, does it taste better?
I guess we've lost all of our German posters, so we'll probably never know. I mean, if anyone else wants to research the subject, fine, but I'll pass.
Wyoming plays against Oregon this Saturday. Gulp.
Oh well, Wyoming started 1-2 last year and finished with 8 wins...
One of the local sports personalities who covered UT football for years died yesterday of a freak heart attack at age 46. I had listened to him on the radio on my way to work for over a decade. I almost feel like it is a death in the family. A guy who I never met was none-the-less part of my daily ritual for years is no more. He was just about to get on the plane to LA for the USC game.
RIP Sean Adams.
Well the Horns defense sure as hell looks like they came to play. The offense is....not so good right now.
OH SHIT OH SHIT
Dude and now the D goes soft.
Ah well. Solid game, and something they can still build on.
The D was brilliant except for the last few seconds of both halves.
I hope somebody watched that and was entertained, it sucks when your team plays a west coast team nobody watches when they pay well.
That was a game I desperately wanted for them though. Tough loss.
Ehlinger really nutted up, but those turnovers were just killer. I'm still mostly on the Buechele wagon, I think. Sam is going to be good though.
E: And WTF was going on with Shackelford? And I am really wondering why Herman and Beck apparently hate Chris Warren.
In this particular game nobody got many carries because, well, the offensive line was barely serviceable. At least that is what I presume. To be fair it was not like when we did run it it went well.
Sam showed me something tonight. He might be the guy. But hey once teams see film on him and game plan for him we will see what he is made of.
I think Shane would have gotten sacked many of those times Sam managed to escape so it might be a wash who is better currently.
In general I am not sure what is going on with Warren but people seem to be acting like he is the next Jim Brown. All he has ever shown is he can run over Texas Tech. Naturally I presumed he would be the feature back this year because of his size and basically because there is nobody else. But it is not like he would be in the Heisman race if he was. Maybe he has some serious deficiency in his game that the Porter doesn't have. I don't know.
Shane vs Sam: I think you're right about Shane taking more sacks (Ehlinger is slow but damn the dude can evade pressure), but I don't think he'd have turned it over like that. For example, I kind doubt, but don't know for sure of course, that they would run Buechele up the middle twice in a row in the second OT. Because he kinda sucks at running, or at least sucks more than Ehlinger. They'd have handed that off or thrown a couple passes. Shane is definitely more accurate than Sam.
I like this "problem" that they have at QB now though, with two competent players competing. If Ehlinger wins the competition, I'm good with that.
RBs: Easy example of them refusing to give Warren the ball, despite the situation calling for it: Warren needed to be the guy with the ball in that OT situation, not Sam. I know it's not a big sample size (4 carries lol), but even in this game, he was at 3.75ypc. The only time he ran the ball in the second half, he picked up 5ish I think. I seriously haven't seen anything from Porter that justifies him starting and getting carries over Warren. I just can't figure that shit out. Neither of them are blatantly awesomesauce or anything, but at least Warren is big and will occasionally run someone over/not go down on first contact. You know?
I agree. I don't get it. But it is not like I am in a furious rage about it like some. But yeah it is weird.
Yeah there are some people that are way too mad about that, and I just can't get to that level. The way I see it is....well hell, they've improved every game, so the coaches are doing SOMETHING right.
The OL was a disaster in the first half after Williams went down, but after halftime, they were, imo, doing a pretty good job of giving Sam time to throw. I don't really know about run blocking because they pretty much abandoned that, but the pass blocking was significantly improved with.....what.....three backups (are they into the third string in places on the OL)?
Hold up, Warren may have been injured.
Eye laceration? :blink: Did he make that OT catch...er....one-eyed?
Get a fucking room guys. :lol:
wat
Waiting for Bill to show up any second.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2017, 01:31:31 AM
Get a fucking room guys. :lol:
Texas is early in the process of preparing to be almost starting to be BACK BABY!!!!111
So how could it not be a giant lovefest?
Man, Wyoming is awful.
Fucking Iowa. :glare:
Arizona actually didn't look that bad against Utah. They turned the ball over like 14 times and still managed to be in the game.
Here's an interesting stat: Purdue had 179 total yards against Michigan in the first half. They had 10 total yards in the second half.
Don Brown knows halftime adjustments.
The offense was not impressive.
E: Don't get me wrong, a win is a win and I'll take it, plus the OL is a bunch of backups...but that was still uuuuuugly for the O.
Fuck it. Horns win. :punk:
The Foosaner Art Museum here in Melbourne has an exhibition by women artists from their permanent collection. Tying together with this they had a "Girls Night Out" party at the museum which featured a silent auction. My wife had the winning (and only) bid on tickets to the Florida Institute of Technology football game.
CB: I got it for the minimum bid! Can you believe no one else bid on that?
Savonarola: For a football game at an all women's group at an art museum auction? Yes I can believe that.
CB: Oh...
It was actually quite a deal. For $20 she got two tickets to three football games, FIT T-Shirts and free parking. Admittedly it's for a Division II school that had its first football season last year, but still you can't go too wrong at less than $3.50 per ticket.
The T-shirts have the lyrics to the FIT fight song written on them. We're going to have to take turns turning our backs on one another every time they score so one of us can sing the fight song.
How FITting.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2017, 10:37:14 PM
The offense was not impressive.
E: Don't get me wrong, a win is a win and I'll take it, plus the OL is a bunch of backups...but that was still uuuuuugly for the O.
Fuck it. Horns win. :punk:
The offensive line is very bad. But hey still much better offense than the last time Texas played in Ames.
Big win though. The next game against Kansas State is even bigger.
Hey Valmy, I know it's the wrong thread but a kid who used to help us run pictures on the sideline for Bengals games just committed to Texas in basketball. He literally grew too tall to play football. He was 6'6" when I last saw him a year ago and now he's 6'11". He turned down UK to play for your Horns. Looking forward to seeing him in the Big 12.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2017/09/29/and-winner-moellers-hayes-texas/718011001/
R.I.P. Joe Tiller - coach at Wyoming then moved to Purdue. Excellent coach, loved the state of Wyoming (he retired to Buffalo, Wy and his daughter graduated from UW). Shame he was nickle and dimed out of Laramie, but he went on to better things.
Best place for this, where most of the readers will know who he was.
Didn't really know about Wyoming football until Tiller. He elevated that program.
The Wyoming Cowboys have clawed their way back over .500 with a win over Texas State. Texas State, not to be confused with one of the real Texas schools, is mostly made up of 12 year olds and Special Olympics types - at least given the final score of Wyoming 45-Texas St 10.
Wyoming was averaging 17 points per game before this, and receivers couldn't catch a pass. I am glad Texas invented a Texas State to help Wyoming feel better.
Quote from: PDH on October 01, 2017, 10:33:00 AM
The Wyoming Cowboys have clawed their way back over .500 with a win over Texas State. Texas State, not to be confused with one of the real Texas schools, is mostly made up of 12 year olds and Special Olympics types - at least given the final score of Wyoming 45-Texas St 10.
Wyoming was averaging 17 points per game before this, and receivers couldn't catch a pass. I am glad Texas invented a Texas State to help Wyoming feel better.
Don't disparage Texas State. They have a proud heritage, a portion of which is shown in this documentary:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102517/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl
Quote from: Savonarola on September 29, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
The Foosaner Art Museum here in Melbourne has an exhibition by women artists from their permanent collection. Tying together with this they had a "Girls Night Out" party at the museum which featured a silent auction. My wife had the winning (and only) bid on tickets to the Florida Institute of Technology football game.
CB: I got it for the minimum bid! Can you believe no one else bid on that?
Savonarola: For a football game at an all women's group at an art museum auction? Yes I can believe that.
CB: Oh...
It was actually quite a deal. For $20 she got two tickets to three football games, FIT T-Shirts and free parking. Admittedly it's for a Division II school that had its first football season last year, but still you can't go too wrong at less than $3.50 per ticket.
The T-shirts have the lyrics to the FIT fight song written on them. We're going to have to take turns turning our backs on one another every time they score so one of us can sing the fight song.
FIT's "Home stadium" is actually the stadium of Palm Bay High School. Even if they had their own stadium, you could have told it was a Division II engineering school, all the cheerleaders were brunette.
;)
It wasn't a bad game, West Florida won 23-21. It was awfully hot and sticky though, even after the sun set. It's surprising college football is such a big thing here; September in central Florida alternates between unbearably hot and tropical storms.
I've found going to div III games being more enjoyable that going to a stadium with a 100,000 idiots in it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 05, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
I've found going to div III games being more enjoyable that going to a stadium with a 100,000 idiots in it.
Looking forward to that Case Western--John Carroll clash of the titans, are you?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 05, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 05, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
I've found going to div III games being more enjoyable that going to a stadium with a 100,000 idiots in it.
Looking forward to that Case Western--John Carroll clash of the titans, are you?
Wittenberg vs Ohio reform school for Girls
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 05, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
I've found going to div III games being more enjoyable that going to a stadium with a 100,000 idiots in it.
Yeah, if you wanted to be surrounded by idiots, you'd have stayed home and sat in your Hall of Mirrors. Cheaper and better restroom facilities.
:D
Grumbler's got jokes.
Once more, we play our dangerous game, a game of chess against our old adversary: The Kansas State Wildcats. For twenty years, your fathers before you and your older brothers played this game and got their asses kicked. But tomorrow the game is different. It reminds me of the heady days of Vince Young and Jamaal Charles when the world trembled at our zone read. Well, they will tremble again — despite our much shittier zone read. The order is: engage one decent fucking drive.
Hopefully the defense will manage to pull Texas through :P
It reminds me of the heady days of Ricky Williams and Eric Metcalf when the world trembled at the sound of your running backs. Now they will tremble again - at the sound of your three and outs.
I want to go to school in....Montana.
Friends in Ann Arbor reporting that massive security precautions seem to be taking shape ahead of tonight's game. Prime time game + largest stadium outside of North Korea + some vague threats = major concerns, I guess.
Quote from: grumbler on October 07, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
Friends in Ann Arbor reporting that massive security precautions seem to be taking shape ahead of tonight's game. Prime time game + largest stadium outside of North Korea + some vague threats = major concerns, I guess.
If you were to try to assassinate a Wolverine, sir, the--how shall I say it?--the aura of royalty would cause you to miss. But, a Spartoon...I mean, why not shoot a Spartoon?
Quote from: grumbler on October 07, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
Friends in Ann Arbor reporting that massive security precautions seem to be taking shape ahead of tonight's game. Prime time game + largest stadium outside of North Korea + some vague threats = major concerns, I guess.
Last time the Spartans visited a foreign national did bomb, big time (Michigan's Australian punter).
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 07, 2017, 08:48:23 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 07, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
Friends in Ann Arbor reporting that massive security precautions seem to be taking shape ahead of tonight's game. Prime time game + largest stadium outside of North Korea + some vague threats = major concerns, I guess.
If you were to try to assassinate a Wolverine, sir, the--how shall I say it?--the aura of royalty would cause you to miss. But, a Spartoon...I mean, why not shoot a Spartoon?
Waste of ammo?
Best Gameday sign: "The alphabet has more W's than Baylor!"
That was a helluva win for the Horns. :punk:
Yeah that was pretty exciting. Any win against Kansas State, Texas' purple nemesis, is big but man they desperately needed that one.
3-2 going into the Okie gauntlet.
This Arizona- Colorado game is fucking nuts.
Man Val, the angle in this gif is so much better than the one in the Shag thread: https://twitter.com/_joeyhayden/status/916861530355982336
That guy got wrecked.
E: Here it is: (https://media.giphy.com/media/l378uK2XHTDCr2g6I/giphy.gif)
:lol: That's the kind of gif that will keep you warm all winter long.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 07, 2017, 10:36:37 PM
:lol: That's the kind of gif that will keep you warm all winter long.
Kid was raised right, too:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLCayjfUYAEK1LE.jpg)
Quote from: grumbler on October 07, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
Friends in Ann Arbor reporting that massive security precautions seem to be taking shape ahead of tonight's game. Prime time game + largest stadium outside of North Korea + some vague threats = major concerns, I guess.
Security failed to check the Spartans, who brought in a fuckton of dynamite and blew up Michigan's season. :( :P
Not a bad day at the office running the zone read for Arizona backup QB, Kalil Tate:
Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Khalil Tate 11/12 142 11.8 1 0 100.0
CAR YDS AVG TD LONG
Khalil Tate 14 327 23.4 4 75
:lol: damn 327 on 14 carries.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2017, 01:46:41 PM
:lol: damn 327 on 14 carries.
It looks impressive but it is skewed by his 75 yard run.
If you take that out, he only had 252 yards on 13 carries. Not even 20 yards a carry. :hmm:
Why did he through 12 passes again? :P
Quote from: alfred russel on October 08, 2017, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2017, 01:46:41 PM
:lol: damn 327 on 14 carries.
It looks impressive but it is skewed by his 75 yard run.
If you take that out, he only had 252 yards on 13 carries. Not even 20 yards a carry. :hmm:
Maybe he wasn't "aged" correctly, you fucking autistic.
This is one of those classic deals where you get screwed as the starter.
Our starting QB this year, Dawkins, has been....ok. Good option read QB. But not great.
He gets taken out by a late hit out of bounds during the first drive of the game. Tate goes in, and sets a NCAA FBS record for QB rushing yards.
I don't imagine we will be seeing Dawkins under center on Saturday against UCLA.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 08, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 08, 2017, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2017, 01:46:41 PM
:lol: damn 327 on 14 carries.
It looks impressive but it is skewed by his 75 yard run.
If you take that out, he only had 252 yards on 13 carries. Not even 20 yards a carry. :hmm:
Maybe he wasn't "aged" correctly, you fucking autistic.
You seem in a bad mood, basically all the time. Maybe you should hit up garbon for some happy pills.
Congratulations on your Hurricanes, Dorsey. Maybe, at last, the sportscasters here will quit pretending FSU is just about to turn their season around.
Quote from: Savonarola on October 08, 2017, 05:41:03 PM
Congratulations on your Hurricanes, Dorsey. Maybe, at last, the sportscasters here will quit pretending FSU is just about to turn their season around.
Their season can still get turned around by beating Florida. If they were like 2-8 going into that game and pulled off the W in the Swamp, that would probably make this a sweet season for them in many ways.
And the Gators just picked up a transitive home loss to Troy.
I know that some Noles are starting to realize that giving Jimbo a $40m buyout could backfire.
FSU was boned the minute they lost their QB in the opener.
https://youtu.be/rUQ0IPD2978
Seemed someone was eager to get on the field. Any surprise this guy scored 2 of Miami's 3 TDs and had a big punt return?
Quote from: alfred russel on October 08, 2017, 11:52:39 AM
Security failed to check the Spartans, who brought in a fuckton of dynamite and blew up Michigan's season. :( :P
No need to blame the Spartans for that one. Michigan danced the Flamenco on their own cranks. You can't give up the ball 5 times and expect to win, even against State.
Handy guide for anybody who has to suffer watching your team play OU:
(https://i.imgur.com/Fpy9MS7.png)
Obviously you've never heard of Rocky Top.
Hmmm, can the 'Cuse pull off the upset on what was suppose to be a quiet weekend in College football.
Clemson. Lolz
I still find it mildly entertaining that a building called the Carrier Dome has no A/C in it and turns into a hellish, steamy nightmare when games are played when it has been warm outside. Supposedly they're going to be installing AC in the next renovation.
I was on the Carrier Dome roof walks once, in 24 degree weather. I think one of my testicles rolled out of my pants leg like a murder ball in Minority Report.
Wow I haven't seen a team Clemson it up that bad since Clemson.
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
Hmmm, can the 'Cuse pull off the upset on what was suppose to be a quiet weekend in College football.
How can you say that when the greatest rivalry in College Football is being played this weekend when Texas plays the inbred cheating trash scum from that unmentionable state tomorrow?
Quote from: Valmy on October 13, 2017, 11:13:49 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
Hmmm, can the 'Cuse pull off the upset on what was suppose to be a quiet weekend in College football.
How can you say that when the greatest rivalry in College Football is being played this weekend when Texas plays the inbred cheating trash scum from that unmentionable state tomorrow?
Oklahoma? It's not worth mentioning, not unmentionable. Slight difference there.
I'm torn, part of me wants Wazzu undefeated for Apple cup and for better SoS.
But to see them shit the bed in Berkeley to a team Huskies dominated last week :lmfao:
Quote from: katmai on October 14, 2017, 12:24:23 AM
I'm torn, part of me wants Wazzu undefeated for Apple cup and for better SoS.
But to see them shit the bed in Berkeley to a team Huskies dominated last week :lmfao:
The best part is that Leech just got straight up out coached.
I can't believe that Harbaugh is sticking with John O'Korn as QB. Michigan's offense is putrid with him under center. He's a fifth-year senior, so there's no "preparing for next year" advantage to playing him, and it's hard to believe that RS soph Branden Peters could possibly be any worse.
Harbaugh will be fired soon. :P
Quote from: Berkut on October 14, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
Quote from: katmai on October 14, 2017, 12:24:23 AM
I'm torn, part of me wants Wazzu undefeated for Apple cup and for better SoS.
But to see them shit the bed in Berkeley to a team Huskies dominated last week :lmfao:
The best part is that Leech just got straight up out coached.
What do you have against Leach? The man is 6-1 at Washington State(!).
I think I am going to by physically ill :x
There is just no way good way to lose to OU. FUCK OU FUCK OKLAHOMA FUCK THE BOZ FUCK BEAUTIFUL MORNINGS FUCK SURREYS WITH FRINGE ON TOP
Quote from: Valmy on October 14, 2017, 06:38:29 PM
There is just no way good way to lose to OU. FUCK OU FUCK OKLAHOMA FUCK THE BOZ FUCK BEAUTIFUL MORNINGS FUCK SURREYS WITH FRINGE ON TOP
Yeah.
:lol: Even surreys with the fringe on top
WVU goes on a 29-0 run to come back and beat Texas Tech. The couches are a-burnin' :)
Quote from: derspiess on October 14, 2017, 08:22:33 PM
WVU goes on a 29-0 run to come back and beat Texas Tech. The couches are a-burnin' :)
That's a shame. They'll have nothing to sit on in the front yard.
Wyoming gloriously beat Utah State University 28-23, a game broadcast(?) on Facebook. The 'Pokes are now 4-2, but having 2 games on Facebook means the taint is there...
Holy shit, Kalil Tate is for real.
Heisman candidate Josh Rosen has been picked off three times by the worst defense in the conference outside OSU.
Quote from: PDH on October 14, 2017, 10:59:06 PM
Wyoming gloriously beat Utah State University 28-23, a game broadcast(?) on Facebook. The 'Pokes are now 4-2, but having 2 games on Facebook means the taint is there...
Marshall had a game that was streamed on Facebook earlier this year. I Chromecasted it to my dad's TV so he could watch it, which was cool except for that there was no way to turn off live comments, likes, etc.
Looks like a couple ranked West Coast teams are getting exposed.
I think Rich Rod might end up owing Kalil Tate quite a bit of money.
I hate to say this, 'cause I'm not a fan of the SEC to start with, and on top of that the conference isn't as strong overall as it has been recently, but at this point if Alabama and Georgia are both unbeaten and meet in the conference championship game, there's a good chance both of them get into the playoffs; it's becoming more likely that there may not be any other conference that has any undefeated teams, and if Georgia's only lose is against Alabama in the SEC championship, they may very well get in ahead of a 1-loss Big 12 or Pac-12 champion.
It seems unlikely there will be a 1 loss PAC 12 champ and is far from certain there will be a big 12 one either. Or acc or big 10, fwiw.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 15, 2017, 08:45:31 AM
It seems unlikely there will be a 1 loss PAC 12 champ and is far from certain there will be a big 12 one either. Or acc or big 10, fwiw.
The PAC-12 will absolutely have a champion with at least 1 loss, the Big 12 will unless TCU runs the table, and the ACC will unless Miami runs the table. Unless you mean that those conferences will likely end up with champions with
more than one loss, which, yeah, is certainly possible, but would only make it more likely that a Georgia team who's only loss was to Alabama in the SEC championship game would get into the playoffs.
Quote from: dps on October 15, 2017, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 15, 2017, 08:45:31 AM
It seems unlikely there will be a 1 loss PAC 12 champ and is far from certain there will be a big 12 one either. Or acc or big 10, fwiw.
The PAC-12 will absolutely have a champion with at least 1 loss, the Big 12 will unless TCU runs the table, and the ACC will unless Miami runs the table. Unless you mean that those conferences will likely end up with champions with more than one loss, which, yeah, is certainly possible, but would only make it more likely that a Georgia team who's only loss was to Alabama in the SEC championship game would get into the playoffs.
I meant those conferences may not have 1 loss champs because they have champs with 2 or more losses.
Just looking at the Pac 12, there are no undefeated teams and just 3 one loss teams (the Washington schools and USC). USC was a two point conversion away from probably losing to Utah last night and the Washington schools have the Apple Cup. All of them have almost half the Pac 12 schedule to come and USC has Notre Dame on the road.
Wisconsin may not pick up two losses because they are undefeated and the west is absolute shit (though they still have Michigan), but if the east wins the championship game, the round robin of death between Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State is still to come, and only Michigan has played Michigan State.
I think we get at least 1 two loss team in the playoff this year.
The Washington-Arizona State game was worth staying up for :lol:
Quote from: alfred russel on October 15, 2017, 09:45:50 AM
Quote from: dps on October 15, 2017, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 15, 2017, 08:45:31 AM
It seems unlikely there will be a 1 loss PAC 12 champ and is far from certain there will be a big 12 one either. Or acc or big 10, fwiw.
The PAC-12 will absolutely have a champion with at least 1 loss, the Big 12 will unless TCU runs the table, and the ACC will unless Miami runs the table. Unless you mean that those conferences will likely end up with champions with more than one loss, which, yeah, is certainly possible, but would only make it more likely that a Georgia team who's only loss was to Alabama in the SEC championship game would get into the playoffs.
I meant those conferences may not have 1 loss champs because they have champs with 2 or more losses.
<snip>
Ah, OK.
QuoteI think we get at least 1 two loss team in the playoff this year.
There's a good chance. At this point, I don't expect the PAC-12 to have any teams with less than 2 losses, and there's at least a reasonable chance that no Power 5 conference except the SEC has any teams with less than 2 losses.
Let's see:
ACC: We have Miami undefeated, and Virginia, Virginia Tech, Clemson, and NC State all at 1 loss. Miami still has to play both Virginia and Virginia Tech, and the 2 teams from Virginia still have to play each other, while Clemson and NC State also have a game against each other. It's possible that Miami will win out, but in addition to UVa and VT and whoever they might play in the conference title game, they still have Norte Dame on their schedule. NC State also has a game with Norte Dame. Assuming no more Syracuse-over-Clemson upsets, and that Clemson's QB is healthy, the most likely outcome, I think, is that Miami loses to Norte Dame but wins the UVa and VT games, while Clemson wins out and beats Miami in the title game, giving the ACC a 1-loss champion. But it's certainly very possible that the ACC will have a champion with 2 (or more) losses. Just to make this really crazy, Clemson can win out the rest of the regular season and not play in the conference championship--if NC State loses to both Clemson and another conference foe, and Syracuse wins out, then Syracuse wins the division and goes to the title game (I'm sure the ACC powers-that-be love that scenario.)
Big 10: I'm not even going to go through all the possibilities, but the most likely outcome IMO is that both Ohio State and Wisconsin win out (if you'd asked me a week ago, I would have guessed that Wisconsin would lose to Michigan; now, not so much), and Ohio State wins the title game, giving the conference a 1-loss champion. But there are still a lot of reasonable scenarios that end up with a 2-or-more loss Big 10 champ.
Big 12: Baylor and Kansas suck, but other than that, who knows what's going to go on in this conference? I for sure wouldn't bet on TCU to win out, but they could. Figure a 1-loss champ, but it could easily be someone with a worse record than that.
PAC 10: Already guaranteed to have a champion with at least 1 loss, and the conference is probably balanced enough that no on here is likely to win out the rest of the regular season, so figure a conference champ with 2 losses at best.
Nobody outside the Power 5 is getting into the playoffs barring some really crazy stuff happening.
So I figure we'll end up with Alabama unbeaten, the ACC, Big 10, and Big 12 all with 1-loss champions, so a Georgia that only lost to Alabama in the SEC title game
probably doesn't get into the playoffs. But that's only the most likely outcome--there are plenty of other, almost as likely outcomes where Georgia would get in. And of course, there's no guarantee that Georgia makes it to the SEC championship unscathed.
Quote from: dps on October 15, 2017, 12:40:57 PM
Nobody outside the Power 5 is getting into the playoffs barring some really crazy stuff happening.
Not saying this is wrong...but there are a couple of potentially interesting non power five teams...
USF and UCF are both undefeated and ranked 17 and 20. Both are just demolishing people and play each other at the end of the year.
Notre Dame probably won't run the table, but if they do, they will have beaten Michigan State, USC, an NC State team that looks really good right now, Miami, and Stanford. Their only loss would be a one point loss to Georgia, who is currently #3. All those teams I just named are either currently in first place in their divisions within power five conferences, or unbeaten in conference play.
WVU re-entered the rankings-- again :D
Well that was one hell of a game.
it was on way past my bedtime.
Whoa. WVU just went from 20 down to 6 down in about minute. Blocked punt for TD, then a pick-6.
Horns beat Baylor to get to .500 and keep those scumbags with a 0 in the win column. The offense screwed around a lot and didn't run it up as much as they should have (for example: 3x turnovers, one of them on downs due to a screwup by the punter, that gave them the ball inside the Baylor ~30 and only 3 points), but I'll take 38-7. :punk:
Bama, Penn St and Georgia, who is 4th team as of right now?
edit: and of course soon as i post this The Ohio State scores to keep it interesting in Columbus.
Wisconsin.
E: Well presumably you're meaning now that the Toads lost.
E2: Haha Ohio State gonna win with that first down unless they totally fuck up.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 28, 2017, 06:07:45 PM
Wisconsin.
E: Well presumably you're meaning now that the Toads lost.
Yes and of course toss out Penn St too :lol:
I guess question is Alabama, Georgia and who are other two? :P
Wisconsin and Miami?
Quote from: katmai on October 28, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
Yes and of course toss out Penn St too :lol:
I guess question is Alabama, Georgia and who are other two? :P
Wisconsin and Miami?
Yeah, I guess Miami would be the other one. They're pretty low right now and didn't play particularly well against UNC, but no losses so vOv
Or maybe Ohio State gets boosted back up just because.
Yeah is it winning ugly but winning Canes over Ohio St or Clemson? :unsure:
When do the first playoff rankings come out? Tomorrow?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 28, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
When do the first playoff rankings come out? Tomorrow?
:yes:
538 Has their current 4 as
Alabama
Georgia
Ohio St
and Clemson
with Wisconsin, Washington and Oklahoma the first three out.
I have a boner
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 28, 2017, 07:15:43 PM
I have a boner
Yeah that was pretty great. To hell with Pedo State. Texas took care of the rapists today as well.
I was even able to tolerate Gus Johnson.
It feels weird to celebrate an OSU win, but a win over NAMBLA State is a win for humanity.
Best game of the day is New Mexico State at Wyoming. :P That Wyoming QB won't get drafted in the first round, but he'll be in the pros somewhere based on pure balls. :lol:
Quote from: katmai on October 28, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
538 Has their current 4 as
Alabama
Georgia
Ohio St
and Clemson
with Wisconsin, Washington and Oklahoma the first three out.
That's reasonable, but I'd go with Alabama, Georgia, Norte Dame, and Miami as the top 4. I don't really think that Miami belongs, but as long as they're undefeated, I think you have to put them above Clemson. I suppose that you could say the same about Wisconsin, but if they played in the Big Ten East instead of West, they'd probably be no better than the 3rd best team in the division, if that.
Notre Dame is almost certainly in if they win out, I think. Unless Georgia unexpectedly collapses, ND would have the best loss of any 1-loss team, and a bunch of good wins. Of course, they still have some work to do to get those wins.
At this point, the Big 12 and PAC-12 need help to get any team into the playoff, but they may get it.
Iowa fans very fucked up tonight.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
Best game of the day is New Mexico State at Wyoming. :P That Wyoming QB won't get drafted in the first round, but he'll be in the pros somewhere based on pure balls. :lol:
No way, WSU at Arizona by far.
Kalil Tate. WSU loaded up the box, so he just threw bombs against them until they didn't, then Arizona hit them with running plays of 82, 79, and 49 yards.
Washington State was giving up 270ish YPG going into Arizona, and the Cats put nearly 600 on them.
Kalil Tate Passing:
10/17 275 16.2 2 1 91.8
Kalil Tate Rushing:
13 146 11.2 1
Over the last four games:
Passing:
CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
46 67 68.7 784 11.7 6 68 3 187.5
Rushing:
ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
69 926 13.4 82 8
This guy is freaking insane, and he is only getting better.
He has another excellent (and young) back with him, a solid receiving corps and decent offensive line (their pass blocking needs work).
Arizona's defense is stupid young, but has some really good freshman. They give up a lot of yards to a sophisticated offense like Leachs, but they have athleticism and force plays.
This team is ridiculously young - something like 60 RS freshman/freshman on the roster.
Next week they have to go to USC, that game will be for the P12 South Conference lead. I don't think they are going to go in and knock USC off at home, but it is sure nice that if they did, it would not be a huge surprise.
They should go from unranked to in the low teens I would think.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21171679/behold-arizona-wildcats-khalil-tate-new-pac12afterdark-watch
Nice article on Tate written before the WSU game.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
Best game of the day is New Mexico State at Wyoming. :P That Wyoming QB won't get drafted in the first round, but he'll be in the pros somewhere based on pure balls. :lol:
I was there, it was homecoming and I blew my Southwest points to fly to Denver, get picked up by my Nephew (who as a real job there as a civil engineer - hod bless STEM), and drive up to Laramie. I lost my voice, I had to leave this morning at 430 to make my cheapest flight back...but GODDAMMIT, for one night Wyoming looked okay.
Hawkeyes playing an inspired game against the mighty Fuckeyes. :punk:
Quote from: PDH on October 29, 2017, 02:36:27 PM
for one night Wyoming looked okay.
They're probably going to go bowling again this year (hope posting this doesn't jinx it for you PDH).
It's also looking like the only FBS teams from Florida that won't be going bowling are Florida and Florida State. Who'd have guessed that?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 04, 2017, 04:25:09 PM
Hawkeyes playing an inspired game against the mighty Fuckeyes. :punk:
:nelson: at the Ohio State.
Lawdy, it's a massacree.
Ohio State and Penn State both go down. Chaos in the B10 East.
Well Iowa beat Wyoming - so they clearly are the best team.
I don't have a boner.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 04, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
I don't have a boner.
See, for one week you get to know what it's like to be a Wyoming fan.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 04, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
I don't have a boner.
That's precisely why Mrs. Meyer made Mr. Meyer move there.
Quote from: PDH on November 04, 2017, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 04, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
I don't have a boner.
See, for one week you get to know what it's like to be a Wyoming fan.
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Heh didn't realize how big that was.
Thank you.
Wyoming is playing (and losing to) Colorado State right now. Apparently it is snowing hard and heavy there. I am glad I went last weekend.
Wyoming pulled it out 16-13 in a blizzard. They were run over, manhandled, and generally left for dead...but somehow they put together a big drive in the snow and got the go ahead TD. Two years in a row, bowl eligible, THAT is something that hasn't happened at UW for a long time.
So how are the Banana Slugs doing?
UCSC is Div III/club in all sports, with Basketball and Rugby being the featured teams. There is no conflict of interest, they don't do sports here, they do weed.
Quote from: PDH on November 04, 2017, 09:28:14 PM
Wyoming pulled it out 16-13 in a blizzard. They were run over, manhandled, and generally left for dead...but somehow they put together a big drive in the snow and got the go ahead TD. Two years in a row, bowl eligible, THAT is something that hasn't happened at UW for a long time.
I checked in on that game a couple times while the Toads were making the Horns eat shit. They were shoveling off the sidelines and such between plays. Good times.
U Dub is "imposing their will" as the old phrase goes on the Ducks.
I would like to extend my personal thanks to the Iowa Hawkeyes for saving us from any reasonable possibility of Ohio State making the playoffs.
Quote from: dps on November 05, 2017, 12:09:15 AM
I would like to extend my personal thanks to the Iowa Hawkeyes for saving us from any reasonable possibility of Ohio State making the playoffs.
Yeah, the Big Ten is going to be watching the playoffs this year. Too much parity, and no really complete teams.
Sparty got mudered and thrown into the nearest ditch.
#1 lost, #2 is down on the road in 4th, #3 is getting beat handily. Way to go Huskies <_<
Wyoming was up 21-7 then the big time QB went down, maybe with a season ending injury. Now it is 21-14 and Wyoming has no offense. Well, feeling good lasts a short while as a Wyoming fan, then the reality returns.
Wisconsin was the big winner this weekend, I think. Georgia's loss dramatically reduces the chances that there will be 2 SEC teams getting into the playoff, and Norte Dame's loss eliminates them, barring complete chaos over the next few weeks, so there's almost no chance now of Wisconsin being left out as an undefeated Big 10 champ. Of course, they still have to actually go undefeated.
Wyoming won - the backup QB had a nice 70 yard drive for a TD, the Air Force Falcons are not a come from behind team and they proved that once again.
Wyo 28 - Air Force 14
Let's see what the prognosis is on Josh Allen, I sure as hell hope he didn't fuck up his NFL career with an injury.
Yeah, let's hope it's not serious.
I had a vivid dream last night where WVU completely stunk up the field vs. Texas. To the point where there were serious considerations of abandoning the football program. Must have been something I ate last night.
Quote from: derspiess on November 17, 2017, 11:42:18 AM
I had a vivid dream last night where WVU completely stunk up the field vs. Texas. To the point where there were serious considerations of abandoning the football program. Must have been something I ate last night.
Spicey I want to help you make your dreams come true.
Are you going to plunk the WVU qb with a beer can?
Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 17, 2017, 12:52:35 PM
Are you going to plunk the WVU qb with a beer can?
I said I WANT to...I may lack the ability to do so from my house in Austin.
Seems like you need some long range beer can artillery. Get to work, Mr. Engineer.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 17, 2017, 01:49:38 PM
Seems like you need some long range beer can artillery. Get to work, Mr. Engineer.
Do I look like a Mechanical Engineer to you? :angry:
You look like Mono. :P
Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 17, 2017, 03:54:26 PM
You look like Mono. :P
Huh? He looks nothing like a green sign.
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2017, 03:38:55 PM
Do I look like a Mechanical Engineer to you? :angry:
You people all look the same to me. :smoke:
Grier's dislocated finger was gross. Val apparently figured out how to disguise the beer can as Brandon Jones.
That is how electrical engineers do it :P
Wyoming is playing vs Fresno State without Josh Allen their big QB. Down 10-0 it is hard to watch.
Quote from: Valmy on November 17, 2017, 12:39:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 17, 2017, 11:42:18 AM
I had a vivid dream last night where WVU completely stunk up the field vs. Texas. To the point where there were serious considerations of abandoning the football program. Must have been something I ate last night.
Spicey I want to help you make your dreams come true.
It must be a living nightmare for him now: losing AND the game being called by a filthy cunt whore? Oh, the ignominy.
Ten Years after Pitt ruined West Virginia's chance to play for the championship they do it to Miami. Sorry Dorsey.
:bleeding:
E: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 25, 2017, 01:19:01 AM
:bleeding:
E: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Yep. Texas' program is incapable of turning the corner these days. That was a shitshow. Ah well. Another shitty season.
I turned my barkeep onto the UT assless chaps performing team today.
What scrub looking clown program is playing Michigan today? Oregon? What the hell are they wearing?
So, Chip Kelly is going to UCLA.
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2017, 03:02:11 PM
What scrub looking clown program is playing Michigan today? Oregon? What the hell are they wearing?
I always used to admire OSU for sticking to traditional uniforms (as Michigan did before Dave "if it ain't broken, break it!" Brandon arrived). Now they are clown university, too.
Michigan and OSU should wear their home uniforms at The Game every year, no matter where it is played. USC and UCLA do that when they play, and it looks great.
Quote from: grumbler on November 25, 2017, 05:13:58 PM
I always used to admire OSU for sticking to traditional uniforms (as Michigan did before Dave "if it ain't broken, break it!" Brandon arrived). Now they are clown university, too.
They are truly horrid.
Harbaugh's hole got just a little bit deeper today. :(
In other news, watching Alabama's series of scrimmage brain farts in the fourth quarter was hilariously enjoyable. I could see the vein in Nick Saban's forehead throb from the sofa.
Wyoming lost to the worst team in the Mountain West. Sure, they don't have the great QB, sure they are a bit down...but to lose to a 1-11 team is both "so Wyoming" and also indicates that I might want to take these last two seasons of winning and remember them.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 25, 2017, 07:45:20 PM
They are truly horrid.
Harbaugh's hole got just a little bit deeper today. :(
In other news, watching Alabama's series of scrimmage brain farts in the fourth quarter was hilariously enjoyable. I could see the vein in Nick Saban's forehead throb from the sofa.
Harbaugh's okay. We knew this year was coming when Hoke recruited one QB in 2012 and zero in 2013. Only three players from the 2012 class are still with the team - it was the youngest in Div 1A this year. It couldn't afford injuries, but got them in spades. OTOH, they lose three players on offense and one on defense. Next year a NC is a quite reasonable expectation.
I was glad to see that O'Korn's last game in a Michigan uniform wasn't a disaster. He's not a Div 1 QB, but he worked hard and deserved a decent game to go out on.
Alabama's loss was great for Wisconsin. Maybe scheduling only creampuffs will work this year.
Quote from: grumbler on November 25, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
Maybe scheduling only creampuffs will work this year.
Schedule Wyoming - win by 50.
Rematch against Auburn. Cool.
https://deadspin.com/mike-leach-has-some-wedding-advice-for-all-you-men-out-1820678549
:lol:
Lane Kiffin trolling: https://twitter.com/lane_kiffin/status/936028243177754624
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP1wudoXUAAFXoc.jpg)
It is nice for Texas to be the less embarrassing UT.
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2017, 12:40:15 PM
https://deadspin.com/mike-leach-has-some-wedding-advice-for-all-you-men-out-1820678549
:lol:
Leach is great. Tech really robbed us all when they let Craig James fire him.
So where is Dorsey these days? So many CFB posts I have been expecting from him and nothing.
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2017, 02:21:32 PM
So where is Dorsey these days? So many CFB posts I have been expecting from him and nothing.
Tierra Del Fuego?
The real Dorsey is coaching Cam Newton.
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2017, 12:09:09 PM
It is nice for Texas to be the less embarrassing UT.
It gets better. Apparently Tennessee is firing their AD, and Phil Fulmer has supposedly been sabotaging the coaching search in hopes of becoming the next AD.
Awesome.
Quote from: derspiess on December 01, 2017, 05:10:56 PM
Awesome.
So funny. Tennessee getting all morally indignant, yet still orbiting Planet Fulmer. That's like the Corleones getting righteous over Sollottzo.
Now that he's the AD, I wonder if Fulmer will hire himself back as HC.
Heck, at this point he might have to--no on else may want the job. :)
Too bad we don't have any Tennessee fans here to mock.
SEC CHAMPIONS BABY!!
Clearly my focusness was key. :sleep:
Bill in Sinton would be so proud Eddie :cry:
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2017, 08:14:16 PM
Ten Years after Pitt ruined West Virginia's chance to play for the championship they do it to Miami. Sorry Dorsey.
I've been out of the country (work and then a vacation that took me totally off the grid) for a few weeks.
Before the season, I just was hoping Miami would beat FSU and win the ACC Coastal. They did both. I don't think Pitt did anything - that was a throwaway game. Miami should have still made the playoff had it beat Clemson. But Miami won a lot of close games and had a really good turnover margin--both are signs that a team is living on borrowed time (teams with good records that do both tend to revert to a lower mean over time).
As a dual ND / Miami fan, I was hoping that ND would win the game they played, because I don't think the Miami program is to a point that it can consistently beat top tier programs in championship/playoff settings on a regular basis - which it would need to do in order to win a title. A beatdown by Clemson was not unexpected by me--had it not been Clemson, it probably would have been Alabama/UGA/Ohio State/Oklahoma.
10-2 with a win over FSU and an ACC championship game appearance, plus good recruiting class coming in, is a great step forward for the program. FSU and Florida in turmoil is icing on a pretty good cake.
ND losing to Stanford was more disappointing.
I haven't seen football in about a month.
This is why Mike Leach is a national treasure.
QuoteAt The Players' Tribune, we do many features that dive deep into the psyche of competing in athletics at the highest level. This is not one of those features.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/5-thoughts-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-football/
Money quote
QuoteIf you go to any elementary school classroom in Texas, some kids in there are going to be named either Austin, Dallas or Houston. That's basically the same thing. I wouldn't do that, or at least I'd try to get more creative with it. Name your kid Amarillo or Carrizo Springs. You know what, I'm going to move back to Texas, have another kid and name him Fort Stockton.
Grumbler nicknamed the kid "el no Paso".
Of course those three were already names before they were cities coach :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on December 27, 2017, 07:40:58 PM
Of course those three were already names before they were cities coach :lol:
It's also not just a Texas thing, which still seems weird to me. I wonder if it would still be a "money quote" though if it had been:
QuoteYou should name your kid Yellow or Beach Grass (Springs). I'm going to name a kid after another person instead of these particular people.
Because that's what he said. :lol:
E: Hey football related: Like half the Horns starters on defense aren't playing, Val. They just said Jefferson was for sure out. So that's not good.
Hey they've got Foreman out there for the coin toss! Still on crutches though, because Houston also can't have nice things.
I can't believe the board's Texans actually fell for that gag! :lol:
Five bucks says they look up when someone tells them that "someone wrote the word 'gullible' on the ceiling!"
Yes, there was some very serious discussion about that fairly standard, for him, Mike Leach comment that you totally didn't think was funny. Pretty great "gag," bud.
E: Boo, Missouri finally showing signs of life. Looks like there's some pretty good attendance for a shit-tier bowl game.
Whoa Wheeler runs pretty well with the ball for an LB. Nice job with the TD off the fumble. Even threw in a juke or two along with a little stiff-arm.
:punk: Nice win.
Quote from: grumbler on December 27, 2017, 09:54:20 PM
I can't believe the board's Texans actually fell for that gag! :lol:
Five bucks says they look up when someone tells them that "someone wrote the word 'gullible' on the ceiling!"
I was laughing along with you that was a funny gag...and now you are an asshole for no goddamn reason. So typical grumbler. I do feel stupid for trusting you weren't a total jerk. That was gullible of me. Fool me a million times shame on me.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 27, 2017, 09:59:43 PM
:punk: Nice win.
Indeed. It was nice for such a frustrating season to go out on a high note.
Quote from: grumbler on December 27, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
If you go to any elementary school classroom in Texas, some kids in there are going to be named either Austin, Dallas or Houston. That's basically the same thing. I wouldn't do that, or at least I'd try to get more creative with it. Name your kid Amarillo or Carrizo Springs. You know what, I'm going to move back to Texas, have another kid and name him Fort Stockton.
I can actually hear the old NFL United Way campaign narrator (https://youtu.be/tWv6kc4Mv0c) say it: Carrizo Springs.
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2017, 02:17:11 AM
I was laughing along with you that was a funny gag...and now you are an asshole for no goddamn reason. So typical grumbler. I do feel stupid for trusting you weren't a total jerk. That was gullible of me. Fool me a million times shame on me.
Meh, just mock his weak shit. It was just some Leach-speak with some throwaway comments regarding his dorky "money quote." Light conversation over a couple posts. This tool preening about it doesn't mean there's anything there.
Speaking of which, I'm proud that I remembered what those Spanish words meant. :smarty:
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2017, 02:20:24 AM
Indeed. It was nice for such a frustrating season to go out on a high note.
I appreciated the defense playing so well for missing so many starters. The offense looked pretty much the same.
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2017, 02:17:11 AM
I was laughing along with you that was a funny gag...and now you are an asshole for no goddamn reason. So typical grumbler. I do feel stupid for trusting you weren't a total jerk. That was gullible of me. Fool me a million times shame on me.
The butthurt is bigger in Texas. :(
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2017, 08:47:52 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2017, 02:17:11 AM
I was laughing along with you that was a funny gag...and now you are an asshole for no goddamn reason. So typical grumbler. I do feel stupid for trusting you weren't a total jerk. That was gullible of me. Fool me a million times shame on me.
The butthurt is bigger in Texas. :(
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Damn, Navy is just flat out kicking Virginia's ass. 42-7 about to start the 4th Q.
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2017, 08:47:52 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2017, 02:17:11 AM
I was laughing along with you that was a funny gag...and now you are an asshole for no goddamn reason. So typical grumbler. I do feel stupid for trusting you weren't a total jerk. That was gullible of me. Fool me a million times shame on me.
The butthurt is bigger in Texas. :(
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
I don't get it. I really don't. grumbler is acting very grumpy, but he should be happy. After Rich Rod went 0-6 against Michigan State and Ohio State in his first (and only) three years at Michigan, Harbaugh has improved that mark to 1-5. Things are clearly going in the right direction.
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Dunno why your panties are so twisted up. Leach made a silly (obviously never meant to be taken seriously) comment about city/boy's names, and you made a serious response (that they were peoples' names before they were city names... duh!), for which I rightly gigged you. Now you are all butthurt because I called you out on that.
Whatever. I don't have time to deal with drama queens.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 28, 2017, 05:00:06 PM
I don't get it. I really don't. grumbler is acting very grumpy, but he should be happy. After Rich Rod went 0-6 against Michigan State and Ohio State in his first (and only) three years at Michigan, Harbaugh has improved that mark to 1-5. Things are clearly going in the right direction.
This is a much better try at a burn than anything our Texans have tried.
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2017, 05:29:47 PM
Whatever. I don't have time to deal with drama queens.
Well then show yourself out. You're the only one trying to stir up shit here and trying to make something out of nothing.
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2017, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 28, 2017, 05:00:06 PM
I don't get it. I really don't. grumbler is acting very grumpy, but he should be happy. After Rich Rod went 0-6 against Michigan State and Ohio State in his first (and only) three years at Michigan, Harbaugh has improved that mark to 1-5. Things are clearly going in the right direction.
This is a much better try at a burn than anything our Texans have tried.
Thanks but remember they are Texans. They have a very finely honed "burn" skill set, but it is specialized in burning black churches and similar structures. Intellectual discussions such as these are not the Texans' forte.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2017, 05:29:47 PM
Whatever. I don't have time to deal with drama queens.
Well then show yourself out. You're the only one trying to stir up shit here and trying to make something out of nothing.
:cry:
Quote from: alfred russel on December 28, 2017, 05:49:25 PM
:cry:
:D All you're doing at the moment is responding to grumbler's typical stupidity. You'd have to randomly attack Valmy for no reason except you're a completely miserable douche who is overcompensating online for something in your real life to get to his level.
E: Hey VaTech has the ball back, and the early lead. ^_^
Thank you MBM. :)
Back to the thread topic, I'm becoming less and less enamored with bowl season. The playoffs take away a lot imo, and the handful of guys holding out to avoid injury before the NFL draft are a symptom of that.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 28, 2017, 05:59:05 PM
Thank you MBM. :)
Back to the thread topic, I'm becoming less and less enamored with bowl season. The playoffs take away a lot imo, and the handful of guys holding out to avoid injury before the NFL draft are a symptom of that.
Yeah, except for the Texas game last night, I've mostly just had them on in the background and just sort of glanced over to check the scores and all that. Not sure if it's the playoff effect or what for me, but it's basically like a typical NFL Sunday at this point, except it's a week+ long.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 28, 2017, 05:59:05 PM
Thank you MBM. :)
Back to the thread topic, I'm becoming less and less enamored with bowl season. The playoffs take away a lot imo, and the handful of guys holding out to avoid injury before the NFL draft are a symptom of that.
Yeah, except for the Texas game last night, I've mostly just had them on in the background and just sort of glanced over to check the scores and all that. Not sure if it's the playoff effect or what for me, but it's basically like a typical NFL Sunday at this point, except it's a week+ long.
Aside from the playoffs making the other bowls less compelling, there are just too many bowl games. It's not a matter of oversaturation
per se; it's a matter of there not being enough good teams to fill all the slots. A team that goes 6-6 and makes a lower tier bowl and will finish with a losing record if they lose their bowl game isn't a team that deserved to be there in the first place. I have little to no interest in watching a game with such a team in it, unless I have some particular pre-existing interest in that team. At least we didn't have any 5-7 teams in bowl games this year, unlike the last couple of years.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 28, 2017, 05:49:25 PM
:cry:
:D All you're doing at the moment is responding to grumbler's typical stupidity. You'd have to randomly attack Valmy for no reason except you're a completely miserable douche who is overcompensating online for something in your real life to get to his level.
E: Hey VaTech has the ball back, and the early lead. ^_^
What if you're a vitriolic francophobe, then is it ok to randomly attack Valmy?
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 28, 2017, 08:18:04 PMWhat if you're a vitriolic francophobe, then is it ok to randomly attack Valmy?
Seems like that's a reason other than just being a dick.
DPS, my team required that 6-6=bowl game rule this year (and the last time they went to a bowl game), so I don't think I'd vote to get rid of that just yet. ;)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 05:39:06 PM
Well then show yourself out. You're the only one trying to stir up shit here and trying to make something out of nothing.
OK! :lol: I am, indeed, the only one not over-reacting to a silly Mike Leach post, which I though was funny. Fuck Texas and all who sail in her! :P
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 05:53:14 PM
:D All you're doing at the moment is responding to grumbler's typical stupidity. You'd have to randomly attack Valmy for no reason except you're a completely miserable douche who is overcompensating online for something in your real life to get to his level.
Quoted for posterity. ;)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 28, 2017, 08:18:04 PMWhat if you're a vitriolic francophobe, then is it ok to randomly attack Valmy?
Seems like that's a reason other than just being a dick.
DPS, my team required that 6-6=bowl game rule this year (and the last time they went to a bowl game), so I don't think I'd vote to get rid of that just yet. ;)
Sure, that falls under "particular pre-existing interest in that team".
While the clown continuing to shit up his own thread, like he does so many others, is vaguely amusing in a sad sort of way, there are actual games going on. Go Cardinals. Washington State has some guy not named Faulk playing at QB.
Also, VaTech is dead to me. :glare:
Quote from: dps on December 28, 2017, 09:35:55 PM
Sure, that falls under "particular pre-existing interest in that team".
Yeah. I also....I dunno....I find it hard to argue in favor of
less football, when the offseason is so long and boring. Not a big basketball fan, so that doesn't help. Should probably pay attention to hockey or something.
E: Hey touchdown Stanford.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 09:36:52 PM
While the loser continuing to shit up his own thread, like he does so many others, is vaguely amusing in a sad sort of way...
First Rule of Holes, dude. :)
lolz TCU with the attempted hidden man trick play.
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
First Rule of Holes, dude. :)
:huh: Kind of weird that you're now posting advice to yourself. But yeah, you should stop. I agree.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 09:38:37 PM
Quote from: dps on December 28, 2017, 09:35:55 PM
Sure, that falls under "particular pre-existing interest in that team".
Yeah. I also....I dunno....I find it hard to argue in favor of less football, when the offseason is so long and boring. Not a big basketball fan, so that doesn't help. Should probably pay attention to hockey or something.
E: Hey touchdown Stanford.
Yeah, a longer off-season and less total football would be the result of simply cutting back on the number of bowls. To compensate, I think I'd be in favor of going back to 13 regular season games.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 09:41:48 PM
lolz TCU with the attempted hidden man trick play.
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
First Rule of Holes, dude. :)
:huh: Kind of weird that you're now posting advice to yourself. But yeah, you should stop. I agree.
The longer the argument, the more likely you are stuck in the hole with him. ;)
Quote from: dps on December 28, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
Yeah, a longer off-season and less total football would be the result of simply cutting back on the number of bowls. To compensate, I think I'd be in favor of going back to 13 regular season games.
It would be something to check to make sure, but 13 would probably help with some of these crappy schedules where teams in the same conference only play each other for, what is it, like 4 years in the SEC? Big 10 might be like that too.
Would you expand the playoffs as well?
Ugh that's a bad pick by Costello. And oof there's nice a hit on the TCU WR.
E: Huh. That's odd. Stanford punt returner/WR changes numbers just for special teams plays, then goes back to his usual number when on offense.
E2: 21-3 now. Nice. Patterson is just dumping sweat everywhere.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: dps on December 28, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
Yeah, a longer off-season and less total football would be the result of simply cutting back on the number of bowls. To compensate, I think I'd be in favor of going back to 13 regular season games.
It would be something to check to make sure, but 13 would probably help with some of these crappy schedules where teams in the same conference only play each other for, what is it, like 4 years in the SEC? Big 10 might be like that too.
Would you expand the playoffs as well?
13 games is too many. I realize this is not really in the spirit of our times, but aren't these players supposed to be students? If it was up to me, we would go back to an 11 game season and we would drop the conference championship games. I realize the latter move is all but impossible now because we have obnoxiously large conferences, but it is what it is.
I'd suggest an 8 team playoff as well - yes that adds an extra game, but a 4 team playoff in a sport with 130 or so teams isn't reasonable imo. With 8 teams you could let the major conferences play their way in and just have a handful of spots picked by a committee.
I think there actually is a way to get more competitive out of conference scheduling: don't allow conferences to sell the rights to out of conference games. As it stands, teams don't really give a shit about TV money when scheduling, because they just get their cut from the conference. But if the teams had to sell their own TV rights, suddenly they would get a lot more bank from putting together compelling contests.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 28, 2017, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 28, 2017, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: dps on December 28, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
Yeah, a longer off-season and less total football would be the result of simply cutting back on the number of bowls. To compensate, I think I'd be in favor of going back to 13 regular season games.
It would be something to check to make sure, but 13 would probably help with some of these crappy schedules where teams in the same conference only play each other for, what is it, like 4 years in the SEC? Big 10 might be like that too.
Would you expand the playoffs as well?
13 games is too many. I realize this is not really in the spirit of our times, but aren't these players supposed to be students? If it was up to me, we would go back to an 11 game season and we would drop the conference championship games. I realize the latter move is all but impossible now because we have obnoxiously large conferences, but it is what it is.
I'd suggest an 8 team playoff as well - yes that adds an extra game, but a 4 team playoff in a sport with 130 or so teams isn't reasonable imo. With 8 teams you could let the major conferences play their way in and just have a handful of spots picked by a committee.
Well, I was speaking earlier just from the standpoint of being a football fan, but yes, there certainly is an argument that if we're really interested in academics we should go to a shorter schedule. OTOH, if we're really all that interested in academics, maybe we ought to just abolish intercollegiate athletics entirely (which isn't going to happen, because it brings in too much money, or at least football and basketball do).
And FWIW, I do think that conferences are too large; I'd prefer smaller conferences where all the conference members actually played each other every year, which would eliminate any actual need for conference championship games, but those games are too profitable for the conferences to get rid of them. I do hold out some hope that the overly-large (IMO) conferences we have right now will prove so unwieldy that we'll get back to smaller conferences, but they'll still keep the championship games.
In general, I'm not opposed to expanding the playoffs, but I have concerns about how the powers that be might go about it.
The Alamo Bowl is a helluva game.
SO with a minute left in the Purdue-Arizona bowl game, Arizona fumbled the ball. Purdue recovered at their 32.
They snapped the ball with 56 seconds left, lined up in the "victory" formation. They faked the kneel to run out the clock, and handed the ball off while the Arizona players did not fire off, and gained 30 yards. They then kicked a field goal...which ended up being the difference in the game.
So RichRod and Arizona players claim that the officials told them that Purdue was taking a knee, and hence they should not fire off.
Now, as an official, if a team *tells me* they are taking a knee, I tell the defense they are taking a knee. I then tell the QB "Take the snap, and go directly to your knee". If he does ANYTHING else, I am blowing the play dead and assessing either a false start if I feel nice, or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike if I don't.
Most people seem to think this was a brilliant play.
I think it is fucking stupid.
Purdue, from now on, will never get the benefit of being able to take a knee. Defenses will fire off and hammer them, because who knows, maybe they aren't REALLY taking a knee. This will then result in fights, and injuries.
The key to me is whether or not anyone on Purdue actually told the officials they were taking a knee. If they did not, and just lined up in the "take a knee" formation, then Arizona has nothing to complain about. It is still a bush league, stupid play, but not illegal.
If they told the officials they were taking a knee, they should have blown the play dead at the least if they communicated that to the defense.
I thought at some point there were rules put into place where when you do that, it's just automatically considered a kneel down and you can't run a play out of it. Or was that the NFL?
No, there is no such rule, at least in college there is not.
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2017, 01:37:44 PM
Now, as an official, if a team *tells me* they are taking a knee, I tell the defense they are taking a knee. I then tell the QB "Take the snap, and go directly to your knee". If he does ANYTHING else, I am blowing the play dead and assessing either a false start if I feel nice, or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike if I don't.
So basically you are just going to make up your own rules? I have three ideas:
1) If a team tells you what play they are going to run, don't tell the other team. That is grossly inappropriate. If they want to tell the other team their plays, that is their business, but the official shouldn't be involved in that.
2) Call the play as it happens. If they didn't false start, don't call a false start. If the runner isn't down, don't call him down.
3) Assuming someone told the official there was going to be a kneel down, you don't know that the person was misleading the official. There are up to 100 players and coaches on the field. The person telling the official may not have known about the fake - it is even conceivable the team had that trick play available and the players may have audibled to it. It is preposterous to decide that if someone on a team at some point tells an official that a certain play will be run and for whatever reason a different play is run - that the play is dead and there is a penalty. An official can not dictate what play is going to be run to a quarterback and call a penalty if something else is run.
E: ^^If someone tells an official that they're taking a knee to end the half, then they need to take the knee. If someone tells an official they're throwing a pass, then run (or whatever other scenario that doesn't involve intentionally ending the half or game), they're just being stupid^^
No defense game in the Belk Bowl. 38-28 Wake Forest over TAMU at the half.
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2017, 02:34:19 PM
No, there is no such rule, at least in college there is not.
Ah it seems to be if they "simulate" taking the knee.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 29, 2017, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2017, 01:37:44 PM
Now, as an official, if a team *tells me* they are taking a knee, I tell the defense they are taking a knee. I then tell the QB "Take the snap, and go directly to your knee". If he does ANYTHING else, I am blowing the play dead and assessing either a false start if I feel nice, or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike if I don't.
So basically you are just going to make up your own rules?
Well, no. I am not sure where you got that idea.
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I have three ideas:
1) If a team tells you what play they are going to run, don't tell the other team. That is grossly inappropriate. If they want to tell the other team their plays, that is their business, but the official shouldn't be involved in that.
Preventing injury is certainly entirely appropriate, and if they don't want me to tell the other team, they should not tell me. There is no reason for them to tell me UNLESS they want me to tell the other team - that is the only point of doing so. And in fact, I don't think in nearly 20 years of officiating, I've ever had someone tell me what play they were going to run except in this rather particular situation.
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2) Call the play as it happens. If they didn't false start, don't call a false start. If the runner isn't down, don't call him down.
And if the play is an abuse of sportsmanship, I will call that as well. As it happens.
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3) Assuming someone told the official there was going to be a kneel down, you don't know that the person was misleading the official.
Misleading the officials is not part of the game, and is unsporting. We are not part of the interaction and attempts to deceive the other team, and trying to use us as such is unsporting.
Just like trying to use the substitution procedure to deceive the other team about whether a player replaced or not, or eligible or not. There is deceipt in football of course, but that doesn't mean that all deceit is part of the game.
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There are up to 100 players and coaches on the field.
Hopefully not! We try to limit it to just 22 on the field, and none of them should be coaches.
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The person telling the official may not have known about the fake
So? It is unsporting whether they know or not. If a coach sends a 12th player on the field, and they don't know they are the 12th, should we ignore it since they weren't aware?
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- it is even conceivable the team had that trick play available and the players may have audibled to it.
Then don't tell the official you are going to take a knee, if you want the option to audible out of taking a knee.
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It is preposterous to decide that if someone on a team at some point tells an official that a certain play will be run and for whatever reason a different play is run - that the play is dead and there is a penalty. An official can not dictate what play is going to be run to a quarterback and call a penalty if something else is run.
Sure we can. This is not just some random play, this is a very particular circumstance where there is a courtesy involved in making sure nobody gets hurt on a meaningless play, and to make sure that in contested games where someone might be inclined to take a cheap shot and start a melee, we can control the situation. That is why we are instructed to act in the manner described above. Because that is what most coaches and administrators want - nobody to get hurt or fights to break out on otherwise meaningless plays. And most of them understand that it is pretty shitty to try to take advantage of that courtesy.
If they don't want us to do that, they can of course simply tell us not to do that, and in that case we won't administer announced kneels in that manner. But what we clearly cannot do is allow for the courtesy of the offense having the ability to announce a kneel with the expectation that we will then instruct the defense to not fire off, then use that announcement to deceive the defense and run a play.
You think this is just about football, and there is more to it than that - these is a real effort to reduce injuries and stop bullshit in games. In highly emotional games, those last few plays when the outcome is decided can be problematic.
Of course, if the situation is such that the defense declines to accept that, they have that right as well. But again, I expect THEM to make that clear for the same reasons - so everyone can protect themselves.
I know as a fan you are all "Let them kill each other for mah entertainment!" but officials and the people in charge of the game have other concerns.
QuoteThen don't tell the official you are going to take a knee, if you want the option to audible out of taking a knee.
That is not in the rule book. Maybe it should be for injury prevention purposes or for sportsmanship, but it is not there now. This is the Berkut rule invented on the spot.
I also don't see anything unsportsmanlike about player/coach A giving the heads up to an official about what is going to happen, and that being in error either because he had bad information or the situation changed. It is neither ethically unsporting nor is it defined in the rulebook as unsporting.
What leeway does an NCAA official have to call penalties like Berkut says he would have? I'm sort of with Berkut in that it was unsporting to go that route and is a black mark on the team, but it sounds like he would be making up the false start (or unsportsmanlike conduct call) out of thin air-- which IMO would be just as dishonest.
Btw I know it's just youth football, but my son's team had a contentious, very physical game this year that ended in a 6-0 win. We recovered a fumble as the other team was driving on us. Since there was less than a minute left on the clock and the other team had used all its timeouts, we just knelt down for the last two plays. The head referee actually told the defense to back up two yards and to not fire off at the snap. For the last play he even stood between them and the ball. I don't know if this is all per league rules or not, but it seemed odd. I was pretty glad he did that, because this team had been all-out blitzing us all day and were exploiting a couple weak spots in our line. Could've gotten ugly if they nailed our QB as he was kneeling.
NCAA football rulebook 9-2-3-c
QuoteThe following are unfair acts:...
c. An obviously unfair act not specifically covered by the rules occurs during the game
PENALTY –
The referee may take any action he considers equitable, which includes directing that the down be repeated, assessing a 15-yard penalty, awarding a score, or suspending or forfeiting the game
https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-9-conduct-of-players-and-others-subject-to-the-rules/2/ (https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-9-conduct-of-players-and-others-subject-to-the-rules/2/)
Sounds like the rule book has Berkut's position covered.
I don't think it is obviously unfair to run a fake kneel down. I also don't think it is obviously unfair for an unspecified person at an unspecified time to make an unconfirmed statement to the official that the next play will be a kneel down when in fact that doesn't take place.
Unsurprisingly, the officials on the field didn't believe that rule applied in this instance, either. I also haven't heard any conference official's statement that the rules were misapplied at the end of the game.
Remember, there's also problem specifically with this one because the officials supposedly told the Arizona defenders essentially not to play that down.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 29, 2017, 06:18:32 PM
Remember, there's also problem specifically with this one because the officials supposedly told the Arizona defenders essentially not to play that down.
Allegedly.
But even assuming they did, purdue put themselves in position to win the game on that play. It is a 60 minute game. That is in the rule book. You want the officials to announce, "Purdue, I'm sorry that you are now in a position to win, but we told Arizona what play you would run and you didn't run that, so it was unfair to them, and we are going to replay the down from the original spot."?
A fake kneel-down is not unsporting IMO, but telling the officials that you are going to do so in an attempt to use the officials to deceive the other team certainly is. If it happens, I agree that it should be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. (Note that we don't know that Purdue actually told the officials anything in this particular case.)
Quote from: alfred russel on December 29, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Allegedly.
But even assuming they did, purdue put themselves in position to win the game on that play. It is a 60 minute game. That is in the rule book. You want the officials to announce, "Purdue, I'm sorry that you are now in a position to win, but we told Arizona what play you would run and you didn't run that, so it was unfair to them, and we are going to replay the down from the original spot."?
If they told them they were going to kneel (it's specific to this type of play, not any random play) and the officials then told Arizona not to play defense because they were taking a knee, then
absolutely yes. Well, not replay the down, because wat, but the ball is down where the QB took the snap and the clock is running.
I agree with Throbby. It's a quid pro quo. We'll kneel, so you don't tee off.
Although, does Marino's fake spike fall in the same category?
1-6 in bowl games Baby! :bleeding:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 29, 2017, 06:41:15 PM
If they told them they were going to kneel (it's specific to this type of play, not any random play) and the officials then told Arizona not to play defense because they were taking a knee, then absolutely yes. Well, not replay the down, because wat, but the ball is down where the QB took the snap and the clock is running.
Who are "they"?
MBM, you are re writing the rule book to fit the way you want things to be. it is a 60 minute game. Players are allowed to play between the whistles to try to win the game. There is no rule against running a trick play out of victory formation. There is nothing saying that if you tell the officials "x", then the qb is down where he takes the snap.
Where does this stop? Suppose events transpired like you suggest. The ref tells the Arizona defensive line to take it easy before the play. A Purdue offensive lineman hears that statement, and correspondingly takes it easy himself. However, a defensive lineman for Arizona ignores the ref's instructions, rushes the QB, who is slow to take a knee, forces a fumble, which is run in for a TD.
Should the ref also say, "the ball is down where the QB took the ball, because I told the defensive line not to play hard"?
Why even go through the mechanics of having a kneel down if by some bizarre interpretation of the rule book it is illegal for anyone to try once one team has someone on it say they are going to kneel down?
Is anyone surprised that Dorsey doesn't grasp the concept of sportsmanship?
Quote from: alfred russel on December 29, 2017, 07:22:41 PM
Who are "they"?
Purdue. The offense. The team taking a knee.
QuoteMBM, you are re writing the rule book to fit the way you want things to be. it is a 60 minute game. Players are allowed to play between the whistles to try to win the game. There is no rule against running a trick play out of victory formation. There is nothing saying that if you tell the officials "x", then the qb is down where he takes the snap.
This feels like a strange thing to argue about. If you want to run fakes out of the victory formation, do it at your own peril in the future. I don't think there should necessarily be a rule against it, although there is something to be said for player safety, because the only reason that works out of a formation like that is due to teams NOT going hard after the QB/ball carrier in that situation. If, however, you tell an official that you are taking a knee, who then tells the defense not to play that down, then it should be down where you kneel or where the QB takes the snap, regardless of what you do after that.
QuoteWhere does this stop? Suppose events transpired like you suggest. The ref tells the Arizona defensive line to take it easy before the play. A Purdue offensive lineman hears that statement, and correspondingly takes it easy himself. However, a defensive lineman for Arizona ignores the ref's instructions, rushes the QB, who is slow to take a knee, forces a fumble, which is run in for a TD.
Yeah, it's a horrific slippery slope with no end in sight. Stopping the play on the snap in a situation where the O told the officials they were kneeling might just be the end of football as we know it.
QuoteShould the ref also say, "the ball is down where the QB took the ball, because I told the defensive line not to play hard"?
Or just blow the play dead almost immediately, set the ball down behind the original LOS where it was snapped, and make sure the clock is running. You know, like what happens when a team takes a knee. This is not hard.
QuoteWhy even go through the mechanics of having a kneel down if by some bizarre interpretation of the rule book it is illegal for anyone to try once one team has someone on it say they are going to kneel down?
I mean, the easy solution here is to not tell the officials anything and run whatever play you want. Can't complain when opposing defenses are then going after your players every time you're actually wanting to take a knee though.
E: Northwestern just lost their minds. Hm he might have actually gotten that, but I doubt they can overturn it. Crazy decision regardless. Just punt it.
Wow Northwestern is now burning their timeouts on the two point conversion. They had three with 37 seconds left. Not a lot of time, but the timeouts help a lot. Now they have one.
E: But hey it works out with NW playing coverage and knocking it down. Northwestern gonna win the Wildcat Bowl and hit 10 wins this year. Hey, related to recent conversation: NW just took a knee. Kentucky didn't wreck their shit.
Rose Bowl excuse me bizarro Cotton Bowl, Ohio State vs USC, is up next.
LOL at the coin toss. It didn't flip at all.
Quote from: dps on December 29, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
Is anyone surprised that Dorsey doesn't grasp the concept of sportsmanship?
Haha.
I don't for instance think it is sportsmanlike for a kicker or punter to pretend to get roughed to try to trick the official into throwing a flag. However, that sort of thing happens all the time. I wish it did get flagged as unsportsmanlike, but it doesn't, and for that reason I would disagree with a penalty being suddenly called for flopping in the middle of the game.
There is precedent for this sort of play in football, and it hasn't been penalized as unsportsmanlike. I've also never seen a penalty for telling officials you will run one play but run another (if that even happened).
If you think kneel downs are unnecessary/should just be a formality, I'd be fine with amending the rule book to that effect, but not an officiating crew deciding that in the middle of a game.
So Purdue recovers the ball just outside fg range(inside with a good kicker) and time to run two plays with a tie score? Then opts to take the knee? Sounds like Arizona deserved to be fooled if they bought that.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 29, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
So Purdue recovers the ball just outside fg range(inside with a good kicker) and time to run two plays with a tie score? Then opts to take the knee? Sounds like Arizona deserved to be fooled if they bought that.
Their kicker must be an absolute monster. They were on their own 32. ;)
E: USC is turning the ball over a lot.
Ah, I misread that. :sleep:
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 29, 2017, 09:53:16 PM
Ah, I misread that. :sleep:
I pictured a Janikowski looking kicker with another Janikowski for a leg.
I think that it is clear that the Purdue offense told the refs they were taking a knee, because the ref told the defense that (and he wouldn't have known that's what they were doing in time to tell the defense unless he'd been told). That's clearly an illegal use of the referee, not normal "trickery."
The performance of PAC-12 so far doesn't bode well for Fiesta bowl tomorrow
Its such a bizarre objection.
If you want to run a trick play out of the victory formation, go right ahead.
Just don't tell the official you are going to take a knee. There is no reason to tell them that, EXCEPT because you want them to tell the defense not to fire off. That is the only reason.
How anyone can argue that asking the officials to tell the defense to take the play off because you aren't going to run a actual play is part of football is rather beyond me.
This is a particular, and very special case. There is no slippery slope, or any other situation this applies to at all.
I would really like to know what actually happened. I think it is possible that the officials did NOT tell Arizona anything, and Arizona just assumed, and then claimed they were told. That is one explanation.
The other is that the officials did say something, but were caught off guard by the bullshit, shitty douchebag move and simply didn't respond fast enough, and then didn't feel like they could actually undo the play once it happened. That's the problem with too clever by far coaches taking advantage of a corner case like this, it isn't something people expect. They think this makes them clever, but what it really does is either force the NCAA to come up with yet more fucking rules to cover for the .01% of the time some douchebag wants to think he is smarter than everyone else, or just stop the courtesy of letting the players not kill each other on meaningless plays.
Is there actually any evidence that someone from Purdue told the official it would be a kneel down besides an obviously butt hurt Arizona fan?
Here is a write up of what happened and Arizona's objections that makes no mention of Purdue telling the officials anything.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaaf/ua/2017/12/28/purdue-trick-play-fake-kneel-down-arizona-wildcats/987216001/
Rich Rod's story seems to be:
1. Purdue lined up in the victory formation,
2. An official told Arizona defenders not to rush because Purdue was about to kneel down,
3. Purdue got a big gain on the play because Arizona was following the official instructions,
4. As an official error, there should have been no play.
Which brings up an important point: IT IS A 60 MINUTE GAME! OFFICIALS HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING PLAYERS NOT TO PLAY HARD BEFORE A PLAY!
In a practical sense, there is no way the officials would do what Rich Rod wanted. I can't imagine an official nullifying a major play by saying, "we made a mistake before the play and told the arizona players not to play hard."
In other news from that game (and others), it turns out Purdue's QB is a bit of a bad ass. He played the last 3.5 games of the season with a torn ACL and just had surgery to fix it.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21900760/purdue-boilermakers-elijah-sindelar-played-games-torn-acl
Quote from: alfred russel on December 30, 2017, 09:04:36 AM
Is there actually any evidence that someone from Purdue told the official it would be a kneel down besides an obviously butt hurt Arizona fan?
Here is a write up of what happened and Arizona's objections that makes no mention of Purdue telling the officials anything.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaaf/ua/2017/12/28/purdue-trick-play-fake-kneel-down-arizona-wildcats/987216001/
Rich Rod's story seems to be:
1. Purdue lined up in the victory formation,
2. An official told Arizona defenders not to rush because Purdue was about to kneel down,
3. Purdue got a big gain on the play because Arizona was following the official instructions,
4. As an official error, there should have been no play.
Which brings up an important point: IT IS A 60 MINUTE GAME! OFFICIALS HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING PLAYERS NOT TO PLAY HARD BEFORE A PLAY!
In a practical sense, there is no way the officials would do what Rich Rod wanted. I can't imagine an official nullifying a major play by saying, "we made a mistake before the play and told the arizona players not to play hard."
How would the official know they were going to kneel other than someone from Purdue telling them?
They couldn't wait until they lined up to know that and tell Arizona - when they are lined up and in formation, the officials are as well, and there isn't any way to communicate at that point other than what? Yelling across the line at the Arizona players? That doesn't make sense, that isn't how this kind of thing works.
You know, I know you are just being your normal, trolling, asshole self...but I've done this before. I know how this works. I've actually officiated about a hundred college football games, most of them as a referee. I am not talking out of my ass. I've been involved in "taking a knee" plays probably a hundred times.
If I had to bet money on what I think ACTUALLY happened is that nobody from Purdue told the officials anything, and the officials didn't tell the Arizona players anything.
The Arizona defense just assumed, and then used the excuse later that they were told to hold up. I find it incredibly unlikely the officials would tell them that unless Purdue told them they would take a knee.
Assuming that Purdue didn't say anything, and the officials didn't say anything, then it was officiated exactly right.
It's still a stupid, cheap, bush league play, but that is just opinion. If Purdue wants to put their players at risk in order to get an occasional big trick play off, that is their call.
The players have to know that the refs will eventually say whether or not they told the defense to hold off, so lying doesn't seem like a very wise choice. OTOH, it is hard to believe that the refs would permit themselves to be sued as dupes for the fake, so that seems unlikely as well.
In any event, it was a classless move that only endangers Brohm's players. He himself is physically safe. That's why he is willing to pull shit like this. Purdue (and its players) are expendable pawns in his plan to coach a big-time program. What will really be shitty is when some Purdue O-lineman gets a knee blown out on a kneel down a year after Brohm abandons the team for LSU.
Quote from: Berkut on December 31, 2017, 01:20:53 PM
How would the official know they were going to kneel other than someone from Purdue telling them?
They couldn't wait until they lined up to know that and tell Arizona - when they are lined up and in formation, the officials are as well, and there isn't any way to communicate at that point other than what? Yelling across the line at the Arizona players? That doesn't make sense, that isn't how this kind of thing works.
It is impossible for the umpire or other official to see the formation and yell, "no rush"? You really believe that no official ever says anything pre snap when the teams are at the line?
QuoteYou know, I know you are just being your normal, trolling, asshole self...but I've done this before. I know how this works. I've actually officiated about a hundred college football games, most of them as a referee. I am not talking out of my ass. I've been involved in "taking a knee" plays probably a hundred times.
When you make it to the FBS level, let me know.
Quote from: Berkut on December 31, 2017, 01:24:09 PM
It's still a stupid, cheap, bush league play, but that is just opinion. If Purdue wants to put their players at risk in order to get an occasional big trick play off, that is their call.
Suppose they lined up and ran a normal play....their guys would still be at risk...it is the nature of football that players are at risk. Purdue won the game, and the play in question appears to be a major contributor to that. If football is worth it, then that play was worth it.
Hell, the game may have gone to overtime without that play...all those extra plays may have been avoided through this one. Who knows how many injuries would have happened in overtime.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 31, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
It is impossible for the umpire or other official to see the formation and yell, "no rush"? You really believe that no official ever says anything pre snap when the teams are at the line?
What? When have you ever heard a referee or any other official (though it would have to be the referee, I think) yell "no rush" when two teams are lined up? Or anything else, for that matter? I think you are making this up as you go along.
QuoteWhen you make it to the FBS level, let me know.
When you qualify to referee football at any level, let us know. Until then, this all seems anally extracted.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 31, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
Suppose they lined up and ran a normal play....their guys would still be at risk...it is the nature of football that players are at risk. Purdue won the game, and the play in question appears to be a major contributor to that. If football is worth it, then that play was worth it.
The play was designed to take advantage of the other team not engaging in an all-out rush because the Purdue team was simulating a kneel. That's the norm in college football. The other teams will not allow Purdue to engage in a kneel down in the future, because they know Purdue is classless enough to subvert the convention in order to gain some yards. Fuck, they even played a quarterback with a torn ACL (which no reputable program would do).
QuoteHell, the game may have gone to overtime without that play...all those extra plays may have been avoided through this one. Who knows how many injuries would have happened in overtime.
That's an argument against playing football, not against subverting a convention designed to avoid unnecessary injuries.
Quote from: grumbler on December 31, 2017, 08:02:57 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 31, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
Hell, the game may have gone to overtime without that play...all those extra plays may have been avoided through this one. Who knows how many injuries would have happened in overtime.
That's an argument against playing football, not against subverting a convention designed to avoid unnecessary injuries.
Personally, I'd do away with OT in non-playoff games at both the college and pro levels. I'm fine with a game ending in a tie if neither team can win after 60 minutes.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 31, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 31, 2017, 01:20:53 PM
How would the official know they were going to kneel other than someone from Purdue telling them?
They couldn't wait until they lined up to know that and tell Arizona - when they are lined up and in formation, the officials are as well, and there isn't any way to communicate at that point other than what? Yelling across the line at the Arizona players? That doesn't make sense, that isn't how this kind of thing works.
It is impossible for the umpire or other official to see the formation and yell, "no rush"?
Impossible? Is that the standard you apply to believe that something happens?
No, it is not impossible. But they would never, ever, ever do that. Because...why would they do that?
The officials do not ever yell things when the ball is ready to be snapped. That is not the time to be communicating in any way other than blowing your whistle to kill the play.
This is just...stupid. Have you ever seen an official scream something out right before the snap? Do I have to actually explain why they would not do that?
Quote
You really believe that no official ever says anything pre snap when the teams are at the line?
Not to the teams, no. They do not.
We have some ways to communicate with each other pre-snap, but it is all signals, since having non-players yelling things pre-snap would be rather bad.
Quote
QuoteYou know, I know you are just being your normal, trolling, asshole self...but I've done this before. I know how this works. I've actually officiated about a hundred college football games, most of them as a referee. I am not talking out of my ass. I've been involved in "taking a knee" plays probably a hundred times.
When you make it to the FBS level, let me know.
Why? It is clear you know nothing about how football is officiated, and don't care to learn.
My wife (MSU undergrad, as you all know) and sister-in-law (Purdue undergrad, MSU grad) were deciding who to root for in today's Michigan-South Carolina game. Their solution: they hope Michigan wins and Harbaugh gets ejected.
Best of luck, Wolverines. If they do win that would be a Big Ten sweep; something we don't usually see.
This has to be the worst bowl season for the Pac-12, ever?
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2018, 09:03:09 AM
This has to be the worst bowl season for the Pac-12, ever?
Not just the PAC-12 my friend. Worst of any Power 5. And the way most of the games weren't even competitive.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 01, 2018, 08:18:15 AM
My wife (MSU undergrad, as you all know) and sister-in-law (Purdue undergrad, MSU grad) were deciding who to root for in today's Michigan-South Carolina game. Their solution: they hope Michigan wins and Harbaugh gets ejected.
Well neither one happened; a thoroughly disappointing Outback Bowl in Casa di Savonarole. :(
UCF: goes unbeaten, wins its conference, beats Auburn, and sitting at home.
Alabama: Has a loss, lost its division, lost to Auburn, playing for the championship.
Might have a few more kinks to work out in this playoff business.
Serves UCF right for not being in a power conference.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 01, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 01, 2018, 08:18:15 AM
My wife (MSU undergrad, as you all know) and sister-in-law (Purdue undergrad, MSU grad) were deciding who to root for in today's Michigan-South Carolina game. Their solution: they hope Michigan wins and Harbaugh gets ejected.
Well neither one happened; a thoroughly disappointing Outback Bowl in Casa di Savonarole. :(
That was an awful game. It was only close because the teams took turns sucking. Neither one deserved to win. That's the first game where I seriously questioned Harbaugh's ability to coach. Michigan needs a new OC. Playcalling was awful.
Rose Bowl. What an exhausting game.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 01, 2018, 09:40:06 PM
Rose Bowl. What an exhausting game.
Putting up with the antics of Baker Mayfield always is.
Glad Georgia made him cry.
Quote from: Valmy on January 01, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
UCF: goes unbeaten, wins its conference, beats Auburn, and sitting at home.
Alabama: Has a loss, lost its division, lost to Auburn, playing for the championship.
Might have a few more kinks to work out in this playoff business.
The committee likes strength of schedule and marketability more than a perfect season.
Quote from: grumbler on December 31, 2017, 08:02:57 PM
Fuck, they even played a quarterback with a torn ACL (which no reputable program would do).
Purdue did, and they are a reputable program. The doctors said no further injury would result. Good for them letting the QB play.
Quote
That's an argument against playing football, not against subverting a convention designed to avoid unnecessary injuries.
Football is unnecessary. All injuries sustained playing football are unnecessary.
If you can gain advantage on a play to possibly win the game, why not do it? If injury risk is cool in every formation other than the victory formation, why not accept injury risk in the victory formation too if you can occasionally gain a decisive advantage out of it?
Quote from: Berkut on December 31, 2017, 10:20:59 PM
Why? It is clear you know nothing about how football is officiated, and don't care to learn.
You start this with a hypothetical scenario that the officials told Arizona not to rush, then you say you doubt that happened, then you bitch at me because I theorize about the only viable way to communicate that information.
Other than shouting presnap, how do you expect them to communicate it to Arizona? Personally pay a visit to each Arizona player and tell them not to rush? Tell it to one guy and hope he somehow spreads the word?
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2018, 05:31:49 PM
That was an awful game. It was only close because the teams took turns sucking. Neither one deserved to win. That's the first game where I seriously questioned Harbaugh's ability to coach. Michigan needs a new OC. Playcalling was awful.
For years I've been telling you that:
a) James Franklin is an awesome coach, and is going to do good at Penn State, and
b) Jim Harbaugh hasn't really shown himself to be a great college coach, and is overrated.
Glad to see you are coming around.
Quote from: Valmy on January 01, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
UCF: goes unbeaten, wins its conference, beats Auburn, and sitting at home.
Alabama: Has a loss, lost its division, lost to Auburn, playing for the championship.
Might have a few more kinks to work out in this playoff business.
Yeah, I'd rather see UCF next week( or realistically Clemson) too.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 02, 2018, 07:27:49 AM
Yeah, I'd rather see UCF next week( or realistically Clemson) too.
I bet you would :P
I hope Georgia wins for what its worth. (not much)
Is Clemson's coach always so volatile in going after his players on the sideline or was he just having a bad day?
He's a grade A asshole.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 01, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 31, 2017, 10:20:59 PM
Why? It is clear you know nothing about how football is officiated, and don't care to learn.
You start this with a hypothetical scenario that the officials told Arizona not to rush
No, this conversation started with him posting that Arizona is claiming that the ref told them not to rush. That's not a hypothetical, it's a fact that Arizona is claiming that.
Since then, Berkut has been telling us how the ref would communicate to Arizona that Perdue had told the officials that they were taking a knee, it you would bother to pay attention. There has been speculation as to whether or not Perdue actually told the officials that they were taking a knee or not, which does enter into discussion of hypotheticals, but that's not where Berkut started.
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2018, 07:04:22 PM
No, this conversation started with him posting that Arizona is claiming that the ref told them not to rush. That's not a hypothetical, it's a fact that Arizona is claiming that.
Sorry dude, it was a straight up hypothetical.
Here is the section of Berkut's initial post on the topic. Notice all the uses of "if" before he offers what he would do "if" in such a situation. He created a hypothetical reality based on an assumption that the Arizona player was telling the truth, put himself in a hypothetical situation where he was an official responding to that reality, then told us what he would do.
QuoteSO with a minute left in the Purdue-Arizona bowl game, Arizona fumbled the ball. Purdue recovered at their 32.
They snapped the ball with 56 seconds left, lined up in the "victory" formation. They faked the kneel to run out the clock, and handed the ball off while the Arizona players did not fire off, and gained 30 yards. They then kicked a field goal...which ended up being the difference in the game.
So RichRod and Arizona players claim that the officials told them that Purdue was taking a knee, and hence they should not fire off.
Now, as an official, if a team *tells me* they are taking a knee, I tell the defense they are taking a knee. I then tell the QB "Take the snap, and go directly to your knee". If he does ANYTHING else, I am blowing the play dead and assessing either a false start if I feel nice, or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike if I don't.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2018, 07:04:22 PM
No, this conversation started with him posting that Arizona is claiming that the ref told them not to rush. That's not a hypothetical, it's a fact that Arizona is claiming that.
Sorry dude, it was a straight up hypothetical.
Here is the section of Berkut's initial post on the topic. Notice all the uses of "if" before he offers what he would do "if" in such a situation. He created a hypothetical reality based on an assumption that the Arizona player was telling the truth, put himself in a hypothetical situation where he was an official responding to that reality, then told us what he would do.
QuoteSO with a minute left in the Purdue-Arizona bowl game, Arizona fumbled the ball. Purdue recovered at their 32.
They snapped the ball with 56 seconds left, lined up in the "victory" formation. They faked the kneel to run out the clock, and handed the ball off while the Arizona players did not fire off, and gained 30 yards. They then kicked a field goal...which ended up being the difference in the game.
So RichRod and Arizona players claim that the officials told them that Purdue was taking a knee, and hence they should not fire off.
Now, as an official, if a team *tells me* they are taking a knee, I tell the defense they are taking a knee. I then tell the QB "Take the snap, and go directly to your knee". If he does ANYTHING else, I am blowing the play dead and assessing either a false start if I feel nice, or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike if I don't.
There are 3 PARAGRAPHS before the "if", so it's not the start of the conversation. And the section with the "if" does not set up a hypothetical situation in which the officials tell Arizona
anything--it explains what an official does if the offense tells him that they are taking knee, without addressing whether or not Perdue told the officials that or not. Again, if you'd bother to pay attention, he's telling you how officials handle the situation when it arises.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 07:18:10 PM
Sorry dude, it was a straight up hypothetical.
Here is the section of Berkut's initial post on the topic. Notice all the uses of "if" before he offers what he would do "if" in such a situation. He created a hypothetical reality based on an assumption that the Arizona player was telling the truth, put himself in a hypothetical situation where he was an official responding to that reality, then told us what he would do.
QuoteSO with a minute left in the Purdue-Arizona bowl game, Arizona fumbled the ball. Purdue recovered at their 32.
They snapped the ball with 56 seconds left, lined up in the "victory" formation. They faked the kneel to run out the clock, and handed the ball off while the Arizona players did not fire off, and gained 30 yards. They then kicked a field goal...which ended up being the difference in the game.
So RichRod and Arizona players claim that the officials told them that Purdue was taking a knee, and hence they should not fire off.
Now, as an official, if a team *tells me* they are taking a knee, I tell the defense they are taking a knee. I then tell the QB "Take the snap, and go directly to your knee". If he does ANYTHING else, I am blowing the play dead and assessing either a false start if I feel nice, or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike if I don't.
That was the hypothetical that Berkut was refereeing the game. Surely not even you believe that he was actually doing so!
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2018, 08:34:23 PM
There are 3 PARAGRAPHS before the "if", so it's not the start of the conversation. And the section with the "if" does not set up a hypothetical situation in which the officials tell Arizona anything--it explains what an official does if the offense tells him that they are taking knee, without addressing whether or not Perdue told the officials that or not.
My objection, which started this whole stupid sub topic, was to Berkut saying that in the hypothetical situation that he laid out -conditioned by those "ifs" - that he would a) tell the defense, b) tell the QB what to do, c) blow the play dead, d) assess a penalty. I objected to that, as in the hypothetical situation he laid out, he would be acting beyond the scope of the rule book.
QuoteAgain, if you'd bother to pay attention, he's telling you how officials handle the situation when it arises.
??? He was holding out the potential that the scenario described by the Arizona player is what actually happened during the game. It is definitely NOT how officials handle the situation when it (theoretically) arose, as the officials let Purdue run the play and did not assess them a penalty.
I'm really confused as the mechanism that he would use to communicate to both the defense not to rush and the QB to take a knee.
-He has made clear I'm completely ignorant to how officiating works by theorizing they would yell "no rush" before the snap. Officials can't be yelling things pre snap--for many reasons that isn't proper.
-I guess he would go up to each player on defense and then the QB offense pre snap and communicate individually? That seems far fetched, but since he isn't going to be yelling, not sure how else to do this...
-He could tell the defense team captain pre snap, and make him responsible for telling everyone? LOL.
Adios Rich Rod it seems.
Quote from: Valmy on January 01, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
UCF: goes unbeaten, wins its conference, beats Auburn, and sitting at home.
Alabama: Has a loss, lost its division, lost to Auburn, playing for the championship.
Might have a few more kinks to work out in this playoff business.
They wouldn't have even made the playoff if it was expanded to 8 teams. That's a little nuts.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
They wouldn't have even made the playoff if it was expanded to 8 teams. That's a little nuts.
If they do go to 8, instead of 6, I hope they make it so the best G5 gets an automatic bid every year. On most years that will just give the #1 seed an easy first round game.
A three game playoff seriously undermines the illusion players have classes to go to.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 03, 2018, 12:12:33 AM
A three game playoff seriously undermines the illusion players have classes to go to.
Hey! This would all be during the semester break!
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2018, 08:34:23 PM
There are 3 PARAGRAPHS before the "if", so it's not the start of the conversation. And the section with the "if" does not set up a hypothetical situation in which the officials tell Arizona anything--it explains what an official does if the offense tells him that they are taking knee, without addressing whether or not Perdue told the officials that or not.
My objection, which started this whole stupid sub topic, was to Berkut saying that in the hypothetical situation that he laid out -conditioned by those "ifs" - that he would a) tell the defense, b) tell the QB what to do, c) blow the play dead, d) assess a penalty. I objected to that, as in the hypothetical situation he laid out, he would be acting beyond the scope of the rule book.
QuoteAgain, if you'd bother to pay attention, he's telling you how officials handle the situation when it arises.
??? He was holding out the potential that the scenario described by the Arizona player is what actually happened during the game. It is definitely NOT how officials handle the situation when it (theoretically) arose, as the officials let Purdue run the play and did not assess them a penalty.
I'm really confused as the mechanism that he would use to communicate to both the defense not to rush and the QB to take a knee.
-He has made clear I'm completely ignorant to how officiating works by theorizing they would yell "no rush" before the snap. Officials can't be yelling things pre snap--for many reasons that isn't proper.
-I guess he would go up to each player on defense and then the QB offense pre snap and communicate individually? That seems far fetched, but since he isn't going to be yelling, not sure how else to do this...
-He could tell the defense team captain pre snap, and make him responsible for telling everyone? LOL.
My god, is this really that hard?
This is how this works:
1. After the previous play, often even before they have spotted the ball, the HC tells me (if I am on his sideline) or my wing official (if I am not) or his QB (if neither of us are close to him) that they are going to take a knee. If I am close, he will just tell me, if I am far away, he might get my intention and point at his knee, or mime going down on a knee.
1A. If it is the QB, they trot over to me and say "Hey Ref, we are taking a knee".
Time elapsed: less than 5-10 seconds.
The offense knows they are taking a knee, and hence its not like they are in a hurry to get lined up.
2. I will walk up to the LOS, where my umpire is probably spotting the ball for the next play, or it might even already be spotted. The QB is communicating the play with his offense, either in the huddle or if they do not huddle, just in a group.
3. As the offense is strolling to the ball, I tell the DL and LBs, who are all standing right there, something like "They are taking a knee. Protect yourself, but don't do anything stupid." I then turn to the offense as they come up and say "QB, take the snap and go directly to your knee".
This is the deal if you want to announce a kneel. We will make sure nobody gets hurt, you give up the right to advance the ball. If you want to run a fake out of this, go right ahead, just don't say anything to me at all.
There are some situations where I would not be willing to do this - a close game where the defense might want the chance to force a fumble, for example. Then you can take a knee, and we will penalize any cheap shot on the QB once he goes down, but the defense will get to hard rush in the vain hope of the QB muffing the snap or something.
Anyway, at this point there is probably still 20 seconds on the play clock, and the offense isn't even lined up. Me and the U go to our spots (MUCH close to the LOS than normal), and we wait for the play clock to run down and the offense to snap the ball.
There isn't any yelling at anyone. We communicate to the players all the time, in a wide variety of situations. This isn't complicated.
Quote from: katmai on January 02, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
Adios Rich Rod it seems.
WTF?
He is being fired as a result of claims of some kind of sexual harrassment made by an assistant. The university investigated the claims, and said they were groundless and unsubstantiated.
So why are they now firing him for it?
Gotta be more to this story....
http://tucson.com/news/local/rich-rodriguez-fired-after-m-notice-of-claim-coach-admits/article_696508d1-d10e-5eff-b873-0993ae0393d5.html (http://tucson.com/news/local/rich-rodriguez-fired-after-m-notice-of-claim-coach-admits/article_696508d1-d10e-5eff-b873-0993ae0393d5.html)
OK, so it would appear that Rich Rod had an affair. And he wanted his assistant to cover it up, which apparently she did.
So the UofA is basically saying there is no basis to the assistants claim (and her recently filed duit demanding $7.5 million) of a hostile workplace, but they fired him for not being nice, and losing 5 out of 6 games. They will be honoring his payout ($6 million) since they acknowledge there is no cause.
OK, I guess that kinda makes sense?
I like that his assistant is claiming she should get seven and half million dollars for such egregious things as
"she "had to walk on eggshells at work, because of (Rodriguez's) volatility and sheer power over the department." Rodriguez would call her at all hours of the night, she said in the claim, to change travel plans or to deal with Rodriguez's personal emergencies. In the claim, the former employee said she became increasingly troubled by Rodriguez's actions over the past year. She suffered migraines as a result, the claim states."
WTF? She is his administrative assistant. I don't know how having a dick for a boss is harassment. I sure hope Arizona doesn't settle, unless there is a hell of a lot more to this claim than bullshit like that.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
My objection, which started this whole stupid sub topic, was to Berkut saying that in the hypothetical situation that he laid out -conditioned by those "ifs" - that he would a) tell the defense, b) tell the QB what to do, c) blow the play dead, d) assess a penalty. I objected to that, as in the hypothetical situation he laid out, he would be acting beyond the scope of the rule book.
I have never played football, but in basketball the bad refs are the ones who do not communicate with the players on the court. There is no rule in the rule book which states the circumstances in which a ref will talk to the players. But the good ones talk to the players throughout the game. Berkut's hypothetical sounds exactly like the type of communication a player would want to have from the ref.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2018, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
My objection, which started this whole stupid sub topic, was to Berkut saying that in the hypothetical situation that he laid out -conditioned by those "ifs" - that he would a) tell the defense, b) tell the QB what to do, c) blow the play dead, d) assess a penalty. I objected to that, as in the hypothetical situation he laid out, he would be acting beyond the scope of the rule book.
I have never played football, but in basketball the bad refs are the ones who do not communicate with the players on the court. There is no rule in the rule book which states the circumstances in which a ref will talk to the players. But the good ones talk to the players throughout the game. Berkut's hypothetical sounds exactly like the type of communication a player would want to have from the ref.
Note that a, b, c, and d all follow pretty much inevitably from the offense telling us they are taking a knee.
The only point he has is that perhaps that should never happen. It's not a bad point, and we've had that exact discussion amongst ourselves and with our assignor. It is the officials interjecting themselves into a play in a manner they certainly never would under any other circumstances.
But it's not OUR choice - that is what the coaches want, not what we want. If they don't want that, they simply don't tell us, in which case the play just runs like any other play.
This isn't in any way about what the officials want to do, it is what we are instructed to do in this circumstance. If the coach doesn't want it called that way, they simply don't tell us.
What they cannot do however, is ask that this exception be made for the safety of the players and the good of the game, and THEN use that to "fool" the defense.
LOLZOR.
Brohm is being talked about as a potential replacement at Arizona....
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2018, 11:14:31 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2018, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
My objection, which started this whole stupid sub topic, was to Berkut saying that in the hypothetical situation that he laid out -conditioned by those "ifs" - that he would a) tell the defense, b) tell the QB what to do, c) blow the play dead, d) assess a penalty. I objected to that, as in the hypothetical situation he laid out, he would be acting beyond the scope of the rule book.
I have never played football, but in basketball the bad refs are the ones who do not communicate with the players on the court. There is no rule in the rule book which states the circumstances in which a ref will talk to the players. But the good ones talk to the players throughout the game. Berkut's hypothetical sounds exactly like the type of communication a player would want to have from the ref.
Note that a, b, c, and d all follow pretty much inevitably from the offense telling us they are taking a knee.
The only point he has is that perhaps that should never happen. It's not a bad point, and we've had that exact discussion amongst ourselves and with our assignor. It is the officials interjecting themselves into a play in a manner they certainly never would under any other circumstances.
But it's not OUR choice - that is what the coaches want, not what we want. If they don't want that, they simply don't tell us, in which case the play just runs like any other play.
This isn't in any way about what the officials want to do, it is what we are instructed to do in this circumstance. If the coach doesn't want it called that way, they simply don't tell us.
What they cannot do however, is ask that this exception be made for the safety of the players and the good of the game, and THEN use that to "fool" the defense.
Putting aside the completely absurd side discussion whether something can be communicated by yelling or not, I don't think b, c, and d logically follow from a.
The rule book doesn't state that the play should be dead and there should be a false start or any other penalty in such an instance. The rule book describes when the ball is dead and when penalties should be enforced, and those aren't the situations.
You - as a referee - are essentially eliminating the kneel down from the game. Whether the coaches want that is not the point. you aren't supposed to just do what the coaches want. The rule makers have not removed it.
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2018, 10:46:43 AM
There are some situations where I would not be willing to do this - a close game where the defense might want the chance to force a fumble, for example. Then you can take a knee, and we will penalize any cheap shot on the QB once he goes down, but the defense will get to hard rush in the vain hope of the QB muffing the snap or something.
Wait, so you wouldn't even be willing to do this? It was the first half of a two score game...
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2018, 12:30:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2018, 11:14:31 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2018, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
My objection, which started this whole stupid sub topic, was to Berkut saying that in the hypothetical situation that he laid out -conditioned by those "ifs" - that he would a) tell the defense, b) tell the QB what to do, c) blow the play dead, d) assess a penalty. I objected to that, as in the hypothetical situation he laid out, he would be acting beyond the scope of the rule book.
I have never played football, but in basketball the bad refs are the ones who do not communicate with the players on the court. There is no rule in the rule book which states the circumstances in which a ref will talk to the players. But the good ones talk to the players throughout the game. Berkut's hypothetical sounds exactly like the type of communication a player would want to have from the ref.
Note that a, b, c, and d all follow pretty much inevitably from the offense telling us they are taking a knee.
The only point he has is that perhaps that should never happen. It's not a bad point, and we've had that exact discussion amongst ourselves and with our assignor. It is the officials interjecting themselves into a play in a manner they certainly never would under any other circumstances.
But it's not OUR choice - that is what the coaches want, not what we want. If they don't want that, they simply don't tell us, in which case the play just runs like any other play.
This isn't in any way about what the officials want to do, it is what we are instructed to do in this circumstance. If the coach doesn't want it called that way, they simply don't tell us.
What they cannot do however, is ask that this exception be made for the safety of the players and the good of the game, and THEN use that to "fool" the defense.
Putting aside the completely absurd side discussion whether something can be communicated by yelling or not, I don't think b, c, and d logically follow from a.
There isn't any point to any of it if b+ doesn't follow from a, or if a doesn't follow from being told the offense wants to take a knee. Which is the only point of disagreement.
As far as the rules are concerned, this is trivilially covered in the rule that allows the referee to take any action they deem necessary to correct an obviously unfair act.
And asking the officials to tell the defense not to rush so you can run a "trick" play using a specific exception to the normal procedures designed to ensure player safety qualifies.
How any of this could "take the kneel out of the game" is rather beyond me since this is how its been officiatied for years, and yet, the kneel is still in the game.
You know what isn't in the game, until this singularly stupid example? Telling the officials you are going to take a knee, then running a play.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2018, 12:30:42 PM
You - as a referee - are essentially eliminating the kneel down from the game. Whether the coaches want that is not the point. you aren't supposed to just do what the coaches want. The rule makers have not removed it.
What "rule makers" made a kneel-down rule and have not removed it? Where can I find this rule?
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2018, 10:46:43 AM
There are some situations where I would not be willing to do this - a close game where the defense might want the chance to force a fumble, for example. Then you can take a knee, and we will penalize any cheap shot on the QB once he goes down, but the defense will get to hard rush in the vain hope of the QB muffing the snap or something.
Wait, so you wouldn't even be willing to do this? It was the first half of a two score game...
If the defense indicated they were not interested in the play off, then of course I would tell the offense that the rush is live, and to play accordingly.
In this case, it was clear Arizona was content to end the half.
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2018, 11:14:31 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2018, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
My objection, which started this whole stupid sub topic, was to Berkut saying that in the hypothetical situation that he laid out -conditioned by those "ifs" - that he would a) tell the defense, b) tell the QB what to do, c) blow the play dead, d) assess a penalty. I objected to that, as in the hypothetical situation he laid out, he would be acting beyond the scope of the rule book.
I have never played football, but in basketball the bad refs are the ones who do not communicate with the players on the court. There is no rule in the rule book which states the circumstances in which a ref will talk to the players. But the good ones talk to the players throughout the game. Berkut's hypothetical sounds exactly like the type of communication a player would want to have from the ref.
Note that a, b, c, and d all follow pretty much inevitably from the offense telling us they are taking a knee.
The only point he has is that perhaps that should never happen. It's not a bad point, and we've had that exact discussion amongst ourselves and with our assignor. It is the officials interjecting themselves into a play in a manner they certainly never would under any other circumstances.
But it's not OUR choice - that is what the coaches want, not what we want. If they don't want that, they simply don't tell us, in which case the play just runs like any other play.
This isn't in any way about what the officials want to do, it is what we are instructed to do in this circumstance. If the coach doesn't want it called that way, they simply don't tell us.
What they cannot do however, is ask that this exception be made for the safety of the players and the good of the game, and THEN use that to "fool" the defense.
Its not unlike a basketball coach telling a ref near the end of the game that they are going to foul. The ref is then likely going to call weak contact to protect the offensive player rather than force the defender to commit a more forceful foul. But I guess the big difference is there is no way for the defensive team to exploit that trade off by not doing what they told the ref they are going to do and much to lose if a more forceful foul is still committed.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2018, 01:44:16 PM
Its not unlike a basketball coach telling a ref near the end of the game that they are going to foul. The ref is then likely going to call weak contact to protect the offensive player rather than force the defender to commit a more forceful foul. But I guess the big difference is there is no way for the defensive team to exploit that trade off by not doing what they told the ref they are going to do and much to lose if a more forceful foul is still committed.
I don't know a ton about basketball: why would a team intentionally foul?
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2018, 01:44:16 PM
Its not unlike a basketball coach telling a ref near the end of the game that they are going to foul. The ref is then likely going to call weak contact to protect the offensive player rather than force the defender to commit a more forceful foul. But I guess the big difference is there is no way for the defensive team to exploit that trade off by not doing what they told the ref they are going to do and much to lose if a more forceful foul is still committed.
I don't know a ton about basketball: why would a team intentionally foul?
You are out of your element Beeb, ffs.
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
I don't know a ton about basketball: why would a team intentionally foul?
Really?
Ok then: to stop the clock and get the ball back. This happens almost every single game BB :lol:
Jesus, Valmy needs to stick to football too.
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
I don't know a ton about basketball: why would a team intentionally foul?
When a team is down and the clock is tight.
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2018, 01:59:25 PM
Jesus, Valmy needs to stick to football too.
Oh so people foul when they are behind late in the game in order to run the clock and give the ball back? Genius! Thanks Kat!
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2018, 01:59:25 PM
Jesus, Valmy needs to stick to football too.
Eh, he's essentially correct. It's done so the opposing team can't burn time off the clock. Or are you keying on the word "intentional"?
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 03, 2018, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2018, 01:59:25 PM
Jesus, Valmy needs to stick to football too.
Eh, he's essentially correct. It's done so the opposing team can't burn time off the clock. Or are you keying on the word "intentional"?
Yeah, I'm not understanding the "stick to football" stuff, either. Intentional fouls are a trade off between giving the opponent excellent scoring opportunities, and in return getting the chance to score yourself. At a certain point late in some games it becomes the only viable strategy.
Quote from: grumbler on January 03, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 03, 2018, 12:30:42 PM
You - as a referee - are essentially eliminating the kneel down from the game. Whether the coaches want that is not the point. you aren't supposed to just do what the coaches want. The rule makers have not removed it.
What "rule makers" made a kneel-down rule and have not removed it? Where can I find this rule?
They have not removed the play from the game, similar to the intentional walk rule in baseball.
http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/football/greg-hansen-with-richrod-gone-maybe-it-s-time-for/article_114e5aa6-9d64-507c-9949-3c075ef1ce10.html
Greg Hansen has been doing opinion pieces on Arizona sports for longer than I've been alive. He knows the people who know the people.
I tend to trust his facts pretty much on faith.
Sounds like RichRod was a pretty big douchebag in a lot of ways.
Huh. RichRod being a jerk wad. Shocking.
Suck it SEC: UCF Claims National Title (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21951014/ucf-knights-raise-national-championship-banner). :P :P :P
They created their own National Champion Banner and they're holding a National Champion Parade today at Disney World. At last we've found a university that represents all of Florida.
Boner: PUNKED!! :o
Schools can claim whatever they want. UCF was probably rated too low, but they likely weren't one of the top four teams in the country in any case. They just weren't in a position to play a tough enough schedule to show that they were elite.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 07, 2018, 08:35:15 PM
Wut
Sav's link. The talking head says (talking about Middle South Florida Tech's national championship) that "I'm not the guy saying get off my lawn."
This is fucking stupid...everything is shutting down...probably 25% of the office didn't come in, by 2 almost everyone was gone, and at 4 I am almost the last one here. I can't get food because the cafeteria shut down at 2 (usually food services stay open till 7).
If Georgia wins I'm never going to hear the end of it. So I guess,
Roll Tide Roll!
I'm eating pretzel pieces in the hot buffalo wing flavor out of a vending machine. I realize this is probably the most Alabama thing I can do without marrying a relative.
Doesn't the game start in about 4 hours?
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 08, 2018, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 08, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
Roll Tide Roll!
Fuck you and your Irish Hurricanes. :mad:
I am a misanthrope. I am sad because my teams suck, and I want everyone around me to be sad. Nick Saban will continue to be miserable because he gets no joy out of anything in life. His players will be miserable because they play for Nick Saban. Their fans won't even be that happy because they seem to be winning titles every other year anyway. Also, they can be trolled about not winning the SEC, or their division, and not even being the best team in their state (lost by two scores to Auburn).
Alabama winning will produce the least amount of joy in the world. Therefore: Alabama.
Also, one of my favorite facts to remind Georgia fans is that Georgia Tech has more national titles than Georgia, and also a more recent one. A UGA win tonight will ruin that.
I do gotta agree that it seems like no one has ever gotten less pleasure out of winning than Nick Saban. But I really don't care who wins tonight, anyway.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 08, 2018, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 08, 2018, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 08, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
Roll Tide Roll!
Fuck you and your Irish Hurricanes. :mad:
I am a misanthrope. I am sad because my teams suck, and I want everyone around me to be sad. Nick Saban will continue to be miserable because he gets no joy out of anything in life. His players will be miserable because they play for Nick Saban. Their fans won't even be that happy because they seem to be winning titles every other year anyway. Also, they can be trolled about not winning the SEC, or their division, and not even being the best team in their state (lost by two scores to Auburn).
Alabama winning will produce the least amount of joy in the world. Therefore: Alabama.
Also, one of my favorite facts to remind Georgia fans is that Georgia Tech has more national titles than Georgia, and also a more recent one. A UGA win tonight will ruin that.
I think I can agree with almost all of this...
Michigan goes head-to-head with Georgia for a lot of recruits, so I don't want Georgia to win. Recruiting against Alabama will be futile whether they win or not, so I am indifferent to them winning.
I guess that equals "Roll.... zzzzzzz"
My brother lives in Georgia so I guess I have to root for them.
WTF was Donald doing there with Marines? :wacko:
Fromm, the freshman QB for UGA, was committed to Alabama, but switched to UGA when Smart left Alabama to coach UGA. UGA fans are ecstatic about the guy. But when Fromm left Alabama, Alabama needed a new QB recruit. So they got Tagovailoa. Who just came off the bench to beat UGA and Fromm in the national title game.
Also, word is that before he left Alabama for UGA, Kirby Smart took a picture of Alabama's priority recruiting board. He then began showing it to recruits - "see, they say they really want you, but you are really just #15 on their list".
That may be why Saban said after the game that he has never been happier in his life (I guess the birth of his children etc aren't as important). Apparently someone asked Saban if beating Smart made the win more special, and Saban just winked at him.
Bama should not have even been there. This is twice they were given a chance to play for the title when they did not earn it.
Quote from: Valmy on January 09, 2018, 09:21:05 AM
Bama should not have even been there. This is twice they were given a chance to play for the title when they did not earn it.
I mean, the idea of a playoff selection process was to pick the 4 best teams. They were 11-1, with a road loss to a quality opponent. I didn't take a comprehensive survey, but I think most of the advanced analytics rankings had them as the best team in the country at the end of the year. They are loaded with talent--almost all the guys on their team have a potential NFL future.
If you aged them....
Need a 8 team playoffs so we can do away with the selection drama. The 5 power conference champions, Alabama (or the runner up if they won the SEC) & 2 wild cards. That way the UCF/Boise State of the year gets in.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
If you aged them....
You know berkut, you were the one that was laughing when I was talking about the Miami Hurricanes of 2000/2001 having NFL level talent and scoffing that I cited Andre Johnson as a top tier NFL talent. When I deleted all my old posts and threads, I made one exception - that thread - because I knew history would prove me right. And so it has, even if the thread got deleted.
Alabama is another team that has had NFL level talent the last few years.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 09, 2018, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
If you aged them....
You know berkut, you were the one that was laughing when I was talking about the Miami Hurricanes of 2000/2001 having NFL level talent and scoffing that I cited Andre Johnson as a top tier NFL talent. When I deleted all my old posts and threads, I made one exception - that thread - because I knew history would prove me right. And so it has, even if the thread got deleted.
Alabama is another team that has had NFL level talent the last few years.
NO, it did not prove you right, because it was never about whether Miami had a bunch of future NFL players on it.
Your claim was that Miami, at that time, could have competed in the NFL. That they could have taken their top 50 players, and played an NFL schedule, and been competitive.
Which was laughably stupid then, and is laughably stupid now.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
Your claim was that Miami, at that time, could have competed in the NFL.
That is bullshit. I didn't claim that. It is the whole reason that was talking about "aging" players. I said that because of practice time, and lack of development time, etc, that an NFL team would beat Miami, but that Miami had more talent than some of them. If you gave the Miami players time to develop - to age - they could beat NFL teams.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 09, 2018, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
Your claim was that Miami, at that time, could have competed in the NFL.
That is bullshit. I didn't claim that. It is the whole reason that was talking about "aging" players. I said that because of practice time, and lack of development time, etc, that an NFL team would beat Miami, but that Miami had more talent than some of them. If you gave the Miami players time to develop - to age - they could beat NFL teams.
No, you pulled out the "aging" bullshit only after we all laughed at your ridiculous claim for a while, so now "if you aged them..." is just our short cut for your entire, idiotic, and languish history making bout of stupid.
Your claim was that Miami was so good they could play in the NFL. It's still gets a chuckle out of me.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
No, you pulled out the "aging" bullshit only after we all laughed at your ridiculous claim for a while, so now "if you aged them..." is just our short cut for your entire, idiotic, and languish history making bout of stupid.
Your claim was that Miami was so good they could play in the NFL. It's still gets a chuckle out of me.
No I didn't. I claimed that their talent was good enough to do so.
This is precisely why I deleted all the thousands of posts I made except for that thread. While I generally trolled and made myself look like an idiot, in that one thread hindsight would vindicate me, as it has.
I suspect that out of all the people involved, there is exactly one, who thinks your claim that Miami could have played against NFL teams has been vindicated.
And that would be you.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 01:04:20 PM
I suspect that out of all the people involved, there is exactly one, who thinks your claim that Miami could have played against NFL teams has been vindicated.
And that would be you.
If you took the 2000 Miami Hurricanes, waited a few years until their average age was 24 or so, reconstituted them as an NFL team with NFL coaches, weight training, practices, etc, they would beat NFL teams.
I doubt I'm the only one that thinks this.
He may be a supervillain, but he's our supervillain:
QuoteGov. Rick Scott declares UCF national champions
TALLAHASSEE – Gov. Rick Scott, jumping on the crowded UCF bandwagon, issued a proclamation Monday declaring the Knights the true national champions of the 2017 NCAA football season.
"Florida is home to the country's best college football, and this season, UCF proved to the world that they can beat any team," Scott said in a released statement. "Charge On."
The proclamation has no legal bearing and doesn't have affect the official championship.
Alabama and Georgia are set to play each other Monday night in the official championship game, but that hasn't stopped UCF and its fans from claiming a national title.
UCF's perfect 13-0 season ended with a 34-27 victory over the Auburn Tigers in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day. Since Auburn was the only team to defeat both Alabama and Georgia during the season, UCF is the best team in the country, administrators and fans argue.
UCF athletic director ignited the conversation by declaring "national champions" within earshot of TV cameras after the Peach Bowl victory. UCF quarterback McKenzie Milton followed it up by telling interviewers, "I guess you can cancel the playoffs now."
Central Florida politicians have also started backing the claim. Local lawmakers said they'd support a resolution declaring the Knights champions.
Rep. Mike Miller, R-Orlando, also wrote to President Donald Trump suggesting he invite the Knights to the White House, as is customary for national title winners.
Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis also invited the team to the Florida Capitol to celebrate the season.
Read the text of the proclamation below:
WHEREAS, Florida is home to the country's best college football, having claimed 11 national championships between the University of Florida, the University of Miami and Florida State University; and
WHEREAS, the University of Central Florida (UCF) Knights won the American Athletic Conference Championship by beating the Memphis Tigers, 62-55, on December 2, 2017; and
WHEREAS, on January 1, 2018, the UCF Knights completed an undefeated football season by beating the Auburn Tigers in the Peach Bowl, 34-27; and
WHEREAS, the UCF Knights are the only undefeated team in NCAA Division I football this season; and
WHEREAS, on November 11, 2017, the Auburn Tigers, who lost to the UCF Knights, beat the Georgia Bulldogs, 40-17; and
WHEREAS, on November 25, 2017, the Auburn Tigers, who lost to the UCF Knights, beat the Alabama Crimson Tide, 26-14; and
WHEREAS, the College Football Playoff final on Monday, January 8, 2018, is between the Alabama Crimson Tide and the Georgia Bulldogs, who both lost to the Auburn Tigers, who lost to the UCF Knights;
NOW, THEREFORE, I, Rick Scott, Governor of the State of Florida, do hereby proclaim that the UCF Knights are this season's best college football team and will be recognized as the 2017 College Football National Champions in Florida.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capital, this 8th day of January, in the year two thousand eighteen.
Was Ken Dorsey the QB?
E: of 2000 Miami.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 09, 2018, 01:13:47 PM
Was Ken Dorsey the QB?
E: of 2000 Miami.
He was.
Like the rest of that Miami team, he went on to dominate the NFL.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 09, 2018, 01:13:47 PM
Was Ken Dorsey the QB?
E: of 2000 Miami.
He was.
Like the rest of that Miami team, he went on to dominate the NFL.
Unlike a Large number of players on that team, he did not dominate in the nfl, though he was an nfl qb and started some games.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 09, 2018, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 01:04:20 PM
I suspect that out of all the people involved, there is exactly one, who thinks your claim that Miami could have played against NFL teams has been vindicated.
And that would be you.
If you took the 2000 Miami Hurricanes, waited a few years until their average age was 24 or so, reconstituted them as an NFL team with NFL coaches, weight training, practices, etc, they would beat NFL teams.
I doubt I'm the only one that thinks this.
So you mean you take the 2000 Hurricanes team, in 2004, that using NFL schedule they could beat NFL Teams?
Could 24 year old Ken Dorsey of Miami beat 24 year old Ken Dorsey of San Francisco?
Because the 49ers were the worse team then.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 09, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
So you mean you take the 2000 Hurricanes team, in 2004, that using NFL schedule they could beat NFL Teams?
Could 24 year old Ken Dorsey of Miami beat 24 year old Ken Dorsey of San Francisco?
Because the 49ers were the worse team then.
Exactly.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 09, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 09, 2018, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 01:04:20 PM
I suspect that out of all the people involved, there is exactly one, who thinks your claim that Miami could have played against NFL teams has been vindicated.
And that would be you.
If you took the 2000 Miami Hurricanes, waited a few years until their average age was 24 or so, reconstituted them as an NFL team with NFL coaches, weight training, practices, etc, they would beat NFL teams.
I doubt I'm the only one that thinks this.
So you mean you take the 2000 Hurricanes team, in 2004, that using NFL schedule they could beat NFL Teams?
Could 24 year old Ken Dorsey of Miami beat 24 year old Ken Dorsey of San Francisco?
Because the 49ers were the worse team then.
That was not his original claim at all, of course.
He originally claimed that the 2000 Hurricanes could play in the NFL, straight up.
He added the "aging" bit later after he was mocked mercislessly, which is why it became such a meme/languish shorthand for idiocy.
Of course, even the 2004 Hurricanes would have had their clocked cleaned by any NFL team. Because you don't get to just have the 22 starters playing - you have to have backups as well. So take the top 50 players on the Hurricanes, and there are plenty there who are not starters in the NFL, or even IN the NFL at all. And the Ken Dorseys as well, who never made it as a starter in the NFL at all.
I think the Fighting Irish of '43 could compete in the NFL for about a half against the 2017 Cleveland Browns.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 01:55:23 PM
That was not his original claim at all, of course.
He originally claimed that the 2000 Hurricanes could play in the NFL, straight up.
I did no such thing. The 2000 hurricanes could not beat an NFL team straight up. I do not believe that now, and I never did.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 09, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 01:55:23 PM
That was not his original claim at all, of course.
He originally claimed that the 2000 Hurricanes could play in the NFL, straight up.
I did no such thing. The 2000 hurricanes could not beat an NFL team straight up. I do not believe that now, and I never did.
I don't know if you believed it, but you sure as hell said it, and hence the laughing at you over it.
Otherwise, the entire "...if you aged them" them thing wouldn't even be funny. It was such an obvious attempt on your part to get out of a idiotic statement you were unwilling to just say you were wrong about. The fact that years and years later you STILL cling to that is even funnier.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 01:55:23 PM
Of course, even the 2004 Hurricanes would have had their clocked cleaned by any NFL team. Because you don't get to just have the 22 starters playing - you have to have backups as well. So take the top 50 players on the Hurricanes, and there are plenty there who are not starters in the NFL, or even IN the NFL at all. And the Ken Dorseys as well, who never made it as a starter in the NFL at all.
And here is where you are wrong.
There are 85 players on scholarship on a college team. Every few years a team really starts cranking in terms of recruiting. Miami was like that ~2000, USC a few years later, and Alabama now.
I can't find the study, but someone looked at the percentage of players on a team that were rated 4 or 5 star in recruiting. It turned out that only about 10 teams in college football are over 50% in any given year, but that every national champion in the past few years has been one of the 10. This year, among the playoff teams, only Oklahoma was under 50%. UGA and Clemson were just over 50%.
Alabama is close to 90%.
If you have 85 guys on a team, almost all of whom were elite coming out of high school, and then by encouragement, or lack of playing time, the less able transfer and churn more quickly, you can stockpile talent in a way that even NFL teams struggle. Then if you only have to pick 50 or so guys for a hypothetical NFL team, you can pick only the most talented.
There were whispers that Clinton Portis turned pro early from Miami because he was about to lose his playing time to Frank Gore and Willis McGahee.
Quote from: Berkut on January 09, 2018, 02:10:11 PM
I don't know if you believed it, but you sure as hell said it, and hence the laughing at you over it.
Otherwise, the entire "...if you aged them" them thing wouldn't even be funny. It was such an obvious attempt on your part to get out of a idiotic statement you were unwilling to just say you were wrong about. The fact that years and years later you STILL cling to that is even funnier.
I never said it. I read through the thread when I decided not to delete it.
I was trolling at the start, trying to get dogpiled, with an eye toward getting people to listen to how ridiculously talented Miami was. I bragged that Miami had more talent than NFL teams. I thought I'd then justify that by pointing out that it was in fact the case, but I made the argument too soon - people couldn't appreciate how talented the guys were (for example, you refused to acknowledge Andre Johnson as a great NFL talent because you hadn't heard of him--he hadn't yet established himself in the pros).
Now that the aging joke has been explained to me... still not very funny. /shrug
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 09, 2018, 02:01:16 PM
I think the Fighting Irish of '43 could compete in the NFL for about a half against the 2017 Cleveland Browns.
If there were enough of them still alive to field a full NFL squad, they could probably beat the Browns.
Of course, the fallacy here is the idea that the current Cleveland Browns are an actual NFL team in anything but name.
Quote from: dps on January 09, 2018, 05:17:27 PM
If there were enough of them still alive to field a full NFL squad, they could probably beat the Browns.
Of course, the fallacy here is the idea that the current Cleveland Browns are an actual NFL team in anything but name.
What is amazing to me is that before the draft Brian Kelly, his college coach, came out and said that Kizer wasn't ready for the NFL, and called out that he needed to "grow off the field".
As a Notre Dame fan, I'm a bit worried about that. Recruits want to get into the NFL, and if a coach is publicly giving negative recommendations that isn't a reason to play for him. But nevertheless, that is a huge red flag for any organization--but the Browns still drafted him and he started a bunch of games his rookie year. Wtf Cleveland? Are you even trying?
You'd think that the Browns, of all teams, would be sensitive to that "grow off the field" bit after the Manziel debacle.
A lot of buzz about Ken Niumatalolo being the new Arizona coach. He is currently at Navy, has been their 10 years, where he has done rather well.
http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/football/photos-arizona-wildcats-coaching-candidate-ken-niumatalolo/collection_f34dab9e-f7c0-11e7-b375-ab491019d615.html#6 (http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/football/photos-arizona-wildcats-coaching-candidate-ken-niumatalolo/collection_f34dab9e-f7c0-11e7-b375-ab491019d615.html#6)
I'm not really wowed by this. He seems like a solid hire, not going to be a d-bag, but is he going to bring the option to Arizona or something?
Quote from: dps on January 10, 2018, 10:37:38 AM
You'd think that the Browns, of all teams, would be sensitive to that "grow off the field" bit after the Manziel debacle.
So, there's been a fair bit of Johnny Manziel in the news in Canada.
So, the CFL has something called the negotiation list. Each team has a certain number of US players on their list. If those players ever want to come to Canada they can only sign with that one team.
Johnny Manziel is on the Hamilton Tiger-Cats list.
The Ti-Cats are interested in signing Manziel, but apparently Manziel's agent is playing hardball. He even issued a public statement about the negotiations:
QuoteAs Hamilton has announced, and per the aforementioned restrictive rule requirements, they sent us a place-holder contract in order to maintain Johnny's rights and allow us adequate time to negotiate a deal. During our diligence process and at my request, Hamilton also graciously gave me permission to discuss potential trade options with at least one other club. Johnny and I met with those executives in Texas to discuss their organization and thoughts on Johnny's market and value around the CFL. However, due to Johnny's strong relationship with Coach Jones and Hamilton executive Kent Austin, we've made the decision to deal exclusively with Hamilton and give them until January 31st to work out a fair deal to make him their Quarterback. So that there will not be any ambiguity in regards to financial expectations, and so the public understands how seriously Johnny is considering this move, I will tell you that we believe 'fair deal' means on par with what Hamilton has paid their QB in recent years, despite not having much on-field success. If we cannot reach a deal with Hamilton by this date, we will turn our focus to several other professional options readily available to us."
:yeahright:
First why if any of this being made public? Second exactly how much leverage does Manziel think he has? Historically big-name NCAA QBs have flopped when they come to Canada. Andre Ware, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith. You have to go back to Doug Flutie to see them have any success.
And finally "other professional options readily available to us"? :yeahright: Whatever those options might be, they sure don't involve playing football.
Sources are saying that Niumatalolo was offered the job...
2000 Hurricanes couldn't even beat the Unviersity of Washington. How are they going to beat NFL teams?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 12, 2018, 02:50:15 PM
2000 Hurricanes couldn't even beat the Unviersity of Washington. How are they going to beat NFL teams?
Because a lot of the talent on the team was really young/on the bench.
Also, the average NFL career is only ~4 years...there are ~130 FBS schools, but NFL talent is heavily skewed to come from the top quarter of them. If you do the math, it shouldn't be surprising that a really extraordinarily talented college team is NFL caliber talent wise.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 12, 2018, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 12, 2018, 02:50:15 PM
2000 Hurricanes couldn't even beat the Unviersity of Washington. How are they going to beat NFL teams?
Because a lot of the talent on the team was really young/on the bench.
Also, the average NFL career is only ~4 years...there are ~130 FBS schools, but NFL talent is heavily skewed to come from the top quarter of them. If you do the math, it shouldn't be surprising that a really extraordinarily talented college team is NFL caliber talent wise.
Just because the NFL draws most of its players from the top college teams does not mean one of those college teams could compete in the NFL.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 04:14:03 PM
Just because the NFL draws most of its players from the top college teams does not mean one of those college teams could compete in the NFL.
Of course not. No one has said otherwise.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 12, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 04:14:03 PM
Just because the NFL draws most of its players from the top college teams does not mean one of those college teams could compete in the NFL.
Of course not. No one has said otherwise.
What did you mean when you said 'it shouldn't be surprising that a really extraordinarily talented college team is NFL caliber talent wise"
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 12, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 04:14:03 PM
Just because the NFL draws most of its players from the top college teams does not mean one of those college teams could compete in the NFL.
Of course not. No one has said otherwise.
What did you mean when you said 'it shouldn't be surprising that a really extraordinarily talented college team is NFL caliber talent wise"
It means that as a collection of players, a college team may be more talented.
For example, to bring this back to a sport you know about, if you assembled a basketball team of 5 year olds, each of whom would grow up to be NBA all stars and with a few hall of famers, you would have one of the most talented teams ever assembled. But it probably wouldn't be able to compete in a decent middle school league.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 12, 2018, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 12, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 04:14:03 PM
Just because the NFL draws most of its players from the top college teams does not mean one of those college teams could compete in the NFL.
Of course not. No one has said otherwise.
What did you mean when you said 'it shouldn't be surprising that a really extraordinarily talented college team is NFL caliber talent wise"
It means that as a collection of players, a college team may be more talented.
For example, to bring this back to a sport you know about, if you assembled a basketball team of 5 year olds, each of whom would grow up to be NBA all stars and with a few hall of famers, you would have one of the most talented teams ever assembled. But it probably wouldn't be able to compete in a decent middle school league.
Sure but that is never going to happen in either scenario
Basketball is actually a good example of why. Even with only 5 players on the court there is no one College team who would ever stack up against an NBA team. The matchup problem goes up significantly more when matching all the offensive, defensive and special teams players of a football team. Even if the college team produces a number of all stars there is still going to be considerable weaknesses the NFL team can exploit.
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
Sources are saying that Niumatalolo was offered the job...
Well that would be a helluva change of pace.
Cc that's where the aging comes in. Reassemble Phi Slamma jamma in the early 90s and you have a competitive team.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2018, 05:32:48 PM
Cc that's where the aging comes in. Reassemble Phi Slamma jamma in the early 90s and you have a competitive team.
I don't think so. Sure you get Clyde and the Dream, and a few other functional NBA Players. Can that team play a full NBA season with success - no chance. One game against a bad NBA team? Maybe if the matchups are right and the other team shoots really poorly. In basketball the better example is any team with Michael Jordan in his prime. But that just illustrates the problem with the football example - too many players needed.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 05:22:54 PM
Sure but that is never going to happen in either scenario
Basketball is actually a good example of why. Even with only 5 players on the court there is no one College team who would ever stack up against an NBA team. The matchup problem goes up significantly more when matching all the offensive, defensive and special teams players of a football team. Even if the college team produces a number of all stars there is still going to be considerable weaknesses the NFL team can exploit.
In the last 4 years, Alabama has had 32 players drafted, 8 in the first round. Some guys aren't there for 4 years of course (but then some are there for 5). There are 7 rounds in the NFL draft, so the average NFL team drafted 28 players, and 4 in the first round.
I'm not going to do the math, but I'd guess during the past few years there have been points in time that there were more people on Alabama that will get an NFL paycheck than is allowed to be on an NFL team.
There are also guys that transferred because of lack of playing time and ended up with bright NFL careers. For example, Alvin Kamara transferred from Alabama because he couldn't get on the field, and just finished his rookie season as an all pro and may be rookie of the year (so he isn't in the draft stats above, but would have been on the team a few years ago).
The major difference from basketball is that the average NFL career is absurdly short. The better players last longer, but by 30 people are really old at most positions. It is a factor that lowers the average talent of the NFL compared to college.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
I don't think so. Sure you get Clyde and the Dream, and a few other functional NBA Players. Can that team play a full NBA season with success - no chance. One game against a bad NBA team? Maybe if the matchups are right and the other team shoots really poorly. In basketball the better example is any team with Michael Jordan in his prime. But that just illustrates the problem with the football example - too many players needed.
I think basketball is harder:
1) Careers are a lot longer, which makes the talent gap from pro to college much larger,
2) There are a lot more competitive college programs in basketball. I'm checking rivals right now, and they have 22 committed 5 star players. 10 of them are to 2 schools, and 16 are to 5 schools.
3) While NBA careers can be long, college careers are very short for the best players. The NFL requires you to be out of high school 3 years, and based on the nature of the sport a lot of even good players stay in school longer (men need time in the weight room).
Quote from: alfred russel on January 12, 2018, 05:48:30 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 05:22:54 PM
Sure but that is never going to happen in either scenario
Basketball is actually a good example of why. Even with only 5 players on the court there is no one College team who would ever stack up against an NBA team. The matchup problem goes up significantly more when matching all the offensive, defensive and special teams players of a football team. Even if the college team produces a number of all stars there is still going to be considerable weaknesses the NFL team can exploit.
In the last 4 years, Alabama has had 32 players drafted, 8 in the first round. Some guys aren't there for 4 years of course (but then some are there for 5). There are 7 rounds in the NFL draft, so the average NFL team drafted 28 players, and 4 in the first round.
I'm not going to do the math, but I'd guess during the past few years there have been points in time that there were more people on Alabama that will get an NFL paycheck than is allowed to be on an NFL team.
There are also guys that transferred because of lack of playing time and ended up with bright NFL careers. For example, Alvin Kamara transferred from Alabama because he couldn't get on the field, and just finished his rookie season as an all pro and may be rookie of the year (so he isn't in the draft stats above, but would have been on the team a few years ago).
The major difference from basketball is that the average NFL career is absurdly short. The better players last longer, but by 30 people are really old at most positions. It is a factor that lowers the average talent of the NFL compared to college.
I thought you were talking about a particular college team (ie from a particular year). If you go through all the players who have ever played for a particular program and cheery pick all the best players from the decades the program has existed, playing in their professional prime, then that might be possible.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 06:03:32 PM
I thought you were talking about a particular college team (ie from a particular year). If you go through all the players who have ever played for a particular program and cheery pick all the best players from the decades the program has existed, playing in their professional prime, then that might be possible.
That might be possible???? That would definitely be possible.
That is also not what I was talking about. All that talent that I was mentioning for Alabama? That was there at one time!*
Not really though - if you take the 2013 team, that would have been drafted from 2014-2017 assuming a 4 year career, some guys leave in 3, but some would be around for 5 or even 6. Some guys that were on the 2013 team like Alvin Kamara transferred out but still became NFL stars.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2018, 05:32:48 PM
Cc that's where the aging comes in. Reassemble Phi Slamma jamma in the early 90s and you have a competitive team.
I don't think so. Sure you get Clyde and the Dream, and a few other functional NBA Players. Can that team play a full NBA season with success - no chance. One game against a bad NBA team? Maybe if the matchups are right and the other team shoots really poorly. In basketball the better example is any team with Michael Jordan in his prime. But that just illustrates the problem with the football example - too many players needed.
You forget Clyde and Hakeem won 2 championships with functional teammates.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 12, 2018, 05:48:30 PM
The major difference from basketball is that the average NFL career is absurdly short. The better players last longer, but by 30 people are really old at most positions. It is a factor that lowers the average talent of the NFL compared to college.
The reason that the average NFL career is so short is because the average is dragged down by all the guys who have very short careers because unless you were a top pick or play your way into a starting job, they can replace you after a year or so with someone just as good but cheaper. With the size of NFL rosters, there are plenty of guys who aren't starters and who weren't top picks, and the teams have very little invested in them. In the NBA, even most bench players were first-round picks, so teams have a good bit already invested in them and aren't going to be so quick to replace them unless the potential replacement is clearly better.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2018, 06:38:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 12, 2018, 05:32:48 PM
Cc that's where the aging comes in. Reassemble Phi Slamma jamma in the early 90s and you have a competitive team.
I don't think so. Sure you get Clyde and the Dream, and a few other functional NBA Players. Can that team play a full NBA season with success - no chance. One game against a bad NBA team? Maybe if the matchups are right and the other team shoots really poorly. In basketball the better example is any team with Michael Jordan in his prime. But that just illustrates the problem with the football example - too many players needed.
You forget Clyde and Hakeem won 2 championships with functional teammates.
Yeah, you raise a fair point.
Please. Robert Horry, Vernon Maxwell, and Kenny Smith were a bit more than just functional.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 12, 2018, 02:50:15 PM
2000 Hurricanes couldn't even beat the Unviersity of Washington.
Hey now!
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
Sources are saying that Niumatalolo was offered the job...
Sounds like your starting QB isn't too thrilled.
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
Sources are saying that Niumatalolo was offered the job...
I still haven't seen any confirmation that he's been offered the job.
Quote from: dps on January 13, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
Sources are saying that Niumatalolo was offered the job...
I still haven't seen any confirmation that he's been offered the job.
Yeah, nothing confirmed yet.
QuoteNavy's Ken Niumatalolo, who has a personal connection to Arizona's glory days, has emerged as the leading contender for the Wildcats' coaching job.
Niumatalolo has been offered the position, a source close to the situation told the Star. When asked if Niumatalolo was going to get the Arizona job, a separate source who has been privy to the negotiations said: "I would not be surprised."
Niumatalolo was unexpectedly absent from the Navy football offices Friday, but is expected to meet with his staff — which has been in the dark about his plans and recent whereabouts — on Saturday morning. Niumatalolo could be telling the staff goodbye, or it could be business as usual. Like many schools, Navy is set to host recruits this weekend.
http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/football/navy-s-ken-niumatalolo-appears-to-be-top-option-for/article_a9c52c44-9b24-53e3-9dd8-7b39039122a1.html
Odd...I mean, you have one of the best young quarterbacks in the country, and you want to hire a coach with an offensive background that has spent the past 15 years in the triple option...even if he isn't going to run the triple option at Arizona, he would be running a scheme that is totally new to him.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 13, 2018, 01:41:02 PM
Odd...I mean, you have one of the best young quarterbacks in the country, and you want to hire a coach with an offensive background that has spent the past 15 years in the triple option...even if he isn't going to run the triple option at Arizona, he would be running a scheme that is totally new to him.
Just hire a good offensive assistant coach?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2018, 01:53:32 PM
Just hire a good offensive assistant coach?
So the offensive assistant coach will install a system that the head coach hasn't worked with in at least 15 years.
That will free up the head coach to focus on recruiting. Which is going to be an issue when the coach is coming from 15 years of living in Annapolis, Maryland and doesn't have relationships with the high schools in Arizona.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 13, 2018, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2018, 01:53:32 PM
Just hire a good offensive assistant coach?
So the offensive assistant coach will install a system that the head coach hasn't worked with in at least 15 years.
Is there is a reason this is not possible?
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That will free up the head coach to focus on recruiting. Which is going to be an issue when the coach is coming from 15 years of living in Annapolis, Maryland and doesn't have relationships with the high schools in Arizona.
Is it important to hire a head coach that has previously recruited within the state or do teams have people who help identify the talent who should be recruited?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
Is there is a reason this is not possible?
It is definitely possible. It is just unusual.
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Is it important to hire a head coach that has previously recruited within the state or do teams have people who help identify the talent who should be recruited?
Yes, it is very important.
It is less about talent identification--obviously coaches have staffs to evaluate game tape and actually do some of the recruiting.
The problem is that high school coaches have a lot of influence where their players go. Personal relationships between college coaches and high school coaches is very important. If a high school coach is meeting with one of his players/family, and says, "These four schools that are recruiting you are all great. I know 3 of the coaches--they are great too. I've sent players to them and they were taken care of. I don't really know the 4th guy." That is an issue.
That can also be overcome by assistant coaches. Coaches move across the country with regularity - they typically hire a staff with local ties. But a problem is that he probably won't know a lot of the Arizona coaches he will need to hire.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 13, 2018, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2018, 01:53:32 PM
Just hire a good offensive assistant coach?
So the offensive assistant coach will install a system that the head coach hasn't worked with in at least 15 years.
Is there is a reason this is not possible?
The thing is, if your new head coach has a defensive background, you generally want him to hire a good offensive coordinator and let the OC run the offense, and it shouldn't be a big deal if it's an offense that the HC is used to or not. But in this case, we'd be dealing with a head coach whose background is on offense.
QuoteQuoteThat will free up the head coach to focus on recruiting. Which is going to be an issue when the coach is coming from 15 years of living in Annapolis, Maryland and doesn't have relationships with the high schools in Arizona.
Is it important to hire a head coach that has previously recruited within the state or do teams have people who help identify the talent who should be recruited?
What Dorsey said. Personal relationships with HS coaches can be important in recruiting.
Well he reconfirmed staying at Navy, so on to the next for Arizona.
Maybe if 6 or 7 other guys turn Arizona down, Tennessee fans will start feeling less bad about nobody wanting to coach the Volunteers.
Looks like Kevin Sumlin took the job after Niumatalolo decided he wanted to keep winning 65% of his games as an Academy coach, rather than try to swim on the Pac-12 pond.
Sumlin will certainly be in a better spot scheme-wise than Niumatalolo. Tate has to be pleased.
I hope Arizona gets Houston Kevin Sumlin and not A&M Kevin Sumlin.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/22125232/washington-state-qb-tyler-hilinski-found-dead-apparent-suicide-police-say
WTF?
Ive been arguing for a long time, through Stoops and Macosuck and Rodriguez, that Arizona will never reach and stay in the top third of the Pac-12 if they don't recruit better. The occasional Scooby Wright gem found amongth the 3 star recruits is great. A kick ass scheme is great. But at the end of the day, you cannot compete at the upper level if you cannot recruit at the upper levels, period. At least not consistently.
What is funny is that you can get into arguments with Arizona football fans who will argue that stars don't matter, it is all hype and bullshit, and a shitload of three start athletes is a fine recruiting class. Then those exact same fans will go over to the hoops board and crow about how awesome Miller for grabbing the latest set of 5 star recruits.
So every time there is a new coach, I ask - is he going to recruit better? Is he going to go after 4 star athletes as the core of his recruiting, rather than 3s hoping they might turn out to be 4s? Might he even go after a 5 here and there?
So back when Sumlin was coach of Texas A&M, he got a commitment from a 6-6 pocket passer QB to go to A&M, Grant Gunnell. Gunnell committed to A&M, and then of course Sumlin was fired. Gunnell is still committed to A&M< but Sumlin just offered his a scholarship at Arizona.
Whether he gets him to switch or not, I like the aggressiveness of the move. Sumlin is supposed to be a great recruiter, and very much dialed into the Texas scene.
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The Arizona Wildcats have given a scholarship offer to quarterback Grant Gunnell of Houston, an intriguing development on multiple fronts:
Gunnell, a four-star prospect for the class of 2019, is committed to Texas A&M. He committed to the Aggies in June 2017, when Kevin Sumlin was their coach.
Gunnell was recruited by Noel Mazzone then and has been offered by Mazzone now. Mazzone is expected to be named Arizona's offensive coordinator any day now. A staff announcement could happen as soon as today.
Gunnell is a 6-foot-6, pro-style quarterback. The Wildcats haven't been in the market for pro-style QBs since the Mike Stoops era.
If Sumlin and Mazzone plan to recruit pro-style quarterbacks, how will they cater their offense to Khalil Tate? And what does the future hold for Jamarye Joiner, another dual-threat quarterback who officially will join Arizona's 2018 class on Feb. 7?
Arizona also offered Gunnell's teammate, three-star receiver Chase Lane, who committed to Texas A&M on the same day as Gunnell.
I think any concerns about what going after a pocket passer means for Khalil Tate is pretty silly. Tate is an exceptional talent, and Sumlin isn't worth a sack of rocks if he cannot figure out how to exploit his legs while turning him into a much better passer, even if Tate is not a pocket passer in the pro style sense.
If I were a freshman dual threat QB coming into Arizona, I would be concerned.
SOmeone on reddit (so you know it must be true) is saying Sumlin will be the highest paid college football coach in history next year. $10.4 million for his buyout from A&M, and $2 million from Arizona puts him ahead of Sabans $11 million.
Of course, Saban with get that $11 million next year as well, but still. These buyouts are just ridiculous.
So, Michigan has apparently hired John "Shark Boy" McElwain as their new OC and WR coach, demoting last year's co-OCs to position coach status. Alas, the shark jokes will bite more now, for us fans.
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2018, 05:24:13 PM
So, Michigan has apparently hired John "Shark Boy" McElwain as their new OC and WR coach, demoting last year's co-OCs to position coach status. Alas, the shark jokes will bite more now, for us fans.
Jim McElwain? The guy who took Colorado State on their rise to mediocrity then jumped to Florida? Oh god.
The issue has never really been whether mclewin fucked that shark. The issues is, and has always been, that the allegations were so credible, that the Florida press office felt they needed to issue a formal press release denying that mcelwin has ever fucked a shark.
Think about that.
I think if he did fuck a shark he'd probably make a pretty badass football coach.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on February 15, 2018, 10:47:40 PM
I think if he did fuck a shark he'd probably make a pretty badass football coach.
Wouldn't it depend on whether he was the top or the bottom?
Quote from: Eddie Teach on February 15, 2018, 10:47:40 PM
I think if he did fuck a shark he'd probably make a pretty badass football coach.
If he fucked a large shark in the water, that would be pretty badass, but fucking one that was likely dead and laying in a boat is just messed up. Anyway, last season was a testament to the extent he is a badass coach.
Quote from: PDH on February 15, 2018, 07:08:29 PM
Jim McElwain? The guy who took Colorado State on their rise to mediocrity then jumped to Florida? Oh god.
Jim, of course, not John.
He is also the guy that took Alabama to the top. They went from 7-6 to 12-2 in his first year, and then won back-to-back national championships his second and third years. He knows offense. I have grave doubts about how his personality will fit in, though.